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Jodera:
That 3 peat Real Madrid side was just there. They were good but certainly not the best. In all the 3 peat, they weren't overwhelmingly favourites to win the competition until they reached the final. Heck, every team had a belief that they can beat them (well until they're knocked out)


Guardiola's Barca on the other hand was a different level. Everybody who meets them expected to park the bus or at least tweak their formation just to contain them. You park bus, wahala; you no park bus, wahala.
They were a joy to behold, they were devastatingly dangerous. Any win against them then is greeted with much euphoria and fan fare by even opposition fan.


There are levels to this thing and Madrid 3-peat team no near am one bit. In fact, there's a reason Zidane isn't still feared even with his 3 peat. Guardiola on the other hand was very very most feared then!

Just ask any Chelsea fan who they'd prefer right now between Zidane and Pep if both were available and willing to come to Chelsea.

It's a no-brainer.

A001:
Real Madrid is the number one at the moment. Below is your initial post I quoted. If you had said regarded in the post, I'd agree with you.

At the moment, Real Madrid is generally regarded as the biggest and greatest club in the world.

Some years ago, it used to be Barca.

SMH, Oga you dont even understand the argument here. Real Madrid has been the biggest and most successful club in the world since 2000 (over 23 years ago). That has not changed since then and is not the bone of contention here.

The point is about the strongest group of player performance ever seen in any club at any given point in time, and the question arises, which of the great Madrid teams would consistently defeat Pep's 08-11 Barca side? Is it the three-peat version that a less strong Barca side was smashing 4-0, 3-0, 5-1 upandan? That is the koko. None of Madrid's great versions can stand toe to toe with Pep's Barca side. I rest my pen.

Kilishihunter:
I find it disgusting when Barça under pep was questioned for refereee decisions but let things slide when referee discrepancies are raised about the real Madrid three peat side. Na Bayern even suffer am pass but na Barça oga pkasso dey drag

It's the natural bias at play. All those offside goals vs Bayern, last minute pen vs Juve were as bad as Ovrebo's case, but they've chosen to play ostrich in the sand.

Which Ref supported Barca to win in 2011 and 2015? Is it the deserved red card to Real Madrid in the Semis 2nd half? That would be laughable.

When Arsenal was red carded vs Barca in the 2006 final since 24th minute first half, did you hear them give excuse that Barca won unfairly only because Arsenal got an early red? They weren't saying that because they were fiercely anti-Arsenal then.

A001:
I didn't.

You were unable to counter my points, so you then bailed out with an unrelated statement that I never disagreed with in the first instance. So that's a coded concession.

a4turitoroman:
Best ever single team with only 5 ucl and 26 la Liga titles.

Real Madrid is and will always remain the biggest club in the world

Chai English hard for una to understand. But I refuse to do this work.

A001:
Okay, no need for long talk. Real Madrid is the greatest and biggest club in the world. That's a fact.

Thank you for conceding to my points.

A001:
Lols, majority? Says who? Do you have a source where you and these your majority voted and came to that conclusion? Lols.

Barca no even reach. Real Madrid is the numero uno. Make una rest with agenda and ridiculous assertions.

Who's talking about voting? Most pundits both during interviews and in articles make reference to Barca 2008-2011 as the best ever in club football. It's the general perception in official football circles. You dont need to argue about this for argument sake. There is a reason why when City won this UCL, the benchmark against which they were measured was Barca 11 and not any of the Madrid teams.

Which of the Real Madrid teams can defeat Barca 2008 - 2011 consistently? 1998 - 2002? 2013 - 2018 that a less potent Barca side was wiping the floor with? Or is it 1961 - 66 that Pele's Santos was rubbing shoulders with? None among them can.

Real Madrid might be the greatest club of all time on an aggregate level but the best ever single team belongs to the Blaugrana.

BlueAngel444:
no football club side, team nor XI can ever be called the greatest in history. Because so far none has done what no other club is incapable of doing.

What achievements does a club have to earn to gain such a title.

If any club deserves greatest anything it should be Madrid, greatest UCL club ever, and have the greatest UCL side ever, winning the most UCLs titlest in a decade and doing the impossible back to back and adding na extra to the back.

The only title Barca may earn will be winning the most trophies in a single season. But there are clubs that win all the trophies they compete in, to them that's the treble, and it's not a new thing. I feel Barca were fortunate to compete in more competitions but that doesn't make them greatest in which ever transdimensional history that statement is supposed to exist in.


I believe the original question wasn't which of the two is the greatest but who will beat who if they played, man city 2023 Vs Barca 2011, and I believe the statement focuses on their individual UCL campaign of which both didn't even have the best singular UCL campaign.

U may even compare it with Madrid last year, Bayern 2020 nor Chelsea 2021 and still question the so called greatest tag some assume Barca 2011 is supposed to have

This will always be a subjective question. However, majority of the informed football ecosystem generally regard Barca 2008 - 2011 as the zenith of quality club football of all time simply because they displayed an unprecedented level of technique and domination of opponents never seen before at that level.

