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kimco: Eternal battle, people, battle that's supposed to last for eternity.

Minato said forever and you assume he's wrong cos Orochimaru broke it...not you've been carrying Sarutobi's word of 'eternity' about and you aint assuming he too doesn't know what he's saying...that aint objective..

kimco: Look at u, it didn't shrink in the manga. Simple as that. I tot it was already noted to use the manga for these things. Anime is non canon.

Plus let's even say it did shrink. does it mean it only chakra? Let's look at juugo's case for a minute here. He transformed his chakra into flesh for sasuke and he became a little boy. Is he chakra only too?

And oh, where did the kyuubi grow in size again, when was the measurement taken? U can't assume that it was due to the chakra taken that the kyuubi shrunk in size. Cud be that it was the yang part of him taken that's why. We don't know that @ wacky (i'm arguing on ur terms now)

Dude...how would you know he shrunk in size in a manga that's black and white? Even after Naruto took his chakra and attained ckakra mode, Kyuubi emaciated..

kimco: What makes me think it's only one rule? How aba the fact that it has had that one rule explained. U'd think if there was more, it would be explained. But since there was no need, kishi didn't do it.

What u're doing is serious damage control. U're seriously stretching and assuming alot which is only gud for anime filler.

even the fact that u're passing things out like it's fact with words like ''u shud know'' is quite something.

All I'm tryna pass across is that you are placing the argument on just one rule, whereas there could be more that pertains to it and on another circumstance that, Iand I think its cos that particular rule and circumstance suits youyr argument..

kimco: U asked whether they can be liken to souls with my points...i said yes, later editted to yes, in relation to shiki fuujin.

In relation to hiki fuujin....meaning shiki fuujin transforms chakra to souls or what?

kimco: Wacky that's a gud theory,even if it were accurate, it's besides the point,

with shiki fuujin, the law states that the sealer and sealee would engage in a battle for eternity. minato, sealer, kyuubi, sealee, kyuubi ain't jux chakraa, it's actually alive, made so by the sage's rinnegan, going by u. It got split and half of it got sealed into the death god. The other into a baby. U remember muu, his half was sealed remember? (that is jux an eg).

The kyuubi is alive and according to the rules shud be in a fight with minato in the belly of the eddy god. If u he isn't a traditional soul, according to tosyn, then he shud have returned to his other half like oro's hands returned to him. And whi said it is only used for sealing souls? It's a sealing technique. Simple. Sealer and sealee fight for eternity. Simple. They are living things that have a conscience like every other ninja out there. They are jux angry and full of hatred cos the world sees them as jux chakra to be harnested for power for war. however we look at it, minato has no biznez obtaining kyuubi mode.

Damn it now that i look at my post, it may be a bit ehhhh. But i hope u get it.

Now what makes you think there's only one rule that pertains to the death god seal?

Sarutobi probably said what pertains to his situation at that time(the eternal battle) while Minato said his(splitting of chakra in half and sealing it forever)...you should know that there might even be other rules that pertains to it and dont just assume that what Sarutobi said is final...

From the look of things we've seen that there are more than 2 rules on ground that pertains to the death god seal.

kimco: Tosyn, i have stated and stated and stated. U have asked a question i have answered. U don't like it, what again do u want me to do. If anyone is out of points, it really u. Even assuming that a little baby has enuff chakra to withstand half a kyuubi when a full grown man even complained. U rly have lost ur touch man.

A full grown man outta chakra? And besides the strenght of the seals used also pay a good role on that....

kimco: Tosyn, i have stated and stated and stated. U have asked a question i have answered. U don't like it, what again do u want me to do. If anyone is out of points, it really u. Even assuming that a little baby has enuff chakra to withstand half a kyuubi when a full grown man even complained. U rly have lost ur touch man.

But I asked you whether or not tailed beast have souls, I didn't see your answer?

pickabeau1: Na today I dey this thread?!

Abegiiiii

Una too like to dey argue.... Moreover una point no clear..


Let's see what sasuto can do against juubito..

15 minutes

We all know good will probably beat evil, we are just waiting to see how it unfolds..

kimco: Yes. Thank u for ur tym.

