Romance › Re: Guys, Name That Thing Women Wear Which You Don’t Like by TheKongoEmpire(m): 12:02am On Apr 08, 2019 |
EmpressT: Hahahaha! Wawo! The highest of the things nairaland guys don't like about ladies are Hair Wig, Eye-lashes, Make-up, Long nails and Tight clothes.
Sincerely, I am speechless. Being naturally beautiful and endowed is the best a woman can be.
I just wish all ladies can go natural.  All long as white women exist, it won't happen. You'd probably be better of getting a Northern girl or one form a rural area. Western civilization is a cancer. |
Romance › Re: Guys, Name That Thing Women Wear Which You Don’t Like by TheKongoEmpire(m): 8:48pm On Apr 07, 2019 |
Weave, perm, wig, bleach etc. I deal with none of the when with non Naija or black women. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 3:18am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: Why do you care about who BA women love or don’t love
You seem pissed that no BA woman wants you. Trust me, I just proved that I'm not missing out on anything. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 3:17am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: Well, excuse me for being off by 1%. 21% of BAs are in poverty-not 20%. Feel better now?
I’ll admit to just skimming a lot of the rest but from what I gather you pulled up stats about BAs and student loans??!! LOL! You had to concede that BA women are the most educated but ended with ‘but still in shambles’? Lol! You cannot make up this level of jealousy. I’ve never seen anyone so determined to try to put people down so badly. You do realize that says so much about YOU right?!
Anyhoo, if a sista has to take out loans to get her degree, so what? At least she’s getting it! And she’ll have to pay it back too-with that professional job the degree will allow her to have. Best investment ever! Right up there with a house. Maybe YOU should take out a loan to invest in some therapy. This anger you carry is really unhealthy.
And I think I saw single parent stats in my skim, yes? I said on page 1 that BA love black men unconditionally and fiercely-even those unworthy of their love. That’s how they end up being single moms.
Thank you for supporting my point. "New Report Finds Student Debt Burden Has 'Disastrous Domino Effect' On Millions Of Americans" https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembree/2018/11/01/new-report-finds-student-debt-burden-has-disastrous-domino-effect-on-millions-of-americans/#2ad5179f12d1This is what I mean by intellectual dishonesty. It's like you're not even trying. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 3:14am On Apr 07, 2019 |
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Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 3:11am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: Well, excuse me for being off by 1%. 21% of BAs are in poverty-not 20%. Feel better now?
I’ll admit to just skimming a lot of the rest but from what I gather you pulled up stats about BAs and student loans??!! LOL! You had to concede that BA women are the most educated but ended with ‘but still in shambles’? Lol! You cannot make up this level of jealousy. I’ve never seen anyone so determined to try to put people down so badly. You do realize that says so much about YOU right?!
Anyhoo, if a sista has to take out loans to get her degree, so what? At least she’s getting it! And she’ll have to pay it back too-with that professional job the degree will allow her to have. Best investment ever! Right up there with a house. Maybe YOU should take out a loan to invest in some therapy. This anger you carry is really unhealthy.
And I think I saw single parent stats in my skim, yes? I said on page 1 that BA love black men unconditionally and fiercely-even those unworthy of their love. That’s how they end up being single moms.
Thank you for supporting my point. You don't love black men, you know you can't play your foolish w/ other races of men. Again, why are BM hopping the fences at unprecedented rates if BW love them "unconditionally and fiercely"? |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 2:54am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: PS, KONGO, Do you know how to read stats? Yes
43% of the NEW HIV cases? You do realize that is not the same as 43% of BAs having HIV, don’t you? It also doesn’t account for those infected who haven’t been tested. I know, I can read. What I'm trying to show you is HIV/AIDs isn't the rate you make it out to be. It's just as bad here.
And let’s compare BA HIV cases to Haitian AIDS cases. Oops! We really can’t because Haitian stats aren’t reliable. People die from AIDS without ever being diagnosed, get thrown into the ground and their children sent to orphanages-that are running because of the charitable hearts of horrible BA women like my sister and me. And how do you know it isn't the same in the US?
It’s like the STD stats you pulled up. I wasn’t even going to mention it shows that about 1-10% of BAs being diagnosed because I could tell you’re just a hurt, broken person. I'm hurt nor broken.
