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tbaba1234:
emmm ::: a muslim willing to engage intellectually with those with genuine questions?

sorry, never heard of you before, that's all.

i dont usually frequent this place so much.

tbaba1234:
I haven't read it, a children fantasy book, i see,

yes, you could call it that, i suppose.

^^got it.

there are two threads?

anyway, my question is i'd like to have some muslim commentary about the book the horse and his boy by c s lewis.

ie assuming anyone read it.

non-theological responses plz- just personal thoughts about the subject.

anyway, my question is i've never seen a muslim comment on the book the horse and his boy by c s lewis,

has anyone here read it and what's your opinion about it if so.

who is tbaba1234?

kufr of course must mean kafir [disbeliever].

# 4 which is desire, means what exactly.

let's speak in plain language, not coded ones.

pardon my presence on the thread since i'm not a muslim and the thread title says islamic quiz.

a lot of people are looking for ways to reach this couple, but it seems there arent a lot of avenues to contact them.


no one seems to know how to go about it.

^^is that what passes for yoruba where you come from in some muddy swamp deep in central africa?

also @ joagbaje

why havent you joined in the discussion on yoruba art in culture section.

you must have taken some classes in art history, right?

does the subject matter go against your religious beliefs?

just curious.

i'm assuming you're yoruba.

em, i.diots should not get on my nerves plz.

i'll post what i like, when i like.

you have the freedom to NOT read my posts and neither is it a must to comment.

if your brain gets too irritated then start a useless thread to discuss useless things you find interesting.




END OF!!!!!

bunch of asss licking twats!!!

comparison with opa oranyan:

ancient nabta sundial [located south of egypt or libya in the sahara desert]:

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/1499528156_667f20dafe.jpg

i suspect the small stones in the round circle are a modern rearrangement.





[img]http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/9804/nabta_uc_big.jpg[/img]

With our non-written traditions, we cannot definitively state what the Opa Oraniyan was built or not built for

our traditions rely on symbols rather than writing.

so the symbols are what need to be deciphered, and this is very hard.

lakal:
You have to remember that the authors of that text compared the Opa Oranmiyan to very similar shapes found elsewhere in Ile-Ife. There are smaller stone conical shapes found at places like Ogun Oke Mogun, used in Ogun worship. Even the conical shape is found in certain Ife terracottas, such as this one.

[img]http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/africa/thumb/africa1_066.jpg[/img]

With our non-written traditions, we cannot definitively state what the Opa Oraniyan was built or not built for. Even if it was raised by Oranmiyan's sons after his death, it might have additional ritual or artistic significance that we do not know.

On the symbolic issue, at least in India, many of their phallic symbols (lingam) are decorated or carved, so that is not to say that it [b]must [/b]be plain.

i'm just mainly guessing here, none of my opinions are set in stone. Not arguing your point at all.

i have doubts about the opa oranyan being an actual obelisk due to the round shape. It must be rounded for a reason, since it wouldnt have been that hard to make it four sided.

i already aggreed some obelisks can have graphic relief symbols on them. But the opa oranyan has nails, not figures.

now, my next question is does anyone know the constellation directly above the staff.

lakal:
On the "Opa Oranmiyan."
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/SEENI4EVER/oranmiyanstaff.jpg


https://westafrican.net/samchief.JPG

From Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought

those trees around the obelisk- any idea what species they are?

cant be mangrove since those grow in swamps.

when were they planted and by who.

has the rock used to make the obelisk been analyzed- where did it come from.

lakal:
^^The Opa Oranmiyan is thought to be a phallic symbol, similar to other, smaller obelisks found at Ife. These smaller phallic symbols are used in Ogun worship, representing Ogun's masculine nature, according to the below book "Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought."



An excellent book for those who want to know about the art and aesthetics of the Yoruba people is "Yoruba: Nine Centuries of African Art and Thought" by Henry John Drewal and John Pemberton III with Rowland Abiodun.

