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ezeaguisforever:
Now you've completely confused yourself while trying to dig yourself out of a hole you created. Where did I substitute the Imo River for the Bonny River when I gave you the information for all the rivers? Keep joking.

Nope. Any confusion here is actually emanating from you. In your post made earlier today at 3.19pm, wasn't this what you said: "What I should have written is the Bonny River......" Or have you forgotten? Can you see the hole you dug yourself into? Citing a river that does not even run through Igboland as your access to the sea?

ezeaguisforever:
I was being conservative by not giving you the width of the estuatries and mouths of the Imo and New Kalabar, the Imo River is the boundary between Rivers (Igbo, Opobo and Ogoni land) and Akwa Ibom (Ibibio), it doesn't go through Akwa Ibom.

This the mouth of the New Kalabar is around a mile wide, same with the Imo below it. What I should have written was the Bonny River, you see there are so manny rivers and islands in the areas. The Bonny Rivers goes round Yellow Island into the Bonny Estuary which is around 5 miles wide...

nwanlecha:
My dear, from the explanations @Ezeagu has given you, it's quite glaring to even a dumb man that Igbo land clearly has access to the sea and is not landlocked.
Your comments now reek of your desperation to force Igbo land to be landlocked, LOL! Just stop already so you don't keep making a fool of your self k.

Madam, nobody is forcing Igboland to be anything. And if anyone is desperate on this thread, it must be you as I cannot see any sign of desperation anywhere. For you to have made that comment, you obviously did not read all my posts in this thread with an open mind.

ezeaguisforever:
So you have nothing left right? Because rambling means you communicate without making any points so you're actually doing the rambling right now. Just stop, unfollow the thread and act like this didn't happen.

How funny. You are the one that actually got confused at the end of your epistle, when you had to substitute Bonny River for Imo river after going on at length about how big New Kalabar and Imo rivers were. Now, the rest of us are laughing at your ramblings, and waiting for your container ships to start sailing from Igbo land through Imo river & New Kalabar into the sea!!

ezeaguisforever:
LOL this person really tried but fear catch am when they realised their point was crooked and ultimately fell flat on their face. They tried to argue for Switzerland having access to the sea via the Rhine, now they were trying to measure the mouth of the Imo. Jokers.

No, you were the one that actually fell flat on your face when you ended your postulations, by claiming Bonny River. After going on about how Imo river and New Kalabar were as wide as the Rhine and the Thames, you then digressed and said: "I should have said Bonny River," in your bid to support your earlier assertion that Imo River and New Kalabar provides access to the sea.

ezeaguisforever:
Is this an admittance that your statements were trash and that you've failed or that you've just got nothing more to say?

Nah, it just shows you shot yourself in the foot, with your assertions. And when people resort to using words like 'trash' to describe the points made by others, it just shows they have lost the plot! Continue rambling....

ezeaguisforever:
The Bonny River runs through Port Harcourt from Elele. Anymore questions or will you find something else to twist in your favour and act like you haven't completely 'drowned'?

Thank you for answering the question. You have just let us know that Bonny River does not run through Igboland, so those your 'ships' that would sail from Igboland, would still rely on Nigerian waters such as Bonny river, in order to get to the sea.

Nobody is twisting anything. You are the expert in doing that. We are waiting for the day your container ships would set sail from Igboland, and head for the sea. You actually drowned yourself way back, with the assertion that ships sail through Imo river....

ezeaguisforever:
You're just really trying to seem like your point still stands. Why would I mention the Bonny River if it doesn't run through Igboland? Where did I discount Imo and Orashi, did I not give you information about the width of those rivers? Did I not post pictures for the Imo's mouth? What are you really talking about? In fact the reason why I gave so many rivers was because people like you and HopeAtHand will come and argue certain places aren't Igbo. Stop trying to do 'sense' because your points have been blown out of the 'water'. LOL.

Na wa, oh! Why are you getting worked up? You have given the sizes and widths of Orashi and Imo Rivers in your bid to show that Biafra has access to the sea. Okay o, maybe those ships you cited earlier would soon start plying the Imo river to the sea. The day we see it, we would believe. If you do not understand what exactly I am talking about, then please go back and re-read all my posts with an open mind.

