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Christianity Etc › Re: God Did Not Create Good And Evil by TenQ: 2:22pm On Mar 19, 2023

AntiChristian:
So that all may know, from where the sun rises to where it sets, that there is none but Me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

What calamity did "the LORD" create?

You mention them if you know!
Some of the names of Allah is exactly like that of satan the deceiver!

Christianity Etc › Re: I Now Agree With Muslims That Allah Is Indescribable by TenQ(op): 2:09pm On Mar 19, 2023

shadeyinka:
It is so easy to burst these Muslims. All of them feigning Superman have become deaf and dumb especially Antichristian with all his copy-paste posts.

We are waiting!

Of course!
Antichristian himself has accused me of copy-paste before.

Unfortunately, all these is from their own very books. The hadiths are ALL Sahih according to their scholars!

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Now Agree With Muslims That Allah Is Indescribable by TenQ(op): 12:49pm On Mar 19, 2023

I'm so sorry that the questions for today even though very simple are difficult for honest Muslims to answer.

Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

If you don't know how the shin of Allah should look like, how will you distinguish Allah's shin from Mohammed's shin?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God A Trinity? by TenQ: 10:12am On Mar 19, 2023

Jokanem:
Is God a Trinity?

Many Christian denominations teach that God is a Trinity. However, note what the Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies.”

In fact, the God of the Bible is never described as being part of a Trinity. Note these Bible passages:

“Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Deuteronomy 6:4.

“You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.

“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3.

“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20.

Why do most Christian denominations say that God is a Trinity?

Except you a pushing a STRAWMAN!
According to most Christian denominations Does Trinity mean three Gods?

Christianity Etc › I Now Agree With Muslims That Allah Is Indescribable by TenQ(op): 9:31am On Mar 19, 2023*

Muslims are quick to claim that Allah is Indescribable and that nothing can be compared with him. This argument is used especially when they try to show that Allah cannot incarnate into a human form as claimed by Christians that God the Word became a Human incarnate as Christ Jesus.

Here, I want to show how Allah is indeed indescribable through his many shapes.

1. Allah: who has two Right Hands on his right shoulder

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379
It was narrated from 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'As that:
The Prophet [SAW] said: "Those who are just and fair will be with Allah, Most High, on thrones of light, at the right hand of the Most Merciful, those who are just in their rulings and in their dealings with their families and those of whom they are in charge." Muhammad (one of the narrators) said in his Hadith: "And both of His hands are right hands."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5379 : Book 49, Hadith 1: Vol. 6, Book 49, Hadith 5381
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that one of the distinguishing characteristics is that Allah does NOT have a left hand but he has two hands BOTH on his right shoulder. You will note that apart from in birth defects, there is no being like this.

The Origin of this hadith:
The Jews were found of tricking Mohammed with bogus narrations from their religion which the unlearned Mohammed will incorporate into his religion. This is one of them. They described to Mohammed the power of God and Mohammed added even to their narratives

2. Allah: with proper Left and Right Hands

Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?
Sahih Muslim 2788a: Book 52, Hadith 7
Graduation: Sahih

Here we see that sometimes, Allah can have his two hands on both his left and right shoulders especially on the day of judgement. In other words, except Mohammed is fabricating narrations about Allah, Muslims should be confused about recognizing their Allah.

3. Allah: who looks like the Da'jjal (with the exception of the eye)

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have told you so much about the False Messiah that I fear you will not understand. Verily, the False Messiah is a short man, pigeon toed, curly haired, with one eye that is blind, neither protruding nor sunken. If you are confused about him, then know that your Lord does not have one eye.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4320
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

It is amazing that Mohammed did not compare the false Messiah with the real Messiah. He compared Da'jjal with Allah AND it seems that the basic difference is that Allah is not one eyed. The Da'jjal is short, fat AND one eyed

4. Allah: who is a Young Man
Mohammed claimed:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green dress."

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference[/quote]Let me also give you the Arabic link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

Here Mohammed compared his Allah with a YOUNG man with curly hair. Who are those Muslims still insisting that there is nothing comparable to Allah! Is it their wishful thinking?

5. Allah: who is yet Unknown but another form with covered a "shin"

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....

Here we see Allah coming to Muslims in ANOTHER shape which Muslims feel is beneath Allah . If not because Allah showed the Muslim his legs, they would have rejected their God.

Conclusion:
You can see that it seems the reason why Allah is Indescribable is simply because he transforms into several shapes and forms so that it is difficult to pin him down to one shape

I humbly ask my Muslim friend to help me answer these questions
Questions:
1. What does the shin of Allah look like?
What is the distinguishing features?
2. What then is the real shape of Allah?
(Is Allah a Transformer?)
3. Why do you think Mohammed compared Allah to the Da'jjal rather than comparing Jesus to the Da'jjal?
(After all, the Da'jjal is a man as Jesus is a man)
4. On the day of Resurrection, why would Muslims be waiting for the one to intercede for them? Where was Mohammed (the Muslims Intercessor) at this time the Muslims were rejecting Allah who came in another form to them?