^^i suspect it could have multiple symbolism, due to the 123 nails studded in it.

usually, phallic symbols/obelisks tend to be plain, with maybe some graphics.

the legend says oranmiyan's sons erected it after his death.

that would tie in with his travels, like those of his father, and whatever quest led them to found kingdoms.

also, obelisks are usually four sided. It would be nice to know why this one is round.

The worship of noon, sun, moon, mountains, rivers, etc are all representative of an animistic religion.  Every natural feature in Yorubaland could be traditionally revered as a deity.

true.

in the case of yoruba mythology, i think most of these deities are linked to the emergence of actual people and cultural exchange/power integration or consolidation in regional areas.

like the introduction of a skill, group of immigrants, etc.

^^does nigeria have a ceramics industry?

just wondering.

some of your work would look good on china.

eg the nigerian equivalent of scenes like these:



https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5639/elegentdesignceramicpla.jpg


https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7939/handpainted20plate20sce.jpg






not saying you should rush into anything oh

simply wondering if such is available locally in nigeria, that's all.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO RIGHT AWAY IS REMOVE THIS COUPLE FROM UNDER THE BRIDGE AS A MATTER OF URGENCY.

how to go about that?

lakal:
The worship of noon, sun, moon, mountains, rivers, etc are all representative of an animistic religion.  Every natural feature in Yorubaland could be traditionally revered as a deity.

true, i'm just trying to see if there's any egyptian connection to sun worship there.

also, trying to look into lineage and culture links.

^^stay away from that family and it will be well with you.

will have to check further about the vegetarian stuff, but animals didnt start fearing humans until after the flood, it seems.

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

2And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

Gen 9 1-2

not too sure however.

Relax101:
Post links and let me read it.
I heard about Igala's influence and not hausa or whatever.

slave trade era, resettled slaves, etc etc.





also, for example:

Asked what he was going to do in Delta state, IBB asserted that I am going to Delta State because of the special love I have for it and courtesy of the Delta State Governor, Dr. Emmanuel Uduaghan. I am looking forward to going to Delta state because that is my ancestral home

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/04/i-ll-run-for-2011-presidential-poll-says-babangida/

who knows.

lakal:
Osangangan = "High Noon" or mid-day.   The "high noon" was also worshiped as a deity, Osangangan. (Osan gan gan)

do you know more about the worship of osangangan.

i noticed most of the ifa divination trays are shaped like the sun, or cosmos. Some even have "rays" on the outer circumference.

also, do you know anything about the osupa [moon]  lineage found in parts of yorubaland.

On their way they left in every place they stopped at, a tribe of their own people

that's quite possible, all things being considered.



[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=770881.msg9509788#msg9509788 date=1320795466]i wonder what the 123 studded nails stand for.

i'd like to hazard a wild guess and hypothesize they could be indicating different stops along a journey?

no one knows for sure though.[/quote]

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=770881.msg9535985#msg9535985 date=1321075378]So why do you still have doubts of the origins?[/quote]thought i replied this earlier.

guess it didnt go through.


i have to carefully go through all the information since most of it takes a while to analyze.

Who are these children of belial twisting scriptures everywhere?

A lot of  Nigerian and African  women have been known to go through 9 months of pregnancy without seeking ante-natal care or taking vitamins.

true but that's no reason for her not to receive prenatal care for the baby.

there are community care centers where she can go to- and either pay a token amount or receive free treatment. I'm not sure how it works.

mother and child hospitals have also been built in other states where pregnant mothers can get free healthcare.[I was told].

the point is the people on ground right there in nigeria also have to assist the family with information, etc.

in addition, i think it's important for the govt to institute some kind of program like WIC where children under 4 can get free food and milk.

anybody watching p.orn- do so without mentioning my name, thanks.

i've said this before.

God bless everyone who is trying to assist this couple, but the govt still needs to get involved at some point.

the woman needs prenatal care and besides, where is she going to deliver the baby?