Nobody said you discounted Orashi and Imo river. You are the one that brought them up, in the same way you have brought up Bonny river. Why are you now grasping at straws instead of answering my last question?? I have asked that same question 4 times and instead of providing a direct answer, you are rambling. What part of Igboland does Bonny River run through, since you have claimed that it is one of the many rivers that runs through Igboland, which gives Biafra direct access to the sea?

Is that question too difficult for you to understand? Is that why you are seeking HopeAt Hand's help to provide an answer?? Were you not the same person who made the statement below?

ezeaguisforever:
I was being conservative by not giving you the width of the estuatries and mouths of the Imo and New Kalabar, the Imo River is the boundary between Rivers (Igbo, Opobo and Ogoni land) and Akwa Ibom (Ibibio), it doesn't go through Akwa Ibom.

This the mouth of the New Kalabar is around a mile wide, same with the Imo below it. What I should have written was the Bonny River, you see there are so manny rivers and islands in the areas. The Bonny Rivers goes round Yellow Island into the Bonny Estuary which is around 5 miles wide.

What kind of title does it have? Is it dry land? What is the size per plot? Hope it is not waterlogged?

ezeaguisforever:
Why are you pretending like your questions weren't asked and answered two posts ago? Is it because they weren't the answers you wanted or that you didn't want there to be answers at all? Why are you bringing up pointless notes?

You asked what the rivers were, and I've even given you an additional one, the Bonny River which is similar to the New Kalabar which is also navigable but does not come straight from Port Harcourt unlike the Bonny River, so what's your point now?

Guy, you are the one exuding pretence on this board. Haba, if I didn't want answers, would I have asked questions? The answers you provided are in public domain, and anyone can draw their conclusions from those 'answers.'

However, you have been jumping from pillar to post, citing Orashi river, Imo river, New Kalabar and now you have finally digressed to start rambling about Bonny River. And this has led to more questions.

My last question to you, (since you mentioned Bonny River) is: does Bonny River run through Igboland? What are the areas of Igbo land that Bonny river runs through? Why is it so difficult for you to provide an answer, and why on earth are you getting defensive ?

I don't get it, oh!

ezeaguisforever:
Contradicting where? There are several rivers that run through and out from Igboland. The Bonny River is the route ships take from Port Harcourt, but there are many different routes and this is because everything below is mostly island. The overall point being that there are multiple outlets to the sea.

You didn't originally ask for the Orashi, so there was nothing to forget, do you want the width of that plus it's mouth as well? It has a width of around 500 feet on average, around the same size as the River Thames in London and it hasn't even been embanked and the mouth is 1000 ft wide.

What next?

Go back to your initial post. You were the one that mentioned Orashi river, along with Imo river, not I.

Along the line, you suddenly stopped talking about Orashi and switched to New Kalabar river and Imo river, in your bid to show that these rivers which flow through Igboland flow into the sea, so by virtue of this fact Biafra has access to the sea. This was done as part of your efforts to disprove statements that Biafra is landlocked.

Now, you have switched to Bonny river, which was originally NOT a part of this discourse. And my question to you is simple: does Bonny River run through Igbo land? Or why would you bring it up at the last minute??

ezeaguisforever:
I was being conservative by not giving you the width of the estuatries and mouths of the Imo and New Kalabar, the Imo River is the boundary between Rivers (Igbo, Opobo and Ogoni land) and Akwa Ibom (Ibibio), it doesn't go through Akwa Ibom.

This the mouth of the New Kalabar is around a mile wide, same with the Imo below it. What I should have written was the Bonny River, you see there are so manny rivers and islands in the areas. The Bonny Rivers goes round Yellow Island into the Bonny Estuary which is around 5 miles wide.

Bonny River Ships

Ship on the Bonny River

Imo River mouth at Opobo.

Or, it's an island so you go around in the water surrounding it. LOL.

You can see the topography of the area by this US satellite map, much of the area are islands and mangrove. What you people are suggesting is that this place can be legally blockaded by Nigeria in the event of Port Harcourt being part of an Igbo country. LOL.

