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anonimi:
If the dominant group does not have quality, then h[b]ow did they become and remain dominant of other groups that have quality?[/b]

How do you resolve this inconsistency

sorry, just went back to re-check his post, and saw that he didn't put that there. So I will rightly help him upgrade/flesh up that concept.

The quality of the dominant group matters o. As you have rightly identified, as in the case of Nigeria, when the dominant group is still largely archaic, then we have what we have. Which is one of the reasons why we wonder how we keep getting the worst of us in the so-called democracy. It is cos the numbers of those who DONT have any semblance of sense far outstrips the number of those who do.

The dominant racial group we have is plagued with willful poverty and a gross aversion to education, and thus an aversion to a progressive existence....and that is one of the prime reasons we are where we are today. They know this and carry the badge of their huge numbers with pride.... unfortunately doing so ninu oshi at ise (lack and despondency), and dragging the rest of the country into the abyss.

Democracy is actually not just govt of the people as we tend to chorus, but in reality govt of the majority of the people....now when the quality of that majority is shit, then you are doomed. Will our dominant block somehow in no time become wiser, more enlightened, more educated? your guess is as good as mine.

Maybe in 300 years

anonimi:
I have seen you write about dominance of one tribe as necessary for national growth peacefully.
Are we not dominated by the Hausa-Fulani and yet we are so backward

he spoke about the quality of the dominant group.

jedisco:
Succinctly put. Legal Immigration opportunities the West is based on economic and political need. Like I keep saying, we did not come here on a 'diversity visa'. Whatever leal route we came by was made open because someone convinced the government they'd benefit more by having that pathway open than closed. Main issue is that many come in, think they've been done an eternal favour and are not driven to reach for higher heights which they have the potential for.

As the demographic decline continues, the next century will be dominated by a scramble for human resources same way the last few were dominated by a rush for natural resources. The west has found a way of doing this while convincing immigrant folks their worth lies in immigration. A good example has been India and China. Their GDP was close until 1995. China found a way to retain its best heads (even those educated abroad) and build wealth while India exported it's many good heads. Its the reason why I'm worried about Nigeria. We seem to be exporting our best heads (yes, I'm guilty) and sugarcoating achievements by Nigerians abroad means little to the home nation

this graph is a mouth-stopper💯😁🤣💯😁

This beautiful graph😍😍😍 is a picturesque definition of SUCCESS, and the great part about this is they have only just started.

Two countries with almost same population numbers, and look at how one has taken off. The right people and leadership is KEY!

When will/how can Nigeria have the right people? The majority are runts, some willfully, some by circumstance. So sad.

deept:
I lived in China for a year, given same conditions if I had to choose between living in China and the West, I'll pick china. Go to central Beijing CBD, it's almost like you are in central London very multi-cultural - bit exaggerated them too plenty for china so they population drown out population of foreigners. Night life is when you will see some sort of balance Westerners like the nightlife while the Chinese are mostly conservative.

The UAE and KSA have lots of restrictions like China because of their religion but Westerners troop in by the day. And if you go to a some of their expar forums, a lot of them prefer to live in these places than back home.

Some poster talked about child labour, the big Companies in the west are guilty because they outsource their 'child labour' to china and Africa and turn a blind eye and claim a moral high ground word for this hypocrisy. where are your iPhones and co manufatured, lithium for your EVs from child miners in central Africa. If it was a problem for the west, they would boycott these places and manufacture their goods in the west and not outsource manufacturing like they outsource their wars.

No place is utopia, you create yours. a man just wants to be king in his own house, tend his field, attend his feasts, make love, drink and merry. What works for one does not necessarily work for some other.

thanks for chipping in with useful info and not beer parlour gist. I can bet you that dude parroting unsubstantiated claims has never even been to China.

chatinent:
There should be a bigger superlative word for worst because that's the present situation.

worstest.....lol

080bjaked:
Quick updates, nha here we dey

you couldn't even update yourself on the child labour list you yourself quoted..You said China is top 10 na...another beer parlour gist parroted..and debunked.

