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raumdeuter:
Same with you too

You can jump in and go do your own livestream like portable peller and Carterefe
Or spot cars like Timi
No one will stop you

Exactly

raumdeuter:
I wonder why its random Internet celebrities that you think your kids would model after and not their parent

They just don't like that Peller exists, and instead of recognizing that there's space in society for guys like Peller and the guys doing intellectual stuff, they'd rather pile.

It's easier to pile than do the work of building a following around intellectual content.

GloriousGbola:
If you are happy with your son gettinh rich by livestreaming being a public nuisance and car vandalising menace that's fine.

Reject sober intellectual embrace loud mouthed hooligan

Ironically it is tools put together by intellectuals that these hooligans are using. Latter day ministrels for Google and tiktok and fb.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNuccjaO8r0?si=BhSNJRN1QiBX2P2s

Feel free to celebrate the damage live streamed ignorant negros are doing.

Making Peller the sticker board for Olodo Uprising angst is the easy thing. Adults and kids find Peller interesting, doesn't mean that the bulk of children look to him as role model, and he has a large audience because it's reflective of the quality of the bulk of the population.

What structure and opportunities are in place for kids that want to be intellectuals? That's the real question.

You can't continue to drum support for governments that have made eggs and other forms of protein luxury then turnaround to decry an Olodo Uprising problem. YOU the Nigerian intellectual is the real problem, and not necessarily a Peller.

GloriousGbola:
He is making money na. You are just jealous. He makes more spotting car in one minute than you do moving goods in one day.



The highlighted is the real koko of the matter

One lady in my office was idolizing Kim Kardashian back then for when she 'broke the internet' with one half naked pose.

That is the question one should have asked her - If you admire her so much you can tell your daughter to do a sex tape with a washed up tier 3 celebrity.

So because we won't clap for our kids if they said they wanted to become like Peller therefore he doesn't deserve to exist doing what he does?

GloriousGbola:
That is where you are wrong. And that is why China has deliberately put several stops on social media

I am sure you have read that influencers in china must be qualified to comment on what they are discussing

You are also echoing what I said because these guys are trending because the average Nigerian unfortunately had consistent interest in low effort low value low brow slop.

Maybe you can tell me what there is to pick from a video of two louts smashing car windscreens? What will be your reaction if you see your kids fawning over rubbish like that? Oh it is because our intellectuals have failed.

(we know what you are actually doing as you are naming wole soyinka P3)

It's the job of government to fix education, which in turn reflects in the quality of what people find interesting enough to consume on a regular.

A video of two louts smashing a car has an audience...that the audience now happens to be the entirety of the country's social media users is another thing altogether. Peller is as influential as he is because there's a huge market for his type of content.

Past couple weeks, most of what I search for has revolved around home decor and design...I check my explore page and that's all I see there, this wasn't the case say two months ago.

I mentioned Wole Soyinka as example of dishonest intellectual...I lie?

GloriousGbola:
no. social media by design is pushing out low attention slop
if you are already simpleminded to begin with, as so many Nigerians unfortunately are- the algo will push that kind of nonsense to you.
as i have googled Peller i have to block any nonsense suggestions for the next few days

is intellectual content pushed to you on YouTube, or do you actively seek it out?

the tragedy of the internet was that it could have been a source of knowledge - then the tech bros got greedy and decided it was better as a tool of manipulation and distraction

Tech bros want to make money. There's no market for things that aren't low attention slop here, and it's not quite their job to fix that.

Their algorithms are designed to give you more of what you've shown consistent interest in.

Wole Soyinka is a Nigerian intellectual.

Peller isn't the problem.

The Nigerian intellectual class hasn't done enough to command the kind of attention Peller wields. They're not smart enough, not sufficiently organized, and most importantly, not honest enough to earn public trust and followership.

izzou:
But there's already an existing security architecture, right?

Edo currently has police stations, vehicles, blah blah blah

I don't think the plan is to start from scratch

No, all of those na for federal police. State police would be built from scratch.