On the national team front, Brazil 1970 and Spain 2008 - 2012 are generally considered the greatest.

The funny one I know is:

No mata how fast bumbum run reach, e go always dey behind prick

MT:
No they are not. Nigeria currency will lose value against the Cefa, which is not good for the country as well. Import dependent nation will NEVER grow. This is micro economics.

The expected slight loss in value to the Cefa would likely be more bearable when compared to the benefits from reduced food prices.

Nigeria economics typically deviates from traditional economic theories, for example how do you explain how locally produced rice became significantly costlier after border closure when the theoretical idea was to improve local production and lower prices.

MT:
Then you won't be in a position to blame the govt if a dollar is exchanged for 2000 naira. Opening the borders put too much pressure on the naira. In a simpler term, too much naira will be chasing dollars, and naira will keep losing value.

Every great nations on earth depend less on import. There is a reason for it.

Are cars and rice from Benin republic priced in USD? If no, how would opening the border then increase the demand for dollar?

Jodera:
na now you come.

It's your opinion so it's understandable. Even if MJ is not among the Top 1000 is your sight, itx still your opinion.
Your initial statement, one would think it's a fact when In actual fact, it's not!!

The Good thing is that Opinions aren't facts!!

MJ might not have the highest number of musical awards or statistics, but in terms of overall musical personality and global impact, he is the greatest entertainer/artiste of all time.

In fact he is one of the greatest/ most popular names of all times as his personality transcends music.

In music, the other GOAT candidates are Frank Sinatra, Beatles, Elvis, Beyonce, Prince, Madonna and maybe Whitney. MJ trumps them all.

MJ is an era-defining personality like Caesar, Da Vinci, Newton, Edison, Ghandi, Ghengiz, Mohammed Ali etc.

I like how Obembet is now receiving sense small small. Now he has downgraded his assessment of Pendu from the greatest to the great.

Congrats to Alhaji for his 200th cap but nawa for Pendulums sha. Messi scored a magnificent goal some days ago in addition to some mesmerising dribbling runs vs Australia, but we no dey loud am cos it's normal level for the GOAT. But ordinary tap in after ghosting for 90mins, una dey shout upandan.

Well I understand they've been starved of bragging rights, so anything will do at this point

Lol, First Bank, First Robot..

The robot was sha a bit clumsy and repetitive in handling the woman's request. Needs a little fine-tuning to have that 9ja vibe.

You missed out on Yahooze and Konko below. Top 2 dances of the decade 2000 -2010.

Pep is the only Manager in history to win two trebles (with UCL) and obviously the only one to win trebles with 2 different teams. He also won a third domestic treble.

But the trophies are only a crowning moment. More importantly, Pep has revolutionized football.

Yesterday, Inter's best could still not match City's worst performance of 2023 which testifies to the extremely high level Pep has taken City to.

And it's not about the money. He turned a team with Ake, Akanji, Stones, Grealish, Foden, Gundogan, Dias, Foden who all are just average or decently good players individually into collective monsters. Some other team spent 600million pounds just to achieve 12th position.

All that being said, this City team is still yet to reach the level of control, fearsomeness and utter domination that Barca 2008 - 2012 team had. That team remains the benchmark for the highest level of club football.

Pls give Pep his Ballon D'or already!

Pep is the only Manager in history to win two trebles (with UCL) and obviously the only Manager to win trebles with 2 different teams. He also won a third domestic treble.

But the trophies are only the crowning moment of the more important revolution Pep has brought to football.

Today's match was probably the worst they played in 2023 yet they were still a bit too much for Inter to handle which testifies to the extremely high level he has taken City to.

And it's not about the money. He turned a team with Ake, Akanji, Stones, Grealish, Foden, Gundogan, Dias, Foden who all are just average or decently good players individually into collective monsters. Some other teams spent 600million pounds to get to12th place.

All that being said, this City team is still yet to reach the level of control, fearsomeness and utter domination that Barca 2008 - 2012 team had. That team remains the benchmark for the highest level of club football.

Maybe Pep should win the Ballon D'or instead of a player.

Congrats to Pep and City.

Pep is the only Manager in history to win two trebles (with UCL) and obviously the only Manager to win trebles with 2 different teams. He also won a third domestic treble.

But the trophies are only the crowning moment of the more important revolution Pep has brought to football.

Today's match was probably the worst they played in 2023 yet they were still a bit too much for Inter to handle which testifies to the extremely high level he has taken City to.

And it's not about the money. He turned a team with Ake, Akanji, Stones, Grealish, Foden, Gundogan, Dias, Foden who all are just average or decently good players individually into collective monsters. Some other teams spent 600million pounds to get to12th place.

All that being said, this City team is still yet to reach the level of control, fearsomeness and utter domination that Barca 2008 - 2012 team had. That team remains the benchmark for the highest level of club football.

