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blueAgent:
What are Demons, if not fallen Angel's?

honesttalk21:
I disagree with you. I don't dislike the truth even if a lot around me works on falsehood. Lies, corruption etc.

Of what use is one person sharing your view, I see some posts of Sterope and don't know which ones you say disappeared. Could it be Nairaand system that removed them as you falsely accuse me of being involved in?

Ohyoudidnt:
Please present reports of people doing solely this and validation that this alone is enough.

Ohyoudidnt:
I have challenged you to now say based on the powers and importance you give to the stone why just going to touch it or kiss it isn't enough for ardents to your view of it's power.


You cannot answer as the stupidity of your premises are now laid out to you.

Well I will stick to my older resolves about you

honesttalk21:
My not knowing isn't premise for you to invent a story then mockingly pinning it on Jibril isn't an argument.

Stick to verifiable truths not conspiracy jokes.

honesttalk21:
I don't know

Ohyoudidnt:
Is this your answer to my question emboldened here?



Tell me.

TenQ:
Don't change the embarrassing topic
Does the stone absorb sins?
Does the stone intercede for Muslims?

Is the Blackstone is the right hand of Allah?


You said the black stone doesn't absorb sin nor intercede!?
Who taught you that?

On Forgiveness of sin on touching the Blackstone

Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
It was narrated from Abdullah bin Ubaid bin Umair that a man said: "O Abu abdur-Rahman, why do I only see you touching these two corners?" He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' And I head him say: 'whoever circumambulates seven times, it is like freeing a slave.'"

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 959
Ibn Ubaid bin Umair narrated from his father:
"Ibn Umar was clinging on the two corners (in a manner that I had not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet doing) so I said: 'O Abu Abdur-Rahman! You are clinging on the two corners in a manner that I have not seen any of the Companions of the Prophet clining.' So he said: 'I do it because I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "Touching them atones for sins." And I heard him saying: "Whoever performs Tawaf around this House seven times and he keeps track of it, then it is as if he freed a slave." And I heard him saying: "One foot is not put down, nor another raised except that Allah removes a sin from him and records a good merit for him."


On intersession for you Muslims by the Blackstone

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that: The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 961
Ibn Abbas narrated that: The Messenger of Allah said about the (Black) Stone: "By Allah! Allah will raise it on the Day of Resurrection with two eyes by which it sees and a tongue that it speaks with, testifying to whoever touched it in truth."


Oya, thank me for teaching you the real Islam.



Tell me if this is NOT idolatry?
An Idol is a physical representation of a Deity who perform some of the functions of the Deity!

honesttalk21:
I disagree with you. I don't dislike the truth even if a lot around me works on falsehood. Lies, corruption etc.

Of what use is one person sharing your view, I see some posts of Sterope and don't know which ones you say disappeared. Could it be Nairaand system that removed them as you falsely accuse me of being involved in?

honesttalk21:
Of what use exactly is to me? It's not unusual to have Nairaand accounts become redundant or totally disappear. What's the big deal?

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣It surely is! We stand on the truth and not on lies🤤. We have survived critisms from all scholarship endeavors! While they cower and hide themselves.
Surely, the internet is the ’dea...’ of Is...lam

honesttalk21:
For your number of years and implied scientific savvy, you should know it is your tone, style of writing, perhaps colour variation and bolding that causes your post problems. Write differently but equally the same and see.
Stop false allegations as I have no relation to the anti spam or bot system on Nairaand.

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣It surely is! We stand on the truth and not on lies🤤. We have survived critisms from all scholarship endeavors! While they cower and hide themselves.
Surely, the internet is the ’dea...’ of Is...lam

SIRTee15:
I think it's unfair that Sterope's post were all deleted. I will appreciate if the mods can undelete her posts.

Let it be known we Christians are not afraid to defend our faith. It's a belief with objective evidence.

Ohyoudidnt:
Mangnimally ludicrous. Why not just say it's prayer that forgives sins.
Is it the prayer or the one who is prayed to that forgives?

You are trying too hard on terribly twisted understanding.

Didn't you see my response?



Anything about the Blackstone being at the right hand of God is fabrication.

Allah forgives minor sins as a reward for obedience and following the tradition of the prophet pbuh by performing wudu, praying salat, doing good deeds, touching the black stone. The forgiving is equated to erasing and no it's not the black stone that does this but Allah. Do you attempt to claim those who don't get to touch the Blackstone during pilgrimage or don't perform pilgrimage at all will not be forgiving their sins when they sincerely repent of them?