BlueRayDick:
What reason is Soludo giving for having 2 airports in one state?

These things are built primarily to siphon funds, and secondarily with themselves and their fellow elites in mind.

Fit be some of e goons for that part of the state have been complaining about having to travel from the airport to their respective villages. To fix the situation, na to drop another airport so commute time is shorter.

raumdeuter:
The funding is the security votes.

For Edo State that's about #900M monthly. It's money, but to build a security architecture from the ground up, that might not do much really.

raumdeuter:
The state police will run in parallel with the FG NPF instead of these corner corner Amoketun, Ebubeagu you can now openly defend your people. Amotekun had some resources before now its time to do more and grow it over the years. The first few years will have issues but over time if they are sincere they should figure it out

No more excuse. If your state does not have enough money to fund itself and essential services needed to run, then I dont know what you expect others to do for you

This is part of the true federalism they have been clamoring for

Banditry and acts of terrorism are still under the jurisdiction of the federal police, and we know where that buck stops.

It's a good initiative, but without source of funding specified, might be a while before it starts to make any difference.

izzou:
The Cons far outweigh the Pros

I guess we will just enjoy it in its initial stages, until State governors hijack it as their personal property

If there's no money backing it from the onset, there won't even be a beginnging to enjoy.

I support state policing, but the issue of how it'd be financed is most important.

States now get more Naira allocated, but in dollar terms still not much, and for a heavily dollar dependent country like ours, that's something to consider.

izzou:
The way you guys just want to be dancing on top this statement is weird.

Okay, going by what Obi said;

A Bandit leader in Katsina wants peace, and the terms are plain; Give me my arms back, and return the corpses of my boys.

So I'm guessing, Obi will negotiate abi?

Make we dey play dey go.

You've created an interpretation for what Obi said, and chosen to be angry over what it's possible he didn't intend the way you've taken it.

People are unequivocal about the issue of negotiating with terror groups, it's a common rhetoric, one I'm sure you buy into.

However, history shows that even with the US that made popular that rhetoric, there are times where they have to employ non-kinetic means, including negotiating with terrorists to resolve long drawn battles.

What constitutes this negotiation and how it'd play out is another thing altogether.

TemporaryHansel:
In what way has gloriousgbola and larride offended you that you wish this great curse upon them??!

izzou:
For those who subscribe to negotiations/Non-Kinetic approaches.

A Bandit leader said you should give him his arms back, and the corpses of his boys, then he will continue with peace

Imagine a Station interviewing him, but the government cannot arrest him.

Normally this guy should be on his heels and asking for his life or reduced sentencing so he stops fighting.

These guys can make demands like this because they've not been pushed to the wall militarily.

Trevor012:
Shut up. Talking about a player being selfish when your midget went to Pep and demanded to be played as a 9 because he was getting outscored. The amount of rubbish you midget fans type here is shameful

Lol, I know Zlatan wasn't exactly the biggest Messi fan, his new found super-fanship is him trying to embrace the winning side of the Messi-Ronaldo debate.

izzou:
Anyone who considers the issue of Terrorism and Banditry as something that deserves negotiation obviously has no plan to end it, or wants to live in deceit.

Did you think those particular bandits would lay down their weapons if the FG had released ISWAP members for the hostages?

If you offer those bandits whatever money in exchange for their weapons, they will drop it and go and buy fresh ones for money. It's simple.

Obi goofed, and I know it is so his Northern prospects won't be pissed. Sadly, the virus is spreading down south.

Buhari marched IPOB and is still marching it even in death. No form of negotiation for even a section that had a little reason to agitate.

The bolded is different from what I've said sha.

I don't know whether he's saying it to appeal to a northern base, but he's made same argument across the board. Maybe he's trying to appeal to all bases, but regardless, I do think he genuinely considers that part of his approach to resolving insecurity across the country.

izzou:
You didn't answer the question I asked oh.

Can we classify this issue of Banditry in Nigeria as a "Conflict"?

It's not.

izzou:
Is the issue of Banditry a "Conflict"?