You post links to stats without trying to interpret what they mean. Your head is clouded by irrational anger so I’m sure you’re not mentally equipped to do so. I do but I'm willing to admit they can always use some sharpening. I'm not all-knowing you know. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 2:47am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: It’s very clear you are jealous of BAs. Get over it and enjoy whatever blessings you have.
Someone’s gotta come in’last’ but be clear, 80% of BAs are middle class or higher socioeconomically. Check government stats. Then compare that to the percentage of Haitians living middle class in a BLACK country!
And the BA women you hate are the most educated group in America and have held that distinction for YEARS-over a decade.
But you like to overlook those FACTS in your hate-filled tirades-proof that you come from a place of brokenness and jealous. A balanced person would acknowledge the positive even as they accentuate the negative. https://secureservercdn.net/166.62.110.213/pg2.00d.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2016-Black-Middle-class-by-Income.png"The disparity is greatest at public four-year colleges, where black students borrow at a rate of 86.8%. Across all types of colleges, black students borrow at a rate of 77.7%, a figure significantly higher than the overall average of 60%." "Key findings: Students of color carry the most student debt Black students borrow federal student loans at higher rates than other groups of students. An estimated 77.7% of black students borrow federal student loans to pay for a higher education. This figure is significantly higher than the national average for all students (60%) and for white students (57.5%). Among class of 2012 graduates, Hispanic and black students graduated with higher amounts of student debt from private nonprofit colleges than white students. Black students also borrowed more at public colleges than white students. Among black students who started school in 2003, 1 in 2 defaulted on student loans within the following 12 years. Black students also saw their starting balance grow by a median 113% in that time frame. The rates of default were lower for Hispanic (36.1%) and white (21.5%) students." https://studentloanhero.com/featured/study-student-loans-weigh-heaviest-black-hispanic/"Robert Kelchen, assistant professor at Seton Hall University, analyzed the new data and found that black students were 150 percent more likely to accumulate $100,000 or more in student debt than white students. He also found that even when controlling for characteristics such as gender, age, marital status, master’s vs. doctoral program, institutional type, and field of study, these students were still 130 percent more likely to accumulate debts in the six-figures. Kelchen concludes that the data “strongly suggests that the black/white gap in large student debt burdens cannot be explained by other demographic characteristics or individuals’ field of study.” https://www.higheredtoday.org/2018/05/21/new-analysis-reinforces-racial-disparities-student-debt/"Debt and Minorities Minorities in general earn less than whites, though that doesn’t necessarily translate to more debt. A 2018 study of census data by ValuePenguin found that individuals who identified as white carried an average of $7,942 in credit card debt. That was followed by Asians ($7,660) and blacks ($6,172). Less credit card debt doesn’t necessarily mean less financial strain, since blacks have less overall income to pay bills." https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/demographics/Most educated and the community is still in shambles, right? If I truly hated black women, I'd be off the forum and with a non-black woman but god help I just love black women (the naturals ones anyways). Black Women Have Highest Rate of Children with Different Fathers https://wzakcleveland.com/2665761/black-women-have-highest-rate-of-children-with-different-fathers/Black men are failing catastrophically – are Black mothers to blame? http://judgybitch.com/2015/07/23/black-men-are-failing-catastrophically-are-black-mothers-to-blame/"Abstract We examine gaps between minorities and whites in educational and labor market outcomes, controlling for many covariates including maternal race. Identification comes from different reported races within the family. Estimates show two distinct patterns. First, there are no significant differences in outcomes between black and white males with white mothers. Second, large differences persist between these groups and black males with black mothers. The patterns are insensitive to alternative measures of own race and school fixed effects. Our results suggest that discrimination is not occurring based on the child skin color but through mother-child channels, such as dialect or parenting practices." http://public.econ.duke.edu/~psarcidi/interracial.pdfThe Negro Family: The Case For National Action Book by Daniel Patrick Moynihan https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Moynihan's%20The%20Negro%20Family.pdf This is what you call hatred right? I'm trolling right? You have yet to post facts that you are making with you statements. Just like a woman: emotional, not logic. |
Romance › Re: Ghanaian Female Nurses Lament: Men Are Not Bold, They Are Scared To Approach Us by TheKongoEmpire(m): 2:05am On Apr 07, 2019 |
chrisagyei: yea,am a Ghanaian and am reading all these Ghana bashing and low self esteem comments from afar.It's interesting when I read them although I sometimes find most as insulting,buh I keep it cool.They say we're too black buh I say,well,why do they think we call ourselves the Black Star Of Africa.That Black Star glows upon all the oppressions the imperialist and oppressors try to oppress it for 62 years of Independence.The Black Star glows in the darkest of darkness.We're proud to be called The Black Stars .We have different and many ethnic and groups who are very light skinned and even majority buh we all call ourselves black because of Dr. Kwame Nkrumah's one Africa dream.To the whites,we're all blacks,even Obama and Beyonce who are mixed and lighter skins are all discriminated as black folks. And group might they be? We obviously don't come in one shade but very light-skinned? I'm calling ducktales. You don't call yourselves black because of him, you call it because of the West and the social (albeit very flawed) construct called race. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 1:57am On Apr 07, 2019 |
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Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 1:56am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: We all know HIV exists in the US but not at the rate that AIDS does in Haiti.