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Politics › Re: Shi’ites Clash With El-rufai’s Convoy, Four Dead by TenQ: 9:56am On Mar 17, 2023

OlawaleBammie:
but wait, why do people hate others cus of religion difference sef

Are people mad??

You should ask them o!

Many sects of Islam are quick to use violence to achieve their dominance. It is easy to see a Hadith or Sunnah that will support their action

Politics › Re: Shi’ites Clash With El-rufai’s Convoy, Four Dead by TenQ: 9:48am On Mar 17, 2023

OlawaleBammie:
Eehn make everybody dey hin dey na

Unfortunately, the hate between them is too much for that.

Politics › Re: Shi’ites Clash With El-rufai’s Convoy, Four Dead by TenQ: 8:04am On Mar 17, 2023

OlawaleBammie:
Aah

This shites ABI wetin dem be?. Na cult dem be or dem be religionists?

Na bullhary dem first show shege for Abuja,

Now na Hell-rufai dem wan dey show shegebanza for kaduna

Na wetin dem wan collect sef

The Shia and the Ahmadiya are like the Jehovah's Witness of the Christians to the Sunni Muslims!

The Sunni Muslims are the majority in Nigeria and they don't regard these two as Muslims

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 7:10pm On Mar 15, 2023

AntiChristian:
You would never see reasons! Check the four Imams in Islam and how they connect to the Sahabah!
Check the meaning of Sahabah, Tabi'un and Tābiʿū al-Tābʿīn!
All these are available from the generation of the Sahabahs to successive generations!

You forgot were were chatting about Compilers and Narrators.

Ho many years is it between the Sahaba and the final narrators to the compilers?

AntiChristian:
Even if he met them, did he narrate from them?

So, you admit that Paul interacted with the core Apostles and Disciples of Jesus and that there were no chains of I heard from Titi, who heard from Fela, who heard from Buhari, who heard from Peter who heard from Jesus who said bla bla balablue...

AntiChristian:
That's what makes authentication possible in Islam. In Christianity, you have to believe Holy Spirit inspired everything in the Bible even when it's clear that such thinking is false.

That is why 90% of your Hadith are acclaimed by you to be DAIF or Falsified!

AntiChristian:
A Qur'an of about 1444 years old? I don't know if it exists in hard copy. But it sure has been passed down through memorization!

The Qur'an of Abu Bakr is what Uthman copied and sent around!

Check your Qur'an and tell me if it is according to Abu Bakr or Uthman or Hafs

AntiChristian:
The Cross Isa will break is the myth of the CruciFICTION! He was not crucified not killed!

Who did the Christians see on the Cross?
Who did the Jews and Romans crucify?

Were they lying of who they saw?

How could there realty be a myth?

AntiChristian:
That is not stated in the Hadith and as i said earlier, it is never attached to worship or acts of worship!

But it is placed on mosques!

You expect me to just believe that it means nothing when half of your mosques have the symbol at the highest part of their mosques? There must be a reason!

What is the earliest time of use of the symbol in Islam?
Where was the crescent moon and star first used in Islam?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 5:15pm On Mar 15, 2023

AntiChristian:
They met the student of Students of the Sahabah!

Error 404.

They met with the students of the students of the students of the Sahaba! Even though this is not true as can you tell me the student of Aisha or Uthman or Zaid, etc
Here says is the majority of them that is why 80% of your Hadith ls are outright fabrications.

Did Paul meet directly with the Apostles of Jesus?

AntiChristian:
Paul would have said he narrated from someone which he didn't say!
Luke made the claim in Luke 1:1-4 but didn't reveal the contacts/references!

Only in Islamic narratives do we here of narrations except you can find any of the Apostles or Disciples narrating form someone else.

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an was recited and memorised by the Prophet. And this tradition still continues till today. Muhammad is an unlettered man so why do you ask where his Qur'an is. The copy of the Qur'an we have today was first written down on the authority of Abu Bakr within the first 2 yrs the Prophet died!

Muslims with fabrications is five and six. If the Qur'an you use now is written down by the Authority of Abu Baker, where is his Qur'an?

Even then, where is the Qur'an of Uthman?
Does it even exist anywhere!

AntiChristian:
It would be if anyone worships it!
But i have never seen any Muslim worship it.

Exactly like the cross that Isa will break !?
LOL!

Do you think Jesus will also break the symbol of the crescent moon and star when he comes back?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 2:20pm On Mar 15, 2023

AntiChristian:
The compiler only compiles but does not narrate. It seems you'll never understand what "Isnad" is. It's like people who transmitted a statement or report from the Prophet.

Paul never claimed he heard from any disciples about what Jesus said or anything!
Paul was against Jesus when he was on Earth!

Mind you the person that even wrote Acts of Apostle you quoted was not even a disciple but a historian!

You should ask them. All i know is that it is a design not associated with worship!

It is you who don't understand the gravity of what you claim.

Question:
Is there ANY Narrator who DIRECTLY narrated to the Compiler of Hadiths?

If there is none, it means that your compilers collected narrations from people who through hear-say gave a narration from other chains of narrators.

