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davidylan:
If we look closely, the irrational virulence associated with atheism is based primarily on fear . . .

- fear that God might indeed exist

- or fear that there is way too much self-sacrifice involved with Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
What's the difference between 12 and half a dozen?  Both of you are unbelievers in Christ's resurrection.  You have to believe before you can see the light of the glorious gospel.

Pastor AIO:
O pari o!  You don talk am finish.  Nothing more to add.

OLAADEGBU:
Why don't you ask him?  And if that is too difficult to do why don't you go and find out for yourself?  The onus is on you to disprove him, don't you think so?

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21).

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

Why kill innocent little children what was their own crime?

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins.  I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.  (Leviticus 26:21-22)

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst."   (Deuteronomy 13:7)

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day.  Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly.  But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him.  Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses."   Numbers 15:32-36

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

OLAADEGBU:
Maybe the use of your evolutionary spectacles are deceiving you.  The OP was posted on April 14 2009 by 0704 AM and the one you are referring to was posted July 28 2009, how you see the second post as the opening posts beats me.  Since you skeptics stick to your axioms of seeing is believing, it seems to me that it is more like the more you look the less you see.

I don't even think that you read the post that you are adamant about.  If you read the case put forward by Garry T. Ansdell you will have to agree with his case of circumstantial evidence.

OLAADEGBU:
This is what the OP (opening post) reads:

If you had taken the time to click and read the presentation in the link provided instead of dozing of as seen in your picture you would have understood the answer to your question instead off going on a wild goose chase.

Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) made a case out of this when he stated that "The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential:

* the empty tomb still exists,

Deep Sight:
Toney will you positively assert to me that the Brain itself is a creature . . .

Does it not make more sense to assert that creatures have brains. . .

Address that!

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe in the existence of Israel at all? The Muslims have tried and are still trying to wipe out the evidence out of existence but they are fighting a losing battle. If you doubt its existence, take out a map or rather google it up and find out its location, book yourself a flight and go and find out by yourself.

Trypho, a Jew, said in the 2nd century in his discussion with Justin Martyr that:

"One Jesus, a Galilean deceiver, . . . [color=green]we crucified, but his disciples stole him by night from the tomb, where he was laid unfastened from the cross, and now deceive men by asserting that he has risen from the dead and ascended into heaven[/color]."

Christianity could not have originated in Jerusalem within a few weeks of the supposed resurrection if there were no empty tomb. No one would have believed the resurrection if there were no empty tomb seeing the resurrection was first preached in Jerusalem, this was the very city in which the body of Jesus had lain within a few weeks of crucifixion and burial. All that the Jews had to do was to produce His body and that would have settled the matter.

Deep Sight:
^^^ The Soul is the being. It is the real entity.

The brain being a tool is what can be said to have a function in temporal terms.

THE soul cannot be spoken of as having a function in real terms. . . at best it can be said that it is the natural emanation of the energy of divinity and the self expression of the universal mind. . .

OLAADEGBU:
The existence of the tomb had never been in doubt among the Jews throughout history it was a known historical fact.  Go to Israel and carry out your own independent research and then give us your feedback.

The Jews have always admitted and assumed that the tomb was empty.  It is just that their explanations for the empty tomb is untenable.  They claimed that the disciples stole His body away which sounds like a lame excuse.

viaro:
Perhaps I should just ignore the roundabout diversionary play here and just focus on the concerns germane to this thread. Thank you all (mazaje and toneyb, you guys are good to talk with, cheers).

viaro:
I just replied Deep Sight and showed some of the works that are recorded as having been done by believing Christians. I did not include examples of some we have today for just one reason: many people are given to controversies and all the 'pimping' going on in Christendom, and I'd not like to go down that path. However, I know firsthand that many Christians have done the miraculous, and that is incontrovertible. That I have no record of anyone who has walked on water does not mean that no Christian has done ANY of the works of Jesus - that is a patently sad lie.

Like I said earlier: "I have seen people miraculously healed in precisely the way that some of the apostles did in Acts 19:12, and in some instances some who had the power to heal had not been able to manifest them." What was difficult to understand in that? NOTHING. But yes, I have seen firsthand where Christians have actually healed the sick - that is subjective, but again I owe no atheist any submission for not being able to experience what I or any other Christian has. The fact is that none of these atheists themselves know what their atheism is, and that is why I noted that some atheists today just speak about "spirituality" as a compromise because they have nothing in the matrix of their naturalism to explain what they can't handle.

Any if you've not seen one, that is enough to conclude in your drivel that no Christian has done ANY of the works of Jesus? You're not even in grade yet.

Oh c'mon! I have seen debates from 'Christians'  who deny everything in the Bible, so what's new?    Their denials are nothing to go by, because most often you ask them why then do they still retain 'Christian' in their worldview, and the answer? More excuses than their initial denials.

Abu Zola:
Jesus of the bible died and never resurrected

OLAADEGBU:
Don't expect me to spoon feed you. If you don't believe in the existence of God why would you want me to show you the empty tomb? Sincere skeptics like Morison, Lee Strobel, Lord Lyttleton, Gilbert West and so on examined the evidence before them objectively, carried out their own research and then reached a conclusion that changed their lives for good. Your can't just sit behind your desk and expect to be spoon fed.

JeSoul:
You didn't answer my question so I still cannot answer yours.

How does my personal belief in the virgin birth story negatively or positively affect anyone other than myself? The answer will give you a massive hint why a big chunk of Religulous is ridiculous.

viaro:
In context of the meaning/definitions provided from the link noetic16 provided, I pointed out those as 'anomalies'. I did not claim to be in the position of verifying them empirically; nor am I aware of any atheistic materialist who has a philosophical and scientific paradigm to know the details of every occurence in the history of the Universe.

I don't know; but perhaps a conjecture is that naturalism will not record anything that it has no way of explaining.

That is remarkable! I shall let Muslims on NL offer you coherent answers thereto.

What do you mean 'never recorded in reality'?

Deep Sight:
Sorry, but this says nothing.

Will a defective tool not hamper the performance of its principal just as clearly suggested in the example you gave of a violent person?

What do you understand by the word “tool?”

Not good enough.

I hope you understand that you are suggesting to me the reverse;

Namely that the brain is the independent creature in itself and the man (with physical body, legs to walk about, etc) is its tool.

Abeg joooooooooooor!

Deep Sight:
I would have thought that the brain is a tool via which the soul apprehends the world. Of course if the tool is defective, apprehension would be defective or impossible.