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It appears that investing in people does pay as Jubito now realizes. His pseudo-fantasy is seemingly returning to default. And... are Madara and Hashirama still playing hopscotch?

Now that's a problem, attention has shifted completely away from Madara and even Hashirama is focused on cutting down the mighty iroko. So now Madara has all the time to come up with takeover plan(s)m

This one wey all of una dey claim Susano'o....hmmmmm

Naruto uses clones cos he learn to do it with clones but he does them with hand once in a while, or when he's enhanced like in sage mode or other modes, when he smashed that Pain that wanted to attack Tsunade with rasengan, he musta used one hand cos he couldn't make a clone at that time.

But when came Obito came to see him in the land of iron, he used a clone to make the rasengan, so the bottom line is his first instinct is to use clone to make it, but when it boils down to using one hand, he gat no probs with that too.

kimco: Close, but naruto can use one hand for the normal rasengan. However this is oedama, and while he can most def use one hand for it, i question the ability of his friends to handle both the kyuubi power and the oedama. U can't jux start letting people handle foreign power. But what do i know.

These aint people, they are shinobis, Rasengan aint foreign to them bro, they've had access to Kyuubi's chakra for a while now, so what the heck?

kimco: So hard, u're trying sooooo hard to disprove that konohamaru is a genius of a ninja. If the way he dealt with the pain path didn't convince u, writing an essay wouldn't do anything for u either. Think what u must.

The planetary rasengan and what not, i didn't give a hoot about. U know why, cos they are nonsense power ups that would never get used again. Jux like his yellow flash-like speed in deflecting bijuu bombs and evading the raikage.

If i say i'll complain on a massive scale u guys can't accomodate me.

Bring up your hate, we'll help take them

kimco: Oedama rasengan....bigger version of rasengan. but i dnt think i can make myself any more clear.

So you're saying Oedama rasengan is heavy or what? No matter the danger in wielding it, they have his chakra has protection...

As for his non-usage of clones, it might be for this reasons:

Clones are good but can never be as effective as humans, secondly, it doesnt want it to be as if he's taking all the glory when he there's the opportunity to call upon his friends to help share in the victory..Naruto is a "bond' kinda dude remember?

kimco: Every single bit of it. Everything. From the power sharing thru the non logical reasoning behind the sharing as compared to using clones (for a ninja naruto is pretty stupid, even more stupid than normal, that wasn't a sensible move atall), the reason they easily achieved the bijuu mode (not cloak mode, bijuu mode) wirelessly spinning oedama rasengans (how fucking skilled has he gotten in a day with a newly acquired power, in 10 days he'll be destroying planets, i mean he jux learnt to use one hand to spin rasengan, how did he go from there to wifi rasengan now) to why obito cudn't have evaded or absorb that attack atall (ur sharingan and rinnegan aren't for show). But who am i, i'm nt the writer, what he wants he can do.

Do you guys forget, these customes are made from their different chakra modes? Obito, Naruto, Rikudo Sennin, etc...so you expect them to submerge themselves inside that kinda chakra and come out the same? Enter gutter and see you come out clean, enter volcano and come out the same way..Obito couldn't escape cos he was distracted imagining sweet things that i don't know how they came to be yet..as for the rasengan, I'm cool with it, as long as they didn't make it themselves, Rasengan is raw chakra not adding any element so they simply have to hold it, aim and fire...

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Naruto's Talk no jutsu is at it again is what is happening I do not want redemption for Obito.Am still recovering from this Orochi's new found decency I sincerely hope orochi's still has motive for his actions .[/quote]Jubito has actually been doing most of the talking, you guys seem to forget that Naruto's action and emotion is what really drive people to notice him and not just his talks, most times his talks are more of answers to the question of why his attitude is unique...Check Pain vs. Naruto, check Gaara vs Naruto, check Sasuke vs. Naruto..etc

If Kakashi was somewhat involved in what obito was seeing, that's alright then...cos that made him lose focus, K-man indirect involvement is cool

My beef aint with the sharing and all, but Obito imagining sweet things? Aaaargghhhh

I thought I was the only one sipping Hennessy yesterday, I didn't know Kishi joined me...Kishi killed it...why is it always difficult to give epic endings to epic stories?

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Sometimes I wonder if the hyugga and the uchiha inbreeds to keep the bloodline pure ? We haven't seen sasgay mother but I think she has sharigan too I think the same holds for the hyugga tribe since they are very secretive[/quote]If they don't, some of their children might not be born with sharingan

kimco: IN CAPITALS

Susano'o aint a summon,

You don't make handseals nor gather chakra for them

Summoning go back to their dimensions after they get hurt like a shadow clone but Susano'o stays with you till you will it to go off or they get completely drained

If Susano'o aint of the users chakra! Why didn't Sasuke compalin of his whole body in pain?

