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Mattswaggz:Sorry sir! Be consistent with the Grammar! Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – You did not even address (the first use of believe in the verse) those who Believed (Muslims) also past tense. Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." Be consistent with the use of your grammar Believed is Past is Past Tense Just as Were is Past Tense So, my question again! IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believed ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense? *If according to you, the verse means that the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present to enter paradise. |
Zinpat:1. Fallen Angels are Angels that fell from Grace during or after Satan's Rebellion. 2. Demons are the spirits of Nephilims (Human-Angel Hybrid). The Nephilims were neither Human nor Angels. Gen 6:4 When Humans die, they go the place of the dead called Sheol consisting of two parts 1. The Place where Abraham is (Abraham's Bosom) 2. Hell (where the rich man is Note: 1. There is nowhere prepared for the Souls of Nephilims: thus they wander about the surface of the earth seeking habitation. Matthew 12:43 2. Because the Souls/Spirits of Nephilims used to be flesh and blood, they find solace in dwelling in living being/Humans. 3. Angels are complete by themselves. They do not need to INHABIT anyone to feel complete. 4. On the average, Demons are of low intelligence and power compared to even fallen Angels 5. Fallen Angels are in charge of Nations and Cities (Principalities and Powers) and they usually don't directly mess with humans unlike Demons. E.g. Prince of Persia Daniel 10:13 Jesus calls Demons Unclean Spirits probably because they are an unholy hybrid not directly created by God. |
Mattswaggz:Let me go with you. Isn't this verse stupid by itself? Why the verse Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." When it could have read Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." It looks like the author is below average in coherence of speech Thirdly, On Grammar as you are playing drama games Who ever Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – Why would those who Believed (past tense) in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness enter paradise? Note: I have agreed with you by the grammar BUT then you must apply the grammar throughout the verse. |
The average Muslim is a Believer in Fiction rather than Truth. Do they care for the Truth? No! Believing gives them a false sense of hope that Allah, Mohammed and the Qur'an will save them on the day of Judgment. Unfortunately, God gave them the SOLUTION which they REJECT vehemently: thus, they become sincerely LOST! |
Mattswaggz:Read the verse again. There were 1. Two sets of people ( the Muslims and The Jews, Christians with Sabians ) 2. Four groups mentioned all in the past tense ( the Muslims, the Jews, Christians with Sabians ) Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed (Muslims) and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah 1. Those who believe (Muslims) 2. AND the Jews 3. OR Christians 4. OR Sabians 5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness What is the meaning of AND as used in the verse? So, my question again! IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense? *If according to you, the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present. Islam is always problematic anyhow you look at it! SMH! |
CoronaVirusPro:I see a pained individual taking solace in licking his wounds after being stung by bees he agitated senselessly! |
God1000:Hamas could have released their hostages: this destruction would have not happened at this magnitude! Sorry!! |
Gotocourt:And in addition, a Legal transactions done with a minor is null and void! |
Lukgaf:A Muslim will see a working system He will do everything to enter the system After entering they system, he begins to change the system to his model Then the working system breaks down And the Muslim is looking for another working system to infect Federal Government College is a Secular non religious school! They have a code of conduct signed by all students Part of the conduct include the UNIFORMS A Muslim will know this yet get himself admitted to cause trouble. |
ajalawole:It's the problem when Woke people are appointed to head such an organisation. Everything will be messed up! |
Mattswaggz:This was why I asked you the question So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!? Does it even make sense? Those who were Muslims....! So, what are they now in the present tense? |
God1000:Because UN is openly Anti-Israel and openly Palestinian! |
Mattswaggz:So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!? Did you even read any Islamic Tafsir on this verse before commenting? SMH! |
Mattswaggz:Why are you changing the WERE to IS? Stick with the grammar Mattswaggz:So, you are even ignorant of the religion of Islam. Have a nice night! |
Mattswaggz:So, can you please explain how those who WERE Moslems and Jews and Sabians and Christians were going to paradise because BEFORE Islam, The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise? 2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise? 3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise? Mattswaggz:WERE is not the same as IS sir. If you convert to Islam you CEASE to be a Christian or Jew or Sabians. So. Allah should just have said, Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who are Muslims and believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." It seems my Qur'an is better than that of Mohammed. Is the above not a representation of what you wish Allah say? Is it not a clear speech devoid of conjured re-interpretations? Mattswaggz:Please go ahead, no one is stopping you. But before then, answer my questions. 1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell? 2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself? 3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them |
Mattswaggz:So, you've suddenly changed your mind about the use of "WERE" by Allah.!? Tell me, how would 1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise? 2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise? 3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise? Mattswaggz:It is understandable if humans have contradictions or even errors but can Allah make contradictions and Errors? I am just showing you from your own religious books how messed up Islam is. Do you admit that Islam is problematic? Let's look at the scripture you brought up. Rev 20:11-13: "And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, [which is] the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works." But this is the judgement of the Unbelievers at the second resurrection. Here God still judges the evil ones according to their works According to the Bible, there are TWO resurrections, 1. Resurrection of the Believers 2. Resurrection of the Unbelievers Evidence: Rev 20:4-5: "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection." Rev 20:6: "Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years." So. The punishment of Ritual Killers and Murderers wouldn't be the same as the ignorant person that lived according to his good conscience in hell. Do you think that God is UNJUST!? So, now that I have corrected your misunderstanding, 1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell? 2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself? 3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them |
