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Gabrielshow24:
The names of Allah are dependent on humans😮‍💨. I think the third one is subtly connoted in their books; in one case, we have obey Allah, in another we have ’obey Mo in everything’.

There are also reasons to suggest that the shahada is incomplete 😂 as the earliest ones include Christ😮‍💨. Overall, their book is an abridged version of itself as well as a plagiarized verison of others—It definitely cannot be inimitable, shaitan already proved otherwise.

That's why when you ask them a direct question, instead of answering it, they will manufacture their own preferred questions and respond to that.

Is La aM is a joke at best. A collection of tales, rituals from every source to form a religion that leads away from the TRUE God

Toruibestate:
Very true because the way life is..
You mean we came down from heaven just to fight to enter heaven again?
Very weird.

Who told you that you came from heaven ?

TenQ:
Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why?
Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert?




Note:
Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves

Also
An adult elephant typically needs to drink between 100 to 200 liters (about 25 to 50 gallons) of water per day for drinking in cool regions and double the amount in hot climates. They also need to drink 2 to 3 times a day.

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Isn't this tales of the ancients indeed?

One of the many tales by moonlight in the Qur'an.
Now , anyone that sheds light on this is shadowbanned by the Nairaland Admins.


Shame.





No wonder they cannot respond!

Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why?
Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert?




Note:
Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves

Also
An adult elephant typically needs to drink between 100 to 200 liters (about 25 to 50 gallons) of water per day for drinking in cool regions and double the amount in hot climates. They also need to drink 2 to 3 times a day.

Cc: All Muslims
Antichristian
Honesttalk21
Gaskiyamagana
Lukuluku69 ,
mhmsadyq
AbuTwins
Explore2xmore


Isn't this tales of the ancients indeed?

Ohyoudidnt:
When the Qur’an refers to Mary as the sister of Aaron, it’s not an error; it’s actually a Semitic expression. In both Hebrew and Arabic, terms like brother, sister, or son often signify an honorific or tribal relationship rather than a direct family tie.

The Prophet pbuh clarified this when he was asked about it, explaining that people were often named after prophets and virtuous figures from the past (Sahih Muslim 5326).

He even told Safiyyah to say, My father was Aaron and my uncle was Moses, using this same honorific approach rather than a genealogical one. The Bible also employs this style, as seen in phrases like sons of Belial in 1 Sam. 2:12 and daughters of Jerusalem in Song 2:7, which aren’t meant to be taken literally. Additionally, Jewish midrash reflects this tradition of connecting figures to Amram, Aaron, and Moses. So instead of being a source of confusion, the Qur’an is actually preserving an Israelite idiom and continuity that has been lost by others.

Got another emoji riddled refutation and erroneous linking to Reddit?

Mary is NOT related to Aaron sir

Aaron is from the tribe of Levi
Mary is from the Tribe of Judah

It is not a Semitic tradition to call a spade a spoon.
This is another lie from momo...it is untrue!

ZaraArewa:
Thank you for the advise. I will give it a thought

You will give it a thought or run with immediate effect!?



If a man will marry you, the first thing he does is to show you to his people!

Gabrielshow24:
That dude just copied tales left, right and center with reckless abandon.

His ’book’ has an high formulaic density to show it can't be the ’uncreated speech of Allah ’...Even his few appeals to history were awful: Confusing Saul with Gideon, Confusing Jacob for Moses(Moses meeting a man with two daughters), Placing Haman in Egypt, Samaritans in the time of Aaron 👀, Affirming Mary has Aaron's sister, Mistaking David for Solomon to say the least🤦🏾‍♂️.

Islam is a UNIFICATION of multiple Deities and multiple religions into ONE!

Every history of Islam starts with Mohammed who cannot even be verified in history!


The errors as you have pointed out are so massive that the Qur'an CANNOT be from God.

Yet, Muslims will argue till tomorrow defending the indefensible.