[quote author=kimco][/quote]You're utterly reaching meeen....sorry I can't deactivate my sleep mode,,later!

Feraz: How??


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Where is ikeking, Parnassus, Iyke Namikaze?

Madara collected his MS didn't he?

Feraz: Tobirama and Izuna

But Izuna is blind

WackyJ1: Let me give some Naruto Education

The Hiraishin Mawashi no Jutsu is a technique that allows a Hirashin user ton exchange places with another Hirashin user. Now if Tobirama was the one who invented the technique and there is no record of another Hirashin user in the manga before minato, How did the 4th invent that technique?


(Damn as i was typing the question i already came up with the answer). anyway the Question above is for KImco alone

I think I know the answer...

WackyJ1: Tobirama has had under his command exceptional Uchihas, Tobirama was the commanding officer of Shisui Uchiha's father, Kagami Uchiha back from where Uchiha full everywhere. How did he know that Uchiha's went berserk from hate? Do you know how many times they would have called him to contain mad uchihas that others couldn't?
Tobirama was the one that provided the direct biological link between hatred and how the mangeykyo is formed and the consequent increase in Chakra, Now looking at what you've seen from orochimaru, how many uchihas would he have studied to get that info? Nothing new under the sun oh.
Tobirama is a non Uchiha, uchiha expert

Something like an anti uchiha, well I'm beginning to agree..

[quote author=kimco][/quote]You seem to derive pleasure twisting theories, Samehada's a chakra sword, remember Kisame got that sword from someone else so the ish this sword is able to recognize your chakra nature and adapt to it, its why it was created, so it aint supposed to be something alien to it..

Dude, if chakra just heal, then there won't be need for medic nins, would it, Tsunade wasn't sharing chakra to them cos they are out of chakra, she was using Katsuyu as a medium to heal them and not basically cos they are out of chakra.

kimco: I don't think itachi is farther. Atleast they're on par. Tobirama however has battle experience with multiple uchihas who were much more ruthless in battle. Senju takes this.

Perhaps, but itachi is not an ordinary Uchiha like Tobirama has faced, and Sasuke can give support in any way necessary...

Feraz: Thank you. Even Izuna's MS couldn't read Tobirama's teleportation technique that enabled him slash Izuna who died as a result of that unseen attack. Tobirama, the creator of the Kage Bunshin will make another clone of himself to take on Sasuke while the real one faces Itachi.
Tosyn007, while I appreciate your opinion, Tobirama in my own opinion is way smarter than Itachi.
I just hope Kishi can show how good his battles were and how he fought the gold and silver brothers. This is one battle I'm eager to watch/read.

I didn't get to see the Izuna vs Tobirama fight, if that's what happened, I might wanna have a change of heart.

Feraz: Actually, people are underestimating Tobirama here. Even Hashirama took on Madara and the kyuubi without help from anyone. Tobirama's analytical skills are freaking good. Someone who fought the gold and silver brothers. The only person who will give him serious problem is Itachi.

We know Hashirama will beat Madara but its gonna take a whole lotta time, time enough for Itachi and Sasuke to pair up and knock Tobirama down, Tobirama is smart but Itachi is father and Sasuke too can by cocky..


Why not add Tsunade to the mix since she's Senju?

WackyJ1: It's a combination jutsu and it is not surprising seeing that
1. Naruto has shown his prowess in transforming Bijuu chakra into many other people's nature types
2. Sasuke has also shown to be able to adjust his chakra to naruto's techniques
You really need to stop seein the Bijuu mode and Susanoo had separate techniques, they might be techniques on a class of their own but they are still composed of the users chakra


You are also assuming, Where is the proof that samehada didn't quickly convert the chakra to Bee's type? How long does it even take? besides i'd like to believe that just like Karen, samehada as a sword is meant to take chakra from all people and also give sorta like a universal donor thing unlike Bijuu chakra which is not meant to be shared randomly


I don't even agree that it is tusnade's ability, remmember that we have never see tsunade transmit chkra to someone directly instead all we have seen is her using The Slug as a third party medium and can you honestly say that the slug would not have the time with all it's pieces to conform it to the person's type?


Was it Hachibi or Kyuubi? KImc do you read the manga??

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Well laid down...kudos

I imagine you taking a very kong sigh after this

kimco: 1. Acknowledged. so what do u think about sasuke and naruto's aparent half kyuubi half susanoo combo?.

2. u're doing it again, u're assuming. Samehada refueled killer bee the moment it touched him. u think it has tym to start analysing his chakra type and refine it for him? Plssss.

3. It her ability, still doesn't stop the fact that it chakra she's giving out. tsunade shares chakra too, to the whole village actually, u think she has tym to be refining chakra to fit a whole villages' chakra type? C'mon man.

