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Rosemaiden:
This is serious.

You might want to read this previous post of mine. All the Muslims fled the post

https://www.nairaland.com/7617951/now-agree-muslims-allah-indescribable

advocatejare:
Kudos to you for teaching Muslims the root of their religion

You are welcome. It's not their fault. Their scholars always whitewash Islam for them so that they hear only of the glorious things. The dead rot and puss is covered up and dressed up as sugar and honey syrup for them.
When lies multiply, this is what you get

Rosemaiden:
They would be admitted into paradise because the god of the Serbians and the god of Mohammed are the same.

Of course!
Only that Allah actually serves Mohammed or at best Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

jaephoenix:
1. Have you ever in your life seem Muslims call Allah Yahweh? No. Have you seen traditional Yoruba worshippers call Eledumare Yahweh? No. But you said Allah and Eledumare are Yahweh.

But it fits your logic to ram up my throat your gods Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods.

jaephoenix:
2. Yes, my boy, there are non physical entities that are measurable. Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc. We know their properties and they can be measured

I think I'm wasting my time with you. But let me help you with something to educate you. You will find a list of physical quantities

https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342

jaephoenix:
3. Prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence?

Ok. I have a car so cute that its invisible. There is no physical evidence its parking in my garage, but I drive it to work everyday. Hope you believe me and please don't ask me for evidence.

Let me give you an example to think about.
A software has been complied and loaded on a HDD of a computer, using non software means, prove that a software exist on the HDD?

jaephoenix:
4. Again leave the scientific arguments alone. You're clueless on how they work

Unfortunately, you are the ignorant one here. No wonder your best examples of non-physical quantities are
Examples are wind, gravity, time, microwave, Bluetooth etc.

Did you attend secondary school at all?


Please, go learn a little more. You are a time waster.

Again, to help you:
https://www.thoughtco.com/physical-properties-of-matter-list-608342

jaephoenix:
There's this TenQ character I'm arguing with, he's using logic and science to prove Yahweh existence, and doing a poor job of it, using special pleading fallacies and poor application of science

Who decides who does a poor job of using science and logic? YOU!?

If your science had been just a little up it would have been good for you. Your inability to comprehend simple logic with elementary science is at best appalling.
It would have even been better if you were just a little more sincere and honest with the implication of deductions you'd have found yourself in only that you will AVOID implicating consequences of answering a direct questions while you cherry pick what to respond to.

Is LordReed your mentor and pastor in the religion of atheism?
SMH!

When you are ready to respond honestly to questions, call me!
Shior!!

Lukuluku69:
The Month in which the Fasting/Fast is observed is known as Ramadan.

I am sure when you open your Bible, you should know that the Israelites have a Lunar Calendar they follow and they Fast in a Particular Month too. The Fast is referenced with the month it is observed in hence "Ramadan Fast" meaning the fasting observe in Ramadan.

As you will have come across, Muslims observe other Fasting across the Twelve Lunar months, but the one in the month of Ramadan is obligatory on them all.

The reference only points to the month.

Jesus and Moses and the Israelites all observed Fasting at some point in their life and history, does it mean they were Pagans too?

Make una dey try engage your brain cells before una let out the hates in you small nah :

1. Mohammed didn't invent the Month called Ramadan it predated Islam. Mohammed received his first Qur'an in the month of Ramadan.
2. The issue was never about Fasting or not Fasting. The Isrealites have been Fasting since the time of Moses.

3. The issue was having so much similarities between the Sabians and Islam

You might want to have a read of the Sabian belief system and see how much similarity there exist between it and Islam
There is fasting in the Sabian belief system. It lasts for 30 days. This period is tied to the movement of the Moon. Their rule was 'see the moon and start fasting, see the moon and start rejoicing.' (Islam adopted the period of fasting, and the rule of 'fasting-rejoicing' exactly).

https://spentamainyu.tripod.com/sabian2.htm

Here is another

The Sabeans in Iraq used to fast thirty days each year, starting with sighting of the crescent and ending it with its sighting again a month later. At that time, Eid al-Fitr began for them. Like them, the grand-father of Prophet Mohammed, Abdul Muttalib and other prominent Arabs used in Ramadan, a special month for them, to make sure they fasted.
https://thearabweekly.com/electronic-fast


Thank you sir

triple996:
dude look at it again.
The verse said : Those who believed and those who were Christians,Jews and pagans.
English is not hard wooo

LOL, Muslims with Fabrications and Twisting of their own scriptures is 5&6.
Muslims are the only religious faith that will re-interprete their scripture to duck tape various goofs Mohammed made for them.

