₦airaland Forum

lucabrasi:
there are many beautiful girls in nigeria,wonder why they had to use this fugly chick with pillow chest, if they strolled into any higher institution and waited for the first 10 girls they ll find enough chicks that ll do it for free

Jakumo:
yet all that retarded newpaper editor can find to post is this utterly disgusting, lard-ass sea-elephant that cannot but sicken and offend everyone who is not blind.

People actually send in their photos to be 'Sun Girls'. Not that the editors have to solicit 4 'em.
besides, it's a daily feature in the paper. with 365 days in the year, the editors will be hard pressed to go about finding such 'chicks'.

It's often a form of prostitution sha. Most of them provide their numbers and email addys for this reason. I know someone who specializes in sleeping with many of these Sun Girls.

mecussey:
somebody help, how do you play PC games, is there any emulator needed?

They are called PC games because they are meant to be played on a PC. WTF do you need an emulator?!

Luca,
Fine. So we are agreed then.

meanwhile, it seems ayanfe is still submerged with all the journals i provided. Still waiting for his reply. . .

YEs!!

Firmware 2.0 already jailbroken and unlocked

http://gizmodo.com/5023971/iphone-os-20-unlocked-yes

Guys, guys, some sympathy please!

We know many of these policemen are corrupt, but there are some gallantly fighting against crime. These people make our lives safer in the long run. Let's show some respect and sympathy

Let's see what Zibri et al can come up with. As for me, i'll believe zibri's genius when i see it in action.


i hope they crack this stuff as soon as possible. I've ordered for a $100 itunes gift card, so i should be able to at least buy Super Monkey Ball and Crash Bandicoot for now. naturally, i'll pig out on all the free apps that are any good.

Lucabrasi
I have no desire to argue with you, i'll say again. i'll accept your explanation that your first post in support of the original poster's view (i.e Cooper was pursuing a racist agenda, no scientific basis for the Africa-as-HIV-origin theory) was based on an uninformed view on the matter, and that after that as you've said several times, you did some reading up on the issue.

Fair enough.

I for one know little about positivism which is why i've avoided discussing it so far.

deor03:
'Certain group of Nigerians' is a valid subset of "Nigerians" . Fair enough, the group of Nigerians affected are in the overwhelming majority compared to those exempted.

The heading of the thread is valid as far as i am concerned

it may interest you to know that i never said that the title was WRONG. I said it was MISLEADING.

Surely you can appreciate the distinct difference between these two words?

I'm waiting. Have a nice read.
pop back in when you're done. you ARE a scientist too, aren't you?

ayanfe:
Which University degrees do you have? You are making your argument against by arbitrarily making statements like this. What has belief in the origin of HIV have to do with whether or not the earth goes round? You are engaging in fallacious associations.

Can I please see a journal article that demonstrates the infection of a variant of SIV from chimpazees to Humans in central Africa? Specifically, at the very least, can I please see a journal article that was able to demonstrate that variants or mutations of SIV from Chimpazees were able to reproduce their genetic material and package themselves in human cells, enough to support the claim of the hunter theory? Thanks in advance for providing me with the proof you use to dispute the so called fools who posted to you.

If you cannot understand the above questions and/or provide resources demonstrating the above, this debate is over, you are owned and you are a small fry who doesn't know what you are talking about.

Here you go

Generation of Infectious Molecular Clones of Simian Immunodeficiency Virus from Fecal Consensus Sequences of Wild Chimpanzees -- Takehisa et al
http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/81/14/7463.pdf


The Molecular Population Genetics of HIV-1 Group O
Philippe Lemey,*,1 Oliver G. Pybus,† Andrew Rambaut,† Alexei J. Drummond,†
David L. Robertson,‡ Pierre Roques,§,** Michael Worobey††
and Anne-Mieke Vandamme*
http://evolve.zoo.ox.ac.uk/papers/Lemey%20et%20al%20(2004)%20Genetics.pdf

This one starts by saying
ABSTRACT
HIV-1 group O originated through cross-species transmission of SIV from chimpanzees to humans and
has established a relatively low prevalence in Central Africa. Here, we infer the population genetics and
epidemic history of HIV-1 group O from viral gene sequence data and evaluate the effect of variable
evolutionary rates and recombination on our estimates.

