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Truthseeker10:
answer my question too because you were the ine that quoted Ephesians 2:8.

So if the thief had no works...how could he be saved through faith according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26?

Truthseeker10:
So if the thief had no works...how could he be saved through faith according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26?

Truthseeker10:
So do you now agree that we need works to be saved through faith?

Truthseeker10:
So If a person cannot be saved without faith in Christ, explain James 2:26.

King James Bible
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

TenQ:
The explanation is simple!

1. Faith is NOT the same as Believing
2. Faith is Trust in the Integrity of God or a Personality that produces a Requisite Action.
Eg. Hebrews 11
By Faith Abraham (action)
By Faith Enoch (action)
By Faith Rehab (action)
By Faith Moses (action) etc

Believing is an Affirmation or otherwise of the Heart for a position for things where knowledge is not 100% perfect.
Eg.
I believe Jesus was Crucified on the Cross
I believe Jesus had 12 main Disciples.
I believe Nigeria will hold an election in 2027
I believe the Church in Nigeria will keep growing


So,
Jam 2:26:
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

James is saying that IF you CLAIM to have Faith BUT we CANNOT SEE the Requisite ACTION , then you CANNOT claim to have FAITH as your claimed FAITH does NOT EXIST (it is DEAD)

This is the meaning sir!

Truthseeker10:
what do you mean by spiritual body? Do spiritual bodies cool their tongues with water?

Truthseeker10:
So where are they now since they've died without knowing Christ?

Truthseeker10:
You quoted the verse below earlier.
Ephesians 2:8.

King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Can we be saved without faith according to the verse above?

Truthseeker10:
So you mean that people go to this prisons with their physical bodies? if not, tell me why the rich man was asking for water to cool his tongue?

Truthseeker10:
So how come you are now deciding how God will Judge when Jesus made it clear that you cannot enter into the kingdom of God without being born again?

Truthseeker10:
Explain James 2:26 below.
NIV
26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Truthseeker10:
1)So according to your explanations, those who do not know Christ before they died are in prison? If yes, where is this prison?

Truthseeker10:
2) are you saying that people can actually go to heaven without knowing Christ and that God will just Judge them with their conscience?

Gabrielshow24:
They can't answer, they will run away that's how they do. It's their Mo🥱.

Nice work. Keep exposing such lies!

Lukuluku69:
The malady is back. Full swing.

Lukuluku69:
Why do you repeat the Lord's Prayer if the last one you recited has been answered?

Let us start from there.

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 6:9-15 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The Prayer above is it to be recited just once in a Christian life? Daily? Monthly? Annually?

Sterope:
You ask why Muslims pray to be guided to the straight path every day. But perhaps your real question should have been: why does anyone pray at all?

People pray for health, for success, for protection, or simply for strength to do what is right. In Islam, that daily prayer X 5 is a reminder that righteousness isn’t a fixed state because life isn't, and life is about continuous striving; it’s something you keep working towards. The Qur’an repeats that faith/righteousness is not words alone but consistent and continuos actions guided by sincerity and humility.

Muslims ask for guidance every day because we recognise how easily people can lose their way. Even believers, no matter how devout, can drift from truth without constant reflection and discipline. It is beyond repetition but a constant spiritual reminder that every choice, every moment, can either align us with truth or pull us away from it.

Interestingly, the your Bible carries a similar principle: “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” That line from the Lord’s Prayer mirrors the same human need for continuous guidance and moral steadiness as well.

Again, your question doesn’t surprise me. Debates with certain Christians are always revealing, they either ask questions that make you wonder whether they’ve truly read the Bible, or ones that sound more like the arguments of atheists like this question.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Deity don't set themselves up, adherents do. Just like the Nicene Creed set up your Jesus as a rival to the One that sent him. Are you that slow to know that?

The same way you don't know whether Jesus mission to the prison of Judgement was a success or a failure is the same way I don't know whether it is the Osun people or the Osugbo people that preached the name Eledumare.