SMH!!

honesttalk21:
A final response to you as indeed your questions/statement are unserious and far from genuine. I have no time for silly play.

tenq's claim that Allah was just a pagan idol like Hubal is fals for these reasons:

1. Allah ≠ Hubal. Even the Quraysh admitted Allah was the Creator (Qur’an 29:61). Hubal was just one stone idol among 360. They never said Hubal made the heavens.

Hubal was the visible form of Allah because The chief god in pre-Islamic Arabia was Hubal aka Allah, the Syrian god of the moon. The three daughters of Hubal were the chief goddesses of Meccan Arabian mythology: Allāt, Al-'Uzzá, and Manāt.

honesttalk21:
2. Allah did not ‘protect idols.’ Surah al-Fīl says Allah protected His House, the Ka‘bah built by Abraham as a sanctuary for monotheism. Yes, Quraysh polluted it with idols, but Muhammad pbuh later cleansed it forever. The protection was for the House, not for the idols.

But the Ka'aba had been destroyed and repaired several times before Mohammed by flood and others. It is still a claim that has no basis that Abraham built the Ka'aba.
Can you show us a number pre-Islamic evidence of this?

Is it UNTRUE that Muslims refer to Allah as the Gods of the Kaaba?

honesttalk21:
3. Pre-Islamic proof of Allah’s supremacy.
Jahili poet Labid ibn Rabia said that‘Apart from Allah, everything is vain before Islam.

Arab Christians in Najran prayed to Allah in their liturgies, and the earliest Arabic Bibles use Allah for Elohim/YHWH.

pre-Islamic proof of Allah's supremacy BUT then Allah was vain at that time!?
The name of the God of the Arab Christians is YHWH,
Is any ofnthe 99 names of the Allah of the Muslims YHWH

Elohim means God/gods and Whatever is worshipped is Elohim.

honesttalk21:
4. Hubal was never equated with Allah. Historians like W. Montgomery Watt confirm: Allah was known to the Quraysh as a high God above the idols; Hubal was never equated with Allah.

Is it UNTRUE that a sacrifice to Hubal is a sacrifice to Allah and vise-versa in pre-Islamic times?

honesttalk21:
5. The Ka‘bah’s Abrahamic link. Even Greek historian Diodorus Siculus (1st c. BC) described a sacred sanctuary in Arabia, almost certainly the Ka‘bah, tied to Abraham long before Islam.

1. There were up to seven Ka'aba in the Arabia. Including in Yemeni. This is why till today, your Ka'aba has what is called the Yemeni corner.
2. Can you trace how Abraham a shepherd carried his sheep to Mecca in the desert?
3. It is laughable that a Greek historian is the one telling the history of Abraham almost 5000 years after the event

honesttalk21:
And about your ‘Lah’ distortion that Allah comes from al-Ilah ;The God.’The lah in Bismillah or ʿAbdullah is just part of Allah’s name, not a separate deity. Even the Prophet’s father, ʿAbdullah meaning “servant of Allah bore that name before Islam, proving Allah was always understood as the Supreme God, not an idol.

Praise be to LAH

honesttalk21:
If Allah was just a pagan idol, why did pre-Islamic poets exalt Him above all idols, why do Arab Christians still pray to Him today, and why did Quraysh themselves admit Allah created the heavens and the earth? Clearly, Allah is the eternal Creator not Hubal, not ‘Lah,’ and not an idol.

Then how do you expect me to believe that ancient city walls just collapsed because people marched around them and blew trumpets? Come on. Stone doesn’t crumble from noise and footsteps. If this story is taken literally, it doesn’t add up.

God-Allah is Vishnu to the Indians
God-Allah is Allah to the Arab Muslims
God-Allah is YHWH to the Arab Christians

To you is Vishnu your Allah?


So, the IDENTITY of your God/Allah matters

Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why?
Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert?




