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 Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 7:44am On Nov 04, 2012 |
ifeness: If yahweh was really the most high god,why did he create imperfect beings? Why was he alway jealous of ba al? Who were the other gods he asked his puppets not to worship? Why did he lead his followers to war? Why is he alway referred as a god of war?God is love, he is Just, he is Holy and he can't behold sin he created humans just like angels to have free will that's why Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God and were cast out of his presence, Adam and Eve disobeyed him out of their free will, indirectly they were saying they didn't need him to tell them what to do, so when the supernatural God steps back from the natural world he created, nature started taking it's course.....man must die and after death he will meet his maker and he will be judged according to the laws that has been given, and because he loves us so much he sent his son Jesus to pay the ransom so that when you stand before him on that day you will be Justified through the blood of the lamb. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 7:34am On Nov 04, 2012 |
musKeeto: Lmfao...if you can't accept that science is was a field/world view that came to be from questioning the church then oh well!...these were the things we learnt in global history in high school for crying out loud |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 7:26am On Nov 04, 2012 |
it is impossible for science to prove anything, because science is based on experiments and observations, both of which can be flawed. Often, those flaws don’t become apparent to the scientific community for quite some time. Flawed experiments and observations, of course, lead to flawed conclusions, so even the most secure scientific statements have never been proven. There might be gobs and gobs of evidence for them, but they have not been proven. we haven't even observed God and experimented on him (which is laughable by the way)  how much more prove his existence  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 7:15am On Nov 04, 2012 |
musKeeto: What the Bleep? Science was invented by white man?umm so black people did? Asians? abeg no kid yourself....."knowledge attained through study or practice," or "knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, esp. as obtained and tested through scientific method and concerned with the physical world." started hundreds of years back in Europe. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 7:11am On Nov 04, 2012 |
atbu1983: science has not officially proven the existed of God. In the science world there are many top scientist who believe in the existence of God and many others who does not. As at today there is no convergence or agreement. Howevere most people who are classified or tag atheist are mostly agnostic. It is true atheist/agnostic are better humans on this planet earth because they are very rational people (mostly intelligent people) and so cannot easily fall pray to sentiments, emotional speeches etc which create hatred, violence, greed etc among religious people. Also atheist/agnostic are also likely to be very successful on this planet because of thier deep understanding of hardwork. They dont live in fantasy (expecting miracles) like most religious people. They believe in sowing and reaping and not some divine favour.fail! can science prove love, in fact can science prove immaterial things but does that make them not exist? just so you know you can't prove anything, you can only follow the evidence. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 6:33am On Nov 04, 2012 |
davidylan:you are right about Logic, Yahweh is not a white man's God, he is the God of all  he chose the Hebrews out of every nation to be ones to take the good news to the others. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Objective Morality Exist Without God? by tevinsolt(op): 4:31am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Some have suggested that we can provide an objective foundation for morality without appealing to God. Morality has just evolved over the centuries, they suggest, because it promotes human flourishing and survival. Whatever promotes human flourishing and survival is good. Whatever doesn’t promote human flourishing and survival is bad. That is all we need for objectivity in morality, they claim.There is no need for God. But if God does not exist, the critical assumption that human beings are objectively valuable is not available. Humans, like everything else in the universe, would be just accidental arrangements of atoms, and therefore, we could not justifiably declare that humans are objectively valuable. Furthermore why think the morality of the human species, above all other species, is objectively binding rather than just our opinion? Moreover, if morality evolved because it produced survival benefits, we would not have objective moral principles & obligations. We would sense that objective moral obligations exist, but they really wouldn’t. Once we’ve figured out that our feeling of morality with regard to say, rape, is just a biological adaptation inculcated into us over millions of years, then we would have no reason to regard rape as objectively wrong anymore. Since, we know that objective moral principles & obligations do exist, and since they cannot exist without God, it follows that God exists. (modus tollens) If the God of classical theism existed, an objective foundation for morality would exist. God’s holy and good nature would be the objective standard. God’s nature would be expressed through divine commands which would flow necessarily from his moral nature. Thus we would have objective moral principles & obligations. Written by Michael Horner |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Objective Morality Exist Without God? by tevinsolt(op): 4:31am On Nov 04, 2012 |
The judgments we make when ourselves and others are unjustly treated, like in the above atrocities, reveal what we really believe about morality, regardless of what we say we believe. We believe that these atrocities are moral abominations, not just infringements of mere social conventions or personal dislikes. If objective moral principles & obligations do not exist where does our sense of duty and obligation come from? This leads us to premise 1. If there is no God it is difficult to see how there could be any objective foundation, any universal standard for good and evil. How do you get ethics from only different arrangements of space, time, matter and energy? A purely materialistic universe would be morally indifferent. We would have only individual or cultural opinion, but no objectively binding moral obligations! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 4:16am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: If you really believ that the only reason that I shouldnt come to your house this morning and kill you is god, then you have clear reasoning problems.