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LegalWolf:
Hey folks Fxmasterz sirtee15 and the future thief TenQ

It appears I struck a nerve yesterday as I saw my mention blowing up… good thing. Now let’s have a structured conversation. So all your claims is still tied to the city of Samaria etc.

Now I have a question for you: what is the meaning of Samaritan?

Please no too much truanchi… just quick answer

Why? :Your deliberate doctoring of truths were through the roof yesterday. I had over 17 mentions from this conversation as of yesterday night.

A Samaritan is an individual who is a citizen or a native of Samaria.
EXACTLY LIKE
A Nigerian is an individual who is a citizen or a native of Nigeria, a country located in West Africa.


The Arabic word Samaritan is As-Samari(السامري) or Al-Samari(السامري): meaning or refering in Arabic to a person or belonging to the Samaritan community

I have answered your question, please respond to my questions


1. Is it true that the Samaritans by their tradition claim descent from the tribe Ephraim and Manasseh from the Northern ancient kingdom of Israel?

2. What does Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian of the first century say about the origin of the Samaritans?

3. According to the Samaritan sources, who founded the city of Samaria and gave it a name?

FxMasterz:
You're trying to dodge a fatal bullet. I can bring it closer so that you'll have no place to hide.

The time the term Samaritan came into existence is the most important part of this argument because that's the only thing that can validate or invalidate Mohammed's story.

It was Omri who coined the word 'Samaria' when he named a place after the previous owner of the place 'Shemer'. The Samaritans themselves agree that that Omri founded Samaria.

Now, let's agree that Samaritans existed before Omri but then, they were never referred to as Samaritans until that area became their abode. They started answering to the name Samaritan only after Omri called their land Samaria.

Let's agree that an ancestor of the Samaritans was with Moses when they were coming from Egypt. He would never have borne the name 'Samaritan' until the nation of Israel had been founded and a settlement called Samaria has been given to him.

How come Moses referred to a person as Samaritan even when Israel was yet to become a nation, let alone carving out a settlement called Samaria? This is even more problematic as the Samaritans themselves, according to their tradition confirmed that they're descended from northern Israel. There was no northern or southern Israel in Moses days.

One good thing is that LegalWolf has read a lot from the history of the Samaritans by the Samaritans to see that even according to the history of the Samaritans by themselves, Allah and Mohammed goofed big time.

He has seen beyond all reasonable doubt that the author of the Quran cannot be divine but by a fallible human being like you and me. Simply because an Almighty must know that the Samaritans NEVER existed at the time of Moses. The Samaritans claimed descent from the tribe of Manasseh and Ephraim both from Joseph at the time of Omri the first king (which he thankfully admitted).
Just as LegalWolf is not from the garden of Eden in paradise,
Uthman Dan Fodio cannot be called a Nigerian
Oduduwacannot be called a Nigeria
Ogunde, Baba Salam and Dur Ladipo would never have been in Nollywood!

His conscience disturbs him right now! Allah made a goof that has to be repaired with NEW Lies!


Irrespective, whoeverywrote the Qur'an is a Liar or an IGNORAMUS!

Qur'an 20:85-86, 95
85. (Allah) said: “Verily! We have tried your people in your absence, and As-Samiri (the Samaritan) has led them astray.”
86. Then Moses went back unto his folk, angry and sad. He said: O my people! Hath not your Lord promised you a fair promise? Did the time appointed then appear too long for you, or did ye wish that wrath from your Lord should come upon you, that ye broke tryst with me?
87. They said: "We broke not the promise to thee, as far as lay in our power: but we were made to carry the weight of the ornaments of the (whole) people, and we threw them (into the fire), and that was what the As-Samiri (the Samaritan) suggested.
88. "Then he brought out (of the fire) before the (people) the image of a calf: It seemed to low: so they said: This is your god, and the god of Moses, but (Moses) has forgotten!"
95. (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri (Samaritan)?"