Paul went to the Apostles to eat Pounded Yam and Egusi soup. They didn't even converse Abi!?
Unfortunately, it seems you don't know that Jesus had hundreds of disciples (He had 12 Apostles).

Unfortunately, no one know who wrote the Qur'an. Do you?
Where is the Qur'an of Mohammed?

Since you claim to distance yourself from the crescent moon and star, will you concede that it is idolatry?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 9:51am On Mar 15, 2023

AntiChristian:
They don't need to meet the Prophet to compile Hadiths and classify them. Narration is different from compilation!
Also the chains of narration is always traceable to the Prophet for an hadith to be Sahih! The chain may be short like from the Prophet to a companion who narrates or long like from a Son of a Sahabah to his father to the Prophet and so on!

Those you mentioned are either companions or their students who can also be in an hadith chain!

Paul never met Jesus. He never compiled anything from anyone who met Jesus. He wrote on his own after the claimed Jesus appeared to him.

I hope your Islamic hypocrisy is glaring to you. Paul lived in Jesus time even though not a disciple. None of your compilers met any Sahaba and they came more than 200 years after the last Sahaba had died. But to you they are better than Paul who was with the 12 disciples of Jesus and the other believers. Oh , you didn't know that.

Acts 9:27:
"But Barnabas took him (Paul), and brought him to the apostles, and declared to them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus."

AntiChristian:
Was it written there that this is a religious symbol?
Do all Mosques use it?
It is simply a design not associated with worship!

You seem not to get me. I am agreeing with you that not all Muslims use it. What I ask is WHY do some mosques use it as a religious symbol?
What does it represent if almost half of the mosques in the world use it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 5:29pm On Mar 14, 2023

AntiChristian:
I thought you were All-Knowing as it regards Islam?
A Narrator is different from a compiler! A narrator meets the person he narrates from alive. A compiler will compile hadiths and check authenticates them. If Paul didn't meet Jesus alive then all the narration of Jesus from Paul will be Da'if or Fabricated.

Bukhari, Muslim, An-Nissa', Ibn Majjah, At-Tirmidhi and Abu-Dawood are the major six compilers.

LOL
So, which of these people: Bukhari, Muslim, An-Nissa', Ibn Majjah, At-Tirmidhi and Abu-Dawood directly met ANY of the Sahaba of Mohammed?

If they didn't meet the Sahaba or Mohammed, using your own rule with Paul, will you concede that ALL their narrations are either Daif or Fabricated.

You didn't mention
Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As,
Ali ibn Abi Talib ,
Mohd. ibn Shihab Al Zuhri,
Imam Malik, etc
Tell me that these didn't also compile Hadiths well before your six compilers?

AntiChristian:
To me Crescent moon symbol has no basis in Islam and is moreso irrelevant to worship!

So, what is it doing on top of almost all the mosques around me.

Let me agree with you that to YOU, it has no basis. Why do you think other Muslims put them on their mosques as a religious symbol?

Health › Re: If My Girlfriend Died During Abortion What Would Happen To Me? by TenQ: 2:27pm On Mar 14, 2023

Blackhacker:
If me and my girlfriend both agree to do an abortion and she died during the abortion process what will happens to me

What is her Rhesus factor?
Positive or Negative?

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 2:01pm On Mar 14, 2023

jaephoenix:
1. Obviously you can't read. Because I clearly answered that question when I said if the Engineer promised the robot that its life is important to him, he can't terminate it at his whim. There's a promise involved. Also humans aint AI. We breathe and we have 'spirits' according to you guys

No you didnt.
When did God promise you jaephoenix anything?
Since God didn't promise you anything with respect to life, your answer should be a simple
Will it be WICKEDNESS for the Engineers who created Sophia the AI robot to turn off her power pack?

Secondly, when a person dies, is he in a state of annihilation?

jaephoenix:
2. If death is a call back home, why haven't you gone back home? Would you like to be called back home with my shotgun? Besides, don't you people constantly fast and pray, even pay tithe against the 'spirit of death' everyday? So why are you guys afraid of this 'Going home'?

I am actually looking forward to returning home whenever my time is up and I have completed my assignment hear on earth.
It isn't within the preview of any man to know when it is his time to go except by suicide.

The Engineers of Sophia can readily bring her back to life even if they reduced her to her basic electronic and mechanical components. Don't you think so?

jaephoenix:
3. You said you cannot believe my UNTIL you experience yourself or learn from 'Trusted Sources'. Which is right. So why should I be begrudged for not believing the supernatural without an experience? I have been an atheist for close to 20 years, yet haven't seen any such phenomenon.

Good for you that you have not seen any such phenomenon that could help you make up your mind: why?
Your mind is ALREADY made up AGAINST anything spiritual.
You have built walls of arguments AGAINST such that reason beclouds you.
It is your CHOICE bro!
It cannot be forced!

jaephoenix:
4. If you insist there are other spiritual dimensions, you need to prove it. If you cannot prove it, why should I believe you? I insist they don't exist (til they they are proven). Big bang and other theories attempt to explain how the universe came about. Your creationism says magic was involved, and it was by a sky daddy. So where did the sky daddy come from? Didn't he come from nothing?
What if I insist the FSM insists, and it has a holy book?

