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honesttalk21:
Why should Allah pay for what he has been merciful about? Does this make sense?

You say Islam just lets sin slide? No, man. The Qur’an spells it out: Whoever does evil will be paid back for it (4:123). We’ll set up the scales of justice so no soul is wronged, not even by a mustard seed (21:47). Nothing slips. Nothing!

In Islam, if you wrong somebody, you’re not walking away. On Judgment Day your good deeds get ripped out of your book and handed to your victim. And when you’ve got nothing left? Their sins land on you, and you’re the one burning in Hell. That’s payback. That’s real accountability.

And I have asked you to put this claim to test.
A repentant Muslim man raped a woman who is a Polytheist. We know that the polytheist should be in Hell.
Tell me, how many houri will be withdrawn from this Muslim man and given to the hell bound woman?
SMH!

honesttalk21:
Now your system? It’s a free pass. A man can kill, rape, oppress then just say “I accept Jesus” and he’s off the hook. Tell me, where’s the justice for the victim in that? Their cries just vanish into the air? That’s not justice, that’s a scam.

Do you even know what is called Mercy?
Mercy is not getting what you deserve as judgement of guilt!

You just called Gods mercy a scam!

The True God YHWH served Justice while executing Mercy but you call it a scam!?

honesttalk21:
You say stealing an apple, telling a lie,tiny, finite sins deserve infinite Hellfire. Forever. Same sentence as murder. Unless, of course, some innocent guy gets executed in your place. And you call that justice?
Your own book says otherwise. The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father (Ezek. 18:20). Straight up. But your theology spits on that verse.

Islam doesn’t play that game. In Islam, every soul carries its own load. Your punishment matches your crime. You want mercy? Repent, make it right, and God may forgive you. But you don’t get to dump your mess on someone else.

The problem is that Islam doesn't understand the concept of Sin. Sin is Filth and Blemish like excrement.

To you small excrement is small offence while big excrement is big offence. How ignorant can a religious person be. Sin make you totally objectionable to God.

Only in Islam do we have big sin and small sin because of gross ignorance!

honesttalk21:
So let’s stop pretending. Which system is actually just? The one that makes every sinner answer for his own dirt or the one that lets the guilty walk while the innocent bleeds?

Allah says he forgives you by his mercy BUT he punishes you for your offence by removing out of your blessings to give the offended person.

Is this the Islamic Definition of Mercy?

Analog95:
Hello guys, I humbly need you all view on this. All my life I have always wanted to be a lecturer, so early this year (January, 2025), I finally got awarded PhD in Applied Mathematics. Though I had my first degree in Mechanical Engineering, masters in Applied Mathematics with specialization in fluid dynamics and PhD in Applied Mathematics with specialization in fluid dynamics as well. During my study, I run a tutorial centre and making cool money from teaching mechanical engineering and mathematics students. So after obtaining my PhD I started sending out my CV to people I know in institutions, though most are of the opinion that I shouldn't have switched from mechanical engineering to mathematics that it will give me problem.

Around January 2025, immediately after my PhD oral examination, my supervisor linked me up with the rector of a polytechnic to go submit my CV to him, which I did, and according to the rector, he told me that it is not matter of CV for now, because most people that he employed as assistant lecturers, they really don't have much to pay them and the governor of the state has promised that he will do recruitment for the polytechnic around March because of accreditation processes, so during that recruitment, I can be employed. Fast forward to March, the accreditation went on and I wasn't informed if the recruitment was later done (you know all this underground stuffs), so I later got my mind off the institution and look at for another university in other states which I was promised also that once there is directives to start recruitment, I will be employed.

On the 3rd of july, 2025, I got a call from someone from the polytechnic, telling me to come to the personnel department as soon as possible with my credentials, when I got there, he collected photocopies of my credentials and on sighting the mechanical engineering as first degree, he said which department do I want and I said mathematics and he said why not mechanical engineering where I had my foundation, so I said I preferred mathematics because since I switched to mathematics, I have published 11 academic journal with 7 of them Scopus rated in Q1, and I have also attended 7 seminars with certificate to back them up, and I have also been a member of the Nigerian mathematical society (NMS), so he said they will get back to me.

Since then I haven't heard anything. After a month, I made a call to the person that I submitted my credentials to at the personnel department, that I haven't heard from them and he said "sebi we are the one that called you ourself, the process is ongoing and once we are ready, we will definitely call you back". But I haven't heard from them still. It is almost two months now since I submitted the credentials and I am already losing faith.

I am just confused, could my changing from engineering to science be hindering me from getting a lecturing position? If it is, does it make sense to go back and obtain another master and PhD in mechanical engineering and just forget about the mathematics? Or just forget about lecturing and focus on my tutorials, meanwhile I make more than 500k monthly from the tutorial because it is in school area, but I don't want to be a tutor forever, not even with a PhD.

Grow your business dear.

How much do you think a Professor earns in the University?

obembet:
When it comes to prayer, what matters most is the sincerity of your heart, not the language you use. God understands every language, even the unspoken groanings of the heart (Romans 8:26).

Praying in local dialect

Feels more personal and natural if it’s your first language. Helps you express deep emotions and cultural expressions that may not translate well into English. Many people connect more spiritually when praying in the language they think and feel in.

Praying in English

Useful when you’re in a mixed group where people may not understand your dialect. Helps in teaching, leading, or uniting people in prayer. Can make your prayer accessible to more listeners.

So my smart Nairalanders, which one is the best
Source: obembe Tosin

I pray only in Arabic because this is the language God understand!

honesttalk21:
You keep tossing around hadith about mutʿah as if Islam is all about a few random narrations. But let’s be real—Islam isn’t built on scattered reports. The Qur’an is the ultimate authority, and it clearly defines marriage as a “firm covenant” (4:21), not some throwaway contract. It only permits intimacy with “wives or those your right hands possess” (23:5–6), and mutʿah doesn’t fit that description. That’s why the Prophet pbuh prohibited it, and even Imam ʿAli, the fourth caliph, didn’t bring it back during his rule. So, ask yourself: if mutʿah were truly God’s eternal law, why did the person most trusted by Shia Islam leave it in the past?

Allah prescribed Mutah for you Muslims, did Allah Abrogate the Mutah anywhere in the Qur'an?

Mohammed Abrogated Mutah isn't it and it is in your Hadith. So, which one do you Muslims follow
1. Is it the Qur'an or
2. The Hadith?

honesttalk21:
Now, about “those your right hands possess”—that’s another tired misinterpretation. The Qur’an didn’t create slavery or captives; it was a reality for the whole world, including the Israelites in your Bible (check out Numbers 31:18). The key difference? The Qur’an put restrictions in place. Captives could only be taken into proper marriage (4:24–25), and forcing them into prostitution was strictly forbidden (24:33). Freeing them was seen as an act of faith and righteousness (90:13). That’s not about sexual looseness; it’s about reform and dignity.

Allah says in The Qur'an:
"Force not your slave girls into Prostitution "
BUT if you do what happens?

honesttalk21:
But here’s the real hypocrisy: the Bible allows slavery and sex with captives without those restrictions. Where was the divine “firm covenant” in that? Yet Christians brush it off as “context” while criticizing the Qur’an, which actually tightened the rules. That’s not just a double standard; it’s plain intellectual dishonesty.