LegalWolf,
I will ask you two elementary questions :



1. Is it true that at the time Uthman Dan Fodio was born and grew up in Gobir, Nigeria did NOT exist?
2. Can Uthman Dan Fodio be rightfully then be called a Nigerian?


Let's see how you'll speak lies in answering the questions.

SIRTee15:
The big issue u dodging is did the Samaritans call themselves Samaritans during the times of Moses and Aaron.
Yes their history dates back to Moses and beyond that all the way to Abraham.
But when did they start calling themselves Samaritans.
That's the question we want u to answer.

LegalWolf's history dates back to Adam and Eve. He is thus from Paradise of Eden!

LegalWolf:
Please shut the Bleep up and give me the concrete evidence. Haven't I referred you to a post of Samaritans to you? Ehn future thief?

You give the evidence, Liar!


According to the Samaritans, what was the origin of the Religion Samaritanism?


The Truth is bitter as you wouldn't answer this question

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ and FxMasterz

I posed a question that you two failed to answer. FxMasterz agrees with the Samaritan version of their history . In view of the fact that Samaritans claim their priesthood dates back to Aaron, the brother of Moses , how do you reconcile it with your position that they do not exist until time of Omri?

cc: Fxmasterz sirtee15 and our only future thief TenQ

I am asking you questions of the Samaritan version of their history you refused to answer.

Question :
Do you LegalWolf believe the Samaritan's version of their history?
If you do, the three of us will adopt it with evidence from their sources. And we'll confirm if their claim is true with respect to the other claims they made about themselves

Is this a fair deal?


The liar will say no!

LegalWolf:
Very good, let us dissect your point.



How does this point detract from what I have been saying?



Like, what exactly are you trying to say ehn future thief

Just dissect the points by answering the question Liar! At least, I provided evidences from two non-Biblical sources.

LIAR OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, present your evidences as you Answer the three questions


1. Where is your evidence that Samaria existed before the first king Omri?
2. According to the Samaritans, they originated from Ancient Israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

Is the above also a Fraud? It is not from the Bible o
3. Do the Samaritans claim descent from Ephraim and Manasseh or NOT?

STOP being a Lying clown and answer the questions

LegalWolf:
LOL! look at this future thief So you expect me to agree with ChatCGP because?

No sir!
You don't have to agree with ChatGPT, you only need to bring a source from the history of the Samaritans themselves that deny that Omri did not found Samaria from where the name of the people became Samaritan!

And I CHALLENGE you to present any evidence from the Samaritan history that deny that.

Your lying seems beyond redemption except you can present this evidence

FxMasterz:
My brother, I would agree with him even to the extent that the Samaritans have a history of priesthood dating back to the time of Aaron as he said. He himself would shudder at the loopholes in his position.

But they don't!

Samaritans trace their origin and history to Ephraim and Manasseh!

He wants to extend the history of the Samaritans to the time of Moses so that he can justify why the Samaritan man made the golden calf for the isrealites. Don't fall for it unless he can show a proof from the Samaritans themselves

LegalWolf:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!



You still fail to grasp a position that is clearly contradictory to your bible. What is my business with Samaria? I am talking about Samaritans , who are adherents of Samaritanism as a religion. The religion of samaritanism has no nexus with Samaria as a city... Do you understand it to that point?

Unless you can show that Omri was the first king of the Samaritan , then you have no point. Remember that you have acknowledged the Samaritans history of themselves that their history date back to Moses. So what exactly is your argument??

cc: FxMasterz and the future thief Tenq sirtee15

According to the Samaritans, what was the origin of the Religion Samaritanism?


Liar!
And you are not even ashamed?!?

Let's assume chatGPT is wrong, give is evidence of the origin of the religion Samaritanism?

FxMasterz:
Since you agree that Omri was their first king, then we can talk.

