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kimco: U had provided info that the kyuubi became anorexic, now u're saying it shrunk. So ma guy, what are u even saying? We don't exactly know what made the kyuubi shrink when minato sealed half of it. If it was chakra, then it shud have shrunk when naruto took so much of it's chakra, but it didn't. Instead it became like any other ninja, anorexic.

Ok...you took my word literally and I take full responsibility for that.....but the major fact is when a huge amount of chakra is taking from'em at once it tells on them..and as for Minato part, I'll advice you go watch the anime of that part so you won't try to pick out an unnecessary argument on whether or not it was When Minato did it or not

[quote author=Yoshi-Master]Hehe, didn't stop Giraya, won't stop me either.[/quote]Jiraiya almost got killed for that, Firestar is stronger than Tsunade and I can bet you aint as strong as Jiraiya

[quote author=Yoshi-Master]Boy oh boy! Even a female naruto fan?

I'm in love.[/quote]You better think twice bout where your love is falling to...Firestar here has tripple the strenght and hot temper of Tsunade....dont say you weren't warned ooo

kimco: well no need for plenty talk. Topcy did me the honours, so much more than my partner in crime. Kaycee u have failed me.


So u see wacky, u can't prove that losing chakra made the kyuubi shrink, cos when he actually did lose chakra, he became like the others, anorexic. If chakra determined size, the bijuus would be shrinking everytm they shoot alot of bijuu bombs.

Also, the 1 tale is bigger than the two tails. If the chakra level determined sizes, then we shud have seen it the other way round don't u think (not a strong argument, but the idea is still dere).

#hastalavista baby U have been terminated

Now this is where humans differ from tailed beasts, humans aint made of chakra unlike tailed beasts, sow when they get chakra drained, they either pass out or die(at worst)...but tailed beast, when a huge amount of chakra like the one Naruto dragged from Kyuubi(which you can never compare to bijuu bombs) they shrink cos they are made of chakra...

WackyJ1: Come on, who dash sakura "use her all to aid shikamaru?" Where you see that one? She wanted to do something but it was discovered that naruto's chakra was already working of it's own will to bring shikamaru back which ino confirmed with her jutsu. Nobody said anything because they all knew she didn't do anything, it was even tsunade that even came to deliver the final medicine when she touched shikamaru's forehead.

Sakura still is a waste of good chakra

Enormous liability!!

Welcome back Kim!

Like I said before, 3 different points can be deduced from the 3 instances this jutsu was used

Minato...seal half kyuubi forever

Sarutobi....eternal battle of the souls involved

Orochimaru...jutsu breakable by human sacrifice

Can't believe the chakra of a whole thread could get drained cos one shinobi(Kimco) is out on a mission on to the land of hidden malaria

Kaycee7: * Flexing 16 inch arms and cracking knuckles * Bring it on

YOU do the bringing, you're the plothole finder..

Kaycee7: Watashi no yujin wa, sugu ni yoku e. I'll hold the fort till you get better.

And I'll be around to whoop your arse...

kimco: People i have come down with some malaria so i would be absent for a while. So to those who dnt hear from me for their reply....grimm joe, i'm looking at u....i'll be recovering a bit. Will get back to u asap. Thank u and pray for me.

Don't rush yourself bro cos I'm pretty sure the thread will become slow in progression...get well soon