Now you are just contradicting yourself. What does Bonny River have to do with this? You were talking about Imo River, New Kalabar (you have forgotten Orashi river), and now suddenly you have digressed to reach out for Bonny River. Does Bonny River run through Igboland??

What kind of title does it have? Is it far from the express? What is the size of the plot? Hope it is not waterlogged?

Pls what is the title on the land and how much is it going for?

dayozilon:
Tokinho is being a little harsh here..shouldn't you bother to know what's going down b4 calling some1 a fraud?
Mr Dayo, barka de sallah. If this land is for sale, give us a re-brief.

Mr. Dayo, please is this land still available, and is it located close to the Lekki expressway? Hope it is not waterlogged and can be developed immediately?

ezeagu:
Not the Calabar River, the New Kalabar River running from Port Harcourt, and the comment on mangroves means the whole area is landless, it's just vegetation and water connected to barrier islands. I told you I don't know, you'll have to find out the sizes of the for yourself, according to wikipedia the average discharge of the Imo is nearly twice the rhine and the according to Google maps the Imo at Obete (Igboland) is at least 1000 ft wide excluding mangrove and other vegetation. The Rhine has an average of 1,300 ft, the River Thames for comparison has bridges which are only 800 ft wide and it has carried all sorts of naval ships, the Port of New Orleans on the Mississippi river meets the river at a width of 2000ft, yet this is the river.

Interesting! A river can be wide at one end and very narrow at the other end. The most important question is this: At what point does the Imo River, New Kalabar River (and those other rivers you mentioned earlier) open up to the sea?? And what is the width at the point where it opens into the sea? Even if Imo river is 1,000 ft wide at Obete as you claim, is that width sustained all through its length down south? If it ends up being 10ft wide at the lower end where it is expected to drain into the sea and if it is blocked by an island, (as the river also passes through Akwa Ibom) on its course down south, it may not be easy for vessels to pass through it. Smaller vessels might get through, but container-carrying ships might run aground.

The picture you posted illustrated a large vessel at the Port of New Orleans on the Missisippi River. Can such vessels successfully navigate the New Kalabar River and Imo River?? I doubt it.

ezeagu:
What I know is tankers enter both the New Kalabar and Imo (Ibeno) to a certain extent near Igbo land, all that's left is a bit of dredging. The Onne Wharf is less than 1000 ft in width.

The UN is sympathetic towards access to the sea, there's is no way Nigeria will be supported if it tries to use islands as a way to block Port Harcourt or whatever other port.

I do not know the size of the tankers that you claim have entered the New Kalabar and Imo Rivers, but it is unlikely to be the size of that container loading vessel that was shown in your illustration.

If an island blocks a port, any country that wants its ships to pass through its waters would have to negotiate for access, and meet various stipulated conditions. If that island is too large to allow a large vessel pass through, additional transhipment costs would be incurred.

lezz:
Coming from you I'll take it as a complement. Reality often doesn't have much appeal.

Classic response!! Chisos, I love this!

Can you kindly post the pictures here, please?

great664:
Haven't you heard of refineries the federal government close as illegal, yes there are illegal but still able yo refine crude, why not the FG give them paper to make them legal,

Google is ur friend

No, Google has nothing to do with this. The only so-called 'refineries' that were closed down, are fabricated barges in the creeks where militants refine stolen crude got from vandalised pipelines and flow station lines. The diesel they produce is even totally off-spec., full of impurities and can cause 'knocked' engines.

How can you be justifying the refining of stolen crude in the creeks?? And vandalisation of pipelines from which these so-called refining companies get their crude??

No price? No information on the land title? No description of plot sizes?

great664:
Lol, read my post again and understand that I . Didn't base it on OEAS or any org, I was just sharing my views on hoow buhari made the agitation stronger by claiming to marginilize the . 5% and how the biafra dream can be delayed but not changed.

From your heart do you think nigeria is a country or its just a settlement of diffrent tribe wwho occupy this territory ?

A country that cannot bbuild a functional refinery yet keep closing functional ones as illegal ones. A joke to . Other countries

Which functional refinery was closed??

dabriggs:
Nice looking.

Why are people selling off their Land Rovers and Range Rovers?

