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jaephoenix:
There are other definitions of tangible there including the one that said any entity that can be appraised is tangible, but u ignored it. R u this stupid

Do you agree that It is a stupid definition (from a real point of view) : it only makes sense as a figure of speech.



What can be appraise as tangible:Grief!?

How do you measure the grade of tangibility?

jaephoenix:
Bro, please if you don't like dictionary definitions then don't bother using any dictionary at all. If you have beef with that definition, please write up Merriam Webster, Cambridge, Longman etc and explain to them that they are wrong
Thank you

Just like I don't like the modern definition of Gender, I don't like the modern definition of Atheism.


Atheism mean: Without Deity (except you disagree with this definition).

Then you may let us have your own preferred definition and let us dissect it.


Like I have halped you break down a common misconception that Atheism is Lack of Belief in Any Deity

What is your own definition?

jaephoenix:
There are many definitions for life, according to the MW Dictionary. But I'll assume u mean living. Now life/living is tangible. Why? Because it the culmination of breathing, having living cells working to keep you alive and prevent u from dying. And people that have this quality(live) are said to be alive and they do their regular everyday function because of this quality they possess, live. MW said any entity that can be appreciated is tangible.
So again, yes life is tangible

Life is that which animates any biological collection of cells.

How can life be Tangible if it does Not have mass, nor dimension nor energy?

How do you quantify it?

triplechoice:
What's your definition of spirit first? I need to know that so I know we're on the same page and know where to start from

I do NOT explain spirit/soul to atheists UNLESS they can comprehend basic physical real life concepts

TheBillyonaire:
I asked you to research on Pantheism and you are talking about Pantheneism? Are you alright?

Who told you that I don't know anything about Pantheism?
Did you just recently learn of this aspect of philosophy?

TheBillyonaire:
AGI can write programs and code softwares. So the idea that there must be a being behind every creation is both true and untrue therefore both theists and atheists are wrong.

Did the AI program create itself?
If it didn't, then how is it different from reproduction?
We are not the Creator yet we reproduce.

TheBillyonaire:
I hereby introduce you to Pantheism. Read about it and come back so I can guide you through. I have no time to argue with you.

Pantheniesm is a distortion of the Christian doctrine.
1. The Christian God is a Spirit and in Him everything seen and unseen consist
2. In Christianity, everything seen and unseen are interconnected and inderdependent on each other. For God made the rules that guide them all
3. The visible world came out of the invisible for space, time and matter must exist at exactly the same time.
4. God can also chose to enter into His creation.

1. The biggest weakness of Pantheism is that the visible universe have a beginning (approx 13.8 billion years ago).
2. The visible universe cannot spontaneously create itself

TheBillyonaire:
Evidence of Absence and Absence of Evidence is Intentional Obfuscation and therefore should be respected. If Divine Spirit willfully designs systems and processes that promotes its absence, then Atheism is the default principle that Supreme Spirit prefers possibly because Humans are not it's direct creation.

This looks like a good argument except that no one ever asked to see the Programmers of Microsoft Word or Microsoft Windows before the belive that Programmers are behind the software programs.

Thus, it is an unimportant point

TheBillyonaire:
Humans, contrary to popular religious assumptions were not created by Divine Spirit, Mankind was in the Organic blueprint based on evolution, but directed evolution by the Gods gives rise to Humans, so by assuming that human is not just an animal that is farmed for orgone energy, you are fooled by your sense of importance in the cosmological scheme.

This is just your opinion sir!

TheBillyonaire:
Man is not the top of the food chain. As man, you will not know much. But as spirit, you will figure this out. So both theists and atheist are wrong.

This is another opinion and you are entitled to it

triplechoice:
Still referring me to as an atheists shows you don't take your time to read me before
replying.

And the bolded is you trying to hide behind something very silly. Incompetent people are known for hiding behind that to hide their incompetency. It's a well known tactics, and you can't put me down with it.

There's nothing about spirit that's unknown, especially for someone like me. You're mystifying it because it's still a mystery to you. Everyone is not you and I'm certainly not you.