Note:
Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves

honesttalk21:
Abdullah’s name proves the point . The Prophet’s father was called ʿAbdullah (servant of Allah) before Islam began. Why? Because even Quraysh knew of Allah as the Supreme Creator (29:61, 31:25). Their error wasn’t in denying Him, but in adding idols as partners. Muhammad pbuh came to restore pure worship of the God they already acknowledged.

And Allah was aka Hubal!
And Allah protected the 360 idols in the Ka'aba

honesttalk21:
The Ka‘ba was Abraham’s house.Allah protected it in Surah al-Fīl not for the sake of idols, but because it was originally Abraham’s sanctuary for monotheism (2:125–127). If it had been destroyed, the mission of purification could not begin. Protection was for Abraham’s legacy, not idol-worship.

Prove this sir. Only Islamic sources attributes the Ka'aba to Abraham. Moreover, there are at least seven Ka'aba in the Arabia.
The Yemeni one is just one of these Ka'aba

Talk is cheap. Allan what is required is pre-Islamic evidence. QED!

honesttalk21:
“Allah’s daughters” were pagan lies. Qur’an 53:19–23 exposes and refutes the false claim that angels/idols were Allah’s daughters.This proves Islam rejected paganism, it did not adopt it.

This is according to Mohammed.
Is their any pre-Islamic narrative that agrees with you?

honesttalk21:
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Allah is a proper name.Both Muslim and Christian Arabs always used Allah as the name of the one true God. The Arabic Bible still reads: Fi al-bad’i khalaqa Allah al-samawat wa al-ard” (In the beginning Allah created the heavens and the earth, Gen. 1:1). To this day, Arab Christians pray to Allah as the God of the Bible.

No sir. Allah is a generic name for God !
His real name is LAH!
Bismi-Lah
Abdul-Lah
Awusubi-Lah

All point to Lah as your God.

honesttalk21:
So the real question is If Allah was only a pagan idol, then why was the Prophet’s father named servant of Allah before Islam? And why do millions of Arab Christians today still call the God of the Bible Allah? Were they all idolaters too?

The name of the Allah/God of the Arab Christians is YHWH.

Is any of the 99 the names of the Allah of the Muslims YHWH?

honesttalk21:
Either you admit Allah is the true God of Abraham, or you must call Moses, the judges of Israel, the Prophet’s father, and even Arab Christians all idolaters. Which one will you choose?

Allah mean God (generic) like president, chairman or daddy. What is the name of the Allah of the Muslims?

Lev 19:12:
"And you shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shall you profane the name of your God: I am YHWH"

Coder2Client:
Satanic verses revealed to momo which he later alluded to in one of the hadiths saying he has fabricated what allah has not revealed.

Wicked mods will not allow me to post.

What are they hiding in Islam?

DoctorStanley:
You can also only call your him daddy without asking his name. Which is what Muslims do. Moses, on the other hand, asked YHWH his name

So, the question to ask Muslims is
Is ANY of the 99 the Names of Allah YHWH?


If not, how can they say that the God of Moses, Abraham and Jacob is ALSO their God?

DoctorStanley:
YHWH is of course a proper name. Allah is NOT. It simply means God. The twist Muhammad put on it is that there is no other God but God.

So, we still then need to ask Muslims the Question

What is the proper NAME of their Allah?


It is like asking a child the question
"What if the name of your father?"
And then child says:
The name of my father is DADDY!

honesttalk21:
Your write-up has a serious flaw:

Allah was never an idol of Quraysh. Historians and even the Qur’an (29:61, 31:25) show the Quraysh already admitted Allah was the Supreme Creator their error was adding idols like Hubal, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat as partners. Islam came to destroy those false gods and restore pure monotheism.

So, you concur that the God of Mohammed's father Abdullah is the same God of Mohammed.

honesttalk21:
The “daughters of Allah” claim proves the opposite of your argument. The Qur’an condemns this (53:19–23), showing clearly that Allah ≠ those idols. Allah was never depicted or worshipped as a statue unlike Hubal, the Ka‘ba’s chief idol.