I don look 1-40 tire I no see the historical child labor loving China o. Na Nigeria I see gidigba on number 10. And Gerrard59 already told you Nigerians wey never do NADA to shut up when the doers are doing their doings, but una no go hear.

Brother pls.

080bjaked:
If I drop links (btw same links a simple google search would have provided if you had bothered to look it up) , then we will start arguing about whether the articles are just "western propaganda". After we establish they are not, then you'd go the route that China is not the top 10 in Child labour countries so we'll have to argue (probably sprinkle some name-calling inside) that Chinese companies are linked to Child labour outside her borders using DRC Cobalt extraction indictment as proof and so on.

Instead of going that way Sir, lemme just say I am sorry, you are right, they are beer-palour discussions (the kind only Guiness and Heineken can induce). E ma binu.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_child_labour_rate

What number did you say China is on the child labour list abeg

See what I said about your thoughts not really being your own..... evidently.

Na Africa full there ooo, but somehow I should take your word for it that you've done your homework and you have strong convictions to back your pronouncements. Brother pls!

Stop eeet!

080bjaked:
If I drop links (btw same links a simple google search would have provided if you had bothered to look it up) , then we will start arguing about whether the articles are just "western propaganda". After we establish they are not, then you'd go the route that China is not the top 10 in Child labour countries so we'll have to argue (probably sprinkle some name-calling inside) that Chinese companies are linked to Child labour outside her borders using DRC Cobalt extraction indictment as proof and so on.

Instead of going that way Sir, lemme just say I am sorry, you are right, they are beer-palour discussion (the kind only Guiness and Heineken can induce). E ma binu.

you mean the debunked lies about urghurs abi... Which you have sensationalized further by adding 'children', e remain 'pregnant women'.

Humor me. But I must warn you, whenever I speak emphatically it isn't from guesswork or beerparlor gist, or skewed western propaganda news like the Ukrainians on snake island were killed that was false or how Russia fired weapons which were discovered to have actually been fired from Ukraine....no be surface level page 1 Google search I dey work with o..it is cos I have evidence to back up my words.

So let's go there, show me the evidence pls😁

I esp want to know what China stands to gain by forcing and using those folks and also 'children' to do work in those cotton fields that they have machines for, machines that will do it faster, and better, and cheaper...jobs which historically all Chinese who are interested do willingly during that time of the year..maybe some sado-masochism at play


China is working, their systems are working, their 'evil totalitarian autocracy' is working wonders, all things are working well for the almost 1.5billion Chinese. EOD
Can't say the same for Nigeria, not even in 300years.

The other day folks were dropping lines that would make you think Russians hide under their beds from intense fear, but thankfully same day we saw the parade of destroyed tanks in
same Russia and a ton of people having a blast, taking pics etc.

All the times I went to China I no see this forced labour wey BBC report, which has long been debunked but somehow has been seared into the hearts of many, despite no evidence. All the times I went to China I didn't see eerie fear in the people's eyes and somehow they still have over a billion of them living there.

Funny how mechanised China would opt to used hand pickers to pick cotton in the field in place of machines that are far cheaper and faster.

The west have really succeeded, people believe them without asking questions these days. So much for a democracy that still successfully conditions you to think ONLY the way they want you to think.

Can we call that autocracy in disguise...? Lol

080bjaked:
No, I believe this is very bad based on my personal values but brother, I'm not sure moralilty is a good ground to support China either, considering her history of forced child labour especially in the cotton and toy industries.

Honestly the west isn't doing well morally but China is worse. Difference is while one is over-pampering, the other is over-abusive.

do you work for the BBC? I ask cos you effortlessly parrot these sensational lines

'history of forced child labour'

Yet you only say these due to rumors and not from availability of incontrovertible evidence. Have you been to China and seen these 'children' forced to work? Describe what that is like pls. Do they whip them? Do they starve them? Do they work without pay? Give me something that shows you are not just typing beer parlour gist.

Lunatic

Sane people don't listen to you, go talk to your fellow numbskull at dem manna and trade words together on the subject of una fellow crazy daddy

Oneday82:
Everything about country now is pain and agony. And yet nobody is saying anything meaningful or acting towards that.

The only best way to get out this now is either Military take over or a massive revolution.