Finally

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/8/1853

Adaptation of HIV-1 to Its Human Host
Louise V. Wain¹, Elizabeth Bailes¹, Frederic Bibollet-Ruche², Julie M. Decker², Brandon F. Keele², Fran Van Heuverswyn³, Yingying Li², Jun Takehisa², Eitel Mpoudi Ngole⁴, George M. Shaw², Martine Peeters³, Beatrice H. Hahn² and Paul M. Sharp¹

1 Institute of Genetics, University of Nottingham, Queens Medical Centre, Nottingham, United Kingdom
2 Departments of Medicine and Microbiology, University of Alabama at Birmingham
3 Laboratoire Retrovirus, Institut de Recherche pour le Développement and Department of International Health, University of Montpellier, 34394 Montpellier cedex 9, France
4 Projet Prevention du Sida au Cameroun (PRESICA), Yaounde, Cameroun

Accepted for publication May 22, 2007.

Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) originated from three independent cross-species transmissions of simian immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpzPtt) infecting chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes troglodytes) in west central Africa, giving rise to pandemic (group M) and non-pandemic (groups N and O) clades of HIV-1. To identify host-specific adaptations in HIV-1 we compared the inferred ancestral sequences of HIV-1 groups M, N and O to 12 full length genome sequences of SIVcpzPtt and four of the outlying but closely related SIVcpzPts (from P. t. schweinfurthii). This analysis revealed a single site that was completely conserved among SIVcpzPtt strains but different (due to the same change) in all three groups of HIV-1. This site, Gag-30, lies within p17, the gag-encoded matrix protein. It is Met in SIVcpzPtt, underwent a conservative replacement by Leu in one lineage of SIVcpzPts but changed radically to Arg on all three lineages leading to HIV-1. During subsequent diversification this site has been conserved as a basic residue (Arg or Lys) in most lineages of HIV-1. Retrospective analysis revealed that Gag-30 had reverted to Met in a previous experiment in which HIV-1 was passaged through chimpanzees. To examine whether this substitution conferred a species specific growth advantage, we used site-directed mutagenesis to generate variants of these chimpanzee-adapted HIV-1 strains with Lys at Gag-30, and tested their replication in both human and chimpanzee CD4+ T lymphocytes. Remarkably, viruses encoding Met replicated to higher titers than viruses encoding Lys in chimpanzee T cells, but the opposite was found in human T cells. Taken together, these observations provide compelling evidence for host-specific adaptation during the emergence of HIV-1 and identify the viral matrix protein as a modulator of viral fitness following transmission to the new human host




That Good enough for you?

lucabrasi:
just google it and you will find many equally eminent scientists who don't think the researches hav been fool proof
hope this helps

Kindly provide proof of these 'equally eminent scientists' that are convinced that HIV didn't originate from Africa via the SIV.
i'm waiting.

lucabrasi:
also,hiv was discovered first around 20smthing years ago,so as far as im concerned and other scientists will say the same which is to keep an open mind as researches est are still ongoing

Multiple researches have been made already, each one submitted to scientific panels and publications and thoroughly scrutinized by scientists all over the world. What else do you people want?!
Unless you can provide research of your own disproving this

lucabrasi:
theres no single phrase or sentence on here disagreeing with that so unless you will like to show me,the only conclusion i can arrive at is that your r psychic,

This is hilarious, considering the fact that the original poster made his claims disagreeing that HIV came from african chimps. In your first post, you agreed with his position. Why degenerate into lies now? GO back and read what you wrote.