Just admit you're outta points..

kimco: so is the half kyuubi part of anoda living thing. The kyuubi isn't jux chakra it is a living thing as well. A living thing that has a lot of chakra. 8tails run out of chakra against kisame, did u see it shrink or go out? If it was jux chakra that's what you'd expect, but no that didn't happen. But if u want to go on saying that jux answer the question u've been avoiding. Which chakra u know has the characteristic of a human or a living thing like the bijuus?

Second part is very correct. Thanks for u correction. I would've given u a like if the top comment didn't come with it.

To answer your question...NONE, so answer mine...is that enough reason to compare it with a human soul?

kimco: Baby naruto did it with no problems...come again

(I'm using ur argument against u)

Cause he's a baby doesn't mean he doesn't have chakra..

pickabeau1: As is usual on the naruto forum..
We don't know why you guys are arguing or what the point is

I advise you return to your #ghostmode# cause its obvious you didn't check previous threads and just bumped in..

jidesp: Tosyn, You'd have to read about buying a Franchise. We've seen franchise like KFC in Nigeria, and as far as we know, the structure, colors, mission statement are the same, but the services are different. They have similar services like Chicken and Chips, burgers and so on, but some KFC franchis in other countries don't sell rice. Case Study is KFC in South Africa, they sell this their native food Chakalaka or so. My point is, Franchisor (Kishi owns the overall rights and trademarks of the Naruto brand and allows its franchisees (Movie/Anime) to use these rights and trademarks to do produce the Movie and Anime).

When you acquire a franchise like Naruto, there is always a model in place i.e (this includes basic components and functions of the Naruto Story). So as long as you follow the basic components and functions, you can decides what follows afterwards but not contradict the original message of the story.

To further make you understand my point, the way KFC in South Africa would handle their marketing is different from the way Nigerian KFC would handle theirs because they all have different target audience..


Tosyn007, if this doesn't correct your impression, I will down personally to wherever you are and tie you down. LOL

White Flag..Lol

kimco: U misunderstand me wacky. If what u say is true, why then did orochimaru's arm soul return to him yet the half kyuubi remained in minato? Anyways Let's take a looky here shall we.

Facts to consider:

1. minato learnt a lot from the uzimaki clan who were noted for all kinds of sealing techs

2. Kinjutsu: shikifuujin is a master sealing justu which takes the sealers life along with the sealee, allowing them to engage in an eternity of battles.

3. Kushina was gonna do that to the kyuubi sealing the entire thing forever, or so she thought.

4. Minato offers to seal both their chakra in naruto plus half the kyuubi chakra, while sealing the other half in himself. kushina was gonna die anyways, she was fatally wounded.

5. According to bee's statement, yes it is prudent to assume that other techs were used for the other jinchurikis.

Implications

It is better to assume that Shiki fuujin couldn't have been the jutsu used to seal the kyuubi into naruto, since it would've killed naruto as well, on both occasions we've seen it at work, the sealers' bodies were used as the containers for the sealing. It is better to assume that the shikifuujin was what he used to seal half the kyuubi chakra into himself which he thought would be forever and used the other sealing tech to seal the other half PLUS his and kushina's chakra into naruto.

Next.....

Oro's hand is a part of a human body, while the kyuubi is a chakra;

You're wrong on the kushina part, she was planning to seal the kyuubi back in herself and then die but not with the death god seal, it was why Minato said "since I'm not a jinchuriki, the technique I can use is the death god seal"..

kimco: Sorry that's a lie. He had enuff to store his and kushina's chakra in naruto.

And how much do you think is needed for that compared to the one required to suppress the kyuubi?

Kaycee7: Itachi summons crows not hawks and summons aren't inherited. Otherwise Naruto woulda been able to summon toads from day one. Try again

Big oops..

Now on these Sasuke's dual summoning ish, Sasuke at a point trained with Orochimaru and later got his powers, during his fight with Itachi san, Itachi transferred his powers into him..so why is it strange that he can summon both of his mentors' summoning?

kimco: So ur severed hands have soul in them?