Omri was the one who founded Samaria. Before Omri, there was no such place called Samaria. As I said earlier, Samaria is the name of a place. The people who live in the place are called Samaritans the same way people who live in Lagos are called Lagosians. The term 'Lagosian' does not apply to any tribe. You're a Lagosian simply because you reside in Lagos. That's the situation with the Samaritans. The term does not apply to a tribe residents on a location. Shemer, who owned the mountain area which was bought by Omri, and whose name was used to describe the area as Samaria wasn't a biological progenitor of the people who live in the area. The same way the founder of Lagos isn't the father of Lagosians.

If you're in tune with the position above, then let's move to the next stage.

He would still twist and turn as LegalWolf is a CONFIRMED LIAR.


Everything about the Samaritans and Samaria points to Omri

FxMasterz:
Since you agree that Omri was their first king, then we can talk.

Omri was the one who founded Samaria. Before Omri, there was no such place called Samaria. As I said earlier, Samaria is the name of a place. The people who live in the place are called Samaritans the same way people who live in Lagos are called Lagosians. The term 'Lagosian' does not apply to any tribe. You're a Lagosian simply because you reside in Lagos. That's the situation with the Samaritans. The term does not apply to a tribe residents on a location. Shemer, who owned the mountain area which was bought by Omri, and whose name was used to describe the area as Samaria wasn't a biological progenitor of the people who live in the area. The same way the founder of Lagos isn't the father of Lagosians.

If you're in tune with the position above, then let's move to the next stage.

LegalWolf is a CONFIRMED big Liar!

He rejoices in Lies that is why he refuses to answer questions. Anytime he does answer questions, his lies are exposed

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz

Let’s clear this: the Question of the first King of Samaria is completely different from the King of Samaritans. Don’t confuse issues.

That Omri is the first king of Samaria is a statement that I’m unwilling to debate. But the first king of the Samaritans is a non-existent statement. And that’s why I said I don’t know and I don’t care to know because it does not exist!!!!

These folks never had a kingdom but priesthood all their history and according to them, their priesthood relates to the time of Aaron until today! I think I’ve given you reference for it, but would you learn?

Please go and call your teachers and let’s talk. Lol.

Cc: Future thief TenQ

Reference!

LegalWolf, you are a confirmed FRAUD!
As if I should slap you from where I am!

Khai!

1. Where is your evidence that Samaria existed before the first king Omri?



Samaritans (/səˈmærɪtənz/; Samaritan Hebrew: ࠔࠠࠌࠝࠓࠩࠉࠌ‎, romanized: Šā̊merīm, transl. Guardians/Keepers [of the Torah]; Hebrew: שומרונים, romanized: Šōmrōnīm; Arabic: السامريون, romanized: as-Sāmiriyyūn) are an ethnoreligious group who originate from the ancient Israelites.

Samaritan tradition claims the group descends from the northern Israelite tribes who were not deported by the Neo-Assyrian Empire after the destruction of the Kingdom of Israel.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

2. Is the above also a Fraud? It is not from the Bible o


LIAR OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
3. Do the Samaritans claim descent from Ephraim and Manasseh or NOT?


The liar will certainly NOT answer these 3 questions.

LegalWolf:
Lol, can you consider me worthy opponent? You that ALL you knew about Samaritan history is what is contained in the fraudulent Bible have the audacity to tell me if I’m a worthy opponent?

And what’s the business of the Samaritans with the king/dom of Samaria ? Did the Samaritans as an ethnic-religious group ever have a kingdom? Or did they claim that they’re descendants of Samaria?

Lol!

Cc: Potential thief TenQ

FxMasterz,
This time waster refuses your main evidence as he considers it fraudulent!

Does he have any evidence?
If he does, let him state it and answer the extremely simple question.


According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?


As a fool, he can't give you the answer as he has to feign ignorance to continue with his noise making!

The question is extremely simple!


Otherwise, let him answer the question

What is the Origin of the Samaritans according to their own history with date?

He would tell LIES as usual, therefore a reference is required!

He is cornered and he knows it: hence he is becoming tongue tied over a simple question!

