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olas24u:
In 1997, NATO and Russia agreed to form the NATO-Russia Founding Act, which defined the ways to work together and to cooperate with each other. They also founded the NATO-Russian Discussion Council in 2002.

So, if Russia is that interste in joining NATO, why are they protesting
1. NATO's expansion to the East
2. Ukraine joining NATO

olas24u:
When did the Soviet Union request to join NATO?
March 1954
“Molotov's Proposal that the USSR Join NATO”, March 1954, Wilson Cente

Thanks for the information.

However,
In May 1954 the Western powers rejected the Soviet proposal to join NATO on grounds that the USSR's membership of the organization would be incompatible with its democratic and defensive aims.

1. The soviet Union was Communist Republic at that time
2. NATO felt that the request was a ploy to divide/undermine NATO security.

But here we speak of Russia and NOT the Soviet Union.

olas24u:
Putin was a KGB agent and understand so many many things ,He his an american specialist and have done this jobs for decades.Th reason why africans were taking as slaves was because we were very friendly and welcomed foreigners a lot .Most countries are hostile to outsiders and will never give you a chance .How come it has close relationships with members of Eurasia expect ukraine, belrusia ,shangia copeation members ,china ,North korea? , Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan

Russia had good relationship with Ukraine only when the President of Ukraine was a russian puppet.
Immediately the puppet president was removed in 2014, Russia became openly hostile to Ukraine. The truth of the matter is that both Russia and USA want exactly the same thing (CONTROL). USA uses common sense to gain control while Russia think control is only obtained by brute force

olas24u:
The soviet union just broke up in 1991 ,so they are just rebuilding their country ,and again , Gaddafi son went closer to the west and also did a phd in United kingdom,they gave up their nuclear power plants and you can see the result when they came for them.You can go close and assume that everything is okay.gadafii lost his life and they almost killed and erased the whole family.

You seem not to understand that it is about the faulty national foreign policies of Russia.
Russia should make friend and alliance with their neighbours.

You dont make friends with your neighbours by making them weaker than they already are. This the weakness of Russia: a bully

olas24u:
yes they asked to joined NATO ,but they said No because their will be no enemies to fight. Dont forget they supported the war on terror after the September 11 attack

I need a document or validation to your assertion of Russia wanting to be part of NATO. I am not in anyway aware of that

olas24u:
Yes Russia is the target, they want pieces it like yugoslavia, and be the only super power, because they are also surrounding China, from Taiwan, from Japan, from India and the Philippines. By going near Russia, the missile can reach mainland Russia of Moscow in 10minutes, with hypersonic missile its 5 minutes.

And the mumu Russia knowing that refused to form friendly alliance with Europe and all her surrounding neighbours. No one becomes great alone.

The Ukraine that Russia should make an allie at all cost Russia has permanently and irrevocably driven away by mindless brute actions of war.

My Father used to say:
"Wisdom is always greater than Strength"

olas24u:
So if Russia didnot want to integrate with Europe, why did they build nord stream one, through Ukrainian into Europe, why did they build nord stream 2 through Turkey why did they reject Russian offer to be part of NATO? Why are they having joint venture to space using Russian technology, why do they have cruise ship agreement with Europeans to sail for leisure, the most profitable airline route for airlines is long distant flight, you need to pass Russia to make profit. So why did they allow them to use their airspace to ferry passangers into China, Japan, and the rest.?

You might want to educate me with information as per when Russia applied to join NATO sir!
You probably don't understand that the problem of Russia isn't Europe per say but USA.
USA is playing the role Russia should have played in Europe: strength without brains is Russia's problem

olas24u:
its sovereign nation that should stay neutral and serve like a buffer zone,and protect its own people,like japan, Finland, south and north korea

if Ukraine is a sovereign nation, then it has no business with being a buffer zone to any other nation. Her only duty is to protect herself from external aggressors.

By the order of precedence (Ukraine being a direct neighbour to Russia and a first allie in the old Soviet Union) , Ukraine and Russia should be the best of friends and allies: BUT what scattered this?

[quote author=olas24u post=111578283][/quote]In other words, the problem of Russia is not Ukraine but NATO. Did Ukraine sign such agreement with Russia?

olas24u:
secondly it is the USA that does not want integration of Europe together with Russia, when Europe and Russia integrate together ,they will compete with America interms of economy because ,Russia as natural resources, and Europe will get cheaper resources to power its economy and will compete with even china.The goal of America is to sperate them.

It is quite the opposite sir. Russia doesn't want an integration with Europe. That is why they protest the eastward expansion of both EU and NATO. Russia doesn't see itself as being part of Europe.

I expect Russia to have played the role USA is playing in Europe (form economic and military alliance). USA is only capitalising on the failure of "strong man Russia"

olas24u:
America as benefitted from the war ,they wanted to slow down the Russian economy with sanctions, they did it ,they want to separate Russia from Europe ,they did it, they wanted to sell weapons ,they did it ,all European countries have increased their defence budgets ,all the money goes to America. NATO is like a sales agent for America defence industry.

To me, all these are irrelevant to Ukraine. Let Russia face NATO and not the small Ukraine. Isn't Ukraine an independent sovereign nation?
Both USA and Russia are the culprits here and certainly not Ukraine

ugwum007:
You should also remember that NATO was almost getting involved in the war which Russian is not prepared for.
The best bet is to consolidate your gains and use the peace talks to achieve more.

Putin knows how the Gadaffi and co. ended up with NATO. He will not like that type of shit.

Some people would rather Ukraine fail miserably in this war. These people don't realise that both USA and Russia want exactly the same thing from Ukraine (CONTROL). I thus find it amusing when people pitch their tent either with Russia or NATO without isolating the pawn (Ukraine) on the board.

To hell with what USA or Russia want with Ukraine. My desire is that Ukraine as an independent sovereign country will survive to reach their God given potential as a nation.

Appleyard:
The strategy is to draw the Uki forces out of Kiev main city to the outskirts. And I'm surprised they're taking the bait.

No sir. Don't forget that they took so long to achieve even this feat (the static one week 40 mile vehicle column is an evidence).
There was no strategy other than to regroup to correct a mistake after a disappointing manoeuvre.

Appleyard:
Lmao. The Russians simply withdrew from there.

It means that Russian labour, investment in arms , ammunition, personnel was ALL in vain if they withdrew without achieving anything.

Rugaria:
It's you and the Western propaganda machinery that are impugning different objectives on the Russians. The Russians never told you that they are going there to totally occupy a country of 40 million. It's the Western Media that dropped that alarming propaganda to set the bar too high so as to make it look like anything short of total occupation of Ukraine is a monumental failure for Russia. Very predictable..

What The Kremlin said was that Russia was conducting a limited military activity in Ukraine in order to remove avowed Nazis and NATO apologists disrupting the chance of a healthy diplomatic relationship between the two neighbors. That schedule is going as planned and the Nazis are being gruesomely decimated.. Beautiful Ukraine will be better for it.. NATO brings nothing but wars and blood..

So Russia has succeeded in removing the so-called neo-nazis!?
I think they didn't mention that they were also going to level whole cities as part of their objectives!

Zelensky has given Russia and Putin (8-10 times bigger and stronger) a bloody nose!

maasoap:
One way traffic, we knew your type.
BTW: prayer and curse in my opinion, they are wasting of one's energy.

It's a blessing to which all that is required is an affirmation: Amen (so be it)

maasoap:
You have been fed falsehood for too long, aka brainwashed. I can count numerous atrocities committed by USA's presidents and UK's prime ministers over the years but I don't think you can say that about Putin

I am supporting your position dear!

USA is evil to Ukraine
Russia is good to Ukraine

Whatever Russia is doing is to the best interest of Ukraine.
Whatever USA is doing is for their own interest.

I therefore prayed that you'll be surrounded by such good people like Russia in your life. Is this not okay?

WATCHOVER:
Look if you have been following me since the conflict started I never supported the invasion, Ukraine failed to understand that not every family issue you bring outside, United States and UK taking sides made this Invasion possible

Good that you are not supporting the invasion.

The truth of the matter is that both USA (through NATO) and Russia want exactly the same thing from Ukraine. They both want control over Ukraine in terms of economy and governance.

The difference is the approach: while USA is doing an indirect rule where Ukraine is made to feel independent, Russia is doing theirs by a direct rule where Ukraine is made to feel dependent on Russia.

If Russia had not imposed a puppet president who would rather be pro Russian at the expense of Ukrainians and Russia had not annexed Crimea and Russia had not sponsored the separatist Donbas region, Ukraine would never have sought for protection in NATO!

In summary:
USA would do indirect slavery of a nation
Russia would do a direct slavery of a nation

Both Russia and USA want exactly the same thing from Ukraine. It's just a case of which slave master is more tolerable: Ukraine chose NATO!

WATCHOVER:
Go and do your Research, do you know how many nations Russia has helped, Russians don't make noise like UK and United States.
If not for Russia support Nigeria would have broken up

Simple prayer for you and you are throwing tantrums of explanations!
May friendly neighbors like Russia headed by Putin give their kind of helps to you all around your life!

I said:
May you have friendly neighbours like Russia and Putin all around your life: I'm sure you will act wiser than the comedian president of Ukraine!

Note:
It is okay to hate NATO and the USA (for their deceptive behaviours), but in this case it is immoral to hate an sovereign nation like Ukraine in the face of external aggression!

WATCHOVER:
Zelensky will be fought for Using Ukraine to gamble.
When I said Russia economy will become stronger, I met it

May you have friendly neighbours like Russia and Putin all around your life: I'm sure you will act wiser than the comedian president of Ukraine!

Elvictor:
Russia have not started attacking Kyiv, and the claim that Ukraine forces have started reclaiming the territory they lost to Russians is just wishful thinking, sit tight.

It will be a shame if Anthony Joshua cannot beat me in the opening rounds of a boxing match. Even if he now knocks me out in round 12, I am the VICTOR!

May every aggressive Bully be put to great shame in Jesus name

Cyntie55:
Why are countries not sanctioning Ukraine? Please note I'm not supporting Russia, but both countries are destroying innocent lives and properties.

So, why sanctioning only Russia, and portray Ukraine as Saint? If you claim Ukrainians are defending her mother's land, so do you expect Russians to be looking like mumu? They should sanctions both countries.

Let's say No to war.

Did you read your writeup?
Why should Ukraine be sanctioned?
Did they intrude into Russia?

Nukilia:
I an excited you have a good understanding of the situation. Thank you for your submissions.

You are welcome!
I wish Ukrainians true freedom and peace !

Rastaramsey:
Ukraine is still standing very strong
Don't let the media keep deceiving you bro.....

5 years after the war, Ukraine won't still recover.....

And you think Russia will recover economically after 15 years!?

Nukilia:
I agree with you on a bully, but America is the bully here! Why deceive Ukraine to fight with Russia? Putin must jail zelensky and teach Ukrainians a lesson.

Both America and Russia are the bully! America's bullying is INDIRECT while Russian's bullying is direct.

Both of them desired to install a Ukrainian Leader sympathetic to their cause. America was interested in financial profiting from Ukraine. Russia was interested in political dominance over Ukraine.

In 2014, Ukraine expelled their Pro-Russian president (who sacrificed long term benefit of Ukraine for a sum of money from Russia).

Russia got angry and
1. Annexed Crimea
2. Sponsored the Donbas regions to demand independence from Ukraine

Ukraine felt threatened by the big Russia AND they felt that a solution to this harassment from Russia is if they joined NATO.

Russia is now disturbed: they remembered how NATO said "we will not expand eastward towards Russia". Now, Ukraine is doing everything to join NATO.

Russia is not good with international politics. No nation is an island.

The Difference between USA and Russia!?
America will exploit a country INDIRECTLY while doing little things for the country

Russia will exploit a country DIRECTLY while exerting dominance on the country

Nukilia:
Zelensky destroyed Ukraine and he must pay dearly for the loss of lives.
Putin will make sure any disgruntled country is taught a lesson they will never forget.
Never side with the enemy of Russia.

Today Zelensky wants to talk, tomorrow he's requesting for EU, US, NATO support. What a confused soul failing to protect the lives of Ukrainians.

The twisted minds quoting me should continue their palmwine business and focus on Buhari and the Almajiri crew

I can never forget a day (in secondary school) when I stood up to a big much older bully in my class: the shock on his face was indescribable. From that they, I earned my respect from him as he never dared bully me again.
One-for-one, he could have beaten me blue-black BUT here I am today: I wear my stripes like a champion.