topcy90: I realizes the argument abt the reaper death seal is becoming intense so let me explain: This seal invokes the powers of the death god
(shinigami). Once called upon, the death god
hovers behind the user and inserts its arm into
their soul. At this stage only the user can see the
death god. To perform the seal the user need
only grasp the target. The death god's arm
extends from their chest and grabs the soul of
the target, immobilizing them and allowing them
to see the death god as well. Soon after the
sealing is completed the death god consumes the
user's soul, sentencing them to an eternity of
battle in its stomach. A swirl-pattern is left on
the stomachs of those that have had something
sealed within them using this jutsu.
The Dead Demon Consuming Seal has served
different purposes during each of its uses:
Minato Namikaze used it to seal the Nine-
Tailed Demon Fox into Naruto Uzumaki. Before
his soul was consumed Minato used the Eight
Trigrams Sealing Styleand Four Symbols Seal
to allow Naruto to tap into the fox's chakra
reserves.
Two shadow clones of Hiruzen Sarutobi sealed
the souls of the Hashirama Senju and Tobirama
Senju into their bodies. In this instance, the
death god consumed the two Hokage's souls in
addition to the souls of the shadow clones.
Hiruzen Sarutobi attempted to seal
Orochimaru's soul into his body, but was too
weak to completely remove it. Instead, Hiruzen
sealed off Orochimaru's arms by having the
death god cut off the arms of Orochimaru's
soul. Doing so left Orochimaru unable to use
his arms to perform jutsu and left him in
terrible pain due tonecrosis of his arms. He was
only able to escape the effects of the seal by
switching to a new body. Now to explain abt how minato was able to enter kyunbi mode was because oro undone the seal, I believe minato had a conversation with the kyunbi and was able to convince it some how to co_operate since they have being fight for a long time before the seal was undone anyway the third learn this jutsu from minato so we can't say wat the third said is absolute OK.

Not completely correct, he used the death god seal to half the kyuubi into himself not Naruto and used the 8 trigram seal to seal the other half into Naruto..

kimco: This ain't suspense dude. Suspense is waiting for sasuke to fight naruto or the chuunin exams. This is a hole (don't wanna say the usal, so hole will do)

Its a mystery...

kimco: orochimaru's findings aren't even the same ball park as the rule pertaining to the sealing. His is to find a weakness to the jutsu, ur claim is to find different rules that involve different types of sealing. Totally different. So pls don't try to put a square peg in a round hole.

What ya mean different types of sealing? Cos everything I enlisted pertains to the death god seal

kimco: Oh tosyn did have to quote all that

Apologies lol

viruz007: Tosyn really? Quoting the whole interview?

#InOtherNews Madara has shown his bully nature again in the anime... Gives the Kages 5 of his clones to each of them and asks if they want it with Susanoo or not? I hate and like this guy...

LOL...I'm sorry...and to think he was chilling with'em while those ones are serious like they are writing their final year exams

Mutaino7: Kishi Interview if your
interested in reading it
Q: When was the first
time you considered
becoming a mangaka,
and why?
Masashi Kishimoto: In
the period between
second and fourth
grade, I was obsessed
with the Dr. Slump anime
and the Dragonball
manga by Akira
Toriyama sensei. I loved
his characters. I was
especially fond of Arale
from Dr. Slump and Goku
from Dragonball. Plus, his
work attracted me.
There was something
about his cartoonish
drawing style that felt
right, more so than
realistic drawings. I told
myself, “I want to be like
Toriyama sensei.”
Q: Where do you get
your inspiration? Do you
listen to music or watch
movies when you are
working?
MK: I have a DVD player
with a small screen on
my desk and I
sometimes watch
movies and listen to
music. I used to do that
more often when
working, but not so
much these days. After
drawing manga for 12
years, I learned that it
does affect my art. For
example, if I was
listening to a song with
sad lyrics, my manga
would begin to reflect
that sadness. And then,
when I look back at the
drawings, something felt
off. Therefore, I decided
to turn off anything that
could affect my art.
But I do love movies and
I get a lot of inspiration
from them. In my free
time, I go to the movie
theater to catch all the
blockbuster hits. I also
look for hard-to-find
movie titles in the stores.
I like to watch epic
trilogies like Star Wars,
horror movies, such as
Vi, romantic movies like
500 Days of Summer,
and classics like The
Sting. My favorite movie
of all time is Akira, but I
love Hollywood movies in
general. My favorite was
How to Train Your
Dragon because the
script was fantastic. As a
fan of the original
comics, I liked Tin Tin. I
thought the movie was
faithful to the comic and
the CGI animation made
it appear more real than
a live-action film.
Q: A mangaka’s schedule
is incredibly exhausting.
What is the secret to
endure so many hours
while maintaining an
incredibly high level of
quality in your work?
MK: The only reason why
I can continue drawing
manga for so long is
because I love to draw
manga. I really feel that
this job is a good match
for me, and it has really
worked. If you weren’t
born with a love for
drawing, it would be
impossible to draw
manga. You want to run
away or have an allergic
reaction or something.
When I was a baby, I
drew on the walls by
impulse, even before I
was able to hold a pen.
So I remembered I
always loved drawing.
Q: You have drawn and
written Naruto for more
than 10 years. Compared
to when you first began,
how do you think you’ve
grown and changed as
an artist and as a
person?
MK: During my career as
mangaka, I got married,
had kids, and became a
father. This directly
influenced the story of
Naruto. From these
experiences, I
discovered the things
that are important in this
world. Being a father
gave me an entirely
different perspective
that I didn’t have when I
was single. Naruto’s
personality represents a
bit of me and a bit of my
son’s. It was after my
children were born that I
wanted to write about
Naruto’s parents. The
way Naruto’s parents felt
about him is very close
to what I feel about my
kids.
But I don’t want to
sound too preachy
because manga should
always be entertaining.
It has to be told from the
child’s point of view.
Even if I die one day, I
want to leave behind a
piece of work that lets
my children understand
what I’ve always wanted
to tell.
Q: Naruto’s history is no
longer a secret and he
knows that his parents
loved him. How will you
keep changing the
perspective of Naruto in
the world and his
relationship to the nine-
tailed fox?
MK: From the start of the
series, Naruto had no
parents and the only
thing he had was the
nine-tailed fox inside
him. He was treated like
a troublemaker or a
loser. He had so much
hatred and anger
toward the world
because he had no
identity. At first, I was
going to draw a short
flashback of Naruto’s
parents, but his parents’
teachings became
essential for Naruto to
be aware of his identity.
Although his parents
were no longer in this
world, they were able to
use their chakra to tell
Naruto how they felt
about him. His parents
sealed the nine-tailed fox
inside him to bring
peace to the world. They
believe in him so
strongly that they think
he will be capable of
handling the
responsibility.
When Naruto found out
the truth, he became
more aware of his
purpose in life. He
realized who he needs
to be and what he has to
do in order to make his
dream come true along
with the hopes of his
parents.
Love is a great thing.
Ever since I became a
father, I sincerely believe
(although, there could be
some exceptions) that all
parents in the world
always love their
children. When children
can truly understand the
love of their parents, it
greatly helps them find
themselves. So I really
wanted to give Naruto
that experience.
Q: Currently, there is a
great, severe war going
on in Naruto with a
multitude of characters
from the past and
present. How do you feel