FxMasterz:
My friend, I'll like to have the said Samaritan history that predates Moses. A cursory reference to the story would do.

In another vein, I feel like asking you that, since you do not have knowledge of such basics as the first king of the Samaritans, can I consider you a worthy opponent in this argument? I need all the knowledge you have on the matter because I'll be punching very hard on the topic. I wouldn't want to take advantage of someone who knows nothing.

Dear FxMasterz,
Shouldn't this time waster just answer the simple Question?
*Does he accept the Biblical Narrative? NO!
*Do you have a narrative to give him apart from Jewish history and Biblical narratives where you have quoted ? NO!

Then Onus is on the FOOL who has his basis of argument with the history of the Samaritans themselves to state what the Samaritans believe!


According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?


He will dodge you to kingdom COME. He has Zero knowledge of the Samaritans!

[quote author=LegalWolf post=124275426][/quote]When a person lives by Forging other people's document!


Keep on doing your job please

gaskiyamagana:
"How can we say we are wise, when the pen of the scribes had turns Word of God into LIE."
JEREMIAH 8:8. QUOTE ONE VERSE LIKE THIS FROM QUR'AN THAT CAST DOUBT ON ITS AUTHENTICITY LIKE JEREMIAH 8:8 ON THE BIBLE that is your true standard of identify or arguing about your so called lie.

What are you even angry about on this thread? What have I said that is NOT according to islamic injunctions?


I will post it again here:


When a Prophet Disregards the Law of his God


Prophet Mohammed by Islamic Narrative is the best Muslim and yet he seems to be above the rules of Islam.
Let me not bore you with the Special Privileges Mohammed claimed that Allah gave him alone alone but not to any other Muslim. We shall look at the Islamic Rule for Divorce and Reconciliation in Islam

Let us look at the Law of Divorce in Islam

1. If a man utters to his wife thrice the phrase "I divorce you". The divorce is considered FINAL and even if the man was Drunk or unreasonably Angry or Deceived to utter those words, the wife is considered divorced (even if she wasn't guilty of any offence).
2. According to the Law of Allah, this divorced woman can only return back to her husband AFTER she married another person AND gets her orgasm from the new husband.
3. If this new (second husband) is impotent, this wife is trapped forever in a sensless marriage provoked by the sensless divorce pronounced by the husband.

Let's Imagine that the Husband of this Loving, Responsible and Religious wife comes to his senses and the rashly divorced Wife still loves her husband and most importantly doesn't want to leave her children alone. The Law is clear:
Marry Another Man AND receive Orgasm before she can return to her husband and children.

The Question is:
Mohammed divorced at least TWO or THREE of his Wives but we shall look only at one from the lot of Bint al-Jawn, Umm Sharīk and Hafsah b Umar.


Enter Mrs Hafsa Qutham Mohammed
She was divorced in Finality by Mohammed because she couldn't keep a secret (Qur'an 66:1-5)
Mohammed had to take her back after he changed his mind. However, there was no single record that Hafsa married anyone not to talk of receiving sexual orgasm from such a man.

Note: Mohammed actually made a decree that even after his death, no one was permitted to marry his widows.

Questions :
1. Why is it that Mohammed is the only prophet above the laws of his God?
2a. Why is the Islamic law of Divorce and Remarriage hostile to a dutiful and loving Muslim Wife who was rashly divorced by her husband?
b. Why must it be the wife that must pay for the stupidity of her husband by marrying a husband she doesn't want so that she can return to her husband and children?
3. What is the logic and common sense in this law of Divorce and Reconciliation?


Mr gaskiyamagana,
Apart from my Questions,
What have I said that is NOT according to the teachings of Islam?

LegalWolf:
Hahahaha future thief oooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

FxMasterz come let’s talk when you’re ready jhare

Cc: future thief TenQ FxMasterz sirtee15

Again,
You've done your job for today

If you DON'T know and you DON'T care about such a basic knowledge of the Samaritans, you've proved only to be a NOISEMAKER and IGNORAMUS wasting the time of everyone!