If you claim to know something and refuse to talk about it ,how can anyone know if you really know it?

A computer software and spirit are not the same kind of reality. And so saying that one needs to know the former before one can understand the later,is equally as illogical as declaring that if one can't make sense of levitating in a dream how can one make sense of flying a plane in the waking state.

There's no logicality in your thinking Mr computer software wizard. You're just blinded by your knowledge of softwares and can't see beyond that. That's all.

If you don't know the limitations of your knowledge, then you have a problem.

And to talk about chatGPT, shows that's exactly what you're doing to have something to say here. I don't do that. I'm not you

Tell me how you think the Spirit /Soul can be explained to an Atheist who think that any Reality that is not Tangible is FICTION?

Is a Spirit/Soul Tangible?

Emusan:
I'm interested in this particular question.

Watch all of them pretend that the Questions do not exist!

TheBillyonaire:
Evidence of Absence and Absence of Evidence is Intentional Obfuscation and therefore should be respected. If Divine Spirit willfully designs systems and processes that promotes its absence, then Atheism is the default principle that Supreme Spirit prefers possibly because Humans are not it's direct creation.

Humans, contrary to popular religious assumptions were not created by Divine Spirit, Mankind was in the Organic blueprint based on evolution, but directed evolution by the Gods gives rise to Humans, so by assuming that human is not just an animal that is farmed for orgone energy, you are fooled by your sense of importance in the cosmological scheme.

Man is not the top of the food chain. As man, you will not know much. But as spirit, you will figure this out. So both theists and atheist are wrong.

This is just your opinion and opinion has nothing to do with reality.

1. Do you understand the writeup above?
2. Do you dissagree with it or not?
Can you thus attempt the questions given?


The Efficldence of Non-Tangible existence is only known by its effect.

Questions :
1. Do you as Atheists now concur that REALITIES Exist that are NOT TANGIBLE?
2. Do you as Atheists now concur that demanding for direct physical proof of Non-Tangible Realities is borne out of Ignorance?
3. Do you as Atheists now concur that visible Effects of Non-Tangible Realities on other real objects is a fair (indirect) proof of its existence?
i.e. Like the effects of Microsoft OS or Application program on a Computer is sufficient reason to believe that a software is operating within the Computer!
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?

triplechoice:
You have more of insults to dish out to others than to teach what you claim to know very well.

Extending your expertise in computer softwares into areas you're not competent to speak on is overreaching yourself. Such behaviour is not something anyone should be proud of. It simply shows you don't know the limit of your knowledge. You can't be an expert in everything. That's why they say, nobody knows it all. You can't know it all.



Every knowledge has it's limitations and for that you cannot use your knowledge of computer software to interpret or explain what's spirit to make those not familiar with that reality understand it in the very limited way you do.

Since they haven't seen spirits themselves,their minds won't move past a computer software to understanding what it's. In other words, a computer software analogy becomes a barrier to understanding for such persons.



If you want to discuss spirit, then discuss spirit by first of all ,defining and explaining it after
which you look for something that compares to it in certain ways to make your description clearer to others . That's how to teach something correctly.


I announced at the beginning when I quoted you that I also subscribe to the idea of spirit,but our understanding of it is different .

But sadly enough, you didn't pay attention. You assume I'm an atheist and the next thing is name calling and insults directed at me . That's transferred aggression


Insults and name calling won't help you teach others anything,especially when they didn't insult you first . Instead it would prevent others from learning from you.

You really need to change your attitude. It's working against you.

Again, you are an Atheist whether you call yourself one or not.


Do you not subscribe to the god of self?

The you are an Atheist!

triplechoice:
You have more of insults to dish out to others than to teach what you claim to know very well.

Extending your expertise in computer softwares into areas you're not competent to speak on is overreaching yourself. Such behaviour is not something anyone should be proud of. It simply shows you don't know the limit of your knowledge. You can't be an expert in everything. That's why they say, nobody knows it all. You can't know it all.