If Buhari with his Federal might choose to humiliate me, I will fight him with everything I've got (including my teeth if possible): I fear no one!
I ill not surrender without a fight!
I will not surrender after a fight!!

WATCHOVER:
Thank God they our law makers are now beginning to feel the heat and getting sense . If the coins was still in circulation inflation rates would not have been this high. No nation economy succeeds without the coins

The neglect of coins is simply because of the massive inflation.
How many N1 coin will buy you a single sweet or biscuit in Nigeria: money is supposed to be a convenience in use

Excuzeme:
No need getting Personal and Emotional.
You should be able to engage in an "anonymous, online discussion" without resorting to ad hoemien attacks on your fellow discussant.

But if it makes you happy, l say "Amen" to your prayer....
........ since l know that l wont be that kind of "Ukrainian neighbour" that connives with the "sworn enemies of my neighbour", to put the life and existence of my neighbour in jeopardy.

Then so be it (AMEN)!
There is nothing emotional about it
It proves just one thing: that Russia is such an exceptionally nice neighbour and is not at fault for this senseless carnage.
Even when Ukraine has said that they understand that they cannot be a part of NATO, the friendly neighbour wants more
1. A surrender (stop fighting)
2. Recognition of Crimea as part of Russia
3. Relinquishment of the Donbas Region

It is unfortunate that the friendly Russia foreign policies pushed Ukraine away into NATO's waiting hands.

Note: I don't support NATO or the USA in this problem, as to them its just business and Ukraine is just a collateral damage. But the issue is not between Russia and Ukraine, it is between Russia and NATO!

Excuzeme:
First, there are a lot of Ukrainians who dont want the current Govt in power. These group will provide the Man Power
There are also swaths of Ukrainaians who want out of Ukraine (independence). These group will manage their own territory by themselves

This is not true. About 26% of Ukrainians are ethnic Russians and they live more in the Donbas regions.

Excuzeme:
The Mayor that was seized by Russia, was already replaced by another Ukrainian Mayor and she was glad to take Power!
There are many like that.

And Ukrainians have accepted the new mayor as their mayor!?
What was the offence of the first mayor?

Excuzeme:
All Russia needs to do is provide the "Small Force" to back-up such "New Power Bloc" and Population.
Dont forget that Ukraine is not a homogeneous Society, the current Govt has treated some of its Russian-Speaking Citizens so badly that they would do anything to ensure such Govt does nto come back to Power, especially when they have the military backing of a victorious Russia.

More than 70% of Ukrainians are ethnic Ukrainians.
How come most of the men are staying behind to defend Ukraine?

Excuzeme:
Right now, Zelenskyy is ACCEPTING all the thing she vowed not to accept before, for example, he has agreed that Ukraine will never join NATO. he has accepted that "Russian" will be made a National language (after banning it initially), etc.

Meaning that the initial demand of Putin was a smoke screen: else the war would have been over by now.

I want to pray for you that all your life and in all your endeavours, you will have a friendly neighbours like Russia headed by Putin. Can I hear you say amen!?
Putin obviously mean well for Ukraine.

ken6488:
do you know the amount of land taken from Ukraine

If this town falls

Ukraine become land locked

You said:

ken6488:
do you know the amount of land taken from Ukraine

If this town falls

Ukraine become land locked

It is not about the size of land taken over it is about the people's willingness to SUBMIT to the Russians: which for now is highly unlikely.

Russia will be bogged down in Ukraine as long as they occupy their land while their economy also stuffers form the sanctions

ken6488:
do you know the amount of land taken from Ukraine

If this town falls

Ukraine become land locked

It doesn't work like that. How many boots on ground do you think Putin need to OCCUPY a place and maintain law and order?
Can they take care of insurrections that will follow?

Even Nigeria know that they cannot annex Benin Republic without their conscent!

rajiedreez:
Which preceded which between the present day Israel and Palestine

Israel preceded the Palestinian.

The Romans named the region around Israel Palestine as a way to "de-Israelize" the region.

The Palestinian were never a kingdom until this 20th century. If you doubt this, what is the name of their first king or ruler and when?