Case is closed.

You are dismissed!

LegalWolf:
Future thief talking about truth.... Is this a joke to you?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Only a FOOL argues about a matter in which he doesn't have the foundational basics of.

You are dismissed!

LegalWolf:
I love your tears 😭 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Let me make further edits



🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are a confirmed NOISEMAKER!

The Truth Hurts and I understand why you shamelessly leave the issue for name calling!

Sorry?

LegalWolf:
So what’s the Moses/Samaritan disagreement issue?

Modified: If you agree about the Samaritan history about themselves which predates moses, I think my argument is made. Now you've asked, from what I deduct from the future thief tenQ question that:

According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?

I do not know and I do not care to know. And could you tell me how that detracts from the basis of my argument?

cc: Future thief TenQ FxMasterz Sirtee15 advocatejare

Only a FOOL argues about a matter in which he doesn't have the foundational basics of.


If you DON'T know and you DON'T care about such a basic knowledge of the Samaritans, you've proved only to be a NOISEMAKER and IGNORAMUS wasting the time of everyone!

Case is closed.







Here is the topic you ran away from!


According to the Almighty Allah, If I murdered your slave, a just Retribution is when you also murder my slave!

Is this justice!?
Is this not human sacrifice?

Qur'an 2:178
"O you who have believed, prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered -
the free for the free,
the slave for the slave, and
the female for the female.
But whoever overlooks from his brother anything, then there should be a suitable follow-up and payment to him with good conduct. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. But whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment."

SIRTee15:
LegalWolf doesn't know anything about the Koran. That's why he avoids answering questions.
He doesn't want to be exposed as olodo who wasn't paying attention to Alfa during 'Ile keu' classes.
Only God knows where his mind was those period...

Even about the Samaritans, he's been proven to be IGNORANT!


Close the case and return him to the title of this Thread. He came to divert the blow away from his prophet who lies as a professional 419.

LegalWolf:
Hahahahah future thief oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I think I have edited your statement to make it more in alignment with your thoughts. So, let FxMasterz repeat the question and I will take it from there not you. Hahahahah

cc: Future thief TenQ sirtee15 fxmasterz

I won't join you in mud rolling.

Even Mohammed wouldn't dare utter such a blasphemy!
As Christians we don't murder those who blaspheme our God, it's either we show them the truth of their religion/Deity or we pray for them. Today, I'll do neither!

However, you have been Exposed as an ignorant person who delights in making noise to make cheap heaps of meaningless words.


The question for the last time (as you know the history of the Samaritans better than all who you've engaged in this thread) is:


Mr LegalWolf,
According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?


Only a confirmed fool will be arguing vehemently about a subject without knowing even the basics of the subject.


Waiting!

LegalWolf:
Hahahahahaha potential thief thinks I’m like him oooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are disgusting and you stink

Mr LegalWolf,
According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?




Cc: FxMasterz

Can you see how he disgraces himself?

FxMasterz:
Is there any need for me to answer your question again? You asked the question because I didn't agree to the Samaritan version of the Israel/Samaritan history. Now, I said I agree and accept the Samaritan history about themselves. Now, let's argue the Moses/Samaritan disagreements on this basis.

LegalWolf has fled!
He wouldn't answer your question about the history of the Samaritans by the Samaritans.

He is caught in his own web of untruths.


Since you know the History of the Samaritans more than everyone, pray thee
Mr LegalWolf,
According to the Samaritans, Who is the First king of Samaria and give the approximate date when he reigned?

MightySparrow:
You get it Sir. When you mention Mutt'ah, a Sunni Muslim will tell you that the Shia believe and practice it. When you qoute one Hadith, they will say is not sahih or it belongs to Shia. A Muslim can even say, ' I don't believe in Hadith, only Quran ' When you show errors in Quran, they will turn to ' ògbójú quoting irrelevant Bible references.