Every knowledge has it's limitations and for that you cannot use your knowledge of computer software to interpret or explain what's spirit to make those not familiar with that reality understand it in the very limited way you do.

Since they haven't seen spirits themselves,their minds won't move past a computer software to understanding what it's. In other words, a computer software analogy becomes a barrier to understanding for such persons.


If you want to discuss spirit, then discuss spirit by first of all ,defining and explaining it after
which you look for something that compares to it in certain ways to make your description clearer to others . That's how to teach something correctly.

I announced at the beginning when I quoted you that I also subscribe to the idea of spirit,but our understanding of it is different .

But sadly enough, you didn't pay attention. You assume I'm an atheist and the next thing is name calling and insults directed at me . That's transferred aggression

Insults and name calling won't help you teach others anything,especially when they didn't insult you first . Instead it would prevent others from learning from you.

You really need to change your attitude. It's working against you.

I have not even discussed spirits one bit.

I have only focused on software and find that all you Atheists were grossly inadequate in knowledge. You could have asked Google or even ChatGPT for answers but you chose to wallow in your self delusions.

When your understanding of the what is known is sound, you are now prepared for understanding of what is unknown.

AbuTwins:
The more reason we say you guys are ignorant! The Kaaba remains a stone Allah attributed to Himself and the enlightened Christian believed the explanation.

This is your David bowing towards the Holy temple!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2

This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.

This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.


This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

And Daniel got on his kneels and prayed!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Ignorant hypocrites and liars!
Who told you we worship the stone from our texts?

Can you give me one place where anyone was Commanded to worship facing any direction?

Please what do you say of this

John 17:1:
"These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you:"

Is this a new commandment of where to face in prayers?

AbuTwins:
Christian A – Why do Muslims worship the Kaaba? Is that not idolatry? The Kaaba was know to be an Idol worship center so why do you chose it as a direction you face during prayer? Is Allah same as Hubal? Is Allah Baal? Is Allah the moon god?

Abu – You don’t need to ask all the questions at a go! I know you have preconceived opinions about Islam as regards all these so ask gently and one at a time. We can cover what we can today and continue another day. Be calm!

Christian A – Okay. Why do Muslims worship the Kaaba when Kaaba is neck deep in Idolatry? Let’s start from there!

Abu – That’s a good question. Where did you get the notion that Muslims worship the Kaaba from? Worship includes command, intention and then action of worship! Who commanded Muslims to worship the stone? Do think anyone has the intention to worship the stone at Kaaba?

Christian A – I see it. People who go to Mecca (for Pilgrimage) bow to the black stone. All Muslims too pray to the black stone. This is evidence they worship the black stone! That is idolatry!

Abu - Will you calm down please! This is not a fight! From the Muslim’s belief where do you think Allah is physically?

Christian A – Allah like God should be present everywhere!

Abu – That’s false! Allah says many times in the Qur’an that He rose over His throne which is above the seven heavens! Allah is only present everywhere by His Omniscient Knowledge.

Christian A – Okay so how is that related to you guys worshipping the Kaaba?

Abu – Muslims bow facing the Kaaba according to the command of Allah in the Qur’an. At the start of Islam the Muslims faced the temple in Jerusalem during prayers till Allah changed it.

Do you think they were earlier worshipping the temple in Jerusalem in idolatry?


Christian A – No! They wouldn’t worship the temple in Jerusalem. The Temple in Jerusalem was never used for idolatry like the Kaaba!

Abu – Did you see any idols being worshipped within the Kaaba?

Christian A – No, but there are hundreds of idols within it before.

Abu – The message of Islam is against Idolatry. I told you earlier that the Allah we worship is above the seven heavens. He is not the Black stone of the Kaaba. Do you agree Muslims worship Allah alone?

Christian A – Yes! But why bow to the stone and some kisses it? Why pray facing it?

Abu – We bow to worship Allah and we face the Kaaba based on Allah’s command in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Christian A – That is idolatry!

Abu – It is Biblical!