Lukuluku69:
Before you go off the bend as usual, I never mentioned Obatala, Esu Odara, Osun Osogbo in my reply but move closer to the adherents of these people you referenced and ask them about who Eledumare/Olodumare is and learn from them. I am Yoruba, and I don't need any Osun Osogbo person/people to tell me who Eledumare is or who my Eleda (Creator) is.

So, feel free to write your usual stuff. That one no concern me.

Lukuluku69:
And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all] Quran 40:78.

You want me to name the Prophets/Messengers sent to Africa? Read the above verse again. That said, I don't know the tribe you came from in Africa/Nigeria but I know that it was not the Arabs or Europeans that preached a Divine Being to the Yorubas and I have done a bit of research, what I found out is that, a certain Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects) was preached, who is the Eleda (Creator) Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun who is also the Supreme Being of the Host of Heaven.

I am sure when you research other tribes, someone must have preached the Divine being to them and they are not the Semites.

Lukuluku69:
Your understanding of Spiritual knowledge is so HIGH yet you don't know what transpired in the Prison of Judgement? You don't know of the inmates reception to what was preached and it is my own knowledge that is LOW?

Surah An-Nahl (16:36): "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid taghut.' And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers."

That's how everyone will be judged on Judgement Day. Your reception to that message.

Lukuluku69:
He spent Three (3) earth days to preach in the Prison of Judgment but spent Three years to preach only in Judea? Okay. Good of him.

So, you don't know if he was also rejected as the Jews did of his earthly mission? Okay.

I could have asked you to open another thread as usual to know how Allah will judge people on the day of Judgement of people before Islam but if you have ever comprehend what Islam teaches all along, you would have known that YOUR FAITH IN ALLAH AND YOUR WORKS will stand you in good stead with Allah regardless of the time you walked Allah Crust.

Lukuluku69:
So, for how long did he preach in that Prison of Judgement? Can you also tell us the reception of those in that prison was to Jesus preaching?

Lukuluku69:
Then again, what happened to the Incas, the Commanches, Cheneyes etc who lived and died before Jesus message could get to them?

What about those who lived in Africa before the Europeans brought Jesus message? Was that Prsion visit suffices for admission to Heaven?

helinues:
Spiritual location like Milky way Galaxy, Andromeda Galaxy?

Of all the infinite planets that we have, why should planet earth be special

Lukuluku69:
So, those that lived and died before Christ will not see Heaven according to this logic of yours?

helinues:
You people are yet to tell us where this heaven and hell of a thing is located

AntiChristian:


Grace or works?

Abi na grace and works?

Too many wàhálà!

CoronaVirusPro:
Everyone inherited religion and I must applaud His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR) for saying the truth.

Henceforth, we must desist from doing same to our children. Brainwashing them with sky daddy stories about how a man died for their sins in the Middle East.

We must start introducing them to the marvels of science and technology and how it transitioned, and the possible future.

The notion of stuffing the brains of young kids with fictional religious stories must stop if the country intends to be competitive in the future.

Religious studies should be banned in all primary and tertiary institutions. We can’t keep telling kids how a man used one fish and a loaf to feed 40,000 people. It’s utmost stupidity.

CoronaVirusPro:
Some people will start taking Tramadol about how people choose to live their life’s and find happiness.

If they happy as a couple so be it! Congratulations to them!

Onlinetutor7:
Most Hamas sympathizers actually don't rate nor love the people of Gaza. It's all about hate for Israel. They will prefer the War continues so they can keep shouting genocide.

Sellfish:
Donald hustling tooth-and-nail for his Nobel Peace Prize

Hustle recognizes Hustle

After Hamas releases the hostages, and then US/Israel renege on their own part of the agreement, who will the Palestinians cry to?..the now-impotent UN?

Bullshitter Donald bullshitting the Hamaz bullshitters..the real "American Hustle"

Ekrenji:
Ah, nawa o

Ekrenji:
Please mention me when you make the post, the other person I am following advocatejare has not been active again, he was constantly complaining that they were deleting his posts too

I will follow u now