You can only defend lies with another lie.
A righteous man is as bold as lion.
TenQ.
Their inconsistencies don tire me.

Don't mind them. To win their arguments, they don't mind throwing Logic, Allah, Mohammed, Qur'an, Hadith and their Tafsirs under the bus.

You need lies to defend lies, there's no short cut

AntiChristian:
The Character As-Saamiri you are confused on saying he's a Samaritan from Samaria, bearing in mind that the city of Saamirah to whom he is attributed as you claim was founded a long time after him. But you did not know that As-Saamiri is not attributed to this town, rather he is attributed to one Israelite tribe called As-Saamirah. It was also said that he was an infidel from Karman and his name was Moosaa Ibn Thafar. Anyway according to both interpretations, he is not attributed to the town of Saamirah, so your misconception is refuted!

There are Twelve Tribes of Israel: can you show from any historical source of your take that a Tribe of Israel exist with the name As-Saamirah ?

For your information, the list of the Tribes of Israel are presented below
Reuben
Simeon
Levi
Judah
Issachar
Zebulun
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Joseph (which is further divided into two tribes: Ephraim and Manasseh)
Benjamin

Each one of them was the son of Jacob. Ephraim and Manasseh are the two sons of Joseph


Again:
There are Twelve Tribes of Israel: can you show from any historical source of your take that a Tribe of Israel exist with the name As-Saamirah ?


Secondly.
You claim that the name of the Samaritan was Moosaa Ibn Thafar , what Tribe does Thafar come from?

FxMasterz:
I tell you bro. He knows the truth but he loves the lies.

Of course he knows. That is why he does all the gymnastics to evade the truth coming out from his own mouth.

Can you see how to catch the Iligalwolf?
Ask him questions that will betray his lies!
In two steps, he is cornered.

He doesn't want to own up to the history of the Samaritans by the Samaritans, however, he wants to throw jabs at anything you say with the same purported claim of the Samaritans!

See how he has melted away. From now on, as long as you repeat the questions, he knows he has no where to go.

MightySparrow:
Mohammed and the early Muslims are honest people in their wickedness. The Muslims of today would not only cover up, but destroy the information.

I agree with you.

The things modern Muslims are trying to hide and bury now was what they used to boast about Mohammed their prophet.

Now, the babarity and stupidity is glaring even for the most simple to see.

MightySparrow:
Artful dodger.
No answer.
When you ask Muslims simple questions , They begin to perambulate about, begging the question or quoting irrelevant Bible references as if the sins of the people (of which God punished them) in the Bible inspired Mohammed to do evil.

That is what happens when Muslims are confronted with the Truth they would rather want hidden.

So many lies and cover-ups the modern Muslim want hidden even from their religious literatures

AntiChristian:
God in your Bible gave David many wives!

The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals thus:
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

So if Allah gives me 100 wives, who am i to reject them!



Antichristian replies, “Blessed are you, MightySparrow son of hin mama, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by your Father in heaven probably through the "Nollywood" Spirit!



Same Angels wey come earth con marry for Genesis 6:1-4!



Yeah, May Allah grant me your place in Jannah in addition to mine and grant you mine in Jahannam in addition to yours! Aamin.

Why do you dodge elementary questions about Islam?


I only asked a question why Mohammed divorced Hafsah Finally and remarried her without her receiving her own orgasm from another husband.


Did Allah give Mohammed the privilege of remarrying his divorced wives without then tasting orgasm from another husband?

AntiChristian
I asked you a direct question :

According to the Almighty Allah, If I murdered your slave, a just Retribution is when you also murder my slave!

Is this justice!?
Is this not human sacrifice?

Qur'an 2:178
"O you who have believed, prescribed for you is legal retribution for those murdered -
the free for the free,
the slave for the slave, and
the female for the female.
But whoever overlooks from his brother anything, then there should be a suitable follow-up and payment to him with good conduct. This is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy. But whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment."