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nice analogy ijebuman,just that unlike u i'm worried.b/c u cant contnue treting fever with paracetamol. the fever will continue to return untill u treat with anti malaria or anti typhoid or anti, whatever that is causing the fever. so if the underlying factor causing all these problemsa are not addressed thet will continue to crop up in the future.

that to me is the real problem here

democracy naija style. that's why we don't move forward. we hate to say the truth. somebody has been rigged into office and he wants to change the constitution to suit him.hmmmmn,this country is moving backwards. i no know wetin go happen soon but it does'nt look good

@seun contd

when i said it may take some blood to resolve,i was not trying to sound mean or to be negative minded, with all due respect, seun, i was just stating the obvious. it was bound to happen,whether i say it or not. HISTORY HAS IT THAT VIOLENCE FOLLOWS PERPETUAL, SUSTAINED OPPRESSION.ALWAYS. ask history students,they may educate us more on this.

FINALLY, though u may not want to apologise, i'm still civilised enough to still respect u,ur feelings and ur person(i probably hurt ur feelings.well. i was only saying the truth and truth hurts.)and ur opinion but, I WILL NOT WITHDRAW ANY STATEMENT I HAVE MADE SO FAR.NOT ONE WORD.I HAVE SPOKEN MY MIND,I THINK IT IS THE TRUTH. I STAND BY IT.TRUTH HURTS BUT IT MUST BE SAID.BAN ME IF U LIKE.

HAVE A NICE DAY.

@seun contd

for rwanda, THE HUTUS WERE CARRYING OUT THE ANNIHILATION OF THE TUTSIES. govt did nothing.blood was being shed.nothing happened.people were killed.nothing happened. then the tutsies formed a rebel gang and fought back.civil war erupted and b4 u knew it there was total chaos. today,rwanda is relatively stable. everybody appreciates the other from the other tribe. anybody coming to rwanda may like the peace there now but what he may not know is the carnage that came b4 the peace.

that is life for u. some human beings are so mean that they will continue to destroy others unless something drastic is done. most times, the only thing drastic enough to stop these people is counter-violence. check human history.

the killings in the north has been going on for decades(if u want details let me know).nothing happens. nobody takes it seriously enough. so now the natural sequence is taking place,

@seun contd

i never thought of those at home as he and she goats.that would mean calling my father and sibblings he and she goats.i beg ur pardon.

nobody likes war. i don't.but look at south africa. there was racial injustice. mandela et al used all legitimate means of fighting the injustice but they were rebuffed. he had to do something violent ( but they tried to avoid loss of human lives).and ended in prison.but it didn't end there. u heard about the 1976 uprising of pupils in south africa. people struggled,lives were lost and finally justice prevailed. this is history for u. if the allies did not go to war,nazi germany would have wiped the jews. without the incessant suicide bombings israel would have still been in gaza strip.

seun look at history,whenever an unbearable injustice prevails at population levels,violence and bloodshed follows b4 unfortunately the issues get resolved(if at all),

@seun

with all due respects,i did not intend to revile at u. i was expressing myself. what u said was close to abusive. i'm not happy and i do need an apology.

2ndly, i don't live in the states. i live in nigeria but for now i'm a student in the u.k(not u.s).i have nigeria in my blood and my family is still back home.

look at history,why do u think the united states started the doctrine of separation of church and state?wht do u think western europe is so democratic. why do u think that the u.s started the free press policy,freedom for all citizens,sensitive to racism . why do u think europe is virtually a welfare state, etc. seun i don't mean to hurt ur feelings but wars were fought b4 these issues were resolved. if u need more details let me know.i have read a lot of history. and i have learnt that history repeats itself.

eve in religion, for the christains(which i am and thank God i am) God had to pay a price to save humanity and it took the preciuos blood of Jesus. and islam,i am not sure of the facts, but i think(i humbly want to be corrected if i am wrong and not another killings in nigeria) we were taught in school that some wars(jihad) had to be fought for the sake of islam(correct me if i am wrong please).

seun, in 1993 the yorubas wanted to declare republic of oduduwa b/c june 12 was annulled. they sensed tribal injustice and rightly felt aggrieved.the nation felt their pain and seeded the presidency to the southwest(the biggest political blunder in our history) to pacify the west. but ibos have suffered serial pogrom for decades.no compensation,the killers aint brought to justice. what did u expect them to do. keep being killed?


seun be rational abeg. sometimes,unfortunately,the only effective means of communication is by blood. it is only a shame that our govt allowed it to get to this stage.

our nation is dying. i thank God that HE shielded me from all this mess. i wish i can do something to stop it. but i can't. but God can.