You seem not to get the point.
The claim of Allah having daughters was before Mohammed. This Allah was the one that protected the Ka'aba with it's 360 idols from destruction.

honesttalk21:
The Year of the Elephant (Surah al-Fil) was a known historical event, not a pagan myth. The Qur’an uses it as proof that the same Allah who protected His House then would aid His Messenger now.

I never said it was a pagan myth. If the story was true, the problem is why Allah was protecting the 360 idols in the Ka'aba.
However, the story is most likely not true because it is impossible to match an army of elephants through the desert except by miracle

honesttalk21:
Name ≠ concept. Arabs used the name “Allah” before Islam, just like Christians say “God” though the same word once described Zeus or Odin. The name remained, but Islam purified the meaning. Allah is the God of Abraham, not the corrupted version of Quraysh.

Note that according to you Muslims Allah is a NAME and not a Title or Description of God. Unlike the word God or Sky Owner or Lord of the Heavens which are descriptions of the Creator.

Do you have evidence of any of the Prophet calling the name of their God as Allah?

honesttalk21:
If “Allah” was just a pagan idol, explain why Arabic-speaking Christians before and after Islam have always called the God of the Bible “Allah.” Were they worshipping an idol too?

What is the NAME of the Allah of the Arab Christians?

honesttalk21:
You now divert to other questions haven seen your earlier games of questions defeated. It all appears to be play for you.

Play!?
No sir!
The problem is that you wish Islam is so true that you are willing to manufacture evidence to justify then indefensible

honesttalk21:
You see how you contradict yourself. Did you not say moderators or the bots can read normally placed pictures before? A claim in defense of skewing your previous pictures sideways.

Yes I did BUT my post was manually removed by the moderator in charge of then islamic section with ALL the comments and responses of others

Thus, I pasted it upright knowing that the problem wasn't the Nairaland bots BUT a scared Muslim Moderator

DoctorStanley:
Have you considered that "Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic, and not name of any particular god

For the Muslims, Allah is the principal name of their Deity.

Allah also mean DEITY or God in Arabic.

However, God is a Title and not a name. God is like the title Daddy or President or Chairman. The Question is which God are we talking about?

Is the name of the God YHWH ?
Is the name of the God Allah?

TenQ:
Why are Nairaland Muslims afraid of the Truth enough to EXPUNGE this INFORMATION from Nairaland.

What are Muslims not allowed to SEE and KNOW?

Why must a religion be sustained by FALSEHOOD?

Only Islamic moderators on Nairaland can explain this

I have verified this original post several times and not one Nairaland rules was broken and NEITHER is the language offensive either to Islam, Mohammed, Allah or Muslims.

TenQ:
Reason for the Chapter
Surah Al-Fil (The Elephant), the 105th chapter of the Quran, was revealed in Mecca and references a famous historical event known as the "Year of the Elephant," which is the year Prophet Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

The chapter narrates how Allah protected the Kaaba—the sacred house in Mecca—from an invading army led by Abraha, the Abyssinian governor of Yemen. Abraha had a large army that included elephants, and he sought to destroy the Kaaba to divert the pilgrimage to his own territory.

However, before the army could destroy the Kaaba, Allah intervened by sending flocks of birds (referred to as "Ababil" that pelted the army with stones made of hard clay (referred to as "sijjil". This divine intervention destroyed Abraha's forces, making them like "straw eaten up," thus saving the Kaaba from destruction.

On the surface, this looks like one of the other tales of the ancients common in the Qur'an except one looks closer.


Problems:
1. Forty years before Mohammed, Allah was the chief DEITY of the Quraysh tribe to which Mohammed belonged
2. Forty years before Mohammed, Mohammed's father Abdullah was a servant of Allah
3. The event in Qur'an 105 took place 40 years BEFORE Mohammed became a prophet
4. Forty years before Mohammed, The Allah with three daughters named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat was the chief DEITY of the Quarysh tribe and thus was the one in operation.
5. This Allah's objective was to prevent the destruction of the Ka'aba containing 360 IDOLS Among which was, the principal one called Hubal, the chief deity of Mecca
6. This story was well known by the Quarysh clan and the whole of Mecca as the exploit of Allah.