Evidence for this claim please: where the Bible allows slavery and sex with captives without restrictions!

honesttalk21:
And here’s the uncomfortable truth: Christianity’s doctrine of atonement undermines justice. The guilty walk free while the innocent pays the price. What kind of justice system lets a rapist go unpunished while an innocent person suffers? If that happened in a real court, you’d call it corruption. Islam rejects that chaos. “No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another” (6:164). Every soul is accountable for its own actions. Mercy exists, but not at the expense of justice.

Sorry!
In Atonement, the Guilty is Judged but his punishment is carried for him by God Himself because the Guilty person accepted God's help for paying for his sins.

In Atonement, those who reject God's help (like you) pay for their own sin for Eternity in Hell

Tell me what is not fair here. You will pay for your sin in Hell.

All Sins are primarily against God and not man.
Yes,
Mercy exists, but not at the expense of justice. But justice require that the Sinner must go to Hell. The difference between us is that I allow God to pay off my debt of Sin BUT you will bear your own burden of sin.

honesttalk21:
So let’s be clear. Which is more just? A God who holds every sinner accountable? or a God who allows sin to be transferred from the criminal to the innocent? Which one really upholds justice?

Be honest! if a human judge acted like your doctrine describes, you’d call him unjust. But when it’s God, you call it “love”? That’s not love that’s moral collapse.

The God who holds every one accountable and punished them accordingly is the Just God.

-God therefore has judged TenQ as Guilty of Sin
God Judged TenQ with the Punishment of Eternity in Hell
-However, God GAVE His Free Gift of Salvation from this Punishment because of His Love that the Messiah takes up my Punishment in Hell for Me.

-Therefore, I have been held accountable, sentenced and judged BUT by God's Love and Mercy, I received REDEMPTION because the Messiah Paid my Fine.



Let's Look at YOU:
-Honesttalk21 is Guilty of Sin
-Honesttalk21 is judged with a punishment of Eternity in Hell Fire
-Allah claims to waive off Honesttalk21's sin because he recited La illah illa lah 3 times, he is a Muslim and he prays five times a day.

According to your claims:
1. Has Allah held you honesttalk21 as a sinner accountable for your sin?
2. Would it be immoral for Allah to pay for your sins by himself so that you can go free ?

Has Allah really upheld justice here?

helinues:
Things are cheap in Nigeria, not just the oil. I read online yesterday that barbing in Ghana now is around 20GHC. Convert that amount to naira

What is the minimum wage in Ghana?

honesttalk21:
It's unproductive having discussions since you are adamant about your views no matter how incorrect.

Even your Bible tells you nothing is like God yet you arrogantly insist on the created being like the creator.

Isaiah 40:18
To whom then will you liken God, or what likeness compare with him?

Exodus 15:11
Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

Isaiah 46:9
...for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me

This major contradiction in the new testament not with the Jews is quite enormous.

Furthermore in traditional Jewish and Islamic understanding, atonement is through sincere repentance without a need for sacrifice.

Ezekiel 18:21-22
But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins... he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Alas a lot of unjustifiable contradiction is brought in with you and the new testament view of Jesus yet God is unchanging?

Funny how you choose to include God in a mathematical principle of sets when he is above this and created all.

God is not part of creation, not a subset of it, not the whole of it, nor merely outside it. God is ontologically distinct, the necessary and self-existent ground of all contingent being.

No bother and no further discussion required for indeed you worship what you will the way you want to. You should be ashamed of holding a misunderstood upholding of the hadith above the Qur'an itself. You are free to continue as a means to justify your misunderstanding and perhaps strengthen your resolve in Faith.

Muslims are full of contradictions.

They claim superiority of the Qur'an over the hadith yet they Reject Mutah from the Qur'an because a hadith says Mohammed cancelled it.

Who fooleth thou you?

honesttalk21:
It's unproductive having discussions since you are adamant about your views no matter how incorrect.

Even your Bible tells you nothing is like God yet you arrogantly insist on the created being like the creator.

Isaiah 40:18
To whom then will you liken God, or what likeness compare with him?

Exodus 15:11
Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

Isaiah 46:9
...for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me

This major contradiction in the new testament not with the Jews is quite enormous.

Furthermore in traditional Jewish and Islamic understanding, atonement is through sincere repentance without a need for sacrifice.

Ezekiel 18:21-22
But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins... he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Alas a lot of unjustifiable contradiction is brought in with you and the new testament view of Jesus yet God is unchanging?

Funny how you choose to include God in a mathematical principle of sets when he is above this and created all.

God is not part of creation, not a subset of it, not the whole of it, nor merely outside it. God is ontologically distinct, the necessary and self-existent ground of all contingent being.

No bother and no further discussion required for indeed you worship what you will the way you want to. You should be ashamed of holding a misunderstood upholding of the hadith above the Qur'an itself. You are free to continue as a means to justify your misunderstanding and perhaps strengthen your resolve in Faith.

As usual

Kaliningrad:
Were you not one of the people cheering on the Ukranians to "defeat" Russia last year?

Well this is what "defeating" Russia looks like.

Now Zelensky & his NATO owners are running around looking for a ceasefire.

The Ukrainians must have an army with population in the Billions of this is True reflection of Battle ground casualties or the Russian Generals are grossly INCOMPETENT!

honesttalk21:
I doubt you have any clear understanding of what is real and true, what you feel or prefer to be true.

In Islam, Allah stands apart from creation and isn't limited like Iblis. Drawing a comparison between the Creator and a creature is simply not accurate. Allah exists beyond space, time, and form. He isn't just above the heavens as if He were confined to a specific location; rather, He is the One who brought everything into existence. Unlike Iblis, who is trapped within the universe, Allah sustains it and exists beyond it. When it comes to the question of whether Allah can eat, that notion suggests a kind of weakness and need, which is not applicable to God. Eating and relying on food indicate being created, not divine. A true Almighty God wouldn’t contradict Himself by exhibiting weakness.

You are repeating narratives but I am giving you facts of similarities between Allah and Iblis. All you needed to do is to falsify them.

Again:
So many things are like Allah eg Iblis
1. Allah is a subset of the Universe just as Iblis is a subset of the universe.
Is Allah not just above the seven heavens which is above the seven earth's?
2. Allah is one just like Iblis Iblis is one
How many Iblis do you know in the Universe?
3. Allah cannot do many things just like Iblis.
Can Allah enter into his creation and remain almighty?

The only logical way that Allah is not a subset of the universe is if he is the Universal SET i.e. the universe is within him and not that he is above the universe.

In the course of reinventing Allah, your scholars unknowingly boxed him into a corner.

honesttalk21:
The hadith of Abu Dharr doesn’t imply that theft and adultery are overlooked. Islam distinguishes between sins against God and those against people. Allah may forgive His own rights through repentance, but offenses against others must be addressed. The Prophet taught that on Judgment Day, victims will receive the good deeds of their oppressors, and if those deeds run out, the oppressor will take on the victims’ sins before facing Hell. This means that no criminal simply escapes justice by uttering a phrase; real justice is upheld among people, and Allah ensures that no wrongdoing goes unpunished.

See how you distinguished between sin against God and Sin against people!? This is wrong for everyone sin against man is sin against God BECAUSE man was created in the image of God.