Pls give Pep his Ballon D'or already!

OJEEMAH:
When it comes to decision making, leave am for Messi. For years, we’ve been telling them Messi is way smarter than their noise maker and clout chaser but they believe. E don clear for their eyes😂

He will earn from apple, adidas and maybe own a club before or after after retirement

And the good thing is, Messi’s move to Inter Miami did not in anyway halt his cash out plan in Saudi. He told them to delay the deal until 2024. This means he can decide to go to Saudi to earn a mouth watering sum after a year or two in MLS

Factos💯 bruv!

GOAT wey get sense and integrity.

Looked at 400million camel USDs in the eye and confidently said No. Meanwhile na only less than two hundi million yearly dem dangle in front of Alhaji eye wey he tear race, run inside desert pass the speed of light

His decision pain Pendulums ehn, they were waiting for him to join Saudi to lash back at us. But GOAT get levels pass them and their asun.

Wanted by Barca, Chelsea and Newcastle unlike the Pendusted guy that couldn't even get Sporting Lisbon.

iCauseTrouble:
Saka is greater than Tinubu

Lol, go and shout this at Saka Tinubu in V.I Lagos.

The original Idan.

Zlatan is never late. On the day Zlatan came late for training, the other team mates were penalized for coming too early.

Enjoy your next stage Senor, possibly film-acting.

OJEEMAH:
At the mention of WC, Joker disappear😂😂😂😂

Lol that's the antidote for Pendulums. At the mention of WC everyone of them must scatter.

Them get luck say I no be Messi WC trophy pic spammer🤣, thank you for doing the Lord's work for me bro.

Jokerman:
Leave Al Nassr. It's a retirement league

Talk about Juve and PSG

Nah, let's talk about the World Cup, it was part of this season remember?

Jokerman:
Like PSG needed Pessi input to win the league 🤣🤣🤣... Just like Juve didn't need CR7 to win 2 leagues on a row with Him winning best player and top scorer....🤣🤣🤣

Manners Joker, manners - very important when you talk about the GOAT. It's like you want to be Sunday schooled and I'll gladly oblige you.

Without Messi's 32 goal contributions for PSG this season, they wouldn't even come second, more like 4th/5th.

And what a way to win it. On the same day Pendusted bungled the title for Al Nassr, Messi won it for PSG. Levels dey to this thing.

Congratulations to the GOAT.

For 2 seasons in a row now, Lionel Messi has scored the title winning goal for PSG. #Unmatchable

Kilishihunter:
That boy is Fernando Redondo's son I think, one of vardrid's great CDMs so I'll reckon he'll probably have that anti Barça bias, if we can convince him to come though it'll be superb business for us and helps save the cost of spending 60m on Zubimendi

I agree. But the anti-Barca bias might not be strong with him on account of Messi.

andrew444:
This Federico redondo of Argentina dey move me o

Kid plays like busi

True. He just needs to add the famous waist turn and some double leg ball-shift dribbles and you'd have a complete prime Busi replica.

Hear he's got a good relationship with Messi as well. Think Barca should consider getting him now before spending 160m pounds in 3years time to prize him from elsewhere.

MrMcJay:
Reminds me of someone I know who left a Big 4 Accounting firm to join Visionscape as a top shot.

Lol Visionscape,is that not the audio waste management company Ambode gave Lagos contract to that was scrapped after his exit.

It's good to look and project well before you leap. But I'm sure that by now that person would have found another good offer.

By next year, Guardiola would probably be in a class of his own. He needs to keep his players motivated enough to do this though which might be difficult after winning such amount of trophies.

That said, I concede Fergie is still the greatest EPL manager ever but that is only for now. If Pep wins it next year, he'll be the EPL GOAT.

OJEEMAH:
Leave those ignoramus.

They are always on standby to discredit or rubbish his achievements. This is exactly what they’ve been doing to Messi.

The very moment Pep/Messi achieves something great or defy their logic, the goal post is automatically shifted to suit their inconsequential narrative

And just like Messi made them gobble up their vomit, Pep would do the same this year even though I believe without the UCL Pep's legacy is already sacrosanct.

All modern football tactics, i.e the high-press, tiki-taka, false nine, inverted fullbacks (defenders acting as midfielders), Goalkeeper-sweeper, passing out from the back, were all pioneered/popularised by Pep. Even their teams now use these tactics yet they still call Pep a fraud. Some people are just destined to be perennial haters.

Just ask all dem Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, Ancelotti, Wenger, Ferguson etc that who is the greatest tactician of this football era and I'm sure all will say Pep except only Mourinho.

Joke of an opinion.

Peps legacy goes beyond just trophies. He has influenced football in the past 8 years. Nowadays, even small teams play possession based football from the back and look for keepers that are good with their feet. All credit to Pep the pioneer.

He is clearly better than Mourinho.