I don't NEED to prove ANYTHING to you, it doesn't work that way. Each person based on the same pool of available information and experience has to convince HIMSELF of the reality of the Creator.
Speaking about magic:
Can you explain how the DNA of living things acquired enough information that controls everything about a living being.
I asked you if a blank computer can suddenly boot up after several billion years without programmers imputing bot systems softwares and application programs into it. You said, NO!
But here you are. An intelligent star dust.

IS THIS NOT A MIRACLE?

jaephoenix:
5. So lets assume that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Where did it come from? Yahweh? Thor? Obatala? Chukwu?

Since the laws of nature came forth only after the BIG BANG, you and I have no non-natural means of comprehending WHERE or HOW the Uncaused First Cause of Everything came from.
How can Sophia explain how a headache feels like?
LOL!

jaephoenix:
6. Learn more about FSM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Is it TRUE that you believe in FSM?

jaephoenix:
7.
Oh christians have measured him and laid down some qualities. Omnipotent, Omniscient, omnibenevolence, etc

Like scientists have been able to measure INFINITY!
Can you please remind me of its value in kilometers?

So these words are in the Bible?
Please teach me!

jaephoenix:
8. Computer programming isn't life.
Besides you're still saying life came out of nothing when your yahweh came out of nothing

If you know a tiny bit of Object Oriented Programing and Computer Systems, you will understand that Microcontroller powered devices and microcontroller powered devices are just imitations of living being.

If Christians have ever explained that their God is made of materials, you would have had a strong argument. But God is a Spirit!.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 12:43pm On Mar 14, 2023

AntiChristian:
Abdullah bin Abbas was a cousin of the Prophet Muhammad so he met him surely he can be a narrator of hadith! Ibn Taymiyyah however came about 600 years after the Prophet so he never met him. So he is not a narrator of Hadith.

But Bukhari or Muslim came hundreds of years after Mohammed.
Are you saying that they met the Sahabas?

AntiChristian:
FYI
I don't need the Publishers and location address. I only need something like Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532, Narrated Anas

I don't have time to verify your links. Anyone good online can upload things!

Even if you in particular don't need weblinks, other people do: such as Christians, Muslims and any other curtious who person can check to verify what I've said.
...and for you, I gave you Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532, Narrated Anas just as you wanted! LOL!!

Now, back to the issue at stake:
What is the Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam

Romance › Re: Please, Can A Woman Who Has This Number Of Bodycounts Still Be Celibate Or? by TenQ: 7:40am On Mar 14, 2023

HanisahZuwy:
Please, a woman that has about 33 bodycounts, is it possible for such a woman to become celibate? And can such a woman be able to stick with one man? Please, I want to know. Can she become celibate effortlessly if she decides to? And can she stick to one man too if she decides to? Is it difficult to do so?

And such a woman that wants to go this path of celibacy, what are the things you would say to her?

I would appreciate your suggestions and opinions. Thanks.

Nothing is impossible!
The question is WHY does she want to go Celibate!

If the reasons are not strong enough, the resolve too will not be strong.

The starting point is staying off purposeless dating!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Women In Berlin Can Swim Topless In Public Pools Just Like Men by TenQ: 7:30am On Mar 14, 2023

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I think I must give kudos to our Muslim brothers and sisters for living by the tenets of islam. No Islamic ruling nor nation will give a nod to this madness and we wonder why they are more morally up right than we Christians? Weird acts and cultures are common amongst Christian nations yet we think we are more righteous. Sometimes I regret being a Christian

So Germany is a Christian country!?
I'm just hearing that!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 8:36pm On Mar 13, 2023*

1. Narrator: Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah, page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference

2. Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532, Narrated Anas:

AntiChristian:
Hadith does not need link! Hadiths are in Books with Volume Number etc. Even in the Links of online hadiths the Book number, volume and pg is usually stated! Unlike yours!

When have you quoted Hadith or Qur'an in context hypocrite?

Hadith doesn't need web links!?
No wonder I know things you don't in Islam. Do you expect that I will Scan the hardcopy of the volumes of Hadiths before you realize it's content?

FYI, three simultaneous things were done for you to forestall you feigning Ignorance
1. The publishers, volume and location address was given
2. An English translation was given
3. A source you can easily reference online was also provided.

Only one should hav suffice for you, but I was magnanimous to give you three

You should have protested that the Jews FABRICATED the hadith

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 5:10pm On Mar 13, 2023

jaephoenix:
1.
These are examples where he promised quality life
You shall serve the Lord your God, and he will bless your bread and your water, and I will take sickness away from among you. Exodus 23:25 ESV

Behold, I will bring to it health and healing, and I will heal them and reveal to them abundance of prosperity and security. Jeremiah 33:6 ESV
Even those who are his are getting annihilated by yahweh, so what's the use believing in him?

