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^^i was addressing the op.

in your LGA no doubt.

ChinenyeN:
Akwete people did not learn weaving from Ijebu Ode. The contact with Ijebu Ode inspired innovation, but the industry itself did not come from Ijebu Ode.

that's possible.

i think there was a prior weaving industry which got replaced by akwete mainly due to ijaw [consumer] demand.

at least, going by those links i quoted.

well, cant find much info on ndoki, but they seem to be located in akwa ibom, abia and rivers states.

there's an ndoki in congo  but nothing to do with this topic i guess.

odumchi:
I provided you with the link that states it was taken in that era. Do you have any evidence that disproves it? Besides Ogbos didn't trade with Binis and Yorubas. I told you they traded with other Easterners. Here's a link of Igbo trade routes prior to 1900.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Igbo_Trade_Routes_before_1900.svg

well, the sources i quoted listed one trade route from ijebu to ijaw.

then another between ijaws and ndoki.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=465853.msg8965604#msg8965604 date=1313794450]www.nairaland.com/attachments/372914_Aba_Station_jpgb794cf2aeba0281086773d952972e2ea

trade with the white people, pretty industrialised then[/quote]the japanese had slippers long before then, but they werent made of rubber.

the modern one in the other photo is a relatively recent invention.

i cant see what shoes the people in this picture are wearing, but if it's slippers, then that casts doubt on the date attributed to the photo.

however, i dont think that's what they have on.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=465853.msg8965583#msg8965583 date=1313794171]although rubber slippers would have been possible through trade with the white men.

it is the horse tail i know did not come from aligbo likly from trade as chyz's link suggested[/quote]plastic slippers werent invented until the 1940s or 50s.

i looked it up.

according to this site, akwete designs were originally traded to the ijaws by ijebu ode people. When trade was disrupted, kalabari ijaw took the cloth to the igbo weavers of akwete town and asked them to reproduce the patterns. They did so, and in addition, inculcated an indian madras design which they also obtained from the ijaw.


http://books.google.com/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA73&dq=akwete+cloth&hl=en&ei=GuVOTu-cIKTh0QHT2NWzDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=akwete%20cloth&f=false

odumchi:
^^^
Ignorance is bliss.

Here's a link of where the pic is from. It was a picture taken in 1929 of the Igbo women of the Aba women's riot. Abi it's still Yoruba/Bini huh? Aniova

http://igbokwenu.wikispaces.com/Aba+Women+Rebellion

the picture was not taken during the aba women's riot, and indeed has nothing to do with it.


besides, the link it was taken from is right there under the photo.

the women are wearing rubber slippers- that wouldnt have been possible back then. The footwear isnt that old.

more info on akwete [by an igbo lady]:

http://www.rovinginsight.org/library/index.php?content=arts-artsncrafts-article-akwete



[img]http://www2.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/but06/hillwood/african/object_images/ref/big/Figure-2.7.jpg[/img]


https://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/thumbs/224236.jpg


https://images.powerhousemuseum.com/images/zoomify/thumbs/224248.jpg

@ andre uweh

i think akwete cloth is the word you're looking for. Correct me if i'm wrong.

akwete is regarded as traditional igbo weaving specific to the ndoki area.

according to the following site, the industry was introduced from ijebu ode or bini [your guess is as good as mine- maybe via europeans, trade or ijaw/itsekiri] in the 19th century, became firmly established in ndoki and sold mostly to ijaws from there. Ijaws had their own cloth called tortoise cloth [for the pattern], but were still heavy purchasers of akwete.


http://books.google.com/books?id=QKD_VNQ0MF4C&pg=PA47&dq=akwete+cloth&hl=en&ei=F-BOTpzaGoTX0QG74t2KBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=akwete%20cloth&f=false

**i'm not familiar with ndoki so I have no idea where they are offhand- just saying**

google is the poster's friend

the moral fibre is simply lacking.

and a respectable church were ready to join them together.

shocking, shocking shocking.

the guy's photo gives me the heebie-jeebies.

and i guess he doesnt know having s.ex leads to pregnancy?


obviously doesnt like condom either!

