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chiagozien:
It won't stop him from hating Igbos.




They are taught from kids by their parents to hate omo Igbos.

Thomasankara:
[/color]This will only stop when Nigeria stop training terrorists, he's a soldier that went AWOL, Methinks the NDA should be relocated to the South, because the NDA is too accessible to the terrorists [color=#770077]

Biodun556:
https://saharareporters.com/2025/11/12/sheikh-gumi-accuses-middle-belt-groups-fabricating-christian-genocide-burying-empty

"He wrote, “A Doctor wrote me: Do you know that some Middle Belt Christian groups are now staging fake mass killings? They are burying empty coffins and recording the process as if real victims were killed, just to push the narrative of a Christian genocide. This is desperation at its peak. A disgrace. Manipulating information just to provoke hatred and international sympathy?”

honesttalk21:
These are my attempt to address your questions which border on core fundamentals between the practiced Christian faith and the doctrine of Islam.

I do not write to diminish anyone's faith, but to articulate why I, as a Muslim, understand divine mercy differently than who I term Christian neighbors. These are convictions born from revelation, and I offer them respectfully for interfaith dialogue.

honesttalk21:
The Qur'an speaks with clarity on the matter of the crucifixion of Jesus saying "They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him but it was made to appear so to them... Rather, Allah raised him to Himself (4:157–158). This isn't a historical revision crafted centuries later; it's what we believe to be divine clarification of a profound misunderstanding.

I recognize that Christian tradition holds the crucifixion as historical bedrock, witnessed and recorded. But for Muslims, revelation supersedes human testimony. The very concept that God's honoured messenger,a man who healed the sick and raised the dead by Allah's permission could be subjected to such humiliation contradicts our understanding of divine justice. What matters most in our view is not the mechanics of what onlookers saw, but the theological truth. Allah saved His prophet and vindicated His message.

honesttalk21:
The doctrine of atonement that Jesus died for humanity's sins strikes at something fundamental in Islamic theology. The Qur'an declares: No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another (6:164). This principle runs through our entire moral framework like a golden thread.

honesttalk21:
Consider what this means in Islam, God's justice cannot allow an innocent person to suffer for the guilty. His mercy doesn't require a blood price. When Adam sinned, he repented and was forgiven,no sacrifice needed. When David erred, he sought forgiveness and received it. When Jonah fled his duty, he called out from the belly of the whale and was saved. In each case, repentance opened the door to divine mercy directly.

I understand that Christians see the cross as the supreme demonstration of love with God paying the debt Himself. But I must ask: If God is truly omnipotent, why does He need payment at all? In Islam, forgiveness isn't a transaction. It's an act of pure mercy from the One who needs nothing from us. To my mind, requiring bloodshed even divine bloodshed to activate mercy seems to limit God's sovereignty rather than magnify it.

You and some others point to a hadith in Sahih Muslim (2767) that mentions disbelievers being a ransom for Muslims on the Day of Judgment. Doesn't this contradict our rejection of substitutionary atonement?

Context matters deeply here. Islamic scholars like Imam al-Nawawi have clarified that this hadith doesn't describe anyone bearing another's sins. The disbelievers mentioned face consequences for their own rejection of truth, not as payment for Muslims' wrongdoing. The term fidā' (ransom) describes a comparative outcome, a protection by contrast, not a transfer of guilt. This must be read alongside the Qur'an's explicit principle that each soul is accountable for itself alone.

honesttalk21:
The Qur'an doesn't identify who was made to appear like Jesus on the cross and honestly, that's not the point. The substitution isn't about atonement theology; it's about divine protection. God intervened to prevent the unjust execution of His prophet. This is fundamentally different from Christian substitution, where an innocent dies to accomplish salvation. In the Islamic view, someone may have been substituted, but this was to prevent injustice, not to achieve redemption.

The focus remains on God's power to rescue His messenger from those who sought to destroy him. It's a story of divine vindication, not vicarious suffering.

honesttalk21:
Christians often point to the Qur'an's description of Jesus as a spirit from Him (4:171) as evidence of divinity. But in Arabic, minhu (from Him) in context of it's use here indicates origin from Allah's command, not essence from His being. The Qur'an says of Adam that Allah breathed into him of His spirit (15:29) some even specify created spirit, yet no one claims Adam is divine. Every human possesses a spirit given by Allah (32:9), yet we remain creatures.