And in America medication is available that allows people to live long lives without the disease even progressing to the AIDS stage. We don’t have a community filled with AIDS-orphans.
"That said, just get yourself a good BA woman already. We know how to love men through their pain. Some even like taking on broken humans as projects. I like my men healthy and WHOLE but there’s a compassionate BA woman ready to take you on somewhere out there. As of 2016, about 150,000 adults in Haiti are estimated to be living with HIV/AIDS, including approximately 7,900 new cases that year alone, according to data from UNAIDS. That works out to a little over 2 percent of Haiti’s population of more than 10.8 million people, with sex workers (8.4 percent HIV prevalence) and prisoners (4.3 percent HIV prevalence) among the most infected populations. Frightening as it is, the latest estimates show a decline in the crisis compared to recent years." https://www.newsweek.com/trump-aids-haiti-how-many-people-758412"Blacks/African Americansa account for a higher proportion of new HIV diagnosesb and people living with HIV, compared to other races/ethnicities. In 2017, blacks/African Americans accounted for 13% of the US populationc but 43% (16,694) of the 38,739 new HIV diagnoses in the United States and dependent areas.d" https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/racialethnic/africanamericans/index.html-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm going to go back and forth with you. Just remember you're the poorest and most disadvantaged group in the richest country. Some of you guys are actually happy your oppressor's god blessed you to be slaves in this country. That's nothing to be proud |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 1:36am On Apr 07, 2019 |
khiaa: Your ancestors were warriors but its too bad their descendants aren't worth a damn. Your ancestors fought for nothing, look at the catastrophe their descendants made of their beloved Haiti. Those men in prison eat better than those free Haitians who do nothing all day but search the earth for more mud to eat in order to get rid of their hunger. How many Haitians would rather be in American prisons where they can eat 3 meals a day as opposed to eating mud? Put yourself in your own people shoes and be thankful that black Americans made it possible for your ungrateful azz to enter into this country. You right, I am grateful but it isn't to the current generation or the generation before that/. At the end of the day BAs don't control who comes into the country. If that was the case Europeans wouldn't have entered the taken advantage of the Homestead Act among other government policies. AAs were systemically discriminated against taken part of said programs. Sometimes by force. BM gave their lives in WW1 only to come home and be lynches in their service uniforms. Stop acting like you the house slave with the direct line to the massa. Haitians went thru hell in the 80s and 90s before Zoe Pound and Top 6 came into the picture. The worse part. This is when "conscienceness" in hip-hop was at it's all time peak. We fought the Revolutionary War at the Battle of Savannah: we earned our place/. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 12:23am On Apr 07, 2019 |
AkataWoman: If you’re a Haitian in America I can understand your bitterness and anger. And YES you ARE bitter. Your posts scream HURT, ANGER and BITTERNESS.
Haitians are so devalued in this country that no one pays attention to you unless it’s negative. It’s either our coast guard turning your boats around so you can’t enter, being bullied in school for being Haitian with your Haitian ways, or unflattering stats about your country. The AIDS and poverty are out of control over there. Now the US is ending the temporary protections we gave you after the earthquake and in the process of deporting you by the planeloads.
What’s really sad is that I’ve sent lots of money to Haiti through a close relative. We both support an orphanage and the building of a school there. We’ve been doing this for over a DECADE. Two BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN!