BABA GOD SAVE THIS COUNTRY

u see, this finally sums up the root of all this crises. UNEMPLOYMENT. that is why an able bodies strong young man who has no job after graduation can do anything.gets annoyed easily.and can be violent. the youth in the country are a wasted generation. if there were jobs they would all be thinking about their jobs and not looking for someone to kill.


unfortunately for them, their govt is thinking of 3rd term. and the idle youth now fall prey easily to temptations of violence. see the result?

my problem is not the muslim or christain.there are good and bad amongst both groups. my problem is the govt that is busy stealing money and doing nothing about this injustice for over 5 decades, it is begining to yield bad fruits.

can u imagine,in the face of all this killings the fed govt is busy talking about 3rd term. hmmmn,rome burns while nero sings. our country is in deep shit. the way things are going ,worse is yet to come. FAILED STATE WITH NO GOVT. God save us.

vichel, the phrase ONE NIGERIA is an illusion. the earlier u realise it the better. i feel safer in u.k than in kaduna or kano. though i'm a nigerian. a pakistani muslim will feel safer in kano than me. is that how ONE NIGERIA is run?

josboy4lif, i do appreciate how u feel about life being sacred, but remember,it took a civil war in america to stop slave trade. racial injustice is a terrible crime against humanity.what do u do in the face of perpetual injustice as the ibos have had for decades. the govt does nothing about it. what did u expect. i hate war, but sometimes violence may be the only effective means of communication. this is unfortunate and i blame the fed govt which has been tolerating this non sense since 1953

the ibos now feel that the fed govt doesn't care and have resorted to defending themselves the way they know how best to. SADLY. but let me remind u, SELF DEFENSE IS A RIGHT.If civilised means of protecting themselves(hoping the fed govt would stop this nonsense) has failed serially for decades,it now leaves them with the alternate option. what do u think?

good talk oyibo.i dont think we can do much now.but for our children's generation let us turn things to the right direction.if we give them a war torn country.pity. the problem is not the white man.the problem is in our land,our people,our leaders and everybody.

nobody wants war.bu if this trend continues unchecked.problem dey o.anything can happen.

be civilised,if this oil was in the north or west, the situation won't be the same,so what are we saying. nobody likes war.i don't.but when a people are pushed to the wall,it is the result. goodnight guys,i got work to do.
cheers.

paddylo don't change issue with unnecessary comparison.why don't u compare the wealth from the niger delta with the

situation there and then for analogy compare the wealth in ,say,kuwait,with the development there.

there is unfortunate discrepancy. these guys have a right to be upset. when june12 was annulled,the yorubas called for

oduduwa republic.isn't it. just for election annullment. so what are we saying here.

and by the way,i'm not from the niger delta. i have friends from there. i feel them.

panafrica, the real reason for the nigerian killings are not religious.it is due to underlying hatred of one tribe over another.

Seun, u don't seem to appreciate the practical problems on ground in the niger delta

paddy lo,
i used to share ur views about muslims until i came to europe.i have met muslims here.nice citizens.so,it is a problem of naija muslims from the north.some has to be done now.and fast.by the govt.or else,the country is drifting towards the dead end.naija bridge is falling down,LIKE THE FAILED STATE THAT IT IS.

@SEUN
We can't avoid loss of lives on a minor scale when many people who should be in prison are roaming the streets and helping governors to win elections, but full-scale war is out of the question.


IF THESE PEOPLE WERE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN THINKING OF THEIR JOBS,PROMOTION ETC?THOSE GUYS ARE A PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM.PLEASE LET US PRAY FOR THE NATION.OTHERWISE WORSE IS ON THE WAY.

THE LIST IS ENDLESS,I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL.IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING B4 I WAS BORN.SERIAL INJUSTICE.PEOPLE LIKE SEUN APPARENTLY HAVE YET TO FEEL THE PANGS OF INJUSTICE AT POPULATION LEVEL. WHEN U BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT TOILETS,U HAVE UNWITTINGLY TOLD THE OCCUPANTS TO DEFECATE ANYWHERE THEY LIKE. THAT IS WHAT NIGERIA DID WHEN THEY REFUSED TO ACT UPON THESE KILLINGS.THE PEOPLE ARE ACTING FOR THEMSELVES.

A RESPONSIBLE GOVT CAN STOP THIS MESS.ALL IT TAKES IS TO EQUIP THE POLICE TO ARREST THESE PEOPLE ,PROSECUTE THEM,GET THE SPONSORS TOO,AND RE-EDUCATE THE CITIZENS THROUGH GOOD EDUCATION AND ORIENTATION PROGRAMMES,NOT MONEY MAKING VENTURES LIKE MAMSER ETC,BUT U SEE,OUR LEADERS ARE BUSY DISCUSSING 3RD TERM.IF THIS KIND OF THING SHOULD HAPPEN IN EUROPE,SOMEONE WILL LOOSE HIS JOB,BUT IN NAIJA,NOTHING HAPPENS,IT IS FORGOTTEN,END OF STORY.THIS IS THE FALLOUT.