Here is Allah copying Jesus
1. Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah
2. Mishkat al-Masabih 1528
On the authority of Abu Huraira
3. Sahih Muslim 2569

A victim is a polytheist, what recompense would he receive from the good deeds of his oppressor if the oppressor is a Muslim that means anything?
Example:
Will Allah reduce the numbers of your Houri and give it to the wronged polytheist in hell?

Islam always breaks down with reasoning!

honesttalk21:
In contrast, Christianity presents the innocent Jesus as bearing the sins of the guilty, which the Bible itself prohibits in Ezekiel 18:20. If Jesus was merely a man, he couldn’t carry the sins of others. If he was God, then the idea becomes impossible; how could God experience hunger, weakness, or death? The Bible refers to Jesus as a man attested by God (Acts 2:22), indicating he was human and reliant on God, not divine. Islam provides a clearer perspective. Jesus was a prophet and Messiah, revered by Allah, but never God Himself.

You are just repeating yourself misrepresenting Ezek 18: based on the limitations of Allah.
Only the True God can be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness

*Can Allah be Unlimited and Limited at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness
*Can Allah be Spirit and Physical at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness
*Can Allah be ANYTHING without contradicting His Almightiness

If Allah cannot, it is an error to impose your understanding of the limitations of Allah on YHWH.

honesttalk21:
Islamic theology maintains a balance of justice and mercy. While some criminals may evade punishment in this life, the Qur’an teaches that every wrongdoer will ultimately confront Allah in the Hereafter, where no injustice is ignored. Victims receive direct compensation, and oppressors face the repercussions of their actions.

I have asked you again and again
A victim is a polytheist and should be in hell, what recompense would he receive from the good deeds of his oppressor if the oppressor is a repentant Muslim that means anything?
Example:
Will Allah reduce the numbers of your Houri and give it to the wronged polytheist in hell?

honesttalk21:
The Christian notion that some people deserve endless punishment, only to have their guilt shifted onto an innocent person, really undermines both justice and the perfection of God. In Islam, there’s a sense of balance; every individual is responsible for their own actions, and every victim will receive their due. That’s what true justice looks like.

Which is more just having the guilty confront their victims before God, or transferring guilt to an innocent person while the real oppressor goes unpunished?

Again, Is Jesus according to the Bible just another Innocent person or God Himself taking up our place in judgement for sin?

In Islam, there is no balance as you have conjured. I have given you an example of a Polytheist wronged by a repentant Muslim. Kindly show how the Muslim will pay for his offence against this polytheist or stop peddle conjectures.

What good does confronting the repentant Muslim is to a man of the inhabitant of hell?
By the way, what is even your evidence that the wronged person will confront the offender on the day of judgment


Forgiveness is received by Atonement:
Either you pay for your own sin by yourself
OR
God pays for your sin by Himself.

You can choose which one you want.

It is called GOOD NEWS when God pays it for you because/otherwise, the alternative is for you to spend your Eternity in Hell.

honesttalk21:
You say that Islam overlooks sin, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. In Islam, every crime is acknowledged, every action is accounted for, and no injustice goes unpunished. The Qur’an clearly states: “Whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it, and whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it” (99:7–. Even if a murderer passes away peacefully in his sleep, he will still have to face every one of his victims on the Day of Judgment. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) emphasized that rights will be restored to their rightful owners on the Day of Resurrection, to the point where even a sheep without horns will receive justice from one that has them. Nothing is overlooked, no victim is forgotten, and no wrong is dismissed.

What you claim is usually different from what your prophet teaches about Islam

Sahih Muslim 94 b
Abu Dharr reported,:
I came to the Apostle (may peace be upon him ) and he was asleep with a white mantle over him. I again came, he was still asleep, I came again and he had awakened. I sat by his side and (the Holy Prophet) observed: There is none among the bondsmen who affirmed his faith in La illaha ill-Allah there is no God but Allah) and died in this state and did not enter Paradise. I (Abu Dharr) said: Even if he committed adultery and theft? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. I (again said): Even if he committed adultery and theft? He replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. (Th Holy Prophet repeated it three times) and said for the fourth time: In defiance of Abu Dharr. Abu Dharr then went out and he repeated (these words): In defiance of Abu Dharr.

So, tell me how Abacha will restore all the money he had stolen from Nigeria?
Tell me how a man will pay for the Adultery he had committed with his friend's Wife?

I am waiting for you to distort the hadith above again

honesttalk21:
In Islam, repentance isn’t just a way to escape consequences. If a man repents after committing a heinous act like rape, turning to God doesn’t erase the rights of the woman or her children. They will still confront him before Allah. This is where the distinction lies. Islam insists on accountability, while Christianity suggests that the guilty can walk free because the innocent Jesus supposedly takes on their sins. You might say that he was of the world, but Jesus transformed him when he surrendered to him. However, true justice means that the criminal must face the consequences of his actions.

So, the Rapist repents and recites La illah illa lah three times then becomes a Muslim.
If I understand you well, Allah will admit this man into Paradise BUT according to you, the Raped Woman and her Children will confront this man!

So what? What will come out of the confrontation?
You forget that Adultery and Theft are primarily sins against God before being an offence against man? What if the Woman and her children are infidels? What reward will they gain from this repentant wicked man?

See how your theology breaks down with thinking!

honesttalk21:
Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that only Muslims commit sins. There are plenty of rapists who identify as Christians. We’ve seen priests, pastors, and clergy exposed for their crimes all over the globe. So, to claim that Islam is the only faith that “forgives” rapists is simply misleading. The real question is which faith holds the rapist accountable for his actions, and which one shifts the blame onto someone else?

I never implied that only Muslims sin. I was just helping you to see how Allah judges sin by using a Muslim as an example.
All humans including me are sinners and ALL are going to Hell because of it. The difference between you and me is that I submitted myself to the One who Paid Off my Debt of Punishment in Hell and you hope to pay yours off with good deeds and Islam.

honesttalk21:
You brought up the hadith regarding Jews and Christians being a “ransom.” However, the Qur’an is definitive, stating: “No soul bears the burden of another” (6:164). This hadith can’t be taken literally; it signifies that Allah forgives believers while punishing those who reject Him for their own sins. In contrast, Christianity contradicts Ezekiel 18:20 by placing humanity’s guilt on the sinless Jesus.

Are you saying that the Qur'an contradict this hadith of your prophet?

honesttalk21:
Here’s the bottom line: in Islam, if a man commits rape, he faces the consequences on this earth if justice is served, and in the Hereafter without any escape.

Is it every crime that is punished on earth?
How would this Rapist be equitably punished for destroying a Woman and the lives of her four children?

honesttalk21:
You want to make your usual excuse based on hadith you don't understand. Perhaps translation and culture challenge yet you know the Qur'an comes first before the Hadith. You have tried in vain to say words of Muhammad pbuh are disobyed yet fail to agree his actual meaning is not understood. Maybe you should provide a verse in the Quran saying the hadith is to be obeyed over the words of Allah.

The Qur'an say Muslim men should do Mutah
The Hadith say it is cancelled
What do you follow?

Spare me that.

honesttalk21:
Let's take a closer look at the concepts of sin and redemption. In Christianity, there's this idea that one can repent, but ultimately, the guilt is transferred to Jesus. So, which belief system truly respects the victim? And which one downplays the seriousness of sin?