lucabrasi:
you have not corrected a single argument of mine so please don't patronise me,you mixed up your replies and mixed everything together,rather than man up and admit you r going on a merry go round breaking down what the hunter theory is,any primary school kid who is computer literate and knows google can have acess to information on the meaning and definition of the hunter theory so please spare me,and like i said almost 3/4 times already,read through comments and if you don't understand what people mean ask,theres no shame in asking,as for what that particular phrase you singled out out of the rest of your cock upswhat i meant about this is that either you agree with the scientists research/experiment whatever that the origin of hiv was somewhere in cameroon,there are other eminent scientists who either agree partly or disagree wholly and have their own explanations as to what happened and their concerns just like the cause of 9/11(its an example so please don't lecture me about what happened in 9/11),an example is this link who partly disagree and have concerns
http://www.postnewsline.com/2006/09/cameroon_and_th.html
also,hiv was discovered first around 20smthing years ago,so as far as im concerned and other scientists will say the same which is to keep an open mind as researches est are still ongoing,as for disputing if apes are the carriers or not,theres no single phrase or sentence on here disagreeing with that so unless you will like to show me,the only conclusion i can arrive at is that your r psychic,just google it and you will find many equally eminent scientists who don't think the researches hav been fool proof
hope this helps

Please. You've pointed out the error i made in replying you instead of courage89. Was there any denial from me? Is that not done and dusted with? What's the sense in bringing this up repeatedly in this discussion?

We are curently discussing the origins of HIV. The accepted belief is that HIV originated from Africa. Scientists have provided sound research to prove this.
All the debates you're referring to concern the mode of transmission from Animals to humans. Not the origins as per Africa. Please take a look at the original post and understand what is up for discussion here.

lucabrasi:
either you agree with the scientists research/experiment whatever that the origin of hiv was somewhere in cameroon,there are other eminent scientists who either agree partly or disagree wholly and have their own explanations as to what happened and their concerns just like the cause of 9/11(its an example so please don't lecture me about what happened in 9/11),an example is this link who partly disagree and have concerns
http://www.postnewsline.com/2006/09/cameroon_and_th.html

What the hell has cameroon got to do with this? The original poster is railing against Mr Cooper for saying that Africa was the origin of the virus. You're providing a link in which the article writer ACCEPTS that HIV-1 originated from African chimps. in fact, all the writer is saying is that the chimps may not neccessarily have come from cameroon.

You accepted ayinba's theory that there is some element of untruth in the HIV origin story, now you're trying to change your position. You've insinuated multiple times about 'falsehoods' and 'conspiracies', now you're subtly softening your position. Why?


Throughout this topic you have set up many red-herrings (positivism, hunter theory etc) to mask the fact that not only did you not know what you were talking about, you had fallen to the terrible nairaland failing; refusing to admit when your facts and logic fall through just for the sake of winning an argument. You have even openly identified with conspiracy theories, despite the lack of adequate scientific proof. Tragic

Truth be told, the original poster had alleged that Mr Cooper had erred by saying things with no scientific basis. I have since proved that wrong with strong scientific evidence. that is the crux of the matter. As long as multiple research has confirmed my point, all you can do is enter the realm of conspiracy theory.


i'll be waiting for you when you start insisting the earth isn't round.

@bilymuse
kindly adjust the topic header to reflect the word 'certain groups of Nigerians'.

As it is, your title is misleading.

Why not work on your spelling first?

Also, did we really need to see those three generic images you attached to know what a gun looks like?

There are more news about Political happenings in Nigeria than what you painted.

Virginity is like a balloon. One prick and it's gone!

ayinba1:
@Luc,

Thanks for the clarification.

@texape

Research happy? And wikipedia?? You can surely do better than that. It is obvious, isn't it. What criteria did you apply to your quoted references?
You are not the authority on this topic. Lashing out at people who do not agree with you does not change the fact. This, for me, has nothing to do with race but more to do with truth.

Feel free to believe what you will, in a few years, more papers will be published that tell the truth about HIV.