When the Qur'an calls Jesus His word which He conveyed to Mary, it refers to the creative command Be, through which God brought Jesus into existence without a father. This is miraculous, yes but miracle doesn't equal divinity. The ruh is created by Allah's will, not a fragment of His eternal essence.

honesttalk21:
Christians see the cross as where divine justice and mercy intersect. God satisfying His own justice by taking the punishment Himself. It's meant to show the depths of divine love. I appreciate the beauty Christians find in this narrative.

But from where I stand, this creates a problem it purports to solve. If God is both the offended party and the judge, why does He need to satisfy justice through suffering? Can't He simply forgive? Islam answers: Yes, He can, and He does. His mercy doesn't require bloodshed because His authority is absolute. Requiring a sacrifice even a divine one seems to place constraints on God that don't belong there.

Christianity teaches that God loved the world so much that He paid the price Himself. Islam teaches that God is so merciful that He forgives without requiring any price at all.

honesttalk21:
Both traditions speak of love. Both speak of mercy. But Islam insists on something more: the absolute oneness of God. He begets not, nor is He begotten, and there is none comparable to Him (112:3-4). This is the pure monotheism that defines Islamic faith. We cannot compromise this for any theological convenience.

In our view, forgiveness isn't purchased. It isn't transferred. It isn't achieved through cosmic transactions. It is given freely, perfectly, directly by the One who is utterly self-sufficient and infinitely merciful. When we turn to Him in sincere repentance, we find Him already turning toward us with mercy.

This is the Islam I know: a faith where the door to divine forgiveness is never locked, where no priest or sacrifice stands between the servant and the Lord, where mercy is God's defining attribute, and where His oneness is never compromised.

I hope this explains why, for Muslims, the path to God's mercy must remain direct, unmediated, and anchored in the absolute unity of the Divine.

BlackfireX:
My brother just to be cleared are you saying Jews and christian are a MUST RANSOM for Muslims to leave hell and go to heaven?

Is that right or is a wishful thinking or is a lie to keep all Muslim there in for ever?


So Muslims do need saviours in this case Jews and christains

A christian will be there ransome money until Allah release them from hell he had kidnapped them?


All this doesn't make sense?

Which further exposes Islam Allah Muhammad hadiths Muslims


Because in Muslims answering one question, 2 more errors and lies pop up


Who is been deceived here?

Muslims?

You ?

BlackfireX:
بِاسْمِ الآبِ وَالاِبْنِ وَالرُّوحِ القُدُس

(Bismi al-Ab, wa al-Ibn, wa al-Ruh al-Qudus).

One thing with sin is that THE ETERNAL ONE abhor sins if it is found in Adam he will be Punished, David no matter how loved will be Punished, In moses he didn't get to the promise land ...on christ on the Cross ...sin must be Punished, someone has to pay for it because God is a just judge
In our African tradition we believe when the gods are angry because of evil and wickedness, they demand justice and to avert it someone or something will be used for the sacrifice to appease the gods.

VERDICT : SIN MUST BE PUNISHED, SOMEONE HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR SOMEONE TO BE FREE FROM THE PUNISHMENT

For centuries now Muslims Allah Muhammad accused the Christians on there concept of salvation of a man dying on the cross ➕ for someone's else sin is absurd , ludicrous and wickedness.

Christain belief: is that God sent his SON who came down in human form through a virgin birth lived a sinless life , did outstanding miracles and signs , crucified on the cross and resurrected, appeared to hundreds of people for 40 days and ascended to Heaven and promised to came back to take his own ( dead or alive) to be with Him.... and other events ... all this prophesied in the old and new testament.

Now Allah Muhammad Quraan and hadith mocked, belittled and called it a lie,
1. That Jesus was just a mere man and a messenger at best
2.that Jesus didn't died , that Allah made it seem so ( till today they haven't told us who died)
3.that the christ dying on the calvary is a lie
4 that everyone will carry there own sins
5.what will make a Muslim go to heaven is Believing only Allah is god and Muhammed is his messenger.

I hope you all are following my topic, now the story now changed...I have asked Muslims to explain this in the light of the truth, how do you reconcile this , and any Muslim here can help out

In Sahih Muslim ( an authentic acceptable doings and sayings of Muhammed, Allah) 2767

it will be the Day of Resurrection, Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: 'That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.'"
​Sahih Muslim 2767b (Another part of the same Hadith): "No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire."
​Another narration mentions: "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians."