Major sins are not erased for sake of touching the black stone and require repentance.

The Stone is not divine; it is honored because Allah and His Messenger pbuh commanded honoring it.

PS: An idol can be anything that we love or prioritize more than God, including ideas, people, or even our own desires not just a physical representation of a deity.

Sterope:
TenQ

Jesus Is Not God

God is not His creation, and never will be. The Creator does not become the created. My God does not punish one soul for another’s sin. Why should I bear Adam’s guilt? In the Qur'an when God forgave Adam and his wife upon their repentance and not a sacrifice was required.

My God does not demand human.....,,, sacrifice for sins others committed. He forgives out of His mercy; He does not require an innocent to die for the guilty. No should shall bear the burden of another. My God is the Most Merciful to the truly repentant.

Sterope:
The Gospels and Their Authors
Much of what is claimed about Jesus comes from texts written decades later, not by eyewitnesses. Nearly half his life is unrecorded; the rest pieced together from anonymous accounts.

John was a fisherman, unlikely to have written sophisticated Greek. His gospel never names him. Matthew is also anonymous; no proof he wrote it.

Luke and Mark were not disciples at all. And for Paul, only God can forgive him.

It took your early father's 300 years to develop the concept of trinity.

I refuse to build my belief in God on uncertain attributions and second-hand claims.

Sterope:
Jesus

He referred to a gentile woman as a “dog” (something Muslims don’t accept).

He feared death, and cried out for rescue.

He admitted not knowing the Hour, didn't even know the fig's season

He was tempted by the devil and repeatedly, he said: “God sent me/I am below God.”

That is not God but a man under God’s authority?

Sterope:
What the Prophets Would Say
The core doctrines of Christianity original sin and the Trinity are absent from the Old Testament. Would Abraham or Moses have accepted the idea that the Creator became His own creation and died? They would have been astonished at such claims.

Even your scriptures describe God in ways Muslims would never accept:

a God who “regretted” creating man and flooding the earth, a God who “rested,” after the sixth day, a God who “wrestled” Jacob or a God deceived.

I seek refuge in My God from such blasphemies, it must be whispers of the devil that drove men to write such blasphemy.

Sterope:
I Worship as Jesus Worshipped

I worship as Jesus worshipped: bowing, praying, and submitting to the One who sent him. Not inventing doctrines he never preached.

Above all, he said:
“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Not to you. Not to me.

May peace and blessings of God be upon Jesus, the son of Mary.

Sterope:
Why Compare Prophets Jesus with Muhammad?

For the umpteenth time: why compare Jesus to Muhammad (peace be upon them both)? Muslims know Muhammad was fully human. It would be a sin to equate him with God, just as it would be a sin to elevate Jesus to divinity. True Muslims do not rank prophets against one another; they were all noble men, chosen by God, and not the distorted portrayals found in the Bible

Sterope:
Once they realise that they can't come for Qur'an.

They go for hadiths despite the whole loads of complexity with hadiths. Hadiths is always the victim.

If you like read your explanation and the TRUE and RIGHT TRANSLATION of the hadith

https://www.aljumuah.com/women-men-and-intellectual-deficiency/

Sterope:
TenQ

Jesus Is Not God

God is not His creation, and never will be. The Creator does not become the created. My God does not punish one soul for another’s sin. Why should I bear Adam’s guilt? In the Qur'an when God forgave Adam and his wife upon their repentance and not a sacrifice was required.

My God does not demand human.....,,, sacrifice for sins others committed. He forgives out of His mercy; He does not require an innocent to die for the guilty. No should shall bear the burden of another. My God is the Most Merciful to the truly repentant.



The Gospels and Their Authors

Much of what is claimed about Jesus comes from texts written decades later, not by eyewitnesses. Nearly half his life is unrecorded; the rest pieced together from anonymous accounts.

John was a fisherman, unlikely to have written sophisticated Greek. His gospel never names him. Matthew is also anonymous; no proof he wrote it.

Luke and Mark were not disciples at all. And for Paul, only God can forgive him.

It took your early father's 300 years to develop the concept of trinity.

I refuse to build my belief in God on uncertain attributions and second-hand claims.