The terrorists that kidnapped the students and teachers in Oyo have as one of their demands release of their ISIS-trained commanders, and at some point have said that's all they need. Are those guys bandits, Boko Haram, Lakurawa or ISWAP terrorists?

There's a heavy overlap between Islamic/ethnic ideological warfare with varying forms of criminality, and this is more reason why non-kinetic approaches would have to be integrated.

I never said that terrorists should be negotiated with instead of defeated, not sure why that seems to be all you and BluRay took from all I've been saying.

izzou:
If I have to agree with everything Obi says, then I am not different from the APC loyalists wey dey support Tinubu in everything.

There's no sense is negotiating with terrorists

Like I said before, it's up to Peter Obi to explain exactly what he meant by the statement, and how he'd go about execution.

And regardless of what Peter Obi said now, I've been of the opinion that some non-kinetic approaches would be needed to resolve this conflict and provide lasting peace.

GloriousGbola:
Vote Peter obi to find out!

O ye of little faith

Izzou this is one way.

Another way is whichever government in charge actually confronts the situation with the seriousness it deserves.

Buhari was Boko Haram in spirit which meant he handled it with kid gloves, and Tinubu is disgusted with the thought of handling matters of security and when he's not expressing disgust is playing politics with it.

BlueRayDick:
See you are just contradicting yourself just in a bid to double down on the whole non-kinetic approach/ negotiation misyarn.

Here you are agreeing that Buhari dealt decisively with IPOB/ESN by ordering that they be decimated with full force. So I take it that you know what fighting terrorism heads-on can achieve.

But somehow you want to drag the non-kinetic talk enter the matter wey no concern am. It is a fact that ESN were crushed significantly with military firepower, Simon Ekpa was taken out of circulation and Nnamdi Kanu rightly jailed. Where non-kinetic approach/negotiation take enter the matter?

We are simply saying let FG have the full force of law crush the so-called Bandits and Terrorists without any yeye talk of negotiation. Let them be dealt with as the agents of terror in Imo, Anambra and Abia states were dealt with. Is that too much to ask/achieve? What is there to discuss to negotiate with the terrorists?

One doesn't preclude the other.

Any face to face/amnesty would need be from a position of strenght, and Nigeria hasn't achieved that yet.

BlueRayDick:
Yet you have failed to point us a vivid position of strength the Federal government can be that will guarantee peace and abatement in terrorism in the country.

I mentioned a few inside the word salad post.

izzou:
The bandits demand is usually money, so what's halfway to you? Reducing 500 million to 250 million?

Una dey make me dey laugh

Katsina state government has been meeting bandits halfway for years. Do you think these people will collect money or whatever demands you meet, and quit?

I believe this is a Southern way to appeal for Northern votes, because this thing makes no sense at all. Obi never applauded anybody for negotiating with bandits. He didn't negotiate as a governor in Anambra. Na as e wan become president, w remember Negotiations

Buhari proscribed IPOB. Heaven did not fall. He stood on that business till his death. Even as at today, nobody is negotiating with IPOB. Their leader is in Sokoto Maximum prison. Na Northerner run am

But when it gets to a Southerner, we begin to make sense out of nonsense so we can win election votes, even if it means half of our people dead.

If Buhari pampered IPOB the way he pampered/nursed Boko Haram/banditry into becoming what they are today, I'd see a negotiation/rehabilitation as something that should be on the table alongside any kinetic effort.

And even as IPOB has been proscribed and largely decimated, Nigeria would have to setup a non-kinetic plan in motion to ensure they don't spring up sometime down the road.

Wars are first won on the field and after in boardrooms/negotiation tables. Nigeria isn't winning on the field yet, hence an amnesty program now will fail.

BlueRayDick:
So you don't have an idea of what exactly the government will be negotiating with, but you sha want them to negotiate with terrorists and religious extremists.

It shows just like Obi, you've not really given the gravity of the situation much thought.

I hope you know know Aminu Masari (Katsina ex-governor) who is among the pioneers of Negotiating with terrorists later regretted the move. See below excerpts from his regrets:

When you negotiate from a position of weakness, or from an equal footing, it will end in regret.