THE GOVT FAILED THE IBOS WE KEPT QUIET,THE GOVT FAILED THE NIGER DELTA WE ARE KEEPING QUIET,WHOSE NEXT.THIS IS A NIGERIAN STRESS.

seun b4 u get ur ass out of here, u should try and understand how people feel.let me give u some data.
1953,ibos attacked in kano over the plan by AG to hold a campagn in kano,
1966,ibo attacked allover the north b/c ironsi wanted to start a unity govt.
1966(july)ibos killed allover the north after the overthrow of ironsi30,000 ibos slaughtered in cold blood
1967-1970 civilians in captured biafran villages massacred by nigerian soldiers
1987,maitasaine riots in the north,ibos victims in maidugiri,gombe,katsina et al,
1991,ibos killed in kano b/c reinhard bonke wanted to organise a crusade in kano,
1991,ibos killed in bauchi b/c a butcher sold pork to a muslim,
2000 ibos killed in kaduna over sharia law
2002,ibos killed in kaduna over miss word contest
the list is endless,in all of these what did the govt do
NOTHING

thanx onanuga.when i came to Wales in september,the 1st friend i made in school is a muslim from pakistan. right now my closest friend in class is a muslim from iran.i told them wt is happening in my country and they marvel. so what we see here is not abou christainity or islam. it is about nigeria. for decades violence in the north against ibos has gone unpunished.do u think it can continue forever?
NOBODY CAN LAY CLAIM TO A MONOPOLY OF VIOLENCE!!!!
Since the govt overlooks this,it kept happening time and again.now we see the effects and somebody says it is senseless.the retaliations are not senseless.2 wrongs don't make a right but in mathematics minus minus equals positive. let the northern rioters think again

who says there is no justification in onitsha killings?what do u understand by justification and who defines what is just.the message is clear,everyone to his tribe, no nation,no peace,no govt, total anarchy. the killings in the north did not start today.it has been there b4 independence.govt did nothing.now the victims are defending themselves,by making a point that no one can lay claim to a monopoly of violence.the seasonal northern killings at the slightest provokation must stop.since govt failed{as usual} then something has to happen.this is it. who says nigeria is not a failed state?

a nation that plays with it's youth plays with it's future. when we have a generation of unemployed youth, crime and agitation is the product. those fools that call themselves leaders don't even admit there is a problem.tell me, brothers, how can it get better? it can only get worse. and they know it. once an idiot gets into power,he 1st thing he does is to open an accout in us and shift his family over there. HEAR ME WELL,CLOSE YOUR EARS IF YOU CAN,NIGERIA IS A FAILED STATE.SHAME!!!

seun who owns the deep waters?

may be when next the northerners want to kill people in the north they will realise that it may reciprocate down south and it may be a way to check that stupidity. so may be the retaliation is not entirely bad news. but may i ask one question,all my life there has always been violence against ibos in the north,has anyone ever heard that someone was prosecuted and jailed/executed for that?i never heard any.so they go unpunished/unchecked and repeat it.nobody talks.if they were prosecuted may be reprisals would not have happened. so the ibos are forced to enforce justice in a system where the govt failed them.hmmn,another evidence that NIGERIA IS A FAILED STATE.worse is yet to come.

ijele u are not alone. the issue in nigeria as on said is not about religion but about great haterd of one tribe by another. there has been demonstration for some weeks against this cartoons but no rioter has attacked non rioters except in nigeria. it is a nigerian issue. it is not about islam or christainity. it is a nigerian problem. may be it is time we split the country into 6 or more countries because it is going to get worse. unless the stupid ledership we have begins to think of nigeria.

seun,ur utterances show that u do not have a grasp of the situation in the niger delta. these people have lived with injustice since 1960. what did u expect?

hunter, u worry about the family of the hostages,fair enough,i do too.but,do u know the number of people who have died in the niger delta due to illness caused by oil pollution and poverty as well as poor health services all a combination of bad govts, political injustice and unfair treatment at a population level. what did u expect? PLEASE CAN WE TELL OURSELVES SOME TRUTH IN THIS COUNTRY? BLAME THE LEADERSHIP FOR ALLOWING THINGS TO GET TO THIS LEVEL.

govt should make frantic efforts to balance this inequality against the niger delta. otherwise it can only get worse. and just to remind the audience, Nigeria is a FAILED STATE.