Jesus

He referred to a gentile woman as a “dog” (something Muslims don’t accept).

He feared death, and cried out for rescue.

He admitted not knowing the Hour, didn't even know the fig's season

He was tempted by the devil and repeatedly, he said: “God sent me/I am below God.”

That is not God but a man under God’s authority?


What the Prophets Would Say

The core doctrines of Christianity original sin and the Trinity are absent from the Old Testament. Would Abraham or Moses have accepted the idea that the Creator became His own creation and died? They would have been astonished at such claims.

Even your scriptures describe God in ways Muslims would never accept:

a God who “regretted” creating man and flooding the earth, a God who “rested,” after the sixth day, a God who “wrestled” Jacob or a God deceived.

I seek refuge in My God from such blasphemies, it must be whispers of the devil that drove men to write such blasphemy.


I Worship as Jesus Worshipped

I worship as Jesus worshipped: bowing, praying, and submitting to the One who sent him. Not inventing doctrines he never preached.

Above all, he said:
“I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Not to you. Not to me.

May peace and blessings of God be upon Jesus, the son of Mary.



Why Compare Prophets Jesus with Muhammad?

For the umpteenth time: why compare Jesus to Muhammad (peace be upon them both)? Muslims know Muhammad was fully human. It would be a sin to equate him with God, just as it would be a sin to elevate Jesus to divinity. True Muslims do not rank prophets against one another; they were all noble men, chosen by God, and not the distorted portrayals found in the Bible

Sterope:
You must be whining TenQ that he is smarter than this.

Someone debating Blackstone and the meaning of Allah… in 2025.

They can’t see the magic of Hajj; millions of languages, cultures, and colours coming together as one. One religion, uniting the world. They can’t even imagine the foresight. It can only be God!

And Ramadan as well? The same story billions fasting across the globe.

The idea that Islam is dangerous came as a result of this level of discipline, fundamentals that can unite billions across the world...it is scary from a conspiracy perspective

Do you actually grasp the scale of this?

God be praised. Prophet Muhammad is the most influential man alive

Dorn with you TenQ, I would hate to go back and forth on the same thing. May God guide you alright!

Ohyoudidnt:
So all the acts of kissing 'saints', clergy, family members amongst the Israelites are no longer gestures of affection? Or players that kiss medals or trophies are worshipping them?

No the Blackstone doesn't absorb sins or intercede.

Come on Tenq you are supposed to be smatter than this.

Ohyoudidnt:
You should do better and show that the symbolic act of remembrance and Sunnah, not worship with the black stone for some not all Muslims is anything like the worshipping a Jesus who Christians assign divinity to.

It seems you confuse what worshipping another instead of God is. Which Muslim prays to the Blackstone or asks favours from it?

Ohyoudidnt:
I see you rather focus on assigning the world's sins to Jesus so long they idolise and worship him. Please what's the most important thing to your faith?

Are all sins the same as idolatry?

Does the Qur'an tell you the sin of John the Baptist or he wasn't a prophet. Following your apologetic polemics I see.

Sterope:
You are one of those ones that doesn't know meaning of Allah. Which is a good pointer that you know nothing

Even AI and a simple Google search knows. It was a mistake to copy you.

Ohyoudidnt:
You keep saying this is all a fabrication, but your whole argument is built on an assumption that the Qur’an doesn’t actually make or does it?

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Ohyoudidnt:
Do you say the links I shared are not verifiable, unaccessible or false? Should we rely solely on what you say as fact oh, it's you the acclaimed all knowing.

Obviously the Qur’an doesn’t mention Samaritans during Moses’ time; it specifically refers to one individual, al-Samiri. (Qur’an 20:85-97). You and others like you are the one committing the fallacy of equivocation.

The Prophet pbuh only shared what was revealed to him and didn’t provide any verified identification beyond the verses. (Qur’an 53:3-4)

There’s no mention in the Qur’an or authentic Sunnah about a nation or group called Samiri in Moses’ time, nor about Samaritans as a distinct sect. So you see no text thus no claim.

The Qur’an clears Aaron of blame and attributes the creation of the calf to al-Samiri (Qur’an 20:88-94; 7:150-151) but it must serve you some purpose that Aaron did, why?

Let me put your questions back at you and do provide evidence in support for your claims and as you say I am waiting.

Very eagerly too.