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?




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What can we see here?
Allah, the God of the pre-Islamic Arabs is the same God of Mohammed and the Muslims.

Otherwise, explain why the acts of the Allah with THREE Daughters before Mohammed is the same Allah dictating Qur'an 105?


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?

Why are Nairaland Muslims afraid of the Truth enough to EXPUNGE this INFORMATION from Nairaland.

What are Muslims not allowed to SEE and KNOW?

Why must a religion be sustained by FALSEHOOD?

Only Islamic moderators on Nairaland can explain this

Reason for the Chapter
Surah Al-Fil (The Elephant), the 105th chapter of the Quran, was revealed in Mecca and references a famous historical event known as the "Year of the Elephant," which is the year Prophet Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

The chapter narrates how Allah protected the Kaaba—the sacred house in Mecca—from an invading army led by Abraha, the Abyssinian governor of Yemen. Abraha had a large army that included elephants, and he sought to destroy the Kaaba to divert the pilgrimage to his own territory.

However, before the army could destroy the Kaaba, Allah intervened by sending flocks of birds (referred to as "Ababil" that pelted the army with stones made of hard clay (referred to as "sijjil". This divine intervention destroyed Abraha's forces, making them like "straw eaten up," thus saving the Kaaba from destruction.

On the surface, this looks like one of the other tales of the ancients common in the Qur'an except one looks closer.


Problems:
1. Forty years before Mohammed, Allah was the chief DEITY of the Quraysh tribe to which Mohammed belonged
2. Forty years before Mohammed, Mohammed's father Abdullah was a servant of Allah
3. The event in Qur'an 105 took place 40 years BEFORE Mohammed became a prophet
4. Forty years before Mohammed, The Allah with three daughters named Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat was the chief DEITY of the Quarysh tribe and thus was the one in operation.
5. This Allah's objective was to prevent the destruction of the Ka'aba containing 360 IDOLS Among which was, the principal one called Hubal, the chief deity of Mecca
6. This story was well known by the Quarysh clan and the whole of Mecca as the exploit of Allah.


Question:
1. Is ANYTHING untrue in the Above writeup?
2. What is the evidence that the Allah of contemporary Muslims is different from the Allah of the pre-Islamic Arabs?
3. Why would the Allah of the contemporary Muslims protect 360 idols kept in the Ka'aba?
4. Is this story even remotely TRUE?
Why? Abraha, the Abyssinian was not a prophet nor a magician, can you explain HOW he succeeded in Bringing an Army of Elephants into the Arabian Desert? (Elephants cannot survive in deserts as they need lots of water for drinking and cooling themselves).
5. Can you explain why Allah who did NOT give Mohammed any miracles honoured the Meccan Polytheists with such miraculous deliverance?




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BTW.
I wrote a piece for you and the moderator in the Islamic section was so scared that he deleted it.

Qur'an 105: The Evidence that Mohammed's Allah is the same pre-Islamic Allah

EVERYTHING including other people's comments were deleted overnight.

What is Islam hiding from Muslims?





Because, Muslims will delete it again, Here it is as a screenshot

honesttalk21:
You are making a basic category error that even a beginner in theology would avoid. Very unexpected of you.


Allah’s Names vs. Prophetic Descriptions

Allah’s Name are absolute, infinite, eternal.

When similar words are applied to prophets (e.g., Qur’an 9:128 calls Muhammad pbuh raʾuf, rahim; Qur’an 44:17 calls Moses karim), they are limited, descriptive, and relative.

That does not imply divinity it simply highlights noble qualities.



Consistency Check on the Bible

Bible calls humans “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34).

Judges are called elohim (Ex. 21:6).

Angels are called holy ones (Job 5:1)
By your own logic, your scripture makes you polytheists first. Are you consistent or selective?