Watch your mouth, always. You could be insulting the very hand that feeds you-or your people. I appreciate all you do and did but Haitians will survive. And make no mistake: we've already paid our pound of flesh. We're the Vanguard of the Revolution. https://blackdoctor.org/508730/10-cities-with-hiv-rates/Looks like we have the same problem. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 11:19pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
khiaa: Black men have been the whipping boys by white America since they have been in this racist country for hundreds of years but it is easier for these men on Youtube to blame their counterparts because they are too afraid to face the white man and the thought of Becky shyting on them would destroy their whole existence because these are the females who can do no wrong in their eyes. Black American women are the target for these Youtube cowardly men and I can see that you are one of them. Black American men aren't like this in real life, this is the behavior of feminine men. feminine man raised my masculine women and no fathers. Good job. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 11:16pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
khiaa: Don't pay any attention to that troll its a self-hating brainwashed Tommy Sotomayor worshiper. This is the hatred against black women that Tommy panders to white racist and self-hating coons for financial gains. I love black women. I love them so much, I'd leave America to get one. Darker and thicker than you. With her natural hair too. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 11:14pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
Twizzy30: lol.. migration is part of life.. how about you migrate down here and come help fix things for us. they rather be around nonblacks. When I go to Colombia, AAs don't go where the blacks folks are. They cheese with the other tourists. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 11:11pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
khiaa: OMGoodness!!! Are you Haitian? Look at the hell hole which is known as Haiti. Look at the behavior of a nation of hoodrats and you have the nerve to talk about Black Americans? Why don't you leave America and go and help those poor destitute people in your homeland eating cookies made out of mud to fill their bellies? Even the Dominicans hate you. We have never been that poor. Before you complain about the stick in someone's eye pick out the beam in your own. we killed our oppressors. What did you do? Because the BC is a shining example for the Afrikan world. You own what industries? These crackers in luxury clothing dog you and you still wear their shit. What do you own in your community besides food joints? And the Arabs and Chinese are moving in on that. Don't get me started on mass incarceration and fatherless. BA are on the bottom of every educational metric. Even you first HBCUs were created for the mulatto children. Of slave masters. You speak as if the BC wouldn't be in the SAME situation is it was a standalone country. You'd rather go to South America or Europe than the Continent. Please. Stop flexing. Oh the Latinos don't want no smoke. You gonna fucc around and have Zoe Pound cause havoc. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 10:39pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: In the ‘5 Facts About Efik People” you state that you’re HAITIAN!!!! I knew it!!! That makes so much more sense. I told you you’re a transparent troll. It was very obvious you were not an American-much less a Black one.
With all the stereotypes and issues in the Haitian community I’m not sure why you care about BA women-especially BA women being in relationships with Nigerian men. It has NOTHING to do with you or yours.
I feel so sorry for you. Your obvious misery is one thing. Knowing you’re Haitian gives me more insight to your pain. Damn right. And Malcolm X, Khalid Muhammad and Amos Wilson (pbut) are my Prophets. Pain? No, frankly I'm in no position to be bitter. There are those who have the right but not me. The Bloodline starts in West Africa so here I am. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 10:35pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
khiaa: Another Tommy Sotomayor brainwashed worshiper.  No. He's a fool but even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 10:33pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: So you shout the same stereotypes you claim don’t pertain to you? Did it ever occur to you that they don’t pertain to most BAs either?
You are clearly not a BA. No one in America is this angry on such a beautiful day. I don’t care where you are in the country, the weather is GORGEOUS for the 1st time in a long time.
Also, a good troll wouldn’t insult the very group they claim to be a part of. Now choose another user name, log back on and try again. LOL! Its black men how brought this to light. You should check out YouTube. BM finally have an outlet after being the whipping boy (no pun intended) of America. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 7:55pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: You are one angry person.
How miserable do you have to be to spend time talking down on and demonizing people?
What “PanAfricanist” would spew the nonsense you do about black people? You’re obviously a troll. Not a very good one at that because you’re transparent.
Any halfway reasonable person knows you can’t paint an entire group with a negative brush-the nastiest, ugliest brush you can imagine at that.