This is very interesting
This opens up questions
This is exposes who have been lying
This means alot
In the subsequent discussion we will see more
Any Muslim in the house to explain

Shukraan


Calling
Shida, antislaam ,AntiChristian, tunde1200, islamicViRGiN, tenQ, jimhroh

Luckysbab:
You're asking crap questions. You really don't think I will engage that.

Luckysbab:
Use Gemini

Luckysbab:
Use ChatGPT

Luckysbab:
Imagine an olodo trying to teach a Muslim what Islam is about.

The audacity to try and constitute an authority over a subject you don't know about is crazy.

Nteogwuija:
Lol, I guess you have a proof that the uncaused first cause is God.

Like I said, science is still evolving. The things we thought were impossible 20yrs ago now looks like childs play. I'm more of an open minded person with a simple mind, that's y I tend to accept proof against general knowledge, or should I say dogma, without scientific backing.

If a scientific report came out in the future, while I'm still alive, and says they've discovered the truth about the universe and its God who owns the universe, who am I to object. If it says something else, still, who am I to object?

Until then, I stay open minded.

Nteogwuija:
I'm not saying anything on authority. I'm simply saying that just because there's a gap in our knowledge today, then the answer is God.

If you have proof beyond doubt, it's left for u to tender them and end the argument.

Lol, so if the Evidence of the Universe is God, then how did God come about?

Or you want to say the concept of no something out of nothing ends when u place God in the equation?

You see why I say we'd just keep going back and forth.

Nteogwuija:
Science is still evolving, and in the years to come there might be answers to these questions. But for now, they're still no proof of a God. You can't just say because u have no answers to these questions now, then it has to be God.

Nteogwuija:
As for Adam and Eve. Your Bible said they were naked when God created them and they didn't know until they ate the fruit.

The fruit was pleasant to Eve does not mean she knew what was good or evil. Besides, she only thought about the fruit because a serpent convinced her.

The serpent stuff is a story for another day.

Nteogwuija:
"God will no more be the Source of the Knowledge of what is Good and What is Evil BUT themselves."

Where did this come from? Or is it one of those statements u guys make to excuse God?

If God was the source of knowledge of what is Good and What is bad, can we say the serpent convincing Eve to eat the fruit was an extension of God's evil?

Cuz before they ate the fruit there was no evil?

So how was the serpent able to know that the fruit was going to expose them to knowledge?

Nteogwuija:
We'll be going back and forth with this argument. The fact that you don't know God, what he is or what he looks like, except from the pictures painted by the White man, but claim to somehow know what he or she thinks, makes ur argument flawed.

You don't even know the intention of the person sitting close to you right now, and you claim u know the intention of a diety you're not sure of his or her existence.

Nteogwuija:
To your question:

Nteogwuija:
If l created a robot for the sole purpose of dishwashing, but the robot, instead of dishwashing, went on to try and fix the electricity in my house(acting independently) and consequently set the house on fire, then I have failed woefully as the programmer.

Nteogwuija:
So, no, the highest creation of an AI robot is one that was created to perform a specific task and it does it satisfactorily.

Miosofune:
Let me correct you;
Islam had existed long before the existence of our dear lovely Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The prohet only came to teach and spread Islam to the people in attestation to what the previous (other) prophets had brought to the people. Every human being is born as a Muslim. For this, Burn Boy didn't converted but reverted because he was born as a Muslims only his parent changed it after child birth.

Luckysbab:
Islam is to submit entirely to the will of the Supreme Being, regardless of the appellation it used to be known as.

Like in the time of Abraham, that was described as Hanif.

Almunjid:
I understand that my previous write-up may have hurt you deeply, and for that, I apologize. I empathize with your feelings. This is the kind of misunderstanding that Muslims often face here every day, especially because of a few unscrupulous individuals claiming to be jihadists—leading many to wrongly condemn all of us.

You are correct when you say that children receive an automatic ticket to heaven because they are pure of heart and innocent, and God would not punish them for sins they know nothing about. My earlier response was based on my experiences with Christian preachers in my youth, who would preach that if we failed to believe Jesus died for our sins or accept him, we were destined for hell. I remember wondering what I had done at such a young age to earn God’s anger, and that His peace could only come if I accepted Jesus. As Muslims, we believe in Jesus but regard him as a prophet, and our judgment will be by Jehovah, who sent Jesus—not by man.