Please google what 'research' means.
and yes, it's perfectly accurate for me to quote wikipedia. Each salient point in that article has references to back it up, reference that point to major international journals.
Scroll down to the bottom of that article and you'll see a section containing references to trustworthy sources.

Truth? There are loads of studies pointing to the origin of HIV in African animals. Unless you disprove this with an acceptable study, it remains the best acceptable theory.

So tell me, if it isn't about 'race' and you maintain it is not the truth, what, in your 'learned' opinion, is the reason for the lie?

Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary
Main Entry: sci·en·tist
Pronunciation: 'sI-&nt-&st
Function: noun
: a person learned in science and especially natural science : a scientific investigator

Scientist? You wouldn't know science even if it jumped up and bit you in the ass

lucabrasi:
exactly,after all how many years has it been since hiv was discovered,either we disagree with them or not,there have been contrary views disagreeing with the hunter theory e.t.c

Luca, I have nothing against you. But i cannot keep correcting your flawed arguments. The hunter theory, the OPV theory et al are not disputing the origins of the HIV. What they concern themselves with is how the virus became zoonotic (crossed over from being an african chimp disease to being a human virus).
For example the Hunter theory states that the virus may have crossed over when African hunters killed and ate ape meat.
The OPV theory alleges that the virus crossed over when ape tissue was used to incubate a batch of the Oral Polio vaccine.

All these theories deal with how the virus crossed over from african ape species to human beings. NOT DISPUTES ON IF THE APES WERE THE ORIGINAL CARRIERS OF THE SIV.


Hope this helps.

http://drinkmalk.com/books/index.xml

Add that source above to get loads of ebooks!

courage89:
@ texazzpete

I used Pfizer because it pertains to the situation where there is an adverse effect of certain theories. I guess you will rather I use genetically modified organism as an example. Their drugs include GMO or genetically engineered organism whose genetic material has been altered to create what they want (I guess you know that already). Do we know fully the adverse effect of these new organisms?

And I’m pretty sure that you don’t know that “ebola virus” also came from Africa (based on their claim).

Sorry, luca. Most modern antibiotics are synthetic.
In fact, Trovan, the drug used by pfizer, is purely synthetic.

courage89:
And I’m pretty sure that you don’t know that “ebola virus” also came from Africa (based on their claim).

Considering the fact that the virus got its name from the Ebola River Valley in Congo (formerly Zaïre), near the site of the first recognized outbreak in 1976, i would say everyone knows that the ebola virus came from Africa.

The fact that a pathogen originated from our continent does not mean it's a slur against us. You haven't seen the English trying to pin the Black Death on africans, have you?


But it it makes you feel better, i'll publish 'research' showing that malaria actually was brought to Africa by white men. Better?

lucabrasi:
well first off i think you should read about stuffs before shooting your mouth off indiscriminately,positivisim is still widely being bandied about till date and have a large following,it started in the 1800s and not happened just then,but it seems in your haste to reply with your usual verbal barbs u forgot to do some basic primary school research on it.

i don't know what he/she was goin on about and i didnt immerse myself in the main topic apart from just observing and dropping general comments because i don't know anything about hiv and its origins apart from what i v come across online.
if you went back to read my comments a little bit slowly so you ll understand,you ll discover that i never reffered to what you all were on about,i only used my refference because contrary to some people's misplaced believes, european/caucasian scientists have had controlled experiments AND RESEARCHS where they have backed each other up and publicised it only to find out it is utter falsehood so don't tell me about paranoia when there has been instances like that in the past
between,hope you know that racial cleansing, hiter and all of that started with positivist ideals and these ideals are still around and believed to this day,also body shape e.t.c and yes i know what ayiba was on about the tuskegee thing with black american sharecroppers and how they were left to rot away

Tuskegee and positivism as a concept have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, unless you can prove that all scientist involved with research into the origins of HIV are al positivists. Naturally you'd have to explain why magazines like Rolling Stone which did a piece on the origins of HIV did not identify rampant positivism amongst all the researchers.