I stand by my words. Some BAs are problematic, but generally speaking, your typical BA woman works hard, loves harder, would die before she’d hurt or allow hurt to come to her man, and keeps her head raised in a world filled with people like you. Angry? No. I'm not on child support, spousal support, custody issues, broke homes etc. But you're being—again—intellectual dishonest. You raise the same men you complain about in future generations. You clamor about being both the mother and the father and complain when those fatherless children terrorize the community. There's a reason why you have BM getting passports and trying to find love somewhere else. |
Romance › Re: Ghanaian Female Nurses Lament: Men Are Not Bold, They Are Scared To Approach Us by TheKongoEmpire(m): 6:37pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
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Romance › Re: Ghanaian Female Nurses Lament: Men Are Not Bold, They Are Scared To Approach Us by TheKongoEmpire(m): 6:34pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
Cholls: my brother good luck but make sure you don't come back here with ugly charcoal ooo Wow, your British conquerors did a number on you. No one why Naija is the bleaching capital of the world. Yes, more than India. |
Romance › Re: Ghanaian Female Nurses Lament: Men Are Not Bold, They Are Scared To Approach Us by TheKongoEmpire(m): 6:31pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
Obainoneandonly: because u people are notoriously known to be promiscuous I was unaware. Anything else I should know? |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 4:47pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: I come to this conclusion by being born and raised in the US as the descendant of slaves who’ve been on US soil for centuries.
BA women have at no point in history had the ‘slutty, promiscuous’ stereotype in this country. Ever. We’ve had other stereotypes but not that one. you're right but that was in the past. After y'all excepted feminism, the same white women fleeced BM (who were the true intended recipients of AffAct), they went behind you can took your men. https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats16/minorities.htmBlacks are disproportionately affected by STIs. Both sexes in nearly all categories. This didn't occur in a vacuum. Everyone knows (or thinks)BP are sexually aggressive and hypersexualized. Stop being intellectually dishonest. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 4:30pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: Hood rats are a contained subculture that most BAs refuse to go near, live around or deal with. I’m not even talking about them in this thread. They are a different breed. Only equally hood guys deal with them. � They all got a little ratchet in them.� |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 4:28pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
AkataWoman: I come to this conclusion by being born and raised in the US as the descendant of slaves who’ve been on US soil for centuries.
BA women have at no point in history had the ‘slutty, promiscuous’ stereotype in this country. Ever. We’ve had other stereotypes but not that one. Lies. Doesn't matter how educated they are, there's always that possibility of a goon running thru them. You from the DMV, don't get me started on the HBCUs and the debauchery that happens there. From AKAs to the other Greeks, we all know what the lick read. If it the thugs, it's the white boys. They know they don't have to do any work before BW giving it up. Esp. in corporate America. Stop flexing. |
Romance › Re: Why Can’t 9ja Men Just Admit Akata Women Make Great Mates? by TheKongoEmpire(m): 4:23pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
I'm an American and I know you over selling out. BA don't have the best views. Loud, obnoxious among other things. You know damn well you're seen as the easiest group of women, besides white girls. You guys are extremely combative to the point black men would rather deal with the backlash of interracial dating (lynchings and all) than deal with BW. If the black race disappearals, it'll be thru the men. As a Pan-african, I don't condone it but I understand it. That said, the BC is in shambles, which is a shame. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. There's no universal law that states things HAVE to get better. |
Politics › Re: Violence Claims 3,683 Nigerians In 14 Months — Global Rights by TheKongoEmpire(m): 6:59pm On Apr 05, 2019 |
Brazil had 63k homicides in one year. Nigeria is relatively safe. And I say that lightly. |
Culture › Re: 5 Facts You Probably Didn’t Know About The Efik People by TheKongoEmpire(m): 7:49am On Apr 05, 2019 |
ivolt: Africans and inferiority complex. All indigenous African tribes originated from Africa, there is plenty of DNA evidence to support this.
The middle east origin like most biblical stories are pure jewish myths. shameful really. I'm Haitian and I look down at such claims. I'll take the mantle of the Original Man. |
Culture › Re: Ibo, Hausa And Yoruba Are Not Indegenous Africans by TheKongoEmpire(m): 7:38am On Apr 05, 2019 |
Epsilon5: I didn't know Africans claimed to be from other places than Africa. Apparently that's where some of those African America s get thwir shame of being Afeican from and why they claim to be Israelites and Native Americans. Fruit don't fall far from the tree. Lol I had to comment on that. Some of these AAs aren't worth the paper their printed on. |
Travel › Re: Haitian American Traveling To Nigeria For The First Time by TheKongoEmpire(op): 10:17pm On Apr 04, 2019 |
londoner: Nigerians are yet to actually market themselves or extend a hand to those who are away from home because of the slave trade.
This is what Ghana and a few other countries have done and rightly so. That is why so many people feel they won't be welcomed by Nigerians because they don't see the same move towards them from Nigerian leaders. I hope they changes in the future. |