BlueRayDick:
What military pressure are you talking about? Don't you read about aerial bombardment of bandits and boko haram regularly released by the milliatry ? At least Amoto posts some of them here and nobody can dispute the fact that combined efforts of Airforce and Army has been to take an offensive approach in recent times.

Killing some commanders and granting a free pass to other terrorists does not in any way guarantee abatement in the security risk those terrorists pose. It's like you've not seen 14,15- & 16-year-olds wielding assault rifles and RPG. How do you even come up with the idea of a "repentant terrorist"? A terrorist whose reason for embarking on the terror acts is his extremist religious belief. So, would you be dangling the liberal version of the religion as his lifeline?

You still haven't mentioned what will be used to negotiate with the terrorists which you are sure they will agree to without batting an eyelid

This will be for the experts to draft. This isn't Nigeria's first rodeo.

izzou:
We are talking about life here..A human life.

That is why I am still asking you guys what line is off limits as a country?

USA is striking deals with fraudsters, etc for lesser deals and recovering their loots. Do you really think the USA will be sharing negotiation handshakes if groups are springing up, kidnapping people and killing them?

You know the answer, but we can still stretch the argument further

I'm saying the US negotiates with serial killers that have killed tens of persons.

How do you handle the bandit you cannot conclusively link to any killing, the one who may have been nothing more than another foot soldier they send on egg runs? And said bandit has surrendered whatever weapons he has and is asking for clemency?

Will you give him the same sentence you're giving top dawgs like Bello Turuji?

Now imagine there's like 10,000 of such guys.

izzou:
What exactly will you be negotiating with?

Let me even ask you, because I perceive you don't understand the side you're taking.

What exactly will you offer the bandits for a peace deal?

The bandits will come with their demands, and you meet them halfway, and it has to be done in a manner in which it doesn't look like you're rewarding them for being criminals, and at the same time not leaving them high and dry.

This isn't Nigeria's first rodeo with this sort of rehabilitation effort. Yes their needs will differ in some way, but ultimately would coalesce around basic human needs. There are experts that would work out all these fine details, it's not my job. But my point is non-kinetic approaches would be implemented, either concurrently with the kinetic, or at the end.

izzou:
The difference is that Trump, nor any American president will ever negotiate with anyone killing Americans in the USA.

If you have any links to the USA negotiating with kidnappers or anyone killing Americans in America, I'll wait for it.

Thank you

The real question is would the US allow a domestic terrorist organization grow to this level of rascality? No.

Now that is out of the way, how does the US handle domestic criminals, do they strike deals with them for good behavior, a willingness to snitch, and for helping them close case files? Yes.

izzou:
So if I kidnap people in the US and kill them if I am not paid ransoms, you actually think Donald Trump will create a room to cut a deal with me?

How can you even look at this situation and compare it to the US and Iran? Are they the same?

Is Iran kidnapping Americans for ransom?

I am still asking anyone who cares to answer, where we as a country, should draw the line?

Asian countries are going tough on drug offences. A small milligram of cocaine fit give you life imprisonment, yet they are not cutting deals up and down.

Where exactly should we draw the line as a country, if someone who wants to kill for money can get a seat at the table?

Palestinians kidnapped Israelis, how did it end? Hostage negotiation.

Criminals regularly strike deals for shorter sentences and better prison condition.

The US has and continues to negotiate with all manner of criminals, domestic and foreign. Even for crime documentaries, you'd see serial killers negotiate escaping death penalty in return for showing the places they buried their victims.

What I see here is you're confusing the culture of negotiation for kidnapping that has come to become the norm with a holistic plan put in place by the government to force criminals to a peace deal. Nigeria has focused on the former, and not the latter.

The reason amnesty for Niger Delta Militants worked was because the militants realized that the war was only going to end with them dead or in prison, and the government knew that having the militants dead or in prison would cost them more overtime, and had no guarantee of long-term stability in the region.