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@ donzman contd

why is health not an ordinary commodity? u may ask. in a poor country like ours, if someone is so poor he cant afford good quality health what does that mean? any small illness can comfortably kill him? no bro. no be so. while money economics may play a role in the type of hospital one may wish to visit in a capitalist economy, the basic quality health service should be available to all. meaning, there should be sound hospitals where quality care is given to all who come. at most it may be a bit crowded but quality care must be available. i.e every patient who needs oxygen for survival is given oxygen. not a situation where a teaching hospital has no oxygen, or doctors are on strike, or there's no power supply for an emergency surgery, or there's no TT in the casualty ward. c'mon. we can do better. if the rich ones like they can now go to private clinics where they may have those same services but only them will be in a ward.

even the US u quoted as a capitalist health system, i remember when busu came to power newly, his deputy cheney had a heart attack and he was rushed to george washington university hospital for emergency heart surgery. that hospital is not privately owned. yet it is sound enough for the US VP. if the US can be involved in Education, how much more Health. and yet that is the most capitalist country on earth.

@donzman contd

the thing is we have been so unfortunate that we have never had any sound govt since independence and as such we dont even know what is expected of a govt. but i guess, having been in Canada for sometime, u must have seen how a govt looks like. b/c what we have in nigeria is an anachronistic political calamity and unfortunately most naijans have come to accept it as what govt is all about. but it is not so. we must hold govt to account.

@donzman (contd)

if there are so much fake drugs in the society who do we blame? govt of course. and why not. we pay taxes to govt. govt uses the funds to carry out various services to the people including (in nigeria) the setting up of agencies like NDLEA,NAFDAC,Police,Army etc.

how can u say we shouldn't blame govt if there is so much fake drugs? i did not say it is the govt that supplied the fake drugs, all i say is, who takes responsibility for that? govt. it is their duty to check fake drugs and if they dont do it they have failed the electorate.

so if there is insecurity in nigeria today u'll say govt has no responsibility for that? after all the president is not a murderer. but it shows that the police is inefficient and as such the govt whose responsibility it is to provide a well equipped police force has failed in that duty. conversely, if NAFDAC cant control inflow of fake drugs, govt is to be held responsible.

@donzman,
have u heard of the right to life? it is a fundamental human right. what is the definition of health? complete physical, emotional mental social wellbeing, and not just the absence of disease. tell me, what is life without health? literally speaking, by the definition of health, there is very little difference btw health and life, which is a fundamental human right. go figure.

by the way, health is not just an ordinary commodity or good/service where you can employ the tactics of economics. health is a humanitarian issue. human health, like human life is sacrosanct. it is a special kind of commodity the utilisation of which should never be left to the whims and caprices of the forces of economics. so your economic theories are innappropriate for the health sector. even the health economics agree.

liverpool a.k.a the reds

what the hell is yankeepool

@donzman continued

u talk of fake drugs in the society. who is responsible for blocking fake drugs importation? who is responsible for catching all those who produce fake drugs? people pay tax and govt sets up NAFDAC if the drug agency fails whose fault?

the failure of the healthsector is to be placed on the table of the govt. period.

infact i do believe u were typing in front of ur laptop last night with 2 or 3 or 4 or more pints of beer just joking

bro, govt don fail us. no mistake.

@donzman contd

3. private clinics are nothing but a shadow of the economy and social system in the country. the Doctors who have the wherewithal to establish excellent centres will rather leave the country b/c govt cant provide conditions that will enable them to do so such as power supply(dont tell me about generator b/c they make noise and who wants so much noise near his patients)even at that where is the fuel. steady fuel scarcity will make the doctor spend more time looking for fuel than treating his patients. if there are bad roads, nothing thrives, security nko. so those who can afford it leave the nation. also they would want to further thier knowledge in research.who will sponsor such a research in naija? govt? lol.

4. there may be a lot of immorality in many medical schools in nigeria but u cant fault the competence of the average nigerian doctor. the evidence is overwhelming, those who leave for the west pass those exams with relative ease. compared to our own local exams in nigeria.

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@donzman,
i have to disagree entirely with you here.
1. health is a fundamental human right and it is even part of the MDGs. every govt has a duty to its citizens to provide healthcare. healthy citizenry makes healthy nation. and govt plays a major role in training Drs thru teaching hospitals which should not just be health sanctuaries but also centres of health research and learning. even the US u are quoting is entangled in a fight to sponsor stem cell research. remember? that is a health issue and the US govt is thickly involved. make no mistake.
2. there is no excuse for the govt  for the failed health sector. in 1980, the university college hospital ibadan was among the top 5 health centres in the commonwealth. in case u dont know, the commonwealth includes UK,Canada,Australia and New Zealand. where is the UCH now. who's to blame?
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babyosisi:
Toshmann is in love lust with nairaland females.
He has no room for bitterness

nne kedu ihe m mere gi?

is it not better than all the bitterness that litters nairaland.

biko hapu toshmann nwa mama ka ochuru umuoma jare

i'm not bitter

i like ur attitude big b1,

i'm with you . . . . .  wait a minute . . . . is that not what i just said to mckren?    anyways, big b1 i'm now with you

Big B1:
Well, if that is the case I'm with you and it is very funnnny.

Damn, the man is U G L Y!

but u spoilt it by aligning with mckren again. . . . anyhow sha. . . i'm with you guys

breathing fire in anger

razor, man u are cowards. they always want to immitate the reds(liverpool) but they could only get the red devils

the reds---liverpool

the red devils----man u. all man u fans are lovers of devils

the remaining 10% are hopeless

topic shoulda been

90% of chelsea fans are foolish

i cant believe nobody in this thread could say something reasonable. best team in EPL and all they can say is man u, chelsea, arsenal bla bla bla. . . . . . .

hisses and leaves the foolish thread

make una try win tottenham first

and all the noise in nigeria about women where has it led to? huh? i think an effective fundamental human rights machinery will take care of those social ills which affect women. those who chose to break off into some women arrangee are just attention seekers. yes. we know them.

what has the rural woman in, say, rural katsina gained? what? the lady that was to be stoned in northern nigeria was saved not by noise making feminist bullshit but by right thinking humanists who are propelling the issue of fundamental human rights

solution? what do we do?

come to think of it, this is not funny, i shouldn't be laughing at such inhuman treatment.it's hightime somebody takes care of mugabe

unfortunately, zimbabwe has no oil. so no us/uk intervention

mckren, i dey with you for this one. o'boy, atiku should be thanking God for small mercies o ;

o'boy see face

amaghi m aha the village. ma na ha bukwa ndi aro. aha nna ya bu mazi orji.

haha, amaghi m o agara m awo ihu ezigbo enyi m nke bu umu mazi orji, oge nna ya nwuru n'afo 2002. emechakwara nne ya anwuo n'afo 2003. agara m ga si enyi m ndo, nonyekwara ya

haaa, oru. nwanne mmadu. ndaalu. onwere mgbe m gara awo mmamma. oru di ya nso okwaya?
translation
(there was a time i went to awo mmamma. oru is close to awo mmamma.right?)

ari mkpaghara imo steti isi?

yes a wu m onye mbano kara aka

gi kwa nu?

[size18pt]man u stinks[/size]

if you hate man utd shout tufiakwa