In Christianity, the penalty for sin against my neighbour is ETERNITY in Hell period!
And Justice has been Served.

What else?

The difference is that the Judge who executed my sentence is the one who also paid for the consequences for me.

In Islam Adultery and Theft are waived off by Allah!

honesttalk21:
When Christians respond, they often say, “Jesus was different from us; that’s why He could bear our sins.” But the Bible repeatedly refers to Him as a man: “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders” (Acts 2:22). He experienced hunger, thirst, sleep, and prayer. If He wasn’t fully human, then His sacrifice wouldn’t truly represent humanity.

When Jibril came to Mary, didn't he come as a perfect man? Did that stop him from being an Angel?
It seems you don't know that A perfect man is indistinguishable from other humans.

honesttalk21:
Now, if we say He was also God, we run into a major contradiction. God can’t experience hunger, thirst, suffering, or death. If Jesus died, then according to this logic, God died too which is impossible. If He didn’t die, then the supposed ransom never happened. Either way, this doctrine falls apart.

When Muslims argue they put their brains is comatose mode.
Is death a kind of annihilation or a transition to a non physical realm in Islam?
If Moses and Joseph and Adam etc are dead, does it mean your prophet was conjuring fake stories about them. How come they are dead but not dead at the same time? SMH!!

You said:
Now, if we say He was also God, we run into a major contradiction

So, when Jibril came as a perfect man, his taste buds were not working, he did not have an intestine nor stomach. His cells were dead abi?

If God came down as aan, couldn't He experience everything men experience if He chose to?

honesttalk21:
The Qur’an provides a clear perspective on this: “The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; messengers passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They both used to eat food” (5:75). This dependence on food highlights humanity. Anyone who eats relies on God; and anyone who relies on something cannot be God.

So, we’re left with two possibilities: either Jesus was fully human, which means Ezekiel 18:20 still holds true. “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” or He wasn’t truly human, in which case His sacrifice loses its meaning as a substitute. Christianity can’t sidestep this contradiction. In contrast, Islam provides clarity: Jesus was a prophet, revered and miraculously born, but never God.

Only the True God can be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness

Only the True God can be Unlimited and Limited at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness

Only the True God can be Spirit and Physical at the same Time without contradicting His Almightiness

Only the True God can be ANYTHING without contradicting His Almightiness



The Almighty God came as a man because through Man sin entered the world. Angels cannot substitute for man because Angels are NOT infinite.

The only One who's INFINITY can atone for the invite incarnation of man in Hell is God Himself.


Allah doesn't love you this much to do the unthinkable for you: after all, you are just his slave

Not so with YHWH,
He LOVES Humanity so much that without violating His JUSTICE, He could Free men from the Consequences of Violating His INTEGRITY as God.

This is why the Message is called GOOD NEWS: the price for your Redemption has been paid by God Himself.

Reject it at your Peril!

honesttalk21:
The idea that mortal beings can die and then become gods is rooted in ancient mythology. Take Hercules, for example—he endured suffering, met his end, and was then elevated to Olympus. Similarly, Pharaohs were often proclaimed divine after they passed away. Christianity mirrors this concept by asserting that Jesus, a man who experienced life just like us eating, sleeping, praying, and ultimately dying (though I stand that this hasn't occured yet) is also God.

Is this not another strawman argument?
Which ever Christian cult says Jesus became God after He died and resurrected?

God became Human had always been the teaching of the Bible Mr man! Did you ever read anywhere that a man became God to the Christians?

honesttalk21:
In contrast, Islam completely dismisses this notion. The Qur’an states: “There is nothing like unto Him” (42:11). God doesn’t experience hunger, sleep, or death. He is eternal and self-sufficient. While Christianity seems to echo a mythological cycle, Islam upholds the essence of pure monotheism: God is entirely unique, free from human frailties, and never part of creation.

So many things are like Allah eg Iblis
1. Allah is a subset of the Universe just as Iblis is a subset of the universe.
Is Allah not just above the seven heavens which is above the seven earth's?
2. Allah is one just like Iblis Iblis is one
How many Iblis do you know in the Universe?
3. Allah cannot do many things just like Iblis.
Can Allah enter into his creation and remain almighty?


You are confusing the fact that NOTHING is impossible for my God. Even Angels don't need to eat but they can eat if they choose to do so!
Can Allah eat if he chooses to or not?
How can a God be Almighty when he has so many LIMITATIONS?

honesttalk21:
In Islam, sin is taken very seriously. A rapist or murderer doesn’t just get a free pass; they face consequences in this life, are held accountable to their victims on the Day of Judgment, and will face Allah’s judgment in the Hereafter. The Prophet pbuh stated, “Rights will surely be restored to their rightful owners on the Day of Resurrection.” (Muslim). This means that no crime goes unpunished, and every victim will receive compensation. Forgiveness in Islam isn’t just a get-out-of-jail-free card; it demands genuine repentance and restitution, but even then, the rights of the victims are still honored.

Unfortunately, in reality many EVIL people die peacefully and at old age without experiencing any judgement here on earth. Or you think ever murderer die violent deaths? A man who gruesomely kills 70 people can at best die ONCE! So, where is the islamic justice here on earth?. Moreover, using my analogy of the Rapist, what could have been an equatable justice for him here on earth? You see that islamic theology breaks down irrevocably here!

honesttalk21:
On the flip side, Christianity often shifts the burden of guilt from the wrongdoer to the innocent Jesus, even though the Bible clearly teaches: “The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.” (Ezekiel 18:20). Islam sees this as fundamentally unjust. Each person is responsible for their own actions, as the Qur’an states: “No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another.” (6:164).

You keep on repeating scriptures you don't understand.
Does this scripture mean that since everyone is a sinner, ALL will go to hell for eternity?
An by the way, Jesus can be a substitute for us only because He is not a human like us.

honesttalk21:
Regarding the hadith where the Prophet pbuh mentions that Allah will give each Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say, “This is your ransom from Hellfire” (Muslim 2767), scholars clarify that this doesn’t imply substitution. It signifies that Allah forgives believers while intensifying the punishment for those who have already rejected Him. They are punished for their own sins, not for anyone else’s.

So, what concerns Christians and Jews with Allah removing Muslims from Hell? Why will Allah REPLACE you with us?
The hadith is so plane but you have to explain it away because it is incredibly stupid.

honesttalk21:
In Islam the Qur’an is final so any hadith is read in line with it. The Qur’an says no soul bears another’s burden (6:164), so ‘ransom’ is metaphorical, not literal; but Christianity really does put the guilt of all mankind on the innocent Jesus, which directly contradicts Ezekiel 18:20.

Thus, Islam maintains a balance of justice and mercy: the guilty are held accountable, victims receive compensation, and no innocent person bears the weight of another’s crime. In contrast, Christianity suggests salvation comes from punishing the innocent for the guilty. Which system truly embodies divine justice?

Are you confirming that the Qur'an 6:164 contradict the hadith of your prophet where Christians and Jews are used as ransom for you Muslims?

In Christianity according to the Scripture:
1. All are guilty of Sin
2. The consequence of Sin is ETERNITY in Hell
3. God is JUST and MUST therefore punish Sin
4. But God so much LOVE us to provide a SOLUTION for us because God's justice must be served
5. In God's wisdom, he provided a RANSOM for us as an EXCHANGE for our Punishment.
6. This RANSOM is the LAMB of God that takes away our punishment for Sin



If Allah forgives by a Fiat, there is NO Justice.