Secondly, the eddy god jutsu isn't the jutsu used to make one into a jinchuriki. He sealed it to die. He even said the chakra he had sealed was so much to handle his body had gone numb, yet naruto, a baby handled it quite simple. does that sound like a jinchuriki sealing method to u? Pls don't be kidding me with that. I won't even go on with this forever thing cos u're not ready to see past ur subjective views (sometyms i'm guilty as well, who isn't)

Gud yo know u don't like kishi, tell me why tho?

You seem to forget that he was more or less outta chakra before he did what he did eh?

WackyJ1: Kimco, is there anything that is sealed to die in the naruto world?
Is sealing not a form of containment? Where the thing sealed is contained within that which it is sealed into?

Besides the way you're saying that the Death God jutsu is not a jutsu is not a Jinchuriki sealing jutsu, you're sounding like you know all the jutsus that are used to seal Jinchurikis, Even bee Said that the one used for him was different and less powerful than the one used for naruto.. And i'm assuming that the jutsus used for sealing all the different tailed beasts is different for each... So you cannot extensively know all the possible sealing jutsus

Thanks Wacky..

To answer y'all tryna say movies aint a part of the main ish, first its the same title, same characters and voices, same jutsus, it'll be fruitless convincing me...unless I see an official statement from kishi stating otherwise cos I believe he knows and has certified all this..

kimco: It has no soul? really? That is a huge assumption. Even oro's hand has it own soul. U better come better than that dude.

As for the second...ur subjective explanations mean nothing. Forever means forever. If i die, i die ''forever'', nobody can change that. He didn't think there was a way to free them. Oro proved him wrong by extensive research. Tosyn u're trying too hard these days...do u really have to jump into the defence force for kishi?

Oro's hand is a human body...and it seems you forgot the same the main reason why Minato did this, he used the technique has a medium to make himself a jinchuriki, and when he gets sealed, he gets sealed with the kyuubi.

Don't try turning this 'forever' thing to an issue, he knows what he's saying, he knew the kyuubi won't have a means of escaping is why he said that. Naruto's mom was of the idea that if she resealed the kyuubi in herself and died, the kyuubi will die with her but minato said if she dies the kyuubi will be unleashed(that's another instance to show that you saying he knows little or nothing about the kyuubi is wrong)..so the best solution is to seal the kyuubi in himself but if he had used other sealing techniques, it would have sealed the whole kyuubi inside him and he won't be able to suppress it cos of his low chakra and he aint a jinchuriki. So he decided to use the reaper seal to split it in two, seal one in himself and the other in Naruto.

Why should I defend someone I don't even like, I'm just tryna tell you not to be narrow minded..

rapmike: Great. Jst Great. If we dnt tel u d reason,u wil say we did nt ansa u. Sm1 kindly told u nw, u r turning it up and down. ANSWER MY QUESTION, DOES KISHI OWNS TVTOKYO?

I know not..but lemme ask you, doesn't kishi know about every story in the Shippuden movies? And would you just stand by and watch other people contradict your principle?

I see movies as fillers in the animes..

kimco: Dude what are u saying? he didn't even explain the jutsu, there was no need to do so....Why, u ask? Oh i dnt know....maybe cos sarutobi already did that, repeating it would be useless. The redundancy i was on about is the fact that what he thought of the kyuubi isn't important because that was how the world at the tym saw the bijuus. Some years down the line, kishi tells us that these guys aren't jux chakras but are more like humans. Minato said he has sealed half the kyuubi, not half chakra. The thing is still alive. It is a sealee, and minato is a sealer. They must have been engage in a forerver battle. Simple as that. Him being a hokage has absolutely nothing to do with knowing the kyuubi inside out, why u'd even consider that is a mystery to me. is he supposed to know everything, things the whole ninja world have misundertood, ones b4 him?

Simply put, he wasn't wrong aba the jutsu, he didn't even talk much aba it. Cos sarutobi already made us aware of the details.

Plus a jux word on the side, he was wrong about sealing it forever...using ur info that is, orochimaru taught us that.

No matter how alive it is, it can never be human its souless and if he wasn't worng about the jutsu, why are you contradicting the part he said he'll seal the kyuubi inside himself forever?