Christian A – How is it Biblical? Don’t start another heresy!

Abu – I told you earlier that Muslims were praying facing Jerusalem before which you agree is not idolatry! If you didn’t see any idols in the Kaaba how will you say it is idolatry?

Christian A – Okay, It is not proven that idols are in Kaaba today but it was in the past.

Abu: When the Muslims took over the Kaaba all the idols were destroyed! Initially, the foundation of the Kaaba was raised by Prophets Abraham and his son Ishmael! So we believe it was initially for the worship of Allah!

Christian A – Alright, I get that. So, the idolators took it from the descendants of Ishmael and used it for idolatry later.

Abu – Yes! So what remains of your worship of the Kaaba by Muslims?

Christian A – It is awkward to bow to stones in worship to Allah over the heavens!

Abu – But that is Biblical.
Here are the Biblical verses. I don’t quote the Qur’an since you are yet to believe in it with sincerity!

Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2

1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.

Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.

Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

Christian A Waoh! It’s like I have never read those verses before in the Bible. This is amazing!

Abu – Yes, but know that we only worship Allah has He has commanded through His final Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam)

Christian A Now I get it. The Kaaba is like the Sanctuary of Allah as mentioned in that Bible verse!

Abu Exactly! It is the House of Allah as Allah attributed it to Himself!

It is narrated in al-Bukhaari (1597) and Muslim (1270) that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) the second Caliph after the Prophet said of the Black Stone when he kissed it: “By Allaah, I know that you are only a stone and you can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Messenger of Allaah kissing you I would not have kissed you.” So when we Muslims pray facing the direction of the Ka’bah, we do so because Allaah has commanded us to do that. If he had commanded us to pray facing in any other direction, we would have had to do that.
I think we can continue some other time!
Are you now convinced that Muslims don’t worship the Kaaba?
Christian A – Yes. I will look for those verses you said myself where Muslims were facing Jerusalem before. I know Muslims worship Allah alone and they say Allah is just one!

Abu Yes, Allah is just one!

Christian A – Thank you for the patience!

Abu Bye! Let’s meet again!

You can check up the verses below later at your free time!

Always about one fictitious story after another. What is the real name of the Christian you interviewed?

The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption that Everything REAL Must be TANGIBLE

First Some Definitions:
1. Real:
Things that EXIST are REAL : things that do NOT Exist are Imaginary or Virtual!
e.g. Your image in the mirror is virtual!
2. Tangible:
Anything that has either Mass or Dimensions (Length, Area or Volume) or Energy which can interact with time either by change in position or change in state.

Anything that is tangible can be described in terms of either its mass or Dimensions or Energy?

Photons and Gluons are mass-less objects and they do not even have spatial dimensions but they have measurable Energies: thus they are Tangible objects

Note:
All REAL things that are not tangible can only be known by the Effect they produce on other things that exist.

Examples of Real things that are NOT Tangible include
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic
6. Magnetic Fields,
7. Electric Fields,
8. Gravitational Fields

Finally,
There is a Huge Difference between Real objects that are NOT Tangible and the Medium by which their Existence can be monitored.
Every Non-Tangible REALITY can only be detected INDIRECTLY by the Effect they have on suitable mediums.


If you don't have problem of comprehending knowledge,
Answers to Questions from my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does this prove it doesn't exist?
Answer: NO!
Examples abound Like Life, Logic, Software, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Knowledge, Information etc

2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
Answer: Softwares within a machine are very real REAL

3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" DIRECTLY by any physical means?
Answer: NO! There is no physical means by which a software can be measured or quantified. Detection or Quantification can only be done Indirectly with Another Software.

4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
Answer: It is actually IGNORANCE that will make a person INSIST on physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist.

5. Tell me, how can one DIRECTLY prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?
Answer: It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to prove directly the existence of a software within the CPU or HDD or RAM of a computer without the use of another software.