Things are getting worse by the day, while our politicians are busy leaving lavish lifestyle.

Today the price of fuel has gone up, $ to Naira is not smiling, foodstuffs still not shaking.

If you think all is well with Nigerians, then you must be a joke of the century.

The issue now is who will take the lead? The starvation is high and there is massive hunger in town.

If driving a car will make your family starve, kindly do yourself good and park the car and focus on feeding your family. Health is wealth.

This hardship is affecting everyone, irrespective of the party you are supporting, be it LP, APC, PDP etc. It's telling on everyone not two ways about it.

We should wake up and teach this politicians a big lesson and not allow them continue to use our brains for fried rice and chicken.

Nigerian Liberation #ISTAND

unity is a mirage that will never happen in this lifetime....maybe in another generation sha

Wereee!

Iro ti ba tiyin je patapata. No be your fault sha

jedisco:
It's said that if you take away the over 750million people China has lifted from poverty in a single generation, the world in general has made little progress in reducing poverty.
If China goes on to become the world dominant power, they stand the chance of being the first to achieve that with the lowest negative impact in human history. Their story has been an economic miracle. Thats what some folks comparing China to the US fail to understand- the miracle is that in 2024, China has become the elephant in the room.

I get your sense of frustration but in doing that, I'd avoid insulting your folks as it depicts self hate.



I said on another fora that just like with most things there would always be different routes and means to good governance
The role of every responsible government is to bring returns to the populace and foster the greater good. In this, China has exceedingly excelled. If we limit governance to whether they fit one world or another, then its a different story

your bolded line, is one of the things we agree on.

Autocracy is an option, and does not necessarily have to be seen as evil. Democracy is an option, and does not necessarily have to be seen as good....and vice versa. If you're a one-way thinker, that's fine too, but it is rather shallow to say someone is deadly simply because he isn't a one-way thinker as you are, and considers autocracy as an option.

I don't believe these calculations.

Do a pint size /cup of carbs, proteins, fat and oil, and vitamins (fruits or veggies). Even excluding cost of cooking, it will be far more than 1k.

If you're not cooking and you're just buying already made food, you may get a stiffly rationed healthy diet so to speak, but not enough to even come close to filling your belly. Maybe 'bite/snack size' food, not 'satiate your hunger' food.

If and only of they mean a healthy diet that still leaves you hungry 30 mins after, then their calculations fit work..

Stale and old

Recycling news from Feb 2024 in May, probably due to lack of any good news to share, or just something to save face from all the lies bursted in recent times.

Lol

Taal17:
July is 2months away.
How do they feed? Then they'll be out of status
When baby is born they cant leave either for another one month at least all things going well cos pregnancy no always dey straight.

Let only wife go back and hopefully they have support back in Nigeria.
He can wait it out finding a job before the date.

best advice in this scenario 💯

onatisi:
This problem is simple common sense economic issue . Increase production ,reduce importation , improve security ,and automatically the naira rate will improve , you can't continually defending the naira artificially and think that will change the realistic value of the fx market. Well we don't even have people within common sense in power anyway .

it is simpler sef. But dem don take lies and deception curse the APC and their hopeless minions. Refined petroleum products gulps 37% of FX. Commonsense dictates that once we can refine our products in Nigeria, there will be a lot of dollars freed up and available. Of course, petrol price will go up to the thousands but the naira will be stronger and better ( this is for those who somehow expect Dangote to reduce petrol price🤣, petrol costs more to refine than diesel, so if diesel is 1k, find X)

But we still dey wait for PH refinery after the third deadline elapsed March 31, and Dangote date remains unknown.

But once you dare call out the lies, deception and propaganda, some unfortunate accursed fellows will say you're unpatriotic.

All those who hailed Buhari for 8 years only to turn around and blame him and have now carried on that same legacy to this one, una no go die better. Your lives will perpetually remain in the state Nigeria is today, one without purpose and direction!

Like the decrepit griller at dem manna would say, NO BE CURSE, NA FACT.

OfeAchi:
I pray it gets to 1900 per dollar. I bought at 1700 some months back thus I need to recoup and make outstanding profits.