Forever meant no way for either of them to escape by themselves, wouldn't it have been forever if Orochimaru hadn't intervened, that doesn't mean he's wrong dude..

kimco: Then let me re-calibrate the question. Since sage mode is the only thing that can hurt him now and naruto's rasengan seem to have done some damage, how come, arguably, the more powerful jutsu was tossed aside like a rag doll?

Oh that's what you meant...

Hashirama is still very busy with Madara and Madara surely won't let him leave

And do you think Jubito would be dumb enough to let that kinda thing work against him a second time? Besides, you'll notice his defense against sage technniques are becoming stronger..

pickabeau1: Dude..


You guys are the one being illogical

You are making assumptions

All I asked is has hashirama used senjutsu

You don't have any evidence yet you just believe it


Just like you lot believed since obito had lost to kakashi as kids. The man who stood toe to toe with minato would still lose

Have you fogetten the motto is ghostmode

Too many arzse-ssumptions

Now you saying all of us made that kinda assumption is pure illogical assumption.

Now before I assume that you are just tryna become controversial, lemme ask you: do you read manga? If you do, check this link and tell me what you see...narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/621/10

In the previous page of that manga, Hashirama stood still with his palms together like Jiraiya against Pain which means he was trying to gather nature energy while talking to Madara

jidesp: Nope, not the same people. The movie is a different franchise produced by a different entity, which deviates from the original story. The Anime is also another franchise as well produced by a different company, but it follows the original story, and the anime also subjects theories that would be a waste of page if added in the manga.

Perhaps...but everything would have gone through Kishi(the originator), who must have given the go ahead..or is it not under the same Naruto Shippuden? Its just like saying the branch of a company isn't part of a company.

rapmike: Guy, u cant use the bolded to argue here, we are basing our arguments on the manga and anime, not on the movies

Omo see requirements ooo...is it not the same people that created, produced and design the same anime?

pickabeau1: Thanks for your response

Surprised that wacky calls this mundane
You guys make judgements based on baseless assumptions

Its cos you've simply been illogical, at one point, you see someone with a clear face, next thing his face is painted and then the next thing he mentioned is Senpou with means sage art. How can one use sage techniques without mastering sage mode?

rapmike: Who is NI?
Then he answerd u, u did nt read it,so i suggest u check his previous posts.

Check well bro, he didn't, he replied with a question. Ni is in one of the shippuden movies...you could google the name or better still google the word 'kuchiyose'

pickabeau1: Frankly I don't know what the issue is now


But I asked a question earlier

It is assumed hashirama senju is a sage

Is this so?

He is a sage!

kimco: look at this way...minato must have tot sarutobi everything he knows aba the jutsu inside out. A ninja like sarutobi, a professor, wouldn't make mistakes such as these.

What minato said aba the jutsu was his then knowledge about the kyuubi. What he knew aba the kyuubi was that it was a mass of chakra full of hatred nothing about the technique itself, not necessary for him to do so cos sarutobi has already explained it to us. Later in the same manga, kishi through naruto and even the kyuubi itself have made that clear (refer to the baby bijuus flashback)that the rhetoric about them was wrong. And that they were jux like them. i hope that's clear.

Again conclusion: they are the same. So i ask u again....what chakra do u see with the same characteristics of the bijuus. Why are u avoiding the question. Even oro's hand came back, why is the kyuubi still trapped? (not to be a full argument, jux a supporting point)

So if i say redundant, i mean

A shinobi who became Hokage wouldn't know the details of a tailed beast? Aba Kimco, someone who spent his life with the Uzumaki clan that are experts in all sortsa sealing techniques won't know what the death god seal entails? If he was wrong about his analysis, how come he was successful in sealing part of the kyuubi inside himself?

He said he'll use the reaper death seal to seal the other half of the kyuubi inside himself forever and you are now saying what he said is wrong...na wa o

Saying Minato doesn't know what he's doing is really absurd..

rapmike: Guy,u fall my hand here. Kimco is asking 4 a shinobi who summond more dan 1 animal based on scrolls alone,nt based on doujutsu. Pain used d rinnegan nw,try 2 undastand a question b4 attacking it.

And NI? I asked him if there is any law that states a shinobi must have only one animal to summon..he didn't reply..could you help him with that?