[b] 1. If God does not exist, objective moral principles & obligations do not exist Objective moral principles & obligations do exist Therefore, God exists Consider premise 2. By objective we mean independent of opinion, just like 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true even if everyone in the world disagreed. Despite people’s claims to being relativists, most people live as if they do believe in objective moral principles & obligations. It’s easy to say there are no objective moral principles & obligations, but it’s much more difficult to live as if there are none. The judgments we make when ourselves and others are unjustly treated, like in the above atrocities, reveal what we really believe about morality, regardless of what we say we believe. We believe that these atrocities are moral abominations, not just infringements of mere social conventions or personal dislikes. If objective moral principles & obligations do not exist where does our sense of duty and obligation come from? This leads us to premise 1. If there is no God it is difficult to see how there could be any objective foundation, any universal standard for good and evil. How do you get ethics from only different arrangements of space, time, matter and energy? A purely materialistic universe would be morally indifferent. We would have only individual or cultural opinion, but no objectively binding moral obligations! Some have suggested that we can provide an objective foundation for morality without appealing to God. Morality has just evolved over the centuries, they suggest, because it promotes human flourishing and survival. Whatever promotes human flourishing and survival is good. Whatever doesn’t promote human flourishing and survival is bad. That is all we need for objectivity in morality, they claim.There is no need for God. But if God does not exist, the critical assumption that human beings are objectively valuable is not available. Humans, like everything else in the universe, would be just accidental arrangements of atoms, and therefore, we could not justifiably declare that humans are objectively valuable. Furthermore why think the morality of the human species, above all other species, is objectively binding rather than just our opinion? Moreover, if morality evolved because it produced survival benefits, we would not have objective moral principles & obligations. We would sense that objective moral obligations exist, but they really wouldn’t. Once we’ve figured out that our feeling of morality with regard to say, rape, is just a biological adaptation inculcated into us over millions of years, then we would have no reason to regard rape as objectively wrong anymore. Since, we know that objective moral principles & obligations do exist, and since they cannot exist without God, it follows that God exists. (modus tollens) If the God of classical theism existed, an objective foundation for morality would exist. God’s holy and good nature would be the objective standard. God’s nature would be expressed through divine commands which would flow necessarily from his moral nature. Thus we would have objective moral principles & obligations. [/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Christians Handle Miracles/magic In The Bible? by tevinsolt: 4:07am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: And who is arguing that something comes from nothing?u tell me?  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 4:00am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Again, draw the link between my comment and the Nazis having a failed culutral law.[b]again you have appealed to objective morality.......If God does not exist then objective moral principles and obligations do not exist. Morality would only be a matter of individual or cultural opinion. But this would mean that torturing babies for fun, rape, & child abuse are not really objectively wrong, and are only a matter of opinion. How likely is it, though, that these atrocities are not really objectively wrong? Can you live with this conclusion? Our deepest intuitions inform us that these actions are horribly wrong. This is really a summary of a moral argument for God’s existence. Formally it looks like this: If God does not exist, objective moral principles & obligations do not exist Objective moral principles & obligations do exist Therefore, God exists Consider premise 2. By objective we mean independent of opinion, just like 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true even if everyone in the world disagreed. Despite people’s claims to being relativists, most people live as if they do believe in objective moral principles & obligations. It’s easy to say there are no objective moral principles & obligations, but it’s much more difficult to live as if there are none.[/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:49am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Fool. I have answered this question in the previous post.these are your words...if you can't see the connection in what i wrote in my previous comments......oh well! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:33am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Fail....just fail....you are an epic failit just shows to me you're not a very bright person......you tap out easily and find ways to avoid a discussion with someone that's intellectually capable than you are....and also that your view is incoherent and irrational so you would rather introduce insult into the discussion |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:30am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: You are a real fool. I have given a very clear explanation of ow human morality works and I have answered your questions clearly.during the Nuremberg trials, the German attorneys were very smart and good.....they said who are the Allies to think they could prosecute the German officers because obviously they were following orders and they were doing what their culture told them to do, and Nuremberg trials closed down....until they realized wait a minute there's a law above cultural laws and also cultural right and wrong |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:19am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: What does evolution have to do with souls?so you don't believe there's a YOU apart from the physical reactions and electrical impulses happening in your head? i tire ooooo |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:17am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Fool. I have answered this question in the previous post.like i said you're not being smart enough......you create these category of evil and good in your head, it's abritrary, it your own bias, it's your own prejudice that informs you that something is evil. if you're gonna be consistent in your atheism, you realize something is evil based on your bias and prejudice and it's all relative and subjective |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Christians Handle Miracles/magic In The Bible? by tevinsolt: 3:11am On Nov 04, 2012 |