Do they have serious reliability issues?

That question also crossed my mind. I know the parts are quite expensive, though, and the dashboard is prone to cracks due to the heat.

senibobo:
How can you reach them ?
You can visit their website and order directly online or send them a mail to contact@etyresnigeria.com or call them on 08092347000 or 08092357000. They respond quickly and deliver immediately. Like I said before, pay on delivery within Lagos so you get to see what your buying.

Nice website. Is it possible to make payment on delivery?

jpphilips:
The Aburi conference was where both sides came to a round table to iron issues out and chart a way forward, first, Biafra had only ojukwu and his secretary as their representative while the Nigerian side had 31, including the 21 members of the supreme military council and people who make up our present day FEC.

With this arrangement, Ojukwu's demands was NEVER agreed upon by a vast majority of Biafrans, recall that the Governor general at the time was an Igbo man yet Ojukwu in his infinite wisdom chose to exclude him and presented his phoney demands alone.
Even at that, gowon did not completely renege on the Aburi terms, immediately he returned, he drafted decree 8 which i am sure most of you have no idea that decree 8 accommodated about 90% of Ojukwu's Aburi phoney demands.

the only part Ojukwu disagreed with was where decree 8 states that when necessary, the FG can declare a state of emergency which automatically will suspend the governor, Ojukwu felt it was a plot by Gowon to remove him as governor installed by his igbo Brother Aguiyi ironsi. In a nut shell, the Aburi accord failed largely because ojukwu was unreasonable.
If he accepted the terms of decree 8, there will be no need for any Biafra and the senseless war that ensued....that is the fact I am aware of!!

Quite true! It is on record that Ojukwu ignored all calls for a meeting after the Aburi accord. Next, he took over all federal assets in the East, and even asked Shell to pay royalties from the oil well to him, before the federal government warned Shell to desist from considering such an act.

Ilaje44:
It's common knowledge that the territory known as Delta state was never a part of Eastern Nigeria.

It's also common knowledge that Southeastern Nigeria is not equal to Eastern Nigeria which was the territory that tried to secede, and was called Biafra.

Hence, what the writer wrote up there is his own inaccurate knowledge, and not common knowledge.

The writer also ignored the fact that a land corridor through which food could get into Biafra, was rejected by Ojukwu who preferred the air drops of food so that arms could be hidden inside the dropped parcels.

He also forgot to mention the changing of the currency by the Nigerian govt which rendered the Biafran pound useless. The Biafran pound was not backed by gold or any other valuable index so its worth, could not be ascertained after the war.

And he ignored the invasion of the old Mid-west region and the looting of the Central Bank in Benin by the Biafran forces.

Mynd44:
This is too funny.
Flying boats to be used to service the economy of an entire country?

You have made my night bro.
Thanks

Haven't you ever seen the use of sarcasm and irony?

onomeasike:
I have always been very proud of this erudite professor. He is a professor who must have taught and produced many other professors. He is clearly spot on and it's only an intelligent and educated person that can understand.The op is clearly being mischievous because at no time did Prof call for war and even went on to state how some nations got their independence.All these poorly educated Igbo boys paid by agents of last federal government to brainwash and sacrifice the lives of their brothers will soon meet their disaster.

Yep. He taught a lot of folks in the legal dept in Unilag and was the former Vice-Chancellor of Ekiti State University.

dason4life:
That was the same question I was trying to ask. The organisation that is not recognized even by Wikipedia?

It is sad that an unrecognised rebel group without any international backing, is making decisions for a proposed country called Biafra, and the pro-Biafra supporters are eagerly lapping it up. Sad.

dason4life:
According to the dictionary, "Rebel" is a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or leader. Every member of the OEAS organization are involved in the activities as defined above, including the chairman.

Thank you!! I hope they grasp this definition very quickly. What international clout does this so-called OEAS group even have? Which countries recognise them? Do they carry as much weight as the UN or AU?

ezeaguisforever:
You mean the depth of the Imo or New Kalabar which already have wharfs sited on them and take ships to a great extent and only need a bit of dredging? Or the Niger? I don't know. I'll leave that to your investigations. Because at the end of the day you know this your questioning is irrelevant and bringing up the Rhine collapsed your entire argument.