I bought at 725, e be like that one na super duper outstanding profit.

Anyway, I ain't selling till the two refineries come on stream. Emi o le je ki Nigeria ba aye mi je. Awon t'aye won ti baje OYO ni e wa. Emi o le join yin ooo🤣

We should be thanking God that japa wave has died down since this year. If to say that japa pressure on FX continued till this year, e go don burst that 2k to 1USD tey tey

maasoap:
Many Nigerians are saboteurs, you have to agree to that. Saboteurs in the sense that many Nigerians are simply buying dollars to keep in order to sell later and make profit, simple as that. Pure currency speculation which is harmful to our local currency and economy.
You even see popular and famous people online encouraging Nigerians to engage in currency speculation. Even teenagers on the streets are buying as low as few dollars for the purpose of speculation.
Nigeria placed ban on whole 41 items from importation under Buhari and it is still in effect till today.

why so pained? Leave your money in naira and watch your money burn, simple as that. I choose not to let my money burn, and so will hedge my savings in a stable currency.

Live and let live, no be so una dey say? Lol

Wetin consign saboteur for this matter. Some of us simply don't wanna join the league of unfortunates, due to the stoopid decisions of their stoopid leaders.

I know how much easier my life would be today, if I had converted a savings of 3m in 2015 for $20k and just forgot it in a dollar mutual fund. Hold your naira abeg. Nobody's stopping you.

emkz:
Home Secretary action delivering major cut in migration

Robust Home Secretary action has driven an almost 80% fall in student dependant applications in the first quarter of 2024 compared to the same period in 2023.


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-action-delivering-major-cut-in-migration

well this isn't the full gist. The full gist shows student numbers haven't dropped so much (put at 15%), although we both know when the breakdown is done, we'd find that the Nigerian applicant numbers have plummeted by a huge percentage, but it appears other nationalities still dey go Youkay

Zahra29:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/30/number-foreign-student-family-members-coming-uk-falls/#comment

Interesting that despite the new restrictions, the drop in UK student visa applications is nominal compared to the doomsday predictions....down to 35,000 from 39,900 this time last year. It would be good to see a breakdown of these student visas by nationality.

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A crackdown on foreign students’ visas has slashed the number of dependants they are bringing into the UK by 80 per cent, Home Office figures show.

The data revealed that the number of dependants granted visas to join their student spouse or parent in the UK has fallen from 32,900 in the first quarter of 2023 to 6,700 in the same period this year.

The number of overseas students applying for visas also fell by 15 per cent, from 39,900 in the first quarter of 2023 to only 35,000 in the same period in 2024....


A crack down by the Home Office on bogus care homes is also believed to have contributed to a 25 per cent fall in the number of health and care visa applications, from 205,800 in the six months from April to September 2023 to 153,500 from October 2023 to March 2024.

This comprised 40,800 main applicants and 112,700 dependants, provisional Home Office data shows. It is likely to reduce further as a ban on care workers bringing dependants into the UK takes effect after being introduced on March 11. Doctors, nurses and other health professionals remain able to bring dependants....

Mr Sunak is expected to announce curbs on foreign student visas amid fears that the route is being used as a back door into claiming asylum.

The Prime Minister is expected to restrict access to the graduate visa route, which currently allows students to remain in the UK for up to two years after finishing their studies without the requirement to get a job.

The announcement is expected to come after the Migration Advisory Committee (Mac) completes a review of the graduate visa route on May 14.

Options understood to be under consideration include reducing the time a foreign graduate can stay in the UK without a skilled job to either six or 12 months.

NsppdBabe6:
This news is fake, CIU posted a disclaimer, none of this happened, a colleague of hers created this content to tarnish her image. I have the disclaimer posted in my trust Intranet. I can share with Nairaland.

the way that mail was written, make me very much doubt the authenticity..either that, or the standard has really gone far beneath the ground at the NHS.

Check the mail address to be sure it isn't a spoofed email. The person wey write this one be like scammer wey dey hold serious grudge with punctuations, and just overall very horrible with written communication.

Been a while we heard vacuous tales from loony Lere.

The mentally decrepit Reno Omokirikiri is the rabid barking dog we've had to endure its inanities in recent times.