how do you handle handle life coming from non-life, rational coming from the irrational over an highly intellectual creator? all my life and all in recorded in history, animals come from animals, plants come from plants, Humans produce humans....something do not come from nothing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 3:05am On Nov 04, 2012 |
and when you say evolutionary/natural instinct why do you believe that?...........if you believe that then i guess you believe we have souls because they are both immaterial things |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 2:59am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: So, people did not know that killing was wrong before moses (10 commandments) or Jesus came about? People didnt know that rape is bad?again where did the concept "WRONG" came about in your own world view......since you believe in moral relativity (that is moral standards are decided by societies, environmental condition......with that there is no absolute wrong or right according to you, when calabar people were killing twins they thought it was moral........so what do you have to say for yourself now? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Heaven Is Real Why Are Christians Afraid To Die?? by tevinsolt: 2:46am On Nov 04, 2012*. Modified: 7:59am On Nov 04, 2012 |
because God gave us this life and it is sinful to cut short your life with your own hands because you've committed murder against oneself now atheist if you are just a spec of dust why don't you take your own life, i mean for all you care you have no value because you just this tiny thing in the universe |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 2:42am On Nov 04, 2012 |
if morality is determined by the society, and evolutionary instinct so does that make the Gasing of Jews during the Holocaust right or wrong? does that make Molestation right or wrong? be intellectually consistent |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 2:35am On Nov 04, 2012 |
Logicboy03: Morality doesnt come from God. The moment you believe that, your morality can be very flawed if not careful.so does that make the Gasing of Jews during the Holocaust right or wrong? does that make rape right or wrong? be intellectually consistent |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 2:31am On Nov 04, 2012 |
"Atheist are more moral than Christians"........ while that might be true for some certain individuals.... how do you explain morality with your world view without being intellectually inconsistent. if we are star dusts, products of primordial slime, higher biochemicals banging together....umm how we know what's right and wrong, how do we know what's moral and what's not? in fact why do you care if atheist are morally upright than Christians.....i mean since i have evolved from the irrational according to evolution and assuming my society believes cannibalism is right, pedophilia is moral and Molestation is good, would you tell me that i been homo sapiens just as you are, is less involved than yourself? if you're truly an atheist as you've claimed and not because you are one of those follow follow seeking world views to justify their low life explain. |
| Christianity Etc › Can Objective Morality Exist Without God? by tevinsolt(op): 2:30am On Nov 04, 2012*. Modified: 4:30am On Nov 04, 2012 |
If God does not exist then objective moral principles and obligations do not exist. Morality would only be a matter of individual or cultural opinion. But this would mean that torturing babies for fun, rape, & child abuse are not really objectively wrong, and are only a matter of opinion. How likely is it, though, that these atrocities are not really objectively wrong? Can you live with this conclusion? Our deepest intuitions inform us that these actions are horribly wrong. This is really a summary of a moral argument for God’s existence. Formally it looks like this: 1.If God does not exist, objective moral principles & obligations do not exist Objective moral principles & obligations do exist Therefore, God exists Consider premise 2. By objective we mean independent of opinion, just like 2 + 2 = 4 is objectively true even if everyone in the world disagreed. Despite people’s claims to being relativists, most people live as if they do believe in objective moral principles & obligations. It’s easy to say there are no objective moral principles & obligations, but it’s much more difficult to live as if there are none. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Are More "Moral" Than Christians/muslims (the Evidence). Do You Accept? by tevinsolt: 2:21am On Nov 04, 2012 |
"Atheist are more moral than Christians"........ while that might be true for some certain individuals.... how do you explain morality with your world view without being intellectually inconsistent. if we are star dusts, products of primordial slime, higher biochemicals banging together....umm how we know what's right and wrong, how do we know what's moral and what's not? in fact why do you care if atheist are morally upright than Christians.....i mean since i have evolved from the irrational according to evolution and assuming my society believes cannibalism is right, pedophilia is moral and rape is good, would you tell me that i been homo sapiens just as you are, is less involved than yourself? if you're truly an atheist as you've claimed and not because you are one of those follow follow seeking world views to justify their low life explain. |
| Foreign Affairs › Re: Images Of The Devastation By Hurricane Sandy In The U.S. by tevinsolt: 10:35pm On Oct 30, 2012 |
No joke oo...we've lost Power for the past 24hrs, no internet/wifi, no network, its cold no heat ....its just a mess |
| Politics › Re: Suicide Bomber Arrested In Bauchi by tevinsolt: 8:05pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
Jesus said you will know them by their fruits |
| Politics › Re: Four Feared Dead In Ogun Auto Crash (picture) by tevinsolt: 8:04pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
[quote author=Mr. Globe]so much accidents and deayhs from ogun state recently. The governor must be blood loving maaan. God save us. RIP[/quote]i never knew you were this dumb 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Why Do Nigerians View Hard Work As 'suffering'? by tevinsolt: 1:47pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
the only thing is........ physically demanding jobs in America charge people high.... especially mechanics, plumbers and exterminators compared to Nigeria 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Prove Of The Existence Of God. by tevinsolt: 5:23pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You'd Been Born In China, You Wouldn't Be A Christian by tevinsolt: 4:14pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
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