Questions :
1. Do you as Atheists now concur that REALITIES Exist that are NOT TANGIBLE?
2. Do you as Atheists now concur that demanding for direct physical proof of Non-Tangible Realities is borne out of Ignorance?
3. Do you as Atheists now concur that visible Effects of Non-Tangible Realities on other real objects is a fair (indirect) proof of its existence?
i.e. Like the effects of Microsoft OS or Application program on a Computer is sufficient reason to believe that a software is operating within the Computer!
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?





LordReed, Budaatum, triplechoice, KnownUnknown, Jaephoenix, HopefulLandlord, Everyday247, Seun,

budaatum:
In the context of this thread, which is spirits, those things mentioned are very tangible indeed is what you miss. Even My Lord who argued with me that tangible things must be touchable, and whom I assume might claim life is not touchable, might concede that life is tangible compared.

Go on. Ask all those atheists if spirits are tangible or not. Though now that we've got to the insulting stage, that bridge might have burned. Even as a figure of speech, I'd expect none to agree.

Not every tangible things are touchable (even though this is a general definition). A more precise definition would be that Tangible things are anything that has mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time.

This definition takes care of even subatomic particles. This mean that ANYTHING that can be quantified DIRECTLY in terms of Energy, Mass, Dimension or change of position or state with time

Magnetic Fields, Electric Fields, Gravitational Fields are all NOT Tangible even though they are real. They can only be detected indirectly through the EFFECTS they have on magnets,electric charges or mass. These all are examples of REALITIES that are not Tangible

triplechoice:
When you're done fooling yourself to entertain your fans, I hope you have the sense to focus on the op and stop derailing the thread with your deception.

I am glad you admit that through TenQ, your foolishness is entertaining your adversaries

budaatum:
Then I take back my comment, and apologise. And know that despite our differences, I do appreciate our conversation, until you began assuming I had no knowledge of that which I speak just because you don't have the code to decode it. It's a call to being an authority, which I know is done by those who don't have any authority at all, and just want to bully and gaslight others into submission.

No wahala. What are friends for as no human being is perfect

budaatum:
You should read it again in fact. I kept telling you that despite a computer calling a message in Hindi and sign language gibberish, that does not mean it is gibberish, but you could not see how it applies to us as individuals, that just because we are saying what the other disagrees with doesn't mean either of us are talking gibberish.

I think I got tired of you at a point because i assume I was speaking from the position of knowledge.
I do programming on Microcontrollers and in those days, I did a lot of C/Cpp, Python programming.

I believe I kept saying that you can only look at this from the Point of View of the Computer as It doesn't matter whether your strings of data or instruction is meaningful or not, what matters is whether the target computer can decode the information. If it cannot decode the information, such becomes just irrelevant noise irrespective of whetht it is
meaningful information or not.

I used the example of the fact that you cant run a Windows Program on an Android or A Mac directly because even though, these are proper programs the target machine cannot interpret the sting of instructions as it sees it as random noise.

The only way out is to first Run a Windows EMULATOR program on either the Android or Mac Computer before installing the Windows program on the Emulator. The Emulator is now behaving like a language translator between the Windows program and the Android or Mac.

The other issue was with the SOFTWARE in MEMORY of the Machine. If the Software is not in the Format Expected by the CPU, it sees it as pure NOISE. The CPU actually is a relay of dumb switches just switching according to the sequence of data it gets as instructions and values. The CPU doesn't even know what it is doing because it is controlled by another set of software programmed directly into the Hardware. The BIOS of your computer is such a program written in the ROM of the computer.

Thus, within the Memory of a Computer data is useful only if it comes in a meaningful sequence to the CPU otherwise, whatever is stored is not different from either noise or junks. Thus, the software in a machine cannot be quantified physically. You need the assistance of another software to check if the sequence of data matches the expected format and then the information can then be counted in Bytes and more.

When you wipe off the memory of your hard disk, what is done is simply to make random the sequence of data on the hard drive. Once the CPU cannot read the expected sequence and the partition data are okay, the CPU assumes that the HDD is empty. But in reality, it is NOT empty, the data was just randomized. This is why it is NOT wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist!