Mattswaggz:Let me go with you, those who WERE Jews. Sabians and Christians before Islam. Tell me, how would 1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise? 2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise? 3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise? Islam is always problematic no matter how you look at it. If Babies in Islam can go to hell, how can an adult Muslim claim he has the way to Paradise? Mattswaggz:No sir! Complete falsehood! For Christians paradise is only by Grace because they Have Faith in Jesus. Eph 2:8: "For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God," Eph 2:9: "not of works, lest anyone should boast." The magnitude of your reward thereafter appreciate or depreciate according to your works. 1Cor 3:12-15: "And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare [it], because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is. If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire." |
yinkus6750:The difference is that it is difficult to compromise ASUU by bribery of the chief executives. A Policeman earns more than a Professor at the same Rank. World class results is expected from Lecturers while input is below third-world! Your Government doesn't even know why they have Tertiary institutions other than to keep the youths out of trouble! The problem is deeper than you think! |
Mattswaggz:Did I say anything to you about Islam without EVIDENCE? It is not about how you want the interpretation of the evidence to be, it is about what indeed the evidence says. So, what did Allah say in Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah 1. Those who believe (Muslims) 2. AND the Jews 3. OR Christians 4. OR Sabians 5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness So, tell me what happens to those who are not in these FIVE categories? Mattswaggz:The Islamic beliefs is often at variance with the Islamic texts. I go with what their texts say rather than what they claim to believe as a consensus. Islam is a patchwork of unsubstantiated claims that change by the consensus of interpretation of their scholars. The basis of Islam is the REJECTION of Trinity and it's substitution with Taoheed. Unknown to Muslims, the Taoheed by itself is a stupid doctrine that reduces Allah to the level of Iblis. The same Quran even claimed that ALL Muslims will initially enter hell fire before they are eventually removed by Allah. 1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to Enter the Fire Quran 19:71 There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire. Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا Quran 19:72 Then, We will save those who were cautious of us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees After ALL the Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire 2. Mohammed says that even Babies (who are supposed to be Muslims by Birth can go to Hell) a. Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435: Narrated Aisha: A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)? b. Sahih Muslim 2662c : Book 46, Hadith 47 'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins. When Aisha expresses her belief and expectation of happiness for the child that died, Muhammad disagrees and instead states that God has created some people for Hell. Obviously, this includes children: should children enter the fire of Hell? |
Mattswaggz:I am not a Muslim although, I almost converted into Islam at some point in my life but backed out after studying Islam thoroughly. I am a Christian saved by the Grace in Christ Jesus. |
LoneSoldier:It's simple. Women need security which is readily gotten from the good man. However, Women gravitate towards men with POWER. The good man doesn't necessarily have power Except the Woman has settled her relationship with her husband, it is difficult for her to resist advances from a Powerful man. It's just basic feminine psychology! |
Mattswaggz:.How can they be similar when they are so vastly different? It's like saying a Chicken and a Human being are similar! Does this make sense to you!? BTW: Only Christians teach that their WAY is the Only way to Paradise. Muslims include among those who will enter paradise as Jews, Sabians and Christians apart from Muslims. Quran 2:62 "Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." Hindus don't have any paradise. |
Mattswaggz:For Christians, Jesus Himself is the Way, Truth and Life Mattswaggz:Islam doesn't take Mohammed as the way, truth or life as Christians. In fact, in Islam, Allah himself is ON this way. Qur'an 11:56 "Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord (Allah) is on a straight path." In Hinduism, there is no concept of the Way, Truth and Life to paradise as paradise doesn't exist in Hinduism, Reincarnation and ultimately Nirvana is their destination through different kinds of Yoga. Even the most heretical Christian cult or organisation believe that JESUS is the Way, the Truth and Life. There exist no other Religion in the universe where their God came and made himself a sacrifice for humanity that people should be saved apart from Christianity! |
Mattswaggz:Your claim Mattswaggz:1. Those similar things specifically said to you 2. The religions in question that said the similar things |
Mattswaggz:I am more interested in your claims. I will probably need to look them up as many religions exist in this world. Over to you |
Mattswaggz:The point is , STATE YOUR CLAIMS ! All I did was to eliminate the obvious contenders for you Mattswaggz:Anyone can claim anything sir |
Mattswaggz:Can you please name the religions as it definitely isn't Islam or Judaism where a Personality is the Way, the Truth or the Life. Waiting!!! |
Truthseeker10:Please quote where I insinuated that I am a proponent of salvation without faith. Without this, there is no moving forward! How will you tell such lies and convince yourself about it enough to argue with such conjectures? It's easy: Quote my statements that suggest your manufactured position! |
Truthseeker10:Please quote exactly where I am the proponent of salvation without faith OTHERWISE consider this conversation a fraud! |
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