about the war? And,
what are the challenges
of representing such an
epic event in the manga?
MK: There are many
characters that are
involved in the current
war in the world of
Naruto. I want to pay a
lot of attention to all the
characters while I draw,
but I have to leave out
some points. For the
most part, it is difficult to
judge what stays and
what goes.
Moreover, the war is a
difficult theme to write. I
grew up in Okayama,
which is right next to
Hiroshima. My
grandparents lived
through the horror of
the war and I know
from their stories that
the war was built on the
bitterness of the people.
But you can’t simply look
at our current state and
criticize it as wrong
because every little thing
in our history makes it
so that it leads up to
war, and when it
reaches its limit, it
breaks. So even in the
manga it wouldn't be
credible unless I carefully
elaborate the
background of the war.
Like my grandfather
taught me, I believe that
“war is not the answer”,
but I also understand
that there will always be
war. I feel fortunate
having grown up in a
generation that didn't
live through the war.
However, there are
certain things that only
my generation can tell in
a story and that I can tell
from my own
perspective. Although it
is fiction, I want people
to feel like there is still
hope.
Q: Who are you current
favorite characters?
MK: My favorites are Choji
and Killer Bee.
Q: Then we have to ask
about one of our
favorite characters, Killer
Bee. How did this
character come about?
MK: My former editor
really loves professional
wrestling and wanted a
character like a
professional wrestler. All
of Killer Bee’s
movements are related
to professional wrestling
despite him being a
ninja. He aims to hit, but
does it at any cost. I
wanted to make him an
interesting character
and one of the most
powerful ninjas in the
Naruto world. I have a
hard time writing Killer
Bee’s lines because they
always rhyme. But that is
the person who gave me
his character. Even if it’s
difficult, I will always
challenge myself to make
him a rich character.
Q: What is your feeling
toward Sasuke now that
he has gone through a
drastic change in the
entire series?
MK: Sasuke is always in
the back of my mind.
Naruto and Sasuke
progress as a pair.
Whenever I write about
Naruto, I always have to
think about Sasuke. They
are on opposite sides of
the spectrum, like yin
and yang.
Q: The Akatsuki are one
of the most colorful and
fascinating villains in any
manga. Why make the
Akatsuki? Do you have a
favorite?
MK: Sasuke’s brother,
Itachi, is my favorite.
Akatsuki is a group of
anti-heroes that
confronts the main
characters in Naruto. But
I didn’t want them to
just be villains because I
thought there should be
different reasons as to
why they became
outlaws against society. I
wanted to explore their
origins like I would do
for the heroes.
Q: Which one of your
favorite ninjas would
you bring back to life as
a soldier in Kabuto’s
army?
MK: People brought back
to life by Kabuto through
Edo Tensei are like
zombies, except with a
conscience and their
memories intact from
when they were alive. It
allows the characters
from the past to talk
with the characters from
the present. It’s a fantasy
element in the series.
During the creation of
the war’s history, I
started to think there
must be a reason why
there is war, and I
wanted the characters of
the past to talk about
themselves.
Outside of Kabuto’s
army, Deidara is my
favorite character.
Honestly, I think the Edo
tensei reanimation jutsu
could be done since he
could come back to life
after using his special
power to explode
himself. I love Deidara as
a character.
Q: When people read the
manga, what do you
expect they will take
away from it?
MK: In real life, it’s
difficult for people to
understand each
another for things like
differences in culture or
education. As you grow,
you start to see that
sometimes things in life
don’t go well, but I
created Naruto to tell the
younger generation that
even though there are
difficulties in life, you can
do fine. Besides that, I
prefer to let the public
itself discover what they
can take from Naruto.
Q: Digital manga, like
Shonen Jump Alpha, is
taking off in the United
States. What are your
thoughts on digital
manga?
MK: I think it’s fine, but I
don’t really understand it
yet. There are many
people who use tablet
devices nowadays,
which means it is more
convenient to access and
download the content
you want. In the U.S., the
system of buying and
selling manga is very
different from Japan’s. It
is sometimes difficult for
a library to contain all
physical books on the
shelves. So if going
digital makes manga
more readily available, I
think it's a good thing.
Q: Last, but not least,
what do you want to say
to the fans of Naruto in
the United States?
MK: It’s getting closer to
the culmination of the
series and it’s going to
get very hot from here
on out, so keep
following Naruto until
the end. That would
make me very happy.

Epic Epistle!!!

kimco: *Calls me a narrow minded person, hasn't said anything substantial atall regarding the topic*.

I'm not in the habit of predicting what will happen. I prefer to be surprised.


I pick my arguments well. I must agree i do reach in some of them and i acknowledge them. ironically that chapter orochimaru broke the seal, was one of the best chapters i've read in a while. The execution, explanation, everything was on point. I welcomed it. Don't assume that i would be arguing on that atall.

you say i shudn't assume that there are no additional facts yet u have failed to provide them. If there are additional facts then by the power of kishi, why don't u point them out for me. plus u're also assuming there shud be additional facts. U're equally guilty.


So now wacky, why don't u actually try explaining the main question. Why does minato have a kyuubi mode?

What are these subtle things that actually relate to different rules regarding different types of sealer/sealee situations, since that what u actually want to say? Don't jux say ''they are there''....... point them out and stop beating about the bush.

The answer i gave was just an oppinion not facts. For such a question, all we can do is propound theories and hope someone's make sense. I tried to answer it. It's ur choice to agree with me or offer a better explanation. U're also free to reject it. I'm not forcing u atall.

MINATO IS SEALED AND KYUUBI IS SEALED INSIDE HIM, BUT THEY'RE BOTH VERY MUCH ALIVE BUT CONTAINED, SINCE THE FIGHT WITH KYUUBI IS IN SUBCONSCIOUS, HE HAD AMPLE TIME TO DO THAT BEFORE OROCHIMARU CAME ALONG...

Djtm: I'll love to go with tosyn on this. But this kimco guy is talented, I'm feeling you!

Its far from over though

kimco: wacky what are u talking about. That part of the jutsu that oro made clear was obviously lost to both minato and hiruzen. Evident by their surprise when they were ressurected plus hiruzen exclaiming that his sacrifice was for naught. If they knew about it, it wouldn't have surprised them.....atleast not as much....seeing as it is orochimaru, king genius.

I already said that....given they were still in the belly of the shinigami. This stands made me understand tosyn's forever claim by minato(jux by the way).

His reply isn't apt cos i'm jux relaying facts stated by the author. And yet all u and him are doing is assuminng....as always.

I wanna hear this erroneous stands that i find myself in, as u claim. But Until u can bring concrete facts from the manga, i'll assume that i'm right and u're erroneous. Prove me wrong with the manga.


As for ur other points i'm trying so hard to find what the relevance is. If anything it proves my point that infos are relayed by kishi if there is a need to do so, be them pronounced or subtle, if not, we get to see a repeat of the same thing.
So tell me, to what end were these point made out wacky?
to answer ur question....clones form a part of one soul. It's like having four eyes so that u can look left and right at the same damn tym. It's helps one to multitask at the expense of losing chakra quickly if not properly used.

Minato and Sarutobi didn't know of the seal being breakable, what does that explain, it shows that there COULD be other rules pertaining to this jutsu and these 3 shinobis used the rules in relation to their different situations...

Minato...seal FOREVER and usable for a non jinchuriki

Sarutobi....eternal BATTLE

Orochimaru...BREAKABLE but with human sacrifice

There might be more...

kimco: Then where is kishi's explanation of that rule then. He had the chance to explain it, but he didn't. So the rule stands. Simples

He obviously left it for dudes like us to figure it out, I mean where's the joy without the suspense?

kimco: The fact that there's is a rule.

The sealer and the sealee will fight in a batle that will last for an eternity

The sealer...minato and the sealee, kyuubi shud be in a battle last an eternity, given that they were in the belly of the shinigami.

Minato has kyuubi mode

I don't know why he has kyuubi mode, hence my question.

Tosyn is trying to explain this by assuming there maybe another rule pertaining to shiki fuujin which myt involve humans and non humans (minato vs kyuubi)

I'm saying if there was any rule, kishi would explain it to us through minato, through a thought bubble since, according to tosyn, and i agree,he has no audience. But since he didn't, we can assume that the old rule still stands.

that's it wacky.

The rule Kimco is referring to is the one explained by Sarutobi and I'm trying make Kim realize that rule was used in a different situation cos Sarutobi was dealing with humans while Minato was dealing with a tailed beast..

You forgot the part where I explained that, after the minato's has been sealed, but still in existence, he could have done the taking over at that time....

kimco: first part- I think u have missed the whole point dude.