1. I aske you a question which you ignored:
Will it be WICKEDNESS for the Engineers who created Sophia the AI robot to turn off her power pack?
2. Is death the same as annihilation according to the little Christian Religious knowledge you have? Isn't death a call back home?

jaephoenix:
2. The wave-particle duality of light is logical and was finally figured out when physicists began studying the photoelectric effect. Understanding this duality allowed an understanding of the effect, to the point that today solar power (using photoelectric cells) is a growing part of the world energy supply. Lasers, microscopes, microelectronics, medicine, and a host of other applications rely on our complete understanding of how light functions. Light as a wave moves at light speed, while particles of light carry momentum. Someday, gigantic solar sails may catch the momentum of photons and carry travelers to distant stars.

What about if I don't understand the Wave-Particle Duality of Matter and I insist that particles CANNOT perform Interference, does it change the reality of the W-P Duality of Matter?

Same with Trinity dear!

jaephoenix:
3. From what you posted here, you have an idea of science. Imagine I tell you that I live in Mars, and in fact, I fly to Earth on a daily basis, would you believe me implicitly or ask for evidence?
But you want to present a 'fact' that hasn't been confirmed neither by you or anyone. If science works that way, there won't be Invention, just speculations

Are you saying that ANYTHING that cannot be QUANTIFIED doesn't exist?

Of course, I cannot believe you UNTIL I experience it myself or learn from Trusted Sources. Quantum physics is like that. A particle tunneling through a higher barrier potential. It is best experienced by self OR rely upon the Testimony of those who are Qualified.

Too many things I believe without my own personal experience. Mass of electron, E=mc2, W-P duality of matter etc, I rely both on reason and knowledgeable testimony of experts.

I don't just take a position of REJECTION and DENIAL like Atheists for things they don't understand.

jaephoenix:
4. Yes I'm so sure he doesn't exist or create anything.
Lemme ask you. Do you believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster(FSM) exists, or He created anything? Yes or no.

LOL!
You are perfectly SURE and CERTAIN that there is
1. No other dimensions in the universe other than the physical
2. Everything spontaneously came out of NOTHING (this is a miracle)
.

Of course I know that FSM doesn't exist because it is a creation of Atheists to mock especially the God of Christians.

jaephoenix:
5. You didn't give any scientific proof the universe has a beginning

I did sir

1. The law of entropy show that the Entropy of the Universe is Increasing. Tracing it backward in time, the origin is where Entropy is minimum. Hence the Universe has a begining
2. The Big Bang/Inflation theory projects that the Universe is about 13.8billion years ago. Hence, the universe has a beginning
3. If the Universe can be proved to one day in the future come to an end where all energies are evenly dispersed, it is another proof that the Universe has not always existed.
4. ALL physical laws of Physics and Chemistry have their origin with the spontaneous creation of space, time and matter about 13.8billion years ago

If I have convinced you that the Universe has an origin, it can only mean that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Do you agree or disagree with this?

jaephoenix:
6. So you don't believe the FSM existed, so what's the use embarking on this discourse?

Even atheists cannot tell us a factual characteristic of the FSM. It is a mock god

jaephoenix:
7. Since you know, you assumed you have measured him/her/they/it. So how did you go about it?

I should ask you.
No Christian has called his Creator Material!
You are the ones asking that God be presented to you in a material form isn't it.

The ball is in your court

jaephoenix:
8. Okay. The answer is no. The PC cannot do such

But you expect that life came out of INORGANIC elements. How did the programming of life and it's attendant organic systems came into being?

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 4:07pm On Mar 13, 2023

AntiChristian:
It's your fault. Ibn Taymiyyah is not an hadith compiler like Bukhari, Muslim and the rest. Yet, you went on windows shopping to quote something from who knows where!

1. Are you implying that Muslims REJECT all Hadiths by Ibn Taymiyyah? You may wish to tell me why ALL his hadith collection are Rejected!
It would be wrong for me to reference books that Muslims REJECT.

AntiChristian:
Allah has never! Reincarnation does not exist in Islam.

I didn't discuss Reincarnation. I spoke about INCARNATION.
Incarnation mean that a Deity assume another (different) form.

In this case, Allah appeared in ANOTHER form different form his first appearance to you Muslims

AntiChristian:
What for was He before? Allah will appear to us in forms He wills on Judgement day! This has never happened.

Is there ANY iota of Evidence that Allah's incarnation will ONLY take place in future?
Are you saying that Allahs other shape is not Eternal?

AntiChristian:
Future tense not present!

Let me put the question in future tense
3. Now that Allah will come ~~came~~ in a different form to you Muslims, ~~did~~ will he loose his "Allahship"?

AntiChristian:
Once your premises are wrong all your conclusions follows suit!

This actually suits you well:
At least we have established that Allah can be in other forms of shape (which you initially denied), now, you have to modify your WHOLE theology about Allah!
LOL

Does the fact that Allah didn't appear according to your expectations CHANGE who Allah is?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 3:45pm On Mar 13, 2023

AntiChristian:
Yeah deep indeed! But as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil. James 4:16

Didn't you gave a link?

Chai!

Knowledge is acquired understanding of data and information sir. It is not the same as invention .