You still haven't answered the question!
Who pays for the crime of Rape by this man when he becomes a repentant Muslim?

honesttalk21:
True justice means the guilty face the consequences, not the innocent. Islam stands firm on this principle, while Christianity seems to flip it on its head by placing the sins of humanity on Jesus, who never committed them.

If Ezekiel 18:20 clearly states, “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,” how can you assert that Jesus bears the sins of all mankind without contradicting your own Bible?

If your understanding is okay, what you are saying is that
you are guilty of sin and therefore you are to spend your eternity in Hell, with no redemption. Would this be okay for you as you must bear your own sin upon yourself?

Second, is Jesus a human being like you and me according to the Bible? Then Ezekiel 18:20 is unbroken!
Sorry!

honesttalk21:
In Islam, sin isn't just brushed aside. Allah embodies perfect justice, meaning every wrongdoing is taken into account. If someone commits a heinous act like rape and devastates lives, their sincere repentance might lead to Allah’s forgiveness, but they still have to confront the consequences of their actions. On the Day of Judgment, the victims will claim their share of the perpetrator's good deeds until justice is served. If those good deeds run out, the perpetrator will carry the weight of their victims' sins and face punishment in Hell. Repentance in Islam isn’t a free pass; it demands genuine remorse, a commitment to change, restitution when possible, and accountability to both Allah and the victims.

Sin is brushed aside in Islam: that had been your claim that Allah just FORGIVE the sinner by his mercy.

This was why I asked you the question that you have not answered till now.
What do you think should be his reward for his act of rape by this man?

Your claim of trading of good for evil is naive. Using this rapist as an example, what good will replace the mother of these children? What amount of money will atone for the violent rape of this woman. What good will erase the death and destruction of the lives of these children.

What if the victim is already a candidate for hell?
What share of the transgressors good will be transferred to her?

Islam is a com. .edy of spiritual nonsense!

honesttalk21:
Do you Christian say once you accept Jesus Christ as lord and personal saviour all things past are forgiven and you have been made new? Islam doesn't say you are not punished on earth but that this will be both on earth and in the afterlife.

The Christian idea that "Jesus paid it all" might sound comforting, but it falls apart under examination. True justice requires that the guilty face the consequences of their actions; punishing an innocent person is simply wrong. The Bible states, “The soul that sins shall die; the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20). Yet, Christianity asks us to accept that God violated His own principle by punishing Jesus, who was innocent, for the sins of others. This isn’t justice; it’s a distortion of justice.

If the consequence of Sin against God is ETERNITY in Hell Fire, do you think any Human being can completely fully pay such a price?

This is why only God can pay it for man.

A human being cannot pay for the sin of another: it is impossible. But the question is according to the Bible, is Jesus a mere human being like you and me?
Sorry, you have no case!

The only reason God pays the price of sin for us is that
1. He loves us above any of His Creations
2. It is impossible for any man to pay for his sins

Too bad for Islam that teaches Muslims to reject the SOLUTION of God for the solution of many.

honesttalk21:
The analogy of a son crashing a car and the father covering the costs doesn’t hold up either. That’s a financial issue, not a matter of moral guilt. If a man commits murder and his father is punished instead, no court would deem that just.
Similarly, the notion that only an “infinite Jesus” could atone for sins is riddled with contradictions. If Jesus is God, then who died on the cross? God can’t die. If only the human aspect died, then the sacrifice was limited. If the divine aspect died, then God would have ceased to exist; an impossibility.

I used an illustration according to the limitations of humanity and not with respect to God. Is this illustration valid for justice amongst men?

Sin is against God's integrity and thus only God determines both the punishment and the value of fine to be paid.

honesttalk21:
Islam’s teachings are clearer and more just. Each individual carries their own burden (Qur’an 6:164), just as Ezekiel taught. Victims of oppression receive compensation, the wrongdoer is held accountable, and sincere repentance can still lead to mercy. In contrast, Christianity shifts the blame onto the innocent and leaves victims without recompense. Islam maintains both divine justice and mercy without any contradictions.

Don't forget that according to you, Allah forgives according to his mercy meaning that the sinner goes free without any consequence for violating the kunfayakun of Allah.

Islamic doctrine actually show that sin is trivial!
Sorry!

honesttalk21:
In Christianity, it often seems like the guilty can escape punishment while the innocent suffer; on the other hand, in Islam, the guilty face consequences, victims receive compensation, and God’s mercy is always available. Which of these systems truly embodies divine justice?

Again, putting your claim to test.
This rapist repents and says la illah illa lah and becomes a Muslim. Allah forgives him without him paying for the gravity of his sin.

honesttalk21:
The saying, “No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another,” reminds us that each individual is responsible for their own actions (6:164, 17:15, 35:18, 39:7, 53:38).

Imam al-Nawawi explains that this metaphorical language isn’t about literally transferring sins from one person to another. Instead, it highlights that disbelievers will face consequences for their own disbelief and wrongdoings, while Muslims can find forgiveness through Allah’s mercy.

Your hadith says that Muslims will be REMOVED from Hell and Christians and Jews would be used to replace them. If I am wrong, please quote the hadith and not imam al-Nawawi

honesttalk21:
It’s important to note that the punishment faced by Jews and Christians doesn’t exempt Muslims; there’s no swapping of burdens here.

Muslims find salvation through their faith and Allah’s mercy, while those Jews and Christians who turn away from the truth will be held accountable for their own actions.

When we talk about “ransom” in this context, it’s more of a figurative contrast rather than a literal substitution. The phrase “your ransom from Hell-fire” suggests that the punishment some Muslims might deserve is instead placed upon the disbelievers who have earned it through their disbelief and misdeeds.

Another valid interpretation is that the sins carried by Jews and Christians often stem from the misguided teachings or innovations they introduced, which led others into sin. For instance, if they influenced Muslims to stray, then the weight of leading others astray falls heavily on their shoulders (Quran 16:25).

Please read the hadith and repeat exactly what it says and don't re-interprete it to say what you want.

The hadith is extremely simple and clear. Christians and Jews are your ransom from the Fire of Hell.
"No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another,” is contradicted by this hadith.

Sorry!

honesttalk21:
Or how does Christianity contradict the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, nor the father the iniquity of the son;Ezekiel 18:20
Oh Jesus is not the father of Christians so it doesn't apply.

And Deut. 24:16 that each will die for his own sin

No human being can pay the price of sin for another human being.
Why?
All human beings are sinners by nature.


The wages of Sin is ETERNITY in Hell: whoever will pay this price must be worth INFINITY in all ramifications.

This is why the LAMB of God that takes away the sin of the World has a Value of INFINITY in all ramifications.

This explains why JESUS is NOT a man like you and me BUT is One who has the value of INFINITY in all Ramifications.

honesttalk21:
In Islam, sin is never taken lightly. It has serious repercussions on three fronts: the guilt felt before Allah, the tangible harm inflicted on others, and the rights of victims that must be addressed. A rapist who has caused a woman's death and left her children to suffer will bear the full weight of these consequences on the Day of Judgment. The Prophet pbuh referred to such individuals as “bankrupt.” They might arrive with their prayers and fasting, but their victims will claim their good deeds as compensation. Once those run out, the sins of the victims will be placed upon them before they are cast into Hell.