1. The Arabic did not say the lies you've been fed by the translation. A screenshot is attached for you to see. I guess you saw the "WERE" (past tense) you are looking for.

2. Can you find a single Tafsir that AGREE with your desire for the elusive WERE in the Quranic verse?
Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al Qurtubi etc

Or are you saying that your knowledge of the Qur'an surpasses these scholars?


I'm wai------ting!
LOL!
It looks like you don't know me!
I probably know more about Islam than your Imam!

At least you now know that the Sabians worshipped the solar constellation. Why would they be admitted in paradise?

triple996:
dude look at it again.
The verse said : Those who believed and those who were Christians,Jews and pagans.
English is not hard wooo

LOL, Muslims with Fabrications and Twisting of their own scriptures is 5&6.
Muslims are the only religious faith that will re-interprete their scripture to duck tape various goofs Mohammed made for them.

1. The Arabic did not say the lies you've been fed by the translation. A screenshot is attached for you to see. I guess you saw the "WERE" (past tense) you are looking for.

2. Can you find a single Tafsir that AGREE with your desire for the elusive WERE in the Quranic verse?
Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al Qurtubi etc

Or are you saying that your knowledge of the Qur'an surpasses these scholars?


I'm wai------ting!
LOL!
It looks like you don't know me!
I probably know more about Islam than your Imam!

At least you now know that the Sabians worshipped the solar constilations. Why would they be admitted in paradise?

If you are bound to cherry picking my questions to answer, it's better you don't even respond to my post. I can understand you don't want to reveal your Ignorance or you are afraid your response will box you into a corner. It is not a nice way for a person who desires to speak from his truth and not deceptive point of view.

jaephoenix:
1. You said this
I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe
And also said this
we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture

Now I showed you evidence the names different people, cultures and tribes call their gods , and you're here jawing away by saying this
Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut


You see how you're turning slippery when being found out
You also ignored where I said Muslim, pagan and Christian gods are accepted to be different by their worshippers(except you)

And my response didn't show you that the point of view is the church!?
Have you EVER in your life heard the adherent of the deities Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods call their gods remotely by the name Yahweh?

It shows that you are very deceptive and insincere in your arguments.

jaephoenix:
2. Logic does not support a uncaused first cause. Hope you know the fallacy called Special pleading?
Just in case you're ignorant of it, here it is…
Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception. It is the application of a double standard.

But your eminent logic support that infinite regress of cause and effect is possible!
SMH

jaephoenix:
3. Its not everything that exists that have physical properties but they have other properties which can be measured

Abegi Science Guru,
What Properties are not physical but measurable?
I hope your physical properties are not restricted to just mass and length?

I said:
Prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence?

Of course, it is not all that exist must have physical evidence !
Yet
To you If physical evidence of God is not provided, He doesn't exist.
What a LOGIC!

See how your logic scatter like the cookies crumble.

Again Mr science guru,
What Properties are not physical but measurable?

jaephoenix:
4. Las las, leave science alone. You don't know how it works

No wonder, you could answer ALL my science questions!

Dear Science Guru,
I asked you a simple basic 100L question
1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?

Your eminent scientific response was:
1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations

My self study non-scientific self had to respond with:
Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.

And I didn't raise a fuss about your goof!

I agree with you that I don't know how science works but at least you are terribly worse off than me.



Please stop cherry picking and answer my previous questions

efficiencie:
My apologies to the Muslims but their religion is full of bunkum.

LOL!
Too much. Everywhere you turn, there must be attempts to duck tape issues created by their scholars

If you check well, you are the one who dodge answering questions!

jaephoenix:
1. Thor, Viracocha, Huitzilopochtli are Aztec, Incan and Scandinavian gods. Since these folks know their gods by these names, and you claim different people and cultures know Yahweh by different names, that means they refer to Yahweh.
I know god is a title. But you claiming that that god is your Yahweh is very incorrect because Allah is a god for Muslims, and no Muslim or Christian(except, of course, you) believe they are the same. In fact, it's heresy in some Christian or Muslim quarters
2. You still haven't tendered any evidence that this your yahweh, in fact, exists. You're still conjecturing that he exist. Leave science out of this, you don't know how it works

1. Show me just one evidence each of these is your deities are known in Churches as Yahweh or forever keep your mouth shut!
I said:
I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still referring to the same being!?