Polytheism Is About Worship, Not Vocabulary

Tawhid = worship Allah alone.

Humans share descriptive qualities (life, knowledge, mercy) but only in limited form.

Example: Allah is al-Ḥayy (The Ever-Living). You are alive. Does that make you Allah? Absurd.
Sharing words ≠ sharing divinity. Worship defines polytheism, not language.



Honorific Titles (Mujtaba, Mujtahid, etc.)

These aren’t part of Allah’s 99 Names.

They are honorifics just like Christians say “Father,” “Reverend,” or “Saint.”
If Muslims are polytheists for honoring prophets, then you are too for honoring clergy.



The Real polytheism

Muslims describe the Prophet pbuh with noble titles but never worship him.

Christians take a man (Jesus), worship him, pray to him, and call him co-equal with God.
That is actual shirk—partners in worship, not adjectives of praise.

Muslims use noble descriptions while worshipping Allah alone. Christians worship a man while accusing others of shirk. Which one truly violates God’s oneness?

Rather than answering my questions, you decided to write every other things except about my direct questions.

1. You said: Allah’s Names vs. Prophetic Descriptions AND Allah’s Name are absolute, infinite, eternal.

But it is you Muslims who have 99 NAMES for Allah and 99 NAMES for Mohammed.
We now find out that Mohammed and Allah share some of these ABSOLUTE INFINITE Names.

Thus, Mohammed is aka Allah

2. You now said: Bible calls humans “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34). AND Judges are called elohim (Ex. 21:6).

Elohim mean DEITIES (plural) it doesn't mean YHWH thus any deity or god's fit in including humans when they have authority over men.

Another problem of Islam whose personal name of their God is just THE GOD since they d by that the name of their God is -LAH!

It is amazing when Mohammed is elevated in NAME to Allah and you still think you are not committing Shirk by associating the name of a man with Allah.

Then you mentioned Jesus and I laugh, Is Mohammed Allah who became human or a human who became Allah?

So, stop deflecting and answer my Questions
1. Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

2. These are NAMES of Allah example, you can call Allah by the name Al-Rahman or Al-Raheem just as you can call Allah by the names Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf.

Can you disprove the LOGIC that if ANY or just ONE of these names are also the names of Mohammed , then Mohammed is Allah?

3. Does Mohammed share knowledge with Allah?
4. When you recite the shahada, do you not associate the name of Allah with then name of Mohammed?

honesttalk21:
Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Ra’uf are all names that refer specifically to Allah.

But Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf specifically also refer to Mohammed's name isn't it?

Meaning that Mohammed is partner with Allah by name?

honesttalk21:
On the other hand, names like Al-Mujtaba (the chosen one) and Al-Mujtahid (someone who diligently seeks religious knowledge) are actually titles for people, not divine names.

When it comes to sharing attributes, it’s quite common for humans to reflect certain positive qualities of God, albeit in a limited way. This doesn’t imply that anyone is divine or equal to God. It’s more about embodying traits like kindness or mercy, without actually sharing in God’s essence.

Recognizing that some human qualities can mirror divine attributes doesn’t mean that Muhammad is God or that Islam promotes the idea of multiple gods. It’s really about understanding that while people can exhibit good traits in a limited, human manner, only God possesses those traits in their perfect and eternal form.

So, Mohammed shares some Attributes with God!?
But my questions were very specific!


1. Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

2. These are NAMES of Allah example, you can call Allah by the name Al-Rahman or Al-Raheem just as you can call Allah by the names Al-Jabbar, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Mujtaba, and Al-Ra'uf.

Can you disprove the LOGIC that if ANY or just ONE of these names are also the names of Mohammed , then Mohammed is Allah?

3. Does Mohammed share knowledge with Allah?
4. When you recite the shahada, do you not associate the name of Allah with then name of Mohammed?




Withnall these, don't you think you are a polytheist?

honesttalk21:
1. Who else is “The Praised One” besides God?