It is good that you are now seeing sin as more than just disobedience but one with for more damaging long lasting impact.

But Allah waves this sin away without justice. Isn't this your argument all along ?

honesttalk21:
Simply saying la ilaha illa Allah won’t wipe away these grave offenses unless it’s paired with genuine repentance, restitution, and forgiveness from those who were wronged.
The Qur’an clearly states that anyone who unjustly takes a life will face Hell, divine anger, and a curse (Qur’an 4:93). At the same time, the victims are not forgotten as every bit of pain they endured is noted and rewarded by Allah.

So, the rapist says he is sorry and has genuinely repented. .. Has this erased the gravity of his sin?
Is his repentance equal to the damage he has committed?

What happened to justice?

honesttalk21:
This approach is far more equitable than what is found in Christianity.
In that faith of Christianity, a criminal who “accepts Jesus” is often deemed forgiven, leaving their victims without any form of compensation. This not only undermines justice but also mercy, as it excuses the guilty while neglecting the oppressed. In contrast, Islam ensures that every wrong is rectified, every victim is honored, and every crime is accounted for. This way, divine justice is upheld, human responsibility is recognized, and mercy remains available for those who truly repent.

Jesus paid the fine or punishment for the sins of the sinner.
It's like a son had an accident with his car damaging several things worth billions and his father by himself paid for ALL the damages. Is this fair in law and use of justice


I asked you a simple question:
What do you think should be his reward for his act of rape by this man?


In Christianity, Jesus Christ is our Ransom from the consequences of Sin unfortunately, for you Muslims, we Christians and Jews are your own ransom.
Does this make sense to you?

honesttalk21:
All these horrible events happen outside the scope of your YHWH or he hasn't been the same since you slung him up on the cross?

I gave you a simple case to illustrate the fallout and consequence of SIN for you to apply Islamic logic and doctrine


A man rapes a woman who ended up getting pregnant with an ectopic pregnancy. She died on the operating table. Her four children dropped out of school. They became destitutes. One was crushed by a Trailer, Ritual killers harvested the skull of one while she slept under the bridge, one in desperation due to hardship drank sniper and died and the last is awaiting execution for armed robbery. All caused by this man.

What do you think should be his reward for his act of rape?

Muslims think that sin is just an action, they don't know that the consequences go beyond the man.

According to you,
Allah says to this man, "because you said lah illah ila lah, your sins are forgiven". How about the damages caused? Who pays for it? Is it this woman or her children?


Muslims do not understand a hoot about spiritual things and worse, they don't understand the magnitude of sin. Sin is the violation of the INTEGRITY of the Almighty God

honesttalk21:
Terrific lengths you go to in lies. Saying things I didn't say or characteristically taking my words out of context as you often do with hadith and try with Qur'an verses.

Attention mischievously lieing tenq.

In Islam, Allah’s sovereignty is absolute. Allah is the Creator of everything, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs (Qur’an 39:62). However, He has given humans and jinn the gift of free will as a test. And We guided him to the two paths (Qur’an 90:10). This freedom doesn’t take away from His power, since you do not will except that Allah wills (Qur’an 81:29). Sin happens only because Allah allows it, in His wisdom, to reveal sincerity, hypocrisy, repentance, and rebellion yet He remains fully in control, and humans are still accountable for their actions.

The Bible reflects a similar balance. In the Old Testament, it states, I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil, I the LORD do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7), highlighting God’s ultimate authority. Still, humans are held responsible for their decisions. I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live (Deuteronomy 30:19). In the New Testament, Paul reinforces this idea for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose (Philippians 2:13).

In conclusion, both the Qur’an and the Bible affirm that God’s sovereignty and human responsibility go hand in hand. Sin doesn’t undermine God’s authority; rather, it unfolds within His divine plan, leaving humanity accountable to their Creator.

Let me ask you, why is it that when only Adam and Eve existed in the garden of Eden, God did not stop them from disobeying the command not to eat fruit from the tree from which they were forbidden.

Anyway, your base faulty philosophy that there must be transactional payment for sin to be forgiven.
Why does your God require blood sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood shed?

Is Allah's kunfayakun also binding on Beings with free Will such as Angels, Humans and Jinn!?

Is it true you said:

Imagine a scientist or engineer remaining conflicted and confused about the creative power of God that includes the free will given to man. Allah decreed a world in which man could choose to disobey, this is still within kunfayakun.

You just simply said that man can disobey Allah's command BUT it is still within kunfayakun.

Did I hear you just (with gross Ignorance) say:
Sin doesn’t undermine God’s authority; rather, it unfolds within His divine plan, leaving humanity accountable to their Creator.

God says: Don't do.... BUT You did it anyways
God says: Be.... BUT You went contrary to His command
God says: Do this.... BUT You Refused to Do it


But to you, these Blatant and Gross Disobedience of Humans does NOT undermine God's authority.
SMH!



The consequence of Sin against YHWH the Creator of Everything is Eternal Disconnection from Him in a place God designates as Hell.

So, what is the consequence of Sin by Man or Angels or Jinn according to Allah?

Good.
Trump is so unpredictable and many times irrational. For the sake of future business from Russia, he could sacrifice Ukraine.
It's not his first time.

Walai:
Op go and treat erectile dysfunction no dey whine us. She took off cloth and you turn philosopher, if I hear

Just because he acted as a Thinking Man rather than a He-Goat!?

It is not every gift that should be taken

honesttalk21:
Imagine a scientist or engineer remaining conflicted and confused about the creative power of God that includes the free will given to man. Allah decreed a world in which man could choose to disobey, this is still within kunfayakun.

Continue in your cannibal ways following in your skewed beliefs that God requires blood sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood shed


Hahaha 🤣 🤣 🤣 You didn't remember to screenshot this response and skew it to post up?

According to you:
Allah is NOT Sovereign over Man, Angels or Jinn because they have free Will.


Unfortunately,
There is no FreeWill in Islam. Isn't everything the DESTINY of Allah?

It is Allah you causes a Man to commit sin by his destiny only to turn around to claim forgiveness.

How can a man be guilty of what he was programmed to do by Allah?


You have just proved it that he author of SIN is Allah because he destined People to commit sin.

Thank you very much.









Your grasp of spiritual things is dismally abysmal at the least in Islam. This is your problem!

honesttalk21:
Fantastic.
1. Your God must justify his forgiving the imperfectness of mankind who errs? Isn't sincere regret and repentance not enough justification? Oh no mankind must pay by spilling blood of the innocent.
How is this not further misdeed?

Unfortunately you don't bring sentiments and emotions into the law. No matter how much you say and sign papers an adopted person is never biological. Then you ignore the fact that the initial marriage was already gone.

Even your book tells you the perfection you seek is not in this world.
the whole creation groans and travails in pain until now (Romans 8:22)

My kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36)
For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come (Hebrews 13:14)


Keep skewing your responses. Glad to note you always screenshot your responses as you anticipate it's deletion.

Then don't forget to answer.

Which is greater a God who forgives directly with mercy, or a God who requires sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood?

1. Is Allah just?
2. What is the meaning?
3. Is it just to allow a sinner go without consequences?

Your Question:
Which is greater a God who forgives directly with mercy, or a God who requires sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood ?