2. You have been well informed about this. You need physical evidence right?

First, prove to me that: Everything that exist must have physical evidence?


You have stylishly AVOIDED all the questions I asked you. I represent them here

1. Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause?
Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist!


If you disagree with my submission, bring your best argument to the contrary?

2. Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.

a. Does this mean that the universe will have an end?
b. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point?

3. I asked:
Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point!

How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang?
a. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang?
b. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter?

4. I asked:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?
And you are correct.
The implication:
i. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist.
ii. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist
iii. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry
iv. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry.
v. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything .

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?

Are you scared of the implications of the logical conclusion?
I don't need the bible or any spiritual language to prove the existence of God to you Bro!

advocatejare:
Ignorance is their second name, many of them would have thought that the Sabeans are Muslims

Islam is a Religion of LIES.

They LIE to themselves and FABRICATE a different lie for others!

It is too easy to find the religion of the Sabians BUT, they prefer to live in their FAIRY TALES!

jaephoenix:
My questions
1. Ok, from your declarations, I guess Eledumare, Chineke, Thor, Allah, Huitzilopochtli, Viracocha etc is your god. Nice. I'll keep that in mind going forward

You have manufactured names I don't know.
I guess you don't know that in the Church, we use the term Eledumare, Chineke and Allah to refer to "God" depending on the culture still refering to the same being!?
God is a TITLE my friend!

jaephoenix:
2. You have been dodging this question. Answer it in its entirety

No sir. It's been answered.
Your Question:
Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics?

Whatever Initiated the Big Bang Created the Laws of Physics and Chemistry!
Your answer is embedded in the ANSWER to the question:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?

jaephoenix:
3. Good. Again, how did you arrive at these appellations and characters?

Does it make sense to you that the material and it's laws are NOT eternal. Doesn't common sense tell you that in the material world, every event has a cause?
Just purely logically, an Immaterial Uncaused First-Cause of Everything must Exist!

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?

jaephoenix:
Now for your questions
1. Entropy increases as life continues. Entropy too has limitations

Entropy has nothing to do with Life but Time. Everything tends towards a state of disorderliness and randomness. Energy become dispersed and temperature gradient become zero.

1. Does this mean that the universe will have an end?
2. Do you agree that If we project back into the past, entropy must be minimum at a point?

jaephoenix:
2. I don't know. I guess you don't

I asked:
Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang? The word "singularity" should tell you that mathematics and computation break down at that point!

How can the laws of Physics exist before the big bang?
1. Did matter, time and space exist before the big bang?
2. How many laws of physics do you know that exist without time, space and matter?

jaephoenix:
3. No

I asked:
Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?

And you are correct.
The implication:
1. Before the big bang, matter didn't exist.
2. Therefore before the big bang the laws of physics and chemistry didn't exist
3. It means that the universe was brought into being by a FORCE different from the laws of Physics and Chemistry
4. It would be stupidity to speak about Creation and Existence of Matter using ONLY the Laws of Physics and Chemistry.
5. Christians have always described this Prime Mover (as outside the Laws Of Physics and Chemistry) as the Self Existing Uncaused First-Cause of Everything .

If not, bring your best argument to the contrary?

Ken4Christ:
They know that Jesus is the only way to God. But they are afraid of persecutions if they convert.

But so many have already seen the light and are in Christ. I pray that more of them will see the light and be saved.

I agree with you. I pray that their blind eyes be opened in Jesus Name!

Unfortunately, they have replaced Jesus with Mohammed!

triple996:
Hot lie
Does Serbia fast 30 days
Who were they fasting to ? Allah or sun and moons
And prophet Mohammed never said Christians, Jews and pagans will go paradise. Understand the translation and meaning first b4 saying things u don't understand

If it is a lie, in your opinion, what is the Religion of the Sabians?

The Sabians worship the solar constellation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians


Of course, prophet Mohammed didn't say that according to you Muslims, Allah himself said so:

Quran 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”

This is your Muslim translation. What else does it say?

efficiencie:
So to cut the long story short the god of the Muslims is a humanoid ameoba? But why ma guy? Why? You want to cause commotion in the camp of the Muslims. I hope no Muslim believes they are created in the image of Allah according to your exposition.