The link is called REFERENCE sir. The meaning is that the information I presented was not mine: I am only quoting the source. If I invented my own Hadith, would you take it seriously? LOL

Unfortunately, by ignorance you wouldn't quote scriptures in context

Jam 4:14-17:
"Whereas you know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. For that you ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. [b]But now you rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. [/b]Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin."

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 11:57am On Mar 13, 2023

AntiChristian:
I think I have told you the hadith that are not in the major books of Hadith are rather not to be used for judgement! I don't recognize your source so I have no comment on that!

How can that be my fault?
These are your religious books and literatures written by Muslims for Muslims glorifying Mohammed. The fact that they are embarrassing for you is no my fault.

Are you saying that Mohammed NEVER saw his Lord?

AntiChristian:
The second hadith is clear and Sahih. So?

1. Do you agree that contrary to your claim, Allah does INCARNATE?
2. Do you agree that According to the Authentic Hadith by Bukhari, Allah didn't change back to the form you Muslims agree with, doesn it mean that we have at least TWO shapes of Allah?
3. Now that Allah came in a different form to you Muslims, did he loose his "Allahship"?
4. How does the shin of Allah look like?
It has been a puzzling question to me since non of you Muslims have ever seen Allah!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 11:45am On Mar 13, 2023

AntiChristian:
But your knowledge is Shallow!

With all these "copy copy" una dey do?

I agree with you. My knowledge is shallow but is still much deeper than yours!
At least I still taught you two hadiths not long ago (except of course if you feigned ignorance of their embarrassing details)

Secondly, just neck my posts and tell me where I copied them from.

Your call sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Origin Of Crescent Moon Symbol Of Islam by TenQ: 8:16am On Mar 13, 2023

advocatejare:
AntiChristian can’t answer that, he will run away as usual

Of course, he can't.

When Muslims know that a Christian doesn't know much of Islam, they feign superman in knowledge. When they meet knowledgeable Christians, the bow and keep quiet

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 3:47pm On Mar 12, 2023

jaephoenix:
I'm certain youre the person, but if you wanna dodge no problem. Lets continue
1. The difference here is I didn’t make a promise to those bacteria or robot that they are my people

When did God make any promise to you that you are His.
The bible says the Lord knows those who are His..

jaephoenix:
2. I highlighted the key word. Trinity as 'almost exactly' like the wave-particle duality, but not like it. Totally different concept

Is the Wave-Particle Duality of matter Illogical?

jaephoenix:
3. Good. How did you know death is a disconnect between body and spirit? Did any dead person send you an email concerning that, or did you read up some bullshit from a book(that talks about talking donkeys and snakes) which cannot be verified ?

You won't believe non physical evidence anyways? What's the point?

jaephoenix:
4. Im not 1000% certain everything is physical. But you are 1000% certain of the existence of the spiritual, yet you have no single shred of evidence of the spiritual or supernatural. Not one, not even a tiny shred. I'm open-minded. I would like to know(if you bring any evidence that stands to scrutiny) but in your own case you believe wholeheartedly without evidence. In fact I can tell you I live in Mars and you'll believe me(as long as I'm your pastor, or it says so in your buybull). This is because your mind is trained not to question anything, just believe it stupidly

But you are sure God didn't make anything and neither does He exist.

jaephoenix:
4. Yes. Go ahead convince me the universe has an origin

Read again: I gave you scientific proofs

jaephoenix:
5. I don't know if the natural laws have a creator. But if you say they have a creator, how come its not your favorite god. I can posit it is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it created your yahweh, do you believe it?

You should at least have a better or more plausible explanation. I've given you my explanations.
Over to you please!

jaephoenix:
6. Well, you're so sure that creator exists. So how did you measure him? What are his/they/it attributes and how did arrive at them?

You are the one to decide on how to measure the Creator if He is Immaterial, timeless and Eternal

jaephoenix:
7. Your final question is irrelevant

It is a lame excuse to avoid being boxed in a corner. Please respond to the question

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 3:05pm On Mar 12, 2023

jaephoenix:
I'm certain youre the person, but if you wanna dodge no problem. Lets continue
1. The difference here is I didn’t make a promise to those bacteria or robot that they are my people
2. I highlighted the key word. Trinity as 'almost exactly' like the wave-particle duality, but not like it. Totally different concepts
3. Good. How did you know death is a disconnect between body and spirit? Did any dead person send you an email concerning that, or did you read up some bullshit from a book(that talks about talking donkeys and snakes) which cannot be verified ?
4. Im not 1000% certain everything is physical. But you are 1000% certain of the existence of the spiritual, yet you have no single shred of evidence of the spiritual or supernatural. Not one, not even a tiny shred. I'm open-minded. I would like to know(if you bring any evidence that stands to scrutiny) but in your own case you believe wholeheartedly without evidence. In fact I can tell you I live in Mars and you'll believe me(as long as I'm your pastor, or it says so in your buybull). This is because your mind is trained not to question anything, just believe it stupidly
4. Yes. Go ahead convince me the universe has an origin
5. I don't know if the natural laws have a creator. But if you say they have a creator, how come its not your favorite god. I can posit it is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it created your yahweh, do you believe it?
6. Well, you're so sure that creator exists. So how did you measure him? What are his/they/it attributes and how did arrive at them?
7. Your final question is irrelevant

Even though I still answered this your so-called questions in this post, it is convenient for you to insist I am dodging questions when of a truth even here , you are the one cherry picking.