Mentioning the Tuskegee experiment is even less intelligent. HIV origin research has no need for any human test subject. The HIV virus has long been analysed and dissected. What remains is a historical research into the historical facts on the emergence of HIV ,a s well as a detailed study of the SIV for similarities to HIV -1.
How does an experiment conducted on humans inthe 1930s become an analogy for that?

Kemical:

1.4M

Somebody bring the matches. I've got fuel. . .

Analytical:
But I expected him to reconcile with his Saviour and Lord, first and foremost. Maybe that was done but we were not told.

Do you actually NEED to be told this?

What made him confess to his Girlfriend if his conscience wasn't already torturing him?

His babe is not forgiving him because she feels cheated. But if the God she worships can forgive her, why can't she forgive him? Must everything be covenant abi na oath?

@Neoteny
Welcome back

@arsenal4eva
There haven't been too many app releases in recent times, with everyone waiting for the Appstore. That should change soon

Let's hope these guys crack the 2.0 firmware so we can run both installer and appstore. Heaven!

lucabrasi:
far from it,im not i was backing up your comments that scientists can conduct experiments in a controlled environment and back each other up and also adding that scientists from the 1800s till even now conducted controlled experiments and concluded that physical stigmatas determine what species of humans will likely be criminals,they also concluded that criminality is biological and also that black people have some atavistic throwbacks to support the false assumptions its difficult to explain but the link will break it down properly,the group of scientists who believe in that racist experiment till now are a group called the positivistschool of criminology

There's a huge logical leap between experiments conducted in the 1800s and research carried out (NOT EXPERIMENTS!!)

ayinba is referring to experiments on humans. How could an analysis of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in chimps and old samples of early HIV cases involve human experimentation?

Paranoia still remains a mental illness. We ought not to let our bias turn us into jumping at shadows.

ayinba1:
If you are a scientist, you can tell us that HIV/AIDS originated from Africe. i.e. You found out by research that this is so.

But pleaseeee, stop quoting the same people who belong to the era of scientists that performed the Tuskegee experiment.

Tuskegee experiment 1932 - 1972

Some recent research into origin of HIV came as recent as 2006. I remember reading about one even in late 2006 in the Guardian newspapers

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin for more info on the origin of HIV.
In fact, the origin of HIV with respect to African chimpanzees is not even in serious doubt. Any debate existing is how it transited from African chimpanzees to human beings.
Lucabrasi, take note of the text in bold above and go look at that Ed Hooper link you provided in your first post

@ayinba1
For a scientist, you're a little short on research aren't you? That's a shame, really. I'm an engineer and still i'm far more research happy than you are.

Kobojunkie:
Any one who claims to be rational, comparing the two, in that manner, is what I believe to be ridiculous.

Not really

Not everyone is religious, but everyone is a human and should enjoy human rights.
If in the UK it is legal for homosexual couples to associate and form relationships as part of the right to associate (a fundamental human right), then where's the issue?

oyb:
actually, its the other way round. justice is about an eye for an eye. in a country where the police are ineffectual or in direct collaboration with the men of the underworld - mob justice is the only way citizens have to get back at armed robbers.

imagine if armed robbers come to your close, operate undisturbed for hours, maim, gang rape, divest people of their hard earned belongings - and as usual the police 'have no vehicl, no fuel no walkie talkie' - later you now catch a thief in the act. are you going to hand him over to police, who will put him back on the street, or are you going to exact your revenge for what his comrades in crime did?

i'm not justifying mob action, but it is also about the only way that the victims of crime can get back at the criminal element

Then you may be pleased to read in Yesterday's guardian how an innocent man was killed by a mob.

He was on his way home when a motorbike grazed him. enraged, he grabbed sand from the ground and threw it at the bike. The bike stopped and the passenger brought out a knife, so he took to his heels running for his life.
A bystander saw him running and shouted "Ole! Thief! Thief!"
In a jiffy men with matchets arrived, surrounded him and cut him several times. in the ensuing mob beating, someone even stabbed him in his testicles.

before eyewitnesses could arrive to explain, he was already freely bleeding. he died soon afterwards in a hospital.

happily, police arrested the guy who raised the alarm. If i was in Lagos, i'd have gone over to the station and paid the police to break both his legs.

landis:
very good.