The bloody Rhine that's hundreds of miles between the North Sea and Switzerland and that actually starts in Switzerland vs the Imo and New Kalabar that are on mangroves and 20 miles from the coast and the ports of Igboland, not including coastal areas that are actually Igbo-speaking/have Igbo heritage like Opobo?

You should now laugh at yourself.

The bloody Rhine you mentioned may be hundreds of miles o, but it is still very wide, quite deep and much larger than your Imo & Orashi rivers. The issue is not whether it is hundred of miles long, but if it is navigable for large vessels. Please can you tell us the size of the Imo river and the others you mentioned, so we can compare it with the size of the Rhine?

What are the size of the ports in Imo, New Calabar etc rivers? What is the size of vessel these ports can accommodate? It is not having a port that matters, but the size and capacity of those ports. There are fishing ports, docking ports etc. Even the Calabar river runs through a huge portion of the Calabar, Efik etc areas before it gets to Igbo land. You need to confirm if they would give right-of-passage and thoroughfare to your area.

I have not seen ships plying Imo river, but I have seen ferries, barges and boats. Please let us know when last you saw ships on Imo river. Then you mentioned mangroves. Are you saying that ships ply mangrove areas? Because most mangrove places also have swampy terrains in many parts.

The Imo River is in southeastern Nigeria and flows 240 kilometres into the Atlantic Ocean. Its estuary is around 40 kilometres wide, and the river has an annual discharge of 4 cubic kilometres with 26,000 hectares of wetland. https://www.google.com.ng/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=length+of+imo+river

The Imo River (Igbo: Imo Mmiri) is in southeastern Nigeria and flows 240 kilometres (150 mi) into the Atlantic Ocean. Its estuary is around 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide,[3] and the river has an annual discharge of 4 cubic kilometres (1.0 cu mi)[4] with 26,000 hectares of wetland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imo_River

Imo River is the major river in Imo state with a large number of tributaries. Imo River being the most prominent, traverses from north to south of the state with a length of about 225 km. In its upper reach, it receives tributaries. It has its source in the Ideato North Area of Imo State near Osina. Its middle reaches flow north to south for some 80 km in the flat valley through the coastal plain lowland without receiving any significant tributaries. The Imo River drained not only Imo State but also Abia and Akwa Ibom States and empties into the Atlantic Ocean. It is joined by Aba River flowing from the North and then enters Akwa Ibom State enroute to the Ocean.  The major tributary of Imo River is the Otamiri River http://www.omicsgroup.org/journals/river-basins-of-imo-state-for-sustainable-water-resources-management-2165-784X.1000134.pdf

It can be seen that the Imo river still has to pass through Akwa-Ibom before it gets to the sea.

The Rhine (German: Rhein) is an European river that begins in the Swiss canton of Graubünden in the southeastern Swiss Alps, forms part of the Swiss-Austrian, Swiss-Liechtenstein border, Swiss-German and then the Franco-German border, then flows through the Rhineland and eventually empties into the North Sea in the Netherlands. It is the second-longest river in Central and Western Europe (after the Danube), at about 1,230 km (760 mi),[2][3] with an average discharge of about 2,900 m3/s (100,000 cu ft/s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine

unite4real:
Wow, so those Rivers and Estuaries will move containers via ships to shore right?

Have u ever heard of the word HINTERLAND?
Thats the right word to be used.

Maybe they do not know the difference between an estuary, a river bank and a sea port.

ezeaguisforever:
Are kidding yourself? And you're here arguing about how Igboland is landlocked, a country which has the Urashi, Imo, New Kalabar, and Cross River, not even talking about the Niger and you're now making a case for one of the most well known land locked countries in the world because of the Rhine?

Please tell us what is the width and depth of each of the rivers you mentioned here (i.e Orashi, Imo, etc), and then compare it with the depth/draft and width of the Rhine. You will see that they are not in the same category. Thank you and God bless.

sleekdot:
Why cant flying boats run the economy, even canoe can run the economy or wheel barrow

Never you underestimate the power of God. Chukwu Okike Abiama can do the impossible.