Again for your perusal:
Do not choose the questions, respond to each as long as you are a truthful person, we'll arrive at the same destination.

jaephoenix:
We have a pending discourse on a thread about how murderous Yahweh was, but you dodged it.

You must must have mixed me up with someone else. I don't dodge questions of the faith.
LOL! You mere stardust sense of self importance is amazingly extra large!
I will deflate you with just a few simple questions except you are insincere

Do you know Sophia the AI Robot? Would it be a Murderous CRIME for her Engineers to Switch of her Battery Power pack?

Will you consider yourself a genocidal murderer for disinfecting you toilet and wiping out millions of bacteria just because you selfishly want a clean toilet. You are both living beings aren't you?

jaephoenix:
Back to your post. I believe you know whar an illogicallity means, right? You talk about complete illogicalities in the beliefs of Islam? Although I don't know the specific illogicalities you mentioned, how does it differ to Christian illogicalities? You believe in the Trinity but u don't believe Yahweh died, u said it was only jesus that died.

I marvel at your ignorance in extremely simple concepts that even have parallels in science.

If you don't understand what Trinity is, ask questions.

If Trinity is ILLOGICAL, is the Wave-Particle Duality of matter also Illogical?
A Particle is Distinct from a Wave and Yet subatomic particles like electrons behave as both waves and particles. Almost exactly like the Trinity. The Father is distinct for the son and distinct for the Spirit, yet the Father , the Son and the Spirit is ONE Entity.

If you don't understand this, you'll need to comprehend simple physical nature first before delving in spiritual things. If you have questions, ask rather than going off in tangent based on assumptions.

Finally,
To you death is ANNIHILATION!
To Christians, death is NEVER an Annihilation. It is a DISCONNECTION between your Body and the Spiritual You (your real being).
In that sense, when Jesus Died, His body was Disconnected from His Real Being as no one Truly DIES!

If you have questions, ask!

jaephoenix:
You believe talking donkeys, snakes, bushes burning without actually burning, dudes parting seas with just a stick, sun and moon standing still, dude chilling in whales etc? Oh I forgot you believe a virgin got preggies?

To those who think EVERYTHING is completely Physical, they may sound Illogical. However for Theists, these are NOT impossibilities. Muslims and Christians believe in miracles.

Are you 1000% certain that EVERYTHING in the Universe is guided by no other factor except by Physical Laws?

jaephoenix:
1. To be honest, i don't know if the universe has an origin or not, there are theories around which makes sense, but doesn't completely gel. The theory of creationism that you believe in is just plain falsehood. Even the Catholic church agree its bullshit and have embraced evolution. Even the theory of big bang was made by a Catholic priest

1. The law of entropy show that the Entropy of the Universe is Increasing. Tracing it backward in time, the origin is where Entropy is minimum. Hence the Universe has a begining
2. The Big Bang/Inflation theory projects that the Universe is about 13.8billion years ago. Hence, the universe has a beginning
3. If the Universe can be proved to one day in the future come to an end where all energies are evenly dispersed, it is another proof that the Universe has not always existed.
4. ALL physical laws of Physics and Chemistry have their origin with the spontaneous creation of space, time and matter about 13.8billion years ago

If I have convinced you that the Universe has an origin, it can only mean that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Do you agree or disagree with this?

jaephoenix:
2. Same for the source of natural laws. Remember you said it was created in one thread, I asked you who did it and proof, then you dodged

Who created the Natural laws?
The answer is simple:
He is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything who existed beyond the physical laws, time and space. He is called by many titles such as God, the Creator, Olorum, Ubangiji etc
Even though many people are aware of Him, they may not know Him.

You didn't answer my Question:
Do you know the Source of the Physical Laws?

jaephoenix:
3. I don't understand this question. Maybe you need to rephrase…

I said:
In the Physical Space, Consciousness CANNOT evolve out of nothing. It takes Consciousness to produce other Consciousness.
In other words:
a. Is it possible for a Laptop to evolve out of the elements of the earth complete with its software?
b. Is it possible for a software to spontaneously grow on a hard disk drive?

jaephoenix:
1. Good. If you say your favorite daddy created it, then you gotta show proof. Else, why shouldn't I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and your Yahweh
2. Ditto for this:

The stupid rhetoric again?

What kind of Physical Evidence will you need that will be agreeable to you?
Note:
If the Creator is immaterial, what instrument do you think you need to measure him?

Do you know what SYSTEM is?
Have you ever seen a system that just appeared spontaneously in nature? Can you have a building without a builder? Can you have an aeroplane without the engineer?

Your ALTERNATIVE proposal for the existence of Life and the Universe is a MIRACLE where the physical laws created themselves AND everything just spontaneously came forth by themselves.