Regarding your opinion about destiny, I believe you are mistaken because destiny is real. Much of what happens on earth is already predestined by the Creator. This explains why some individuals can foresee events and make prophecies. Do you think anything truly new happens in God’s eyes? Everything is simply unfolding according to His will. God’s plan for your life is your destiny. As the Quran says, "Man proposes, and God disposes" (Quran 76:30). Similarly, the Bible states in Proverbs 16:9, "In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps." Even Jesus himself had to submit to God’s will (Matthew 26:39). Isaiah 46:10 also states: "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." So, God is not watching new things unfold—His plan is simply being realized.

More broadly, what you are and everything about you has been destined by God. This is why sorcerers sometimes seem to know intimate details about your life, your identity, and your future. They are not supernatural beings but are reading signs that God has already written—for example, some believe that much of our life’s path is written on our palms, although few can interpret it. With spiritual knowledge (ilmu ruhani), even a little information such as your name and your mother’s name can reveal much about your past, present, and future (though such practices are forbidden in Islam). They can describe many life events, including details about your spouse and children.

As for whether one is destined for heaven or hell, Islam teaches that much is already recorded about you. God has predestined many aspects of life—only a few are within our control. The Bible echoes this in Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

What can change our destiny? Only the One who predestined it can change it—when we pray sincerely and He answers, our destiny may be altered according to His will.


Shalom!

Nteogwuija:
You're not getting the point here.

I made that point on the premise that God is perfect, he's omniscience, and omnipresent.

So if I had all these God-like qualities, I'd know whether or not my software acting independently would cause harm to it, then I'd act accordingly.

I'd accept your argument if you tell them that the Bible is all lies, and that God is not what the Bible claims he or she to be.

Nteogwuija:
You're making these points based on your personal hunch about the concept of God, not based on logic, or at the least, what your infallible Bible says.

Nteogwuija:
You say humans are insignificant, yet your Bible said God made man in his own image and likeness. Does it make sense to you that such product would be insignificant?

Nteogwuija:
You said "God choose". You don't even have any proof that God exist. You don't even know what he or she(that's if they're humans) looks like, yet you know what their thought process is.

Nteogwuija:
God did not intend to create robots. Your Bible said Adam and Eve were created naked without knowing what's good or evil. Isn't that a robot?

Nteogwuija:
So Christianity claims God is perfect and then he made man out of his image. But u look at the world today, humans do not look like a product from a perfect God.

The default answer is that God gave humans free will.

So a programmer(who's perfect) is creating an app and knows that if he introduced a particular feature, that feature is going to introduce bugs to the app.

The most logical thing for the "perfect" programmer to do is avoid that feature. But if he must use the feature, he'd ensure that he checks that feature, reconfigure it to ensure that it doesn't introduce bugs to the app in the future.

My point is that, since God is perfect and all-knowing, he sees the end from the beginning, he or she would have known that giving man free will would be at man's detriment.

Most funny part is that he gave man freewill and cast man into damnation for exercising the freewill. Most illogical thing anyone can do.

More like telling your teenage daughter that she's free to do whatever she think feels good to her. You're giving her freewill. And then she gets pregnant, comes to the house, and then you throw her out of the house.

Also, like watching your toddler put his hand on a burning candle, he cries after getting burnt. And then u scold the toddler for touching the burning candle.

How do u respond to this?

Also note:

You don't need to call me back to religion. Again, I can't trade my peace of mind, post religion, for anything.

Nteogwuija:
Lol, I used to be a Christian, but I had a lot of questions. Whenever I tried to get clarifications, I was told that somethings were beyond understanding and that I should just accept things as they were and stop questioning.

For my peace of mind, I had to leave Christianity and decided to live my life outside the realm of religion. The peace of mind post this decision I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Rashduct4luv:
There's no sense in what you wrote! Just bunkum!

Codepain:
But this isn’t what the b1afra ter0r1sts that lobby DT Want
They want DT to b0mb Hausa/Fulani, remove Yoruba govt that is in power, install Peter Obi and Free NNamdi Kanu
This is a really waste of money if the picture is the end results

BlackViper:
Sources: EU Commission DG-TRADE Oct 2025, Nigerian Customs Service, Shell/Total Q3 reports.

https://x.com/ruffydfire/status/1985946114600657111?t=GDeGOwMfgGH4zgAe4615aA&s=19[/quote]Whose fault?