So Cry Baby Tsavangari should go to UK or US and clean kitchen or sell newspaper on NY street.

Power is not for the weakling. This is more reason, the ZIM people should reject him further.

ZIM people should rally round Mugabe and encourage him to look for a courageous successor not that whimp.

And courage is killing and oppressing innocent civillians?
Do we need thuggery and violence to show courage?

true courage is having the guts to make the tough decisions to better your people. Mugabe had the chance to let people with strong Agric skills handle the farms.

Instead in a cowardly move to bolster support, he handed over his country's lifeline to clueless veterans. He has since been unable to slow down the slide to inflation, preferring instead to place theblame on the west.

That makes him a coward and a weakling. it is a reflection of your flawed morals and values that you see this as 'courage'.

Gamine:
The beads are usually perfumed and are used to attract men.

ANy man close enough to smell the perfume is already 'attracted' anyways

Which kain dependence on Pastor be this?

People like to cripple themselves spiritually. Why not pray for yourself?

[quote author=stabme_not link=topic=148666.msg2484667#msg2484667 date=1215639822]@ poster
It is adamantly wrong,vehemently bad, and unforgiven offence, even societal taboo for one who is a christian not to attend church on sunday morning.[/quote]It is also retarded to preach the gospel of 'fear christianity'. Stop being douchebag and move on.

Danchiks:
I think ure already being caught by the winds of the last days.
2Timothy 4:3 says "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears";

Psalm 122:1 "I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD".

As a child of God, you should always be happy when it's time to go to church, when the opposite happens, it means something is wrong somewhere then you have to read and act on 2Corinthians 13:5 which reads "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates"?

*sigh*
Another ineffectual preacher. You won't win many converts this way.

ima1:
well i agree with the girl in question, if he couldn't keep it in his pants, what makes you think he will in the future. she has forgiven him thats why she wants to be friends,

Then again, what makes you think he will not?
remorse and guilt are very strong things indeed. What do you think made Judas cast away 30 pieces of silver and go hang himself instead of heading for the nearest brothel?

Analytical:
@Poster and all,

I wonder why everybody is castigating the lady for being chaste. She is hurt and greatly disappointed in her fiance of two years and rightly so! The truth is, she is not alone. His Lord is greatly disappointed too.

What do you expect of someone that chose to loiter at the street of temptation? No doubt he will eventually get to the house of sin! This is what happened to the guy. Remember bad association corrupts good manners.

Maybe we should flip this around. Assuming it's the girl that chose to go into fornication, what would have been your responses to the guy? Definitely, most here wouldn't waste time in advising him to leave her.

It seems the guy is more interested in getting her back than in restoring his peace and salvation with his Lord. I think this should be his main concern. It is godly sorrow that works repentance. Let him show the fruit of that and the Holy Spirit knows how to take it up from there and restore the relationship.

Meanwhile, allow her to express her annoyance and disappointment. Give her time and space, while working on yourself. She deserves a man who she can vouch for, a man that shows integrity and self-control even in the midst of temptation, a man she can trust.

All the best.

All you self-righteous people amuse me to no end.
You constantly keep praying to God for forgiveness, yet when you're offended you cannot bring yourself to forgive and forget unconditionally.

The guy succumbed to temptation, so what? Was Paul always a good person? Did Peter not deny Jesus? Even with david's flirtation with bethsheba, did God remove the blessings from him?

The bible says cut off the hand that leads you to sin. It does not say cut off the hand that had sinned in the past.


The act of being God like is far more important than 'trophies'. If he has lost his virginity, yet put his soul back on the path to heaven, what then is the issue?

Let her go and find another virgin if she wants, jo. Good luck finding many more post-NYSC virgins in Nigeria.