@ chinenye


yoruba women use the horsetail aka flywhisk in traditional dances.

not sure if women elsewhere do the same.

The photo i've been referring to is the one where the women are holding horsetails.

ie this one:

https://www.adireafricantextiles.com/Somorika1.jpg




I hope nobody thought i meant the other pictures where the women were tying george or up and down which everybody knows is an igbo form of dressing.

Yes, gbam in igbo can be broken down as gba and 'm' which means me, ours or first person.

However, that in no way eliminates yoruba as the source of the word gba, theoretically speaking.

Igbo/ibo is the main bone of contention here no doubt but that is another discussion and a different context.

^It doesnt work like that, dear.

Pardon the expression.

Loan words in a language arent necessarily only influenced by the popularity of the loaner language.

There are other factors at work which are also varied.

As per there being no interaction between yoruba and igbo in ancient times, dont know about that.

Clearly there was interaction between ife and benin and benin and igbo.

There are also the lukumi people who are anioma, and aniomas surely had interaction with igbos back then.

^Do me a favour- go to the yoruba thread and count the number of times gb appeared in various words.

Then go to the igbo thread and do the same.

The point i'm making here is gbam is more likely to be of yoruba origin ie chances are higher.

Gb is commonly used in yoruba and the only vowel it doesnt seem to be combined with in the language is u. Gbu however can be found in other languages to the east eg ogbuefi in igbo.

But when you have gb with a as in gba, na conk yoruba be that.

My opinion.

Why dont they do some kind of internship in the meantime?

And yes, the govt should look into this matter- either help them transfer somewhere else or something.

You have gbo (listen), gba, gbe, gbagaun, Yoruba, igbimo, gbin (to plant), gbi (eg agidingbi which means hard or something like that), igboya (hope?), igbe (shout, shat or bush, lol), etc etc.

And many more.

@ al harem

can you give examples of hausa or kanuri words with gb in them.

I've already mentioned at least three yoruba words with those phonemes and there are even more.

Like i said, yoruba language is known for having an abundance on the gb sound and its used heavily in yoruba.

@ chyz

not sure i get your point.

Odumchi

what i'm telling you is that combination of beads, wrapper and horsetail all point to yoruba.

I'm not looking at beads alone and i repeat- that dressing is commonly associated with yoruba culture.

Edoid also in some instances- mainly benin.

The smaller wrapper is called oja or gbaja in some parts of the southwest. It can be used to back a baby, as an accessory as we see in that picture, or sometimes as the headtie. It is different from iro and also has a satirical reference in yoruba to describe someone who is ready to fight ie tie wrapper which is the equivalent of removing your earrings when you're getting ready to beat someone up.

The wrapper in such saying is referring to this smaller one shown in the photo. It can also refer to someone who is determined about a matter.

All this is to show you the dressing in question is entrenched in yoruba culure.

At this point, nobody cares if its degrading or not.

That is not the issue.

What a useless man.

I would also like to see which pastor is going to be performing that wedding at christ embassy after full knowledge of this affair.

If its the word akata now everybody is quick to jump up and point fingers saying its of yoruba origin.

^It could be a loan word though i doubt your explanation is correct and neither do i know why you're developing hives at the thought of the word being yoruba.

Fact remains the phoneme gb is more prominently featured in yoruba language and that's why igbos derisively call them Yoruba.

Odumchi you are quite wrong here.

Those wrappers are typically associated with yoruba because its part and parcel of yoruba culture.

The dressing is usually worn by oba's wives and in olden times they werent allowed to wear anything else.

I've seen a photo of my grandma(yoruba) when she was young-maybe in her twenties or so- and that was the kind of wrapper she tied.

Yoruba cultural dances also feature that exact dressing combined with horsetail. Horsetails are very prominent in the traditional culture.

I really dont know what you're trying to accomplish with these lies of yours. Its getting too much.
I could assume an edoid link for the photo because of the hair beads, but some yorubas also use those and the horsetails are more conclusive.