Anyone who knows a little of hardware programming will not argue like all of you were arguing.
It would have made sense if you asked an expert offline.
His wisdom could now be yours.

Alas, disappointment is an understatement for me to see that no one even slowed down one bit to check out my questions: Consulting the mundane ChatGPT could have solved this problem.

budaatum:
I really enjoyed our conversation. It's not the first time neither that we've done this, if you remember, and if I were to lay out my heart I'd say I love you for it. I wouldn't have spent so much time if you didn't have the brain for it, and that's rather rare here especially amongst those who just want to shove some intangible god down one's throat.

I also enjoy conversing with you because I can see that behind the keyboard is a mature mind. I think your major problem however is your little background in the physical sciences and mathematics. When I debate Atheists, I don't use the bible, I use mainly Science, Logic, Deductions and Analogies. When I debate Muslims, I use their Quran, Hadith, Tafsirs and Sira. When I debate Christians, I use the Bible and Bible History

Have a beautiful night rest

budaatum:
The post was directed at atheists, which many would presume I am. And besides, it's not as if you haven't directly insulted me too.

Perhaps don't be so general next time.

It was directed to the response of a particular fellow who arrogantly displayed his folly: and he was put in his place.

When last did you see me call you any derogatory name?

I hardly, and that is because you hardly call people by derogatory names

triplechoice:
When you're done fooling yourself to entertain your fans, I hope you have the sense to focus on the op and stop derailing the thread with your deception.

See how quiet you have all been: deluded people full of self importance.

Shame has driven you inside except for the permanent dummies

triplechoice:
I will read it once you tell me that you have started taking the medications to boost your very low 1Q that's making you to churn out nonsense conclusions.

You have been Battered beyond restoration!
This is why I dont have time for atheists: very shallow but pompous human beings

triplechoice:
But I'm not atheist.

You probably dont know who an atheist is

Perhaps you may want to read more from what I wrote your friend:

TenQ:
Don't take me to the Atheists' DUMB definition of "Lacking a Belief in any Deity"!



The ONLY creatures who can TRULY lack a belief in any Deity are
1. Animals: For they lack the ability to comprehend the abstract nature of the definition of a deity
2. Babies: Due to immaturity of mind, they cannot even take any rational position about any deity
3. Imb.eciles: Just like babies cannot take any rational position about deities

Which of these three camps do you fall in with your LACK of BELIEF?


Lacking a Belief in an subject means:
You do not have ANY position for or against the subject.

Belief:
A Belief is a position we take when we do NOT have sufficient information to be 100% CERTAIN about a subject.

Examples of possible Beliefs
-Russia will win the war over Ukraine
-Third World war is inevitable within the next two years
-By Next month, $1.00 will be less than N600.00

What a rational person does before he takes a person of Belief is that he weighs PROBABILITY according to his judgment from available information he has if his position is worth holding or not.


The ONLY reason you bother to spend time on the Religious section of Nairaland is that you believe you have enough justification to DISCARD the Deity of the Christians and others!


Of course you don't think nor reason but swallow anything and everything godless people give to you as facts without question.
Sorry: How can Dawkins be wrong?

StillDtruth:
"Grief is tangible". Hahahahahahahahaha

O atheists have become very entertaining these days! o my chest!

Aemmyjah:
Why I tagged the Three atheists is for them to show us their super wisdom folly
They are even disputing on what is tangible like sounds and patent

One person who calls himself a doctor makes it worse saying that grief is tangible... Not surprised since it's the same person that said women don't experience pain during labor... A doctor indeed

Don't mind the clowns!

They carry an air of superior knowledge not knowing that they are mentally sick and are devoid of any sound knowledge.

It's the same disease that is confusing Educated Adults about gender differences in people.

jaephoenix:
Illitterate how many definitions did you see there?
Must tangibility have physical features

Alright: for the first time I will ask on this thread

Because As a Medical Doctor, you say: "Must tangibility have physical features!?"
IS LIFE TANGIBLE?
How do you know?

jaephoenix:
And tovmake matters worse, u don't even know who an atheist is. Wonderful

Don't take me to the Atheists' DUMB definition of "Lacking a Belief in any Deity"!