4. not only kyuubi, hachibi too. Remember when hachibi gave kakashi chakra and then pushed him into obito's transportation jutsu? i guess he also refined it to kakashi's nature. Thing is, kishi is feeding us bs jux to make naruto look super good, his mistake was that he didn't think they'd be incoherent infos. He's slacking off big tym.

I'm not claiming plot no jutsu. I'm jux complaining aba the apparent combo. However i did also suggest that it cud be jux symbolic of their resolve. But if it turns out as a combo, that would be quite bad on kishi's part.

Its a combo jutsu, nothing more nothing less, they're both natural pairs

The chakra Samehada took is the same he's giving back and besides its the only time we've seen it give chakra and he's returning them to the same person he took them from within a short time..

Tsunade was sharing her chakra to heal the wounded not give them chakra, its not the same thing.

I need references for the Hachibi part...

You see am also thinking the same thing you're thinking, I only don't like it to be combo cos I don't like Sasuke not cos of any other thing..

kimco: Senju wins.

Senju loses

kimco: i want u to deal with the matter at hand. putting naruto's combo with minato and his combo with sasuke is kind of shoddy(pardon my language)

U don't see me question every other combo do u?

U can't say because gaara was able to conveniently combine his father's gold sand means every other combo shud jux happen like that. It's not a gud argument. That's what i mean. Please let's stay on topic.

So i read ur link and i have one question: how did it help those who shared the chakra with naruto aside the fact that they had more chakra, were protected by it from external harm etc. If kishi is saying that naruto had to refine the chakra to meet every single person's nature (absolutely outrageous props btw) then how come samehada cud jux give chakra to whoever it desired and also the uzimaki girl cud share chakra with sasuke not worrying aba the chakra nature. Why were others able to drain chakra without any worry of it's nature? These are all Incoherent infos. But i want u to try answering this for me.

You missed my point dude, I gave those instances as proof that you don't need training to for every combo or power up, I'm not putting any combo side by side with any other, don't misinterpret me..

Now to your questions, Samehada: the sword must have drained every chakra element and must have them in store cos you can't say Kisame uses everything to fight, so it just needs to recognize the chakra nature of it client and give him/her what he/she needs

Karin: her case is simple, its her ability, which is why Orochimaru wanted someone like her with him, she's also a medic nin

This tailed beast also have unique abilities, and Kyuubi's is its ability to transfer chakra.

List those you refer to as 'others able to drain chakra' and I'm sure each of them has his/her reason

kimco: It was the ying and yang chakra of the same being dude, there is no team work to be had here, and it is a chakra combination that allowed it to happen.

Shinshin and sage mode chakra are what? A combo, sure, what kind however....is the question. Move naruto over to a spot so he can hit obito with a rasengan. If obito was weak against kunai, and only kiba had a kunai, all it'll take is to teleport him at a high speed to jux hit him. That is nothing like a combination of susanoo and kyuubi ryt now. C'mon tosyn. U can't jux throw away the word ''combo'' and generalise it to fit ur argument. Thats not gud.

And what refinement are u talking about sir, he jux distributed kyuubi chakra to them. Chakra is chakra, there is no refinement to be had anywhere.

Unless u're nt making urslef clear for me to understand u tosyn i think u're not providing a good argument atall. Ur last one that had three likes had some potential to it. This one is very poor.

We aint talking about kinds of combo jutsus, we are talking about what combo jutsu is and what its not, remember you were saying this was a "convenient power-up" till I was able to convince you, now you've re-termed it "seamless combo.

Well follow this link and I hope you get to understand me after checking it out...http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/617/5

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WackyJ1: I love this. This is why tosyn is in my Ichizoku....


The first part isn't but the second part if obito Should team up with naruto and sasuke will be declared azzpull

Thanks bro

kimco: What da hell dude.it's not the same. Naruto and his father combined chakra cos their chakra is the same (kyuubi). Naruto combined with tobirama? Where did that happen. Oh u mean tobirama using the transportation jutsu to send naruto behind obito? That's a combo? I didn't even know dat was the same as what naruto is doing with sasuke. Like i already said, if it was hand to hand combat i would agree that they still were compatible. the only jutsu that was familiar to each other was chidori and rasengan. Aside from that, every other jutsu was different. If bonding was all it took for them to seemlessly combine attacks then konaha shud have an academy of bond creation, so much better and less tym consuming than normal training, i mean look at what it has created, two wonderful ninjas dat can combine any of their attacks no problem.... come again please.

I wasn't refeering to their chakra combination, I was talking about their combination to teleport the whole alliance outta that barrier, Shushin and sage mode rasengan is a jutsu combo dude, same as what is happening now.

The chakra Naruto passed to all of the shinobis was refined to fit their chakra nature remember? How difficult will it be to have it refined to fit Sasuke's susano'o?

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