The God (YHWH) who Pays for the damage caused by Sin by Himself so that the Sinner can go free is the greatest.
Why?
1. His justice is not compromised
2. His love is also made manifest to the sinner who received His gift of forgiveness
3. The consequences of the sin of the Sinner is fully PAID so that he at no personal cost is GUILTLESS!




The God who forgives directly without justice forfeits his sovereignty because a Sinner who violated his integrity suffers ZERO consequence for his insubordination which makes this God completely UNJUST!
Why?
1. This God called Allah doesn't understand that sin is a violation of his integrity as God.
2. This God is completely UNJUST because the wicked man is granted freedom without paying for the consequences of his sin


A man rapes a woman who ended up getting pregnant with an ectopic pregnancy. She died on the operating table. Her four children dropped out of school. They became destitutes. One was crushed by a Trailer, Ritual killers while she slept under the bridge, one in desperation due to hardship drank sniper and died and the last is awaiting execution for armed robbery. All caused by this man.

What do you think should be his reward for his act of rape?

Muslims think that sin is just an action, they don't know that the consequences go beyond the man.

According to you,
Allah says to this man, "because you said Allah illa lah, your sins are forgiven". How about the damages caused? Who pays for it? Is it this woman or her children?


Muslims do not understand a hoot about spiritual things and worse, they don't understand the magnitude of sin. Sin is the violation of the INTEGRITY of the Almighty God

honesttalk21:
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In any case,


You seem to confuse Allah’s creative command—“Be, and it is”—with His moral commands to humans, like “Do not steal.” When people disobey, it doesn’t make God’s word fail; it only highlights human weakness within Allah’s decree.

Regarding the claim that the Prophet pbuh snatched a man’s wife, and you’re likely referring to Zaynab’s marriage. In reality, this was a divine command meant to abolish false adoption laws. It was a public matter, not a secret, and Zayd, her husband, had already divorced her. Allah revealed verses about this (Qur’an 33:37). To call this “stealing wives” is polemic, not historical fact.

If the Prophet pbuh were deceitful, his enemies who opposed him for 23 years—would have been first to record such accusations. Yet, even they called him al-Amīn, “the Trustworthy.”

Forgiveness doesn’t erase history; it removes punishment. Only the Almighty can transform sin into good. The Qur’an remains unmatched in guidance, depth, and preservation, and differences in tafsīr reflect richness, not weakness. Attacks on the Prophet pbuh are often recycled polemics that have long been refuted.

Again I ask; which is greater a God who forgives directly with mercy, or a God who requires sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood?

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And your question have also been answered here before it was deleted

honesttalk21:
Again I ask; which is greater a God who forgives directly with mercy, or a God who requires sacrifice because He cannot forgive without blood?

The God who Pays for the Damage caused by the OFFENDER as a consequence of FORGIVING him is the Merciful God. The God whose kunfayakun cannot be violated without consequences is the Holy God.

The God whose kunfayakun was violated and he cannot restore it looses his almightiness. Because the OFFENDER goes scot-free with no consequence for his offence. Isn't this how Allah forgives? Allah waves away SIN because he doesn't know that sin is a violation of his integrity as God!

The question still remains:
What can be done to UNDO the IRREVERENCE of a Sinner to the Almighty God.Only a Deity that doesn't know the meaning of "The Almighty" and what it means to be "Holy" will swallow the contempt of his own creature.

I guess you don't even understand what it means when we say "God is Holy"!

honesttalk21:
Disagreement in tafsīr, or the interpretation of the Qur'an, should not be seen as a flaw; rather, it represents a wealth of perspective. The Qur'an is profound. A gem whose brilliance reflects a spectrum of meanings.
Scholars do not set out to "correct" the Qur'an; instead, they seek to explore its intricate layers. Much like how we wouldn’t dismiss the field of medicine simply because different doctors interpret symptoms in varying ways, even when they all agree on the existence of the body, the same applies to the understanding of the Qur'an.

The Qur'an offers guidance on multiple levels. Its fundamental principles such as tawḥīd (the oneness of God), justice, prayer, and mercy are clear to everyone. However, its deeper meanings often require scholarly insight, much like how the Bible calls for the expertise of pastors and theologians.

Every so-called error that critics point out has already been addressed by both Muslim scholars and neutral observers. Take, for instance, the reference to seven heavens or seven earths. This is understood as layers or realms rather than a literal stacking of planets. Labeling these interpretations as errors imposes contemporary scientific terminology onto a 7th-century text. It’s important to remember that the Qur'an is not intended to be a science textbook; it serves as a guide, pointing us towards Allah.

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honesttalk21:
When it comes to truth, the Qur’an stands unmatched in its language, prophecy, and preservation. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was known as al-Amin, the trustworthy. In Islam, Jesus is recognized as the Messiah, born of a virgin, a word and spirit from Allah. Honored, but not divine. The different names (Yeshua/Isa) are simply variations in language, not different individuals.

-If the Qur'an is so unmatched in language, how come there are volumes of Tafsirs which often -disagreed with each other.
-How come the Qur'an cannot be read by a layman and understood unless it passed through the lenses of your Scholars.
-The Qur'an is so unmatched and we have serious obvious scientific error in it.
-Quran is so perfect that it contains serious historical errors and blunders.
-The Qur'an is so great yet we find it plagiarising tales of the ancients

Your claims about the Qur'an fall down yakata on the slightest scrutiny.

Your prophet is the Al-Amin, yet we find him telling lies to his wife about her house girl.
Your prophet is Al-Amin, yet he went into a Muslim man's house when the man wasn't home only to later snatch the man's wife.

If I cannot trust you with my wife, you certainly must be very trustworthy

honesttalk21:
Islam’s God forgives directly out of His mercy, while Christianity suggests that God is powerless to forgive without sacrificing His own son. So, who truly embodies the Almighty?

So, I asked!
How can one UNDO ones violation of God's command after it has been violated?

You still seem not to comprehend that what makes God the Almighty is that His Commands CANNOT fail but be carried out to the letter!

How can Allah be the almighty when he commands and the command fails? Please tell me!?

honesttalk21:
You present your challenge with force, but it seems like you're mixing up some concepts and then pointing fingers at Islam for being weak. You're just inclined to controversy, argument.

You seem to misunderstand the term kun fayakun.It signifies Allah’s creative command when He wills something, it simply comes into being. Human sin doesn’t break His command; it unfolds within His divine decree, according to His will, for which we are held accountable. A sin can't be wiped from history, but Allah has the power to forgive its consequences or even turn it into good deeds, showcasing His justice and mercy together.

Moral commands, like "Do not steal," aren't creative decrees; they represent taklif; the responsibilities placed on humans. When a person disobeys, these commands aren't broken; rather, the individual sins within the framework of Allah’s decree.

So, when Iblis chose to disobey, it didn’t mean Allah’s command failed. That disobedience was already known, willed, and included in Allah’s decree, allowing for the manifestation of free will and accountability. The Qur’an makes this very clear:

When it comes to truth, the Qur’an stands unmatched in its language, prophecy, and preservation. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was known as al-Amin, the trustworthy. In Islam, Jesus is recognized as the Messiah, born of a virgin, a word and spirit from Allah. Honored, but not divine. The different names (Yeshua/Isa) are simply variations in language, not different individuals.