Interestingly, all Muslims here have been gentle (or humbled). They know that the Hadiths are Sahih therefore they have no arguments against it. They are hoping that this thread will somehow go away,


According to Muslims, Adam was created in the image of Allah BUT they can't explain this. Adam was supposed to be almost 100 feet tall. Allah seems to be more of a TRANSFORMER such that Muslims are confused about his real image. Adam was even created speaking Arabic language.

Sahih Bukhari 6227, Chapter 80
The Book Of Asking Permission
Book Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, Allah created Adam in His image, sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring. Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and picture of Adam Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time.

Lukuluku69:
Ohbeni, Jesus 40 days and 40 nights fast nko? As well as Moses? Shey na Yahwerey ordained that?

Ramadan in the Bible,?

Where did you get that.

By the way how come you avoided my post

https://www.nairaland.com/7617951/now-agree-muslims-allah-indescribable

Is the truth too hard?
Note that the Hadiths are all Sahih!

Ken4Christ:
See revelations. This research tight.

Thanks sir.
If you notice, they haven't said a word on this. All the Hadiths are Sahih.
They wish it can go away. Not even one Muslim has made a comment,

advocatejare:
Talk2hb1

“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”
-Quran 2:62

He probably doesn't know that the Sabians worship the solar constellation . That is why the imagery of sun and moon permeate therlir religion!

jaephoenix:
You dodged one question.
1.How do you know your favorite sky daddy was the actual creator? Remember there are thousands of creators
2.Why do you demarcate your sky daddy from the laws of physics
3. Since you cannot prove your sky daddy exists, can you explain his properties and how did you arrive at such?

I didn't dodge ANY of your Questions. You were in fact the one who dodged my questions.

1. I called the Creator by His Title as the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything; He is my God. People call Him different names depending on their language and tribe.

2. If you had answered my questions, you would not have asked such a myopic question

3. It is your opinion and you are welcome to it. God is an Immaterial Being called Spirit who is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything. This is the best description I can give to you.

Now, will you now answer my question?

1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?
2. Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang?
3. Can the laws of Physics and Chemistry exist without matter?

talk2hb1:
You Consider Those Stories as Evidence or Fact?

Why do you think the Qur'an says that the Sabians will enter paradise?

Quran 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”
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I think you should be the one to first respond to my questions.

I said:

TenQ:
Why is it that every thing you don't like spoken or written about your religion is a lie?

The OP spoke the truth. Ramadan fast is of Serbian origin. This is why Mohammed include them as going to paradise with Christians and Jews. Is this a lie too?

I asked two questions.

You responded with:

talk2hb1:
You Consider Those Stories as Evidence or Fact?

So I repeated one question for you:

TenQ:
Why do you think the Qur'an says that the Sabians will enter paradise?

Quran 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”
-

So, you should answer my questions first.


Again





Why do you think the Qur'an says that the Sabians will enter paradise?

Quran 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”
-

triple996:

Op needs help
The lies totally doesn't add up

Why is it that every thing you don't like spoken or written about your religion is a lie?

The OP spoke the truth. Ramadan fast is of Serbian origin. This is why Mohammed include them as going to paradise with Christians and Jews. Is this a lie too?

AntiChristian:
Do we follow only Qur'an in Islam? Are you guys not tired of this same question?

Islam is Qur'an and Sunnah
(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

I think the verses above suffices!


It's not compulsory i chook mouth everywhere i have been mentioned here!

Bye!

I understand your post very well. However, Mohammed is not a worthy standard of morality. Is it a case of do as I say but not as I do?

In other words, Mohammed has equal rating with Allah. Just as Allah can command you Muslims, Mohammed can command you. A violation of the command of Mohammed is SIN as that against Allah.

Can you see how Allah and Mohammed have exactly equal rating?


Unfortunately, you Muslims cherry pick too much. All the Sahih Hadiths I gave you are about the various shapes of Allah. So why are you Muslims ashamed to come out to own up to the varying shapes of Allah?

I'm sure you know that few Muslims know this. What are you hiding?

FxMasterz:
I can see the wisdom is this advice.

The Lord is our strength!

Have a beautiful night rest.
Shalom!

FxMasterz:
Bro, at the bolded, you hit the nail in the head! Satan is well advanced in his art of deception.

Chai, see logic: Finish them young, demonise all other ways; set them on this single path as the only option.

What else can anyone do for such an individual who has been falsely made to believe that he has the best option?