Muhammad pbuh means “the praised one,” but it’s just a name. Lots of people have names that mean something like that and it doesn’t make them God. Only Allah gets that kind of ultimate praise in Islam.

So, Only God should be the Praised One AND Mohammed too!?

honesttalk21:
2. Why do Muhammad and Allah share some attributes if Muhammad isn’t Allah?

Good question! But be certain that Humans can have qualities like kindness or mercy, but God’s qualities are perfect and on a whole different level. Just because someone’s kind doesn’t mean they’re divine. So, sharing some traits doesn’t mean Muhammad pbuh is Allah.

So, Mohammed shares some Attributes with God!?
Do you know any other person who shares attributes with God apart from Mohammed?

But technically, it's even more serious because Allah and Mohammad share the same names.
SMH!

Any you think you are not a polytheist!?

honesttalk21:
3. About those 99 names; do they belong to Allah or Muhammad pbuh?

The 99 Names are special names for Allah alone. Some titles like Al-Mujtaba or Al-Mujtahid are for people, not God. Sometimes words overlap, but the meaning is very different.

Hope that clears this up a bit.

This wasn't the question.
These names of Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Mujtaba, Al-Mujtahid and Al-Ra'uf are they Allah's names or Mohammed's names

honesttalk21:
You sure claim a passion for what you believe to be the truth, and have a right to speak out. However, if we’re aiming for a genuine conversation instead of just stirring the pot, then intentions and methods are crucial.

You’ve made some bold statements that require clarity before jumping to conclusions.

The Praised One; Muhammed, and God.
The name Muhammad, which translates to the praised one, is indeed just that a name, not a title of divinity. In various cultures, names can mean things like beloved, gift of God,or noble,without suggesting that the person is divine. Being praised doesn’t mean being worshiped, especially in Islamic belief, where the line between God (Allah) and His messenger is clearly defined and strongly maintained.

Shared Attributes and 99 Names

Some of the names you brought up like Al-Karim (The Generous) or Al-Ra’uf (The Compassionate) are indeed part of the 99 Names of Allah. However, to claim that a human sharing a similar trait, albeit in a much lesser capacity, makes them divine is a misunderstanding of how attributes work in both language and theology.

For instance, Christians might describe someone as loving, just as God is referred to as Love but that doesn’t make that person God. Similarly, being called wise or merciful doesn’t elevate someone to the status of divinity. Language often overlaps, but what sets God’s attributes apart is their absolute perfection and eternal nature. Qualities that, in Islam, are solely possessed by Allah.

Al-Mujtaba / Al-Mujtahid earen’t among the 99 Names of Allah; they’re titles used to describe individuals. Al-Mujtaba means the chosen one (often used for prophets), while Al-Mujtahid refers to someone who puts in effort in religious matters and law. Again, these are not divine titles.

System vs. Principle
Regarding your earlier point about going around the rules you’ve actually highlighted the opposite. Instead of breaking divine law, you suggest it’s your responsibility to bypass any human-made system that contradicts your understanding of the truth. That’s a valid principle, but even then, the method matters.

Having a passionate argument doesn’t mean we can overlook the importance of theological accuracy. If we’re diving deep into discussions, let’s make sure we do it with a full understanding, careful attention to language, and the respect that all beliefs deserve even when we’re critiquing them.

I think my questions were simple and direct. You said every other things without answering the simple questions. Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah was given the name Mohammed meaning "The Praised One"!

1. Tell me, who ELSE in the Universe is THE PRAISED ONE other than God?
Who else in the Universe can legally be called the Praised One?

2. Why does Mohammed and Allah share so many attributes together when he is NOT Allah?
Is there anyone else showing shares attributes with Allah amongst the prophets?

3. Mohammed has 99 names just like Allah has 99 names and a few of these names overlap. Tell me if these names below belong to Allah OR Mohammed
Al-Jabbar, Al-Hayy, Al-Karim, Al-Muhaymin, Al-Rashid, Al-Mujtaba, Al-Mujtahid and Al-Ra'uf