Islam’s God forgives directly out of His mercy, while Christianity suggests that God is powerless to forgive without sacrificing His own son. So, who truly embodies the Almighty?

Here yourself

So, when Iblis chose to disobey, it didn’t mean Allah’s command failed. That disobedience was already known, willed, and included in Allah’s decree, allowing for the manifestation of free will and accountability. The Qur’an makes this very clear:

1. Allah commands Iblis to prostrate to Adam
2. Iblis refused to carry out Allah's order
BUT
Islamically, Allah's command did not Fail!



See your warped Logic!

Is it TRUE that
kunfayakun signifies the divine power of Allah to create and command, underscoring His supreme authority over ALL THINGS or is it over SOME THINGS?

Which one is it?

honesttalk21:
Please don't break your neck, it will still be required to carry your head after the junk of misinformation is corrected.

The hadith discussing the seven heavens and seven earths isn’t just a simplistic flat-stacked planets idea. It refers to

1. Literal unseen reality. The heavens and earths do exist, but their true nature is beyond what we can comprehend (bila kayf).

2. Cosmological metaphor. The term “seven” symbolizes layers or regions, similar to the seven strata of the earth or the seven celestial spheres.

3. Spiritual symbol representing the stages of the soul’s ascent and descent.

When it mentions 500 years, it’s actually a piece of Arabic rhetoric meant to convey an unimaginable distance, rather than a precise measurement. The Prophet pbuh concluded the narration by referencing Qur’an 57:3 to emphasize that everything above and below is fully within God’s knowledge and power.

This hadith highlights Allah’s transcendence, rather than providing NASA with a cosmic map of the universe.

Is DISTANCE a measure if Physical Dimensions or Not?
Is TIME a duration between States of Physical Dimensions or Not?
Is our Earth and whatever is Below it Physical or Not?

If these are true, then Everything about your unseen is PHYSICAL and LITERAL!

honesttalk21:
What then are God the father, god the son and god the holy spirit with God the father being the greatest? Are these not three distinct entities?

Sorry!
Every creature lacks the power to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time.
Trinity of God makes God to be independently Somewhere and Everywhere without violating His oneness.

The lack of comprehension of this fact is the bane of Islam.

Can Allah be simultaneously independently Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?

honesttalk21:
Is it possible to undo a violation of God's kun fayakun?

It seems there's a misunderstanding about what kun fayakun really means.

The Qur’an states, “His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Qur’an 36:82). This highlights God's creative command. Creation itself is obedient; it doesn’t “violate” Him.

So, the foundation of your question is a bit off. Nothing in creation can “undo” or “violate” God's command. The entire universe relies on Him; He is al-Qadir (the All-Powerful).

When sin happens, it’s not that God’s word is “broken.” Instead, He chose to create humans with free will and established consequences for their actions. Forgiveness isn’t a contradiction; it’s simply another expression of His Will.

It seems you do not understand my question: kunfayakun is beyond God's creative command. It involves ALL commands of God.

What makes God who he is His kunfayakun!
Meaning that ALL God's command without exception MUST be executed to the letter.

God says to man; Do not fornicate, do not worship idols: do not steal.

A man goes opposite to the kunfayakun of God by DOING the Opposite of God's command, their by making God's command to fail . This is what is called SIN.

The question is:
Is it possible for a man who had violated God's command to undo what he has done?

Tell me, if it is possible for Iblis to undo the fact that when Allah says "prostrate to Adam" and he refused!

honesttalk21:
Does God’s forgiveness without justice remove the violation?

In Islam, forgiveness isn’t without justice.

He is al-ʿAdl (The Just) and al-Raḥman (The Merciful).

Justice means that every soul is accountable for its own deeds. “No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another.” (Qur’an 6:164).

Mercy means He may choose to forgive out of His grace.

There’s no contradiction here, as He forgives whom He wills without compromising justice. How is that possible? Because He holds the rights to punishment. If He decides to forgive, it’s His prerogative as the Sovereign King.

In contrast, Christianity suggests that God cannot forgive without bloodshed. That’s not a display of omnipotence, but rather a limitation. In tawhid, God forgives directly, showcasing a greater majesty.

You don't still understand the question!
Let's assume that Allah forgives Iblis, does this undo the fact that Allah commands was violated by him?

What is the ultimate punishment for Sin in Islam?

honesttalk21:
Show any miracle of Allah that was witnessed by anyone that proves He is God

Here, you’re mixing up the Creator with creation. God doesn’t need to perform tricks to prove Himself to anyone. His miracle is existence itself. The Qur’an says:

“In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, are signs for those of understanding.” (Qur’an 3:190).

But since you’re asking for witnessed miracles:

The Qur’an itself stands as a miracle, unparalleled in its language, prophecy, and preservation. (Even scholars from the West acknowledge its uniqueness.)

Historical miracles attributed to Muhammad (pbuh) include water flowing from his hands, the moon splitting, and the prophecies of the Qur’an coming to fruition. These events have been reported by entire communities (mutawatir).

So, how do you know that Allah's claims are TRUE?
A Dirty says:
I created everything ...
I have all powers ..
I can do anything..

How do you know he is speaking the truth?
Talk is cheap!

honesttalk21:
The issue isn’t a lack of evidence; it’s a refusal to acknowledge it Reminiscent of the Jews and Israelite in the Bible?

Now, who is Jesus?

We hold him in higher regard than your doctrine suggests.

According to the Qur’an: “The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, His word that He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him.” (Qur’an 4:171).

So, he is:

- The Messiah
- A Prophet
- The Word (kalimah) from God
- A Spirit from God

But he is not God Himself. Why? Because the Creator doesn’t eat, sleep, or die. To reduce Him to flesh is to diminish His essence.

Islamic redefining of Jesus is the problem with Islam.
How do you know anything about Jesus Christ?
Is he the same Jesus as the Jesus of the Christians?
Note: Your own Jesus name is Isa and not Ye'shua

honesttalk21:
Regarding the Trinity and the Spirit:

You might ask: “Is Jesus the Holy Spirit or an unholy spirit?”

This reflects some confusion on your part

In Christianity, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit; they are considered distinct “persons” within the Trinity.

In Islam, the Ruh ul-Qudus refers to Jibrīl (Gabriel), the angelic spirit of revelation.

The “spirit” that was breathed into Jesus (Qur’an 66:12) represents the created life force.

So, to clarify; Jesus is a prophet, not the Holy Spirit. In our belief, Jibril is the Holy Spirit, not Jesus.

Did the Qur'an not call Jesus a SPIRIT from Allah?
Is he the Unholy Spirit since Jibril is the Holy spirit according to Muslims.

honesttalk21:
Now, let’s address the notion of salvation in Islam.

Islam does not reject salvation.

Rather, it rejects the idea that God must sacrifice Himself to grant forgiveness. That’s not salvation; that’s a myth.

Our path to salvation isn’t about “rituals” but about submission (Islam).

“Whoever submits his face to Allah and does good he will have his reward with his Lord, and no fear will there be upon them, nor will they grieve.” (Qur’an 2:112)

Islam isn’t about ritual instead of salvation it’s about direct accountability before God without priest or blood sacrifice.

All these are repetitions of assertions which doesn't make it true.

Do you believe that doing good cancel out sin against God?