This is why we should never revenge when they do their evils to us because they do what they do against us with their ignorance.

We shall continue to pray for them as we educate them

BabaAduras:
TOPE POPOOLA- Comments on Facebook post of Moyo Okediji.

I know from comments here that a great deal of commentators either don't live in Nigeria or are elites who choose to live in denial. The Presidential election result in Lagos was a major shift in the political calculus of Nigeria. Those who voted massively for Obi and LP did so across ethnic divides. I have 2 children in Lagos. They are both Obidients. From VI, Lekki, Ikeja, youths voted massively for Obi and probably would have done same for GRV. As soon as the result was announced, the GLOATING and the BOASTING began. You need to see the virulence of it on Twitter. It was no longer about the intended shift or making a point against establishment. It suddenly became an ethnic thing, a victory for the power and influence of Ndigbo in Lagos. Some even brazenly made videos to that effect and the "no man's land" refrain suddenly started gaining traction. I was appalled by it all. I knew it would not end well. I saw many of those tweets and videos. One of my sons told me that some of the things he heard from Igbo guys made him regret casting his vote for Obi. There is no smoke without fire. It us interesting that when Yoruba people started responding to the unabashed provocation, the ethnic baiting started. If I cannot control the ferocity of your slap on my face, you cannot control the viciousness of my reaction. It's so unfortunate that an eye for an eye only makes everyone go blind!

Many of us are in foreign lands that have accommodated us without caring where we come from. Sometimes, we still struggle with racism even when we hold the passports of our host nations. Nonetheless, we dare not stand and abuse the sensibilities of our hosts. That is the issue here and should be divorced from blatant ethnicity and tribal bigotry. How come we didn't have all of these outrages till after election? And it is NOT because Tinubu lost to Obi in Lagos. That was made possible by people who just needed a change in Lagos. LP would probably have repeated that feat but for the issue I mentioned above. Prof and I were contemporaries in College and in our days, tribe and ethnicity were never issues. To a large extent, many Nigerians still think that way, especially in the SW where Ndigbo and other tribe's have been given ample room to flourish. I asked an Igbo friend to mention ONE Yoruba man who has one acre of land to his name in his part of Igboland. He could not.

Those who come to equity must always approach the table with clean hands. Igbos have thrived and continue to thrive unmolested in Lagos. They continue to contribute significantly to its economy. Ndigbo who mean well should address those who are stoking the fires among their elite, rather than complain about the attendant conflagration. Deal with the cause, the consequence will be taken care of.

Almost every Igbo person I attempted to engage in conversation on the candidacy of Obi when I was trying to decide who to support, responded with anger, attacks on my person and evidently ethnic slurs rather than reason. I had to DELIBERATELY rise above those pedantic narratives.

During #endsars, Nnamdi Kanu was on social media and Radio Bi.afra supervising and commanding the burning of BRT and public infrastructure in Lagos. I heard it myself, and people were calling him to update him as the they burnt down buses and police stations. He was particular and emphatic about Lagos and overrunning the city. I was shocked but, as a die-hard nationalist, I simply shrugged it off as the rantings of a deluded agitator. Lt.Col Victor Banjo, a Yoruba man was Ojukwu's friend and fought on the side of Biafra during the Civil War. He led many offensives against Federal troops and led the onslaught that captured the then Midwest. Then Ojukwu ordered him to proceed and take Lagos. Banjo refused that order. He was invited back to Enugu and Ojukwu personally supervised his execution as a traitor to the Biafran cause. I believe the last election only acted as a pin that pricked an inflated balloon.
The question in my mind in all of these is, *"WHY THE OBSESSION WITH LAGOS?"*🤔

Every Yoruba indigene who voted for Obi experienced this.
I've not changed my stance on Obi though as if it is between Atiku and Tinubu, ill still vote him but the ethnic dimensions this is taking is troubling to say the least.

Buhari tried it and saw that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the North Alone to get him the Presidency of Nigeria. If OBI wins, it isn't the Igbos alone that did it. They should thank the North Central, the Middle Belt, the South-South and Yorubas who made it possible.

FxMasterz:
The problem is that they value religious loyalty more than the destination of their soul.

If Jesus Christ was as bad as Mohammed in morality, or the Christian scriptures were falsely translated to hide truths as done with the Quran and hadith, I wouldn't be a Christian. Why should anyone deliberately hold on to lies without considering the destination that such lies are leading him into?

You got it perfectly!