Just today I mentioned it in the living in UK thread how Russians largely love Putin.

These dont look like people who are living in fear for their lives..

Abi my eye dey pain me ni

Awon weere

Who wants to unite with some raving mad lunatics?

Ko ni da fun unity yen!

Go and protest your protest. Na una put them there, I no follow put them there. No protests from my corner.

Gerrard59:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3260307/made-china-2025-china-meets-most-targets-manufacturing-plan-proving-us-tariffs-and-sanctions

When people, especially black people, mock China with poverty statements, I find it very appalling and ridiculous considering after Whites and Chinese cousins - Koreans and Japanese - Chinese are the next in terms of developmental status. Arabs exceeds us. So, why try to belittle China?

Yes, China has poor people, just like every country. However, in the East and southeast parts of China, where much of the wealth is, the development of China is at the same level as most Western countries. The major cities of China are comparable to those in the West. There is wealth in China and much of it comes from sheer economic activities rather than the stock market. The recent ranking of billionaires shows it - Chinese cities dominate disproportionately. China, a country filled with destitutes over forty years ago, now has more billionaires than any other country and commands a lot of economic dominance. China trades with more countries than the US.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-which-country-has-the-most-billionaires-in-2024/#:~:text=China%20has%20814%20billionaires%2C%20the,while%20the%20U.S.%20gained%20109.

When I read the above article in the SCMP, if no be say I dey inside train, I would have shedded a tear because I was extremely impressed by the foresight of their elites and determination to succeed.

E dey irritate me anytime I see black people lampoon China. I keep reading dictatorship and mumbo-jumbo, history has it that EVERY developed and prosperous country you see today underwent a form of dictatorship before it became a prosperous democracy. There were bullying, mass killings and high-handedness. Economic development came before democracy, not after. In cases where there were semblance of democracy, there was a dominant ethnic or racial group or political party who controlled everything. But the majority of countries at the forefront of economic development had a form of dictatorship before they liberalised their political systems.

That said, Mr Treadway, Nigeria in its present state can't develop even with a benevolent dictator (Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore was described as such by Western media). The country's demographics doesn't permit that to happen. For dictatorship to work effectively for the benefit of the populace, there needs to be an ethnic or religious or racial dominance by a group that is egalitarian, enterprising, creative and pragmatic.

Lastly, black people, regardless of where they come from, should stop criticising China. Leave that to people who have built functioning societies.

you no dey ever disappoint my guy.

True, the unity debacle may also pose some problems, but with an authoritarian, that is not enough of a deterrent. For naija matter, the people simply cannot unite to elect the best of them or even do what is best for themselves. They can't unite guy! You know this and I know this!

If we do have an authoritarian who has the passion for the country at heart, I truly believe that may work better for us. Just take the reins and do whatever needs to be done, everyone will fall in line. The key thing is that person being passionate about the country.

Anyway, make I bone the matter.

ReesheesuKnack:
If anyone has been RANTING on this thread, it’s you.
Here you are in the UK, in the WEST pontificating how lovely & glorious Russia is, and how amazing China is.

Here you are, in the West saying all sorts of tbings about how horrible the west is. And how disgusting USA, UK,Germany etc are… Yea! You are entitled to your opinion.

Why don’t you leave the West and its values, and na gate towards the Russia or China that is your eldorado?

You have ranted a lot bro. We have ALL hear you. You don win. Now chill .

I'm in Nigeria, most on here know that.. what else?

I never called China my eldorado, you made that conclusion up all by yourself.

Goodenoch:
This is pointless. The absolute number of Chinese emigrants is useless.

What matters is what proportion they are relative to the proportion of US citizens emigrating to China.

There were less than 1,000 American students in China in 2023, and this is up from 350 the previous year.

Conversely, there were about 300,000 - THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND Chinese enrollees in American schools, with 86,000 last year.

https://www.voanews.com/amp/bilateral-tensions-cause-the-number-of-american-students-in-china-to-plummet-/7404085.html
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/amp/for-many-reasons-fewer-chinese-students-attend-us-schools/7537255.html

That means a Chinese young person is hundreds of times more likely to choose to go study in the US than an American young person is likely to.