Second part- like i said, that's what people like obito, madara and even the whole ninja world sees them. However, naruto, bee and the sage of the six paths say they're more than that. the have brains, that's why sharingan works on them. They have meat on them, that's why the twin brothers from the water nation were able to eat off it. They feel pain, that's why when naruto hit it, it shriek in pain and also hachibi was bleeding after recieving beatings. All this points to what kishi is trying to tell us...that they are less of jux chakra and more of humans.

Doesn't make'em human no matter how you choose to glorify them..

kimco: Emmm....i beg to differ. Sarutobi was the first we saw use the technique, minato using the technique came years later. kishi didn't let minato do any talking cos sarutobi already did it. Why explain something thats already explained, unless there a new rule u want to add. Eg new level of edo tensei for kabuto and then later, orochimaru's. if minato said nothing then, it means kishi is still sticking to the old rules he gave us. Plus even tho minato's fight was recent. It was actually older than sarutobi's. It would be improper for him to release new info when the student he taught (a previous hokage, mind u, a prof) didn't even know about it.

That aint reason enough either cos unlike Sarutobi who had an audience(Orochimaru) to explain things to, Minato had no one cos Kushina prolly knew more about the jutsu than himself, that's why he didn't need to explain the jutsu which makes your idea of Kishi not needing to explain so as to avoid repetition rather shaky...

Which makes my view of the jutsu having more than rule stand..

kimco: Okay guys i was jux chilling in my crib when this came into my head. kishi, through his rich cultural history creation in naruto (the ninja world, the war, bla bla) has made for himself an opportunity to write a whole new manga solely aba the beggining of the ninja world in naruto. It'll begin with the sage's mother....and prolly end at naruto's birth. What do u guys think. So much material there to deliver.

Uhmmm...#caressesinvisiblebeard#.....a Smallville kinda thing?

He should do that like 2 years after we are done with this one...by that time people woulda missed Naruto like madt!

kimco: But that one rule is what we've got. We can make up theories on what it COULD mean, but still wont beat what IS.

And yes, it suits my argument, why do u think i began the argument in the first place. I knew it would suit me. Hence my cry for kishi's explanation to this hole that i don't understand.

That aint good enough cos the first to use the jutsu and teach it to Sarutobi didn't talk say anything about that rule, so it can be deduced that he didn't cos it doesn't pertain to the situation at hand...

kimco: Okay guys i was jux chilling in my crib when this came into my head. kishi, through his rich cultural history creation in naruto (the ninja world, the war, bla bla) has made for himself an opportunity to write a whole new manga solely aba the beggining of the ninja world in naruto. It'll begin with the sage's mother....and prolly end at naruto's birth. What do u guys think. So much material there to deliver.

Uhmmm...#caressesinvisiblebeard#.....a Smallville kinda thing?

He should do that like 2 years after we are done with this one...by that time people woulda missed Naruto like madt!

Djtm: ehm guys, what's up with Lee? has he surpassed Gai?

Ehm..maybe after the war lol

kimco: Damn man, u most def used my words against me in a very clever way. I can try to spin this buh it wont be same. Btw now i get ur forever statement. making similar argument can teach u a thing or two.

Okay in my defence...i wasn't really hang up on the forever statement cos it didn't bother me that much.

however the point still stands. Let's works with it until proven otherwise.

I gave u a like for a outwitting me at my own game.

Thanks..

Please where's the joy in a thread that grows one page in one week? I thought these thread was created to straighten things out which include ARGUMENTS....

pickabeau1: bros nobody say make u do ghostmode like me

I checked the manga and u were right

But i dont know when he signed the contract with the hawks


https://i31.mangapanda.com/naruto/477/naruto-1100457.jpg

Obito's words..."Oh a NEW SUMMON"...that I think means a shinobi can make more than animal contract..

panaroma: kakashi to deal the final blow

Ehn..God forbid!!!

Or should I say ...Kishi forbid!!!