Islam inoculates muslims from the truth of the gospel from their infancy. They demonize christians as worshipping three Gods (even when they know it is untrue) and the Jews as being the most filthy of human beings. When they are confronted with illogicalities, absurdities, lies and fabrications in Islam, they feel they have no other religion to go to.

They instead intensify on their religion while blocking their ears and eyes to glaring truths from the bible HOPING that God would be merciful to them because they have done ALL for him alone as they have been told.

Unfortunately, a contract is binding even if it was with a 419: And indeed Allah is the greatest 419 Deceiver.

FxMasterz:
That makes Islam a cult.

And it is indeed a cult. Even their quranic verses are difficult to find online. Except you know the particular verse you're looking for, you can't just type a phrase and pull out that whole verse on Google. In contrast, a simple Phrase online can pull a whole lot of scriptures for you. Why are they hiding their Quran so much?

You know, there was a time I had wanted to create a thread about how Allah was swearing by anything he could find. I didn't have the surahs off hand, so I searched all of Google to no avail. Eventually, I abandoned the idea. About three weeks thereafter, advocatejare created a similar thread to my surprise. He gave full details of the quranic verses and hadiths. I remember you also supplied additional verses on that thread. Meanwhile, I had previously struggled for up to a week to pull out these verses without success. It was then I knew that they're even hiding their Quran from being easily accessible online.

Islam has a lot of things to hide. You and advocatejare as well as a few others have exposed a lot but I'm sure there is an ocean of lies out there yet to be unveiled. Even this thread itself is a shocker.

Of course, there are several things Muslims hide from their religion
1. They Deliberately mistranslated the Qur'an to hide their embarrassment. Their translations cannot be trusted one bit.
2. They will summarize Tafsirs they feel has gone to too much details into a few words or Deliberately cut off translation at a point.
3. Even when you catch them red handed, they will insist a word doesn't mean what it says but another.
4. Others they refuse to translate into English hoping that people wouldn't know how bad their prophet and religion is.

We should pray for them for indeed Allah is the best Deceiver!

Without the Decking of endless lies, Islam cannot survive.

jaephoenix:
1. How do you know man
A. was created?
B. was created by your favorite sky daddy?

2. If you insist man was created by your favorite sky daddy, who created him(your sky daddy).
If you insist your sky daddy just popped out of nothing, then why can't man and the world pop out of nothing, just like your sky daddy

1. How do I know?
-Everything that is physical has an origin!
-Everything that is Physical has an end
-Physical things cannot create themselves.
2. The Uncaused First-Cause of Everything is He who created Everything and He is the one I call my God.

3. My God is NOT physical and hence doesn't have a beginning or an end. This is why He is called The Uncaused First-Cause of Everything aka God!



1. Do you think the law of entropy allows matter to exist forever?
2. Do you think the laws of physics applies before the big bang?

jaephoenix:
So you agree Flying Spaghetti Monster controls him like a puppet

You are the one who claimed that my God controls you and I don't have any business with FSM.

How come you can live in your delusions of self contradiction?
God doesn't exist but He controls you!
How?

FxMasterz:
The major problem with Islam is that they're not allowed to freely question the system like it's done in christiendom where questions and answers forums are very common. Legalwolf once told me that he loves Islam because they're taught to seek knowledge. I just laughed within me. The Bible teaches the importance of seeking knowledge far more than the Quran. Knowledge related verses abound in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, but there's also a clause to 'prove all things and hold tight to what is true,' Even in Isaiah, God called the people of Israel saying 'Come, let's reason together' meanwhile, Islam wants you to swallow everything hook, line and sinker without questioning, else you'll be beheaded.

To keep Muslims in ignorance, Allah commands them NOT to Ask Questions

1. Qur'an is expected to be CLEAR and SIMPLE to understand. Yet, they need thousands of Hadiths and Tafsirs for Muslims to agree on what the Qur'an clearly says

2. Allah forbid Muslims from asking questions so that they won't lose their faith

Qur'an 5:101
O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may distress you . But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”



These two combination make them completely fearful of asking any serious questions about their faith.

They would rather discuss whether it is halal or haram to grow hair on the armpits or whether to sleep on one's stomach or back or whether to eat toad or frogs. SMH!

jaephoenix:
Yes. And he's under control of Flying Spaghetti Monster, the god creator

My God controls you and yet He doesn't exist!?

Is this not a self contradiction?