What is your BEST answer for the Source of Everything?

jaephoenix:
3. What if I posit, consciousness can come out of nothing? Can you counter me? Who created or made that original consciousness?

Of course, we live in a physical world this, it should be easy for you to find physical examples.

A simple Question for You:
Given a functional computer with all physical hardware complete (RAM, ROM, HDD, VDU, Power Source etc) but zero software (no system software, no application software, no CMOS initialisation program etc) , given enough time in billions of years, what is the probability that in 600 billion years, we can put on the computer and it will boot up and perform the minutest rudimentary function?

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Christ Was God, Why Did He Find Fault With Some Old Testament Laws? by TenQ: 2:53pm On Mar 12, 2023

AntiChristian:
Powerlessness? Just as yours exhibited his foolishness and weakness thus for the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. One Corinthians 1:25. You can interpret it as you like.
.....

Sorry, I received a BAN for responding to this same post. Let me see if I can respond again without the Nairaland bot flagging it.

AntiChristian:
Powerlessness? Just as yours exhibited his foolishness and weakness thus for the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. One Corinthians 1:25. You can interpret it as you like.

Does God Sleep? How does God awake from Sleep?
Then the Lord awoke as from sleep, as a warrior wakes from the stupor of wine. Psalm 78:65.

I can only laugh at your mischievous feigning of ignorance of English language.
Try again sir!

AntiChristian:
Even if you become impotent today na one Muslim/enemy dey do you! Na so your Christian life be! I was banned for almost 24 hrs too! I didn't complain at all!

I don't know about such book of "Sahih Hadith".

Since you claim to be IGNORANT of your religion, let me help you out

I think got banned for posting Arabic script
Here is the English Version
I saw my Lord in the form of a young man having plenty of curly hair in a green meadow.

Narrator: [/b]Abdullah bin Abbas | The narrator: Ibn Taymiyyah |
[b]Source: Statement of Dressing the Jahmiyyah,
page or number: 7/290
| A summary of the hadeeth’s verdict: Sahih
Graduation: It was included by Ibn Uday in ((Al-Kamil fi Al-Du’afa’) (2/260), Al-Bayhaqi in ((The Names and Attributes)) (938), and Ibn Al-Jawzi in ((The Infinite Illnesses)) (16) with a slight difference

Let me also give you the link
https://www.dorar.net/h/9k1WPsJH

AntiChristian:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 532
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
....

This is NOT the Hadith I referred you to sir. This is it.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
...
Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' and now we are waiting for our Lord.' Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say , 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation.
.....

The website link before you start feigning Ignorance again.

Here are my questions again:
1. Is it true that Mohammed said that Allah is in the Image of a Young man putting on a green suit and with black curly hair?
Sahih Hadith in "Bayan Talbis al-Jahmiyyah by Ibn Taymiyyah 7/290"

2. Is it true that on the day of judgement, Allah will appear to you Muslims in another form that you will reject? You will even ask Allah take refuge from him
Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s

I will ask you further questions after you respond to these two questions.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Russia Launches 80 Hypersonic Missiles Against Ukraine by TenQ: 4:15pm On Mar 11, 2023

VeryWickedGoat:
Death to Nazis!
Death to Western Imperialists!!
Long live the Motherland!!!

Truly you are a very wicked Goat.

A bully saw your beautiful land asset and decided to grab some for himself because he is bigger than you. But since wicked people by nature gravitate towards WICKEDNESS, we understand your pitch

Foreign Affairs › Re: Pope Francis Says Ukraine War Fuelled Not Just By 'Russian Empire' by TenQ: 4:05pm On Mar 11, 2023

elijahkayode:
he won the election fair and square

moreover sabotage of government activity is treason
(a coup is treason)
coup is death if the perpetrators are caught

after this coup Ukraine became anti-Russia
A king will cut heads if he hear rumours that coup is coming

You'll notice that you are not answering my questions. However,
1. If for instance, there is a Coup in Cameroon and Paul Biya was removed, are you saying that it is a good opportunity for Nigeria to invade them and annex Bakassi peninsula?
2. Was it in the Best Interest of Ukraine when Russia intervened and annexed Cremia rather than remove their new president?
3. Since Russia love Ukraine that much, does Russia have it in plan to return Cremia to Ukraine?
4. Have you ever heard Putin say that Ukraine does not even exist?

As long as you'll speak the truth, you can answer all the questions

Foreign Affairs › Re: Pope Francis Says Ukraine War Fuelled Not Just By 'Russian Empire' by TenQ: 2:06pm On Mar 11, 2023

elijahkayode:
coup not impeach
impeach is by the law while coup is sabotage of government authority

Okay?

Ukraine did a Coup to unseat their Ukrainian President?

Another Country Russia came to punish Ukraine for removing their President and installing another President.

There has been several democratically elected governments in Ukraine after Viktor Yanukovych, why is it that instead of returning Cremia to Ukraine, Russia consolidated its grip by building the bridge.

Is it true that Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych was a Russian Puppet like the President of Belarus?

Is this what you want from Ukraine?

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