Did we ask them the buy anything from us?
Did they beg us to buy anything from them?

FreeStuffsNG:
No course is useless. What JAMB is saying is that you don't deny those who want that course you consider as useless

If you don’t want to stay at home, quit social media and study very hard to secure a place on the merit list of your preferred course and institution or take the option of distance learning education if you fail.

Top University Education is very competitive everywhere in the world. Now JAMB has leveled the children of the poor and children of the rich and powerful. Let's commmend JAMB and FG.

chiagozien:
https://saharareporters.com/2025/11/04/us-bombing-bandits-nigeria-will-worsen-killings-best-solution-negotiation-them-sheikh?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR7P8AK_kSw689UIC_dMzcX-7EXZDI8FKsavD3JVfKa3CoeFgqinQtWsTPeJCA_aem_jFsO1n433fPDXRsfALpuag

FreeStuffsNG:
Have you considered that if you declare, it may probably limit you only to only forfeiture of both admissions and no criminal prosecution for false declaration 🤔

FreeStuffsNG:
https://nairametrics.com/2025/11/04/jamb-introduces-mandatory-admission-status-disclosure-for-2026-utme-applicants/

Shidda:
Interesting that one was posted just before this.

Anyways, I was surprised to see a thread I made a long time ago resurface, and then I look at it and found it was just arguements and justifications. When it comes to these arguments, two statements come to mind.
The first is from Imām Mālik (رحمه الله), who said:
> “Whenever a man comes to us more skilled in argument than another, should we then abandon what Jibrīl brought to Muḥammad ﷺ because of his debating skill?”
Like really think about that.

And the second is from Imām al-Shāfiʿī (رحمه الله):
> “Whenever I argued with an ignorant person, he defeated me; but when I debated with a scholar, I defeated him.”
Meaning: You can’t win with ignorance, because the ignorant don’t seek truth. And they come up with all kinds of falsehoods to justify their points. This is not new, Allah said:
“And those who disbelieve argue with falsehood, to refute therewith the truth. And they treat My Ayāt, and that with which they are warned, as jest.”
— [Sūrat al-Kahf, 18:56]
The truth is there’s no real point in trying to “win” an argument. Because most of the time, people aren’t searching for truth — they’re just inflating their ego.
And when two desires clash, there’s no agreement. Islam came with truth, and the truth is meant to lead you toward what benefits you. After that, it’s your choice whether to accept it or turn away.
Allah said:
“Whoever does righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his ownself; and whoever does evil, it is against his ownself; and your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves.”
— [Sūrat Fuṣṣilat, 41:46]
If someone sincerely wants to know whether Islam is true, that’s a different matter, and you can speak to them, clarify, and invite them gently. But most arguments aren’t like that. You can tell from people’s words and tone that they’re not really looking for truth. Here’s the thing: when someone wants to reject something, it doesn’t matter if you bring them a hundred proofs — they’ll still find a reason to deny it. Likewise, when someone wants to justify something, they’ll always find an excuse for it. Allah said:
“And even if We had sent down unto them the angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allāh willed; but most of them behave ignorantly.”
So at the end of the day, what are you trying to achieve? If you’re defending Islam, know that no statement of theirs will as much as brush it. And if you’re defending your ego, you follow the true religion with the greatest proofs & justifications, then that’s not what Islam came to teach. Allah created you for a purpose, and if you fulfill that purpose, you’ve succeeded.
When you reflect on the Qur’an, you see that Allah calls you toward goodness — to be aware of Him, to do deeds that please Him, to guard yourself from Shayṭān and his whispers, and to stay away from what leads to evil.
Allah says in Sūrat az-Zumar (39:9):
Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: “Are those who know equal to those who know not?” It is only men of understanding who will remember

Allah describes a man who spends the night standing in prayer, prostrating before Him, fearing the Hereafter, and hoping for His mercy. Now think about that person — do you think he’ll give time to arguing about which religion is true or piling up proofs against others? No. His concern is with his own soul — his mistakes, his repentance, his fear of punishment and hope for forgiveness, his longing for Allah’s mercy.
If you know the history of the Prophets, then you know that this is simply history repeating itself. Like it’s said; History is simply people repeating the same mistake.

So when people start these arguments, the best thing to do is to simply ignore them. Hopefully, some will find benefit in this.
Was Salaam.