The ONLY creatures who can TRULY lack a belief in any Deity are
1. Animals: For they lack the ability to comprehend the abstract nature of the definition of a deity
2. Babies: Due to immaturity of mind, they cannot even take any rational position about any deity
3. Imb.eciles: Just like babies cannot take any rational position about deities

Which of these three camps do you fall in with your LACK of BELIEF?


Lacking a Belief in an subject means:
You do not have ANY position for or against the subject.

Belief:
A Belief is a position we take when we do NOT have sufficient information to be 100% CERTAIN about a subject.

Examples of possible Beliefs
-Russia will win the war over Ukraine
-Third World war is inevitable within the next two years
-By Next month, $1.00 will be less than N600.00

What a rational person does before he takes a person of Belief is that he weighs PROBABILITY according to his judgment from available information he has if his position is worth holding or not.


The ONLY reason you bother to spend time on the Religious section of Nairaland is that you believe you have enough justification to DISCARD the Deity of the Christians and others!


Of course you don't think nor reason but swallow anything and everything godless people give to you as facts without question.
Sorry: How can Dawkins be wrong?

jaephoenix:
Are you sure u r even literate?
It was clearly written in the definition that there are many instances of tangibility. There are up to 3 or 4 definitions but u chose only one definition and decided to run with it
Please get an education

When a person doesn't know what is a figure of speech and he thinks it is science

Can you measure your Grief?
Tell me, According to Webster dictionary, how many kilograms of Griefs is in your head?


What is the unit of measurement of Grief?

What is the tangibility in Grief?

jaephoenix:
Illitterate how many definitions did you see there?
Must tangibility have physical features

I have challenged you:
I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?

Only a Dumb Coward will run away from answering the question!

gaskiyamagana:
Confused mind out of misleading and mischievous motive to make Quran the same as Bible of fallacy, fiction,false and fabrication origin as confirmed in Jeremiah 8:8.

We can call it a day: At least I see that answers to my questions are embarrassing to you.
Have a nice day my friend, not hard feelings.

I don't hate you nor do I dislike you. But I cannot hold my peace to see sincere people mislead by satan to Hell.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life and it is certainly NOT Islam nor Mohamed, nor Allah the God of Mohammed.
Proverbs 14:12-16
There is a way that looks right to a man, but the end is destruction!

What is so special with the Messiah?

Have a nice day sir

Atheists of Nairaland have all come to a conclusion that the following are tangible realities
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic

There was even one clown who says that Grief is tangible. His evidence is that Webster definition says
/Her Grief was tangible and he seem not to know that it is a figure of speech.


Who will deliver them from this Ignorance Induced shamelessness?

Cc:
Budaatum LordReed jaephoenix triplechoice

jaephoenix:
So you mean you are more intelligent than Merriam-Webster? Please answer this, dullard

I made a challenge :

Give me the unit of measurement of Grief!

LordReed:
You really should go back to kindergarten so that they'll show you using number blocks. With that your block head you need it. Bwahahahahaha!

Number block is the proof of mathematics!?

Don't you have shame!?


See how all of you are behaving like children caught in a lie!?

jaephoenix:
Mumu, where is the figure of speech usage here? U don't know logic, or even English. Any concept that has an approximate value is tangible. Figure of speech, my ass

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value

The village clown is still quoting what he doesn't understand.

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?


To Mr Atheist :
"I've told you a million times!" means exactly that I told you 1,000,000 times.

"His eyes drank in the beauty of the scene." mean that one can drink with the eyes.

"I could eat a horse!" meaning, I could literally eat a full grown horse.

"The backpack weighed a ton." meaning that one the weighing scale it's weight was one tonne


Again:
Grief is tangible according to Webster Dictionary

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?

You are the official clown of the community of atheists if you don't give me the unit of measurement of Grief!