Interpret that as you will. The figures speak for themselves though.

how many Americans are even in American schools.? I have the stats but indulge me.

Meanwhile, this your post reminds me of an interesting thread nearline tagged me in recently...not news to me, but immediately I saw your response I remembered the thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8059756/illusion-western-educational-superiority#129403640

Kenn55:
He poisoned him and wanted him dead immediately but Alexi Nalvanly was lucky to survive the poisoning thanks to Germany that took him and cured him. As a patriotic Russian, he still felt he has to go back to Russia despite being warned not to.

I don't really blame Nalvanly for wanting to go back home. Any reasonable person would expect that since Saint Putin has tried and failed to eliminate him before, he will just leave him alone, we were all wrong, in fact, we were dead wrong. As soon as Nalvanly stepped into Russian airport, saint oga at the top arrested and locked him up, bid his time and this time around eliminated him and ensured that no one can save him this time. Sad end of a young man whose only crime is having the audacity to oppose the "god" of Russia

If the Russian state can be this cruel to its own people who disagree with him, If and when Russia becomes the number 1 super power, do you think they will spear you and your people when you disagree with them?

Your evil desire of wishing this kind of cruelty in Nigeria will never work for you. God forbid!
With time, Nigeria will thrive and succeed democratically, economically as a free country with citizens enjoying their fundamental right of freedom of expression. There are countless number of countries from east to west to even Africa who are freedom loving, democratic and also prospering too. We don't have to become a repressive authoritarian society where one man can use the power of the state to murder his people anytime he wants without accountability.

I hope people around you know the kind of person you are else they are playing with fire cos with this your mindset, you can be deadly.

and yet you're ranting from the UK. How has your 'good desired' democracy helped your life or the family you left behind in Nigeria, since you don 'escape' now? How has the democrazy removed Nigeria from the deplorable state it is in 64 years after??

One-way thinker🤣....

Authoritatian is bad, but we had kings for centuries and earth didn't collapse.


Shior.

Deadly ko, Deadpool ni

Goodenoch:
Lol. This is why I love statistics. You can sermonize all you like but figures will always tell the unvarnished truth.

Anyway, I’m sure they’ll soon come with more analysis to show why all the Chinese emigrating are mistaken.

stats and facts indeed don't lie. If all the Chinese in the diaspora are put at 10million that is a whole lot less than 1% of their population of over 1.4b.

So the stats show they are not 'trooping out' as you've depicted, cos hey less than 1%....

In these kain discourse esp with India and China, we can't just be looking at the numbers without taking into account the sheer population of both countries. They have over 30% of the world's population so.....

See estimate of Nigerians in diaspora below.

Hope we can all see that the TRUTH is that Chinese are not trooping out as depicted.

Zahra29:
Why would I listen to Seun Kuti?

Lol, would you keep mute if your visa came with benefits?

No one is saying not to speak your truth, but why choose to apply for a visa to live in a country that you don't trust or agree with (majority of) their laws,ethics or policies - and spend a lot of your time unhappy/angry and criticising said policies.... You couldn't pay me to live in Russia, Iran, China etc as their governments don't even care what the people think.

again I understand that you're entitled to your opinion, but when something works, I am very very amenable to change. China is a great example. Gerrard59 is in Japan, most don't look to places like China and Japan, but still doesn't change the fact that autocratic China that was struggling with poverty less than 50 years ago, has an economy bigger than competing with the USA today (*modified/corrected* cos it is not in absolute terms but only when you consider Purchasing Power Parity), and is number one on virtually everything you can think of (quality of education, health systems, infrastructure etc.) Google it if in any doubt. We just tend to not really attach much attention or significance to non-english speaking countries. Russia is still far better than Germany economically toady even despite two years of significant sanctions. The top rankings for education and healthcare, English speaking countries no even dey top 20.

Life doesn't start and end with English speaking countries o...or democracy. Autocracy certainly works for some, and democracy isn't absolutely the best. I actually believe Nigeria will be in better state with an autocratic leader who has the nation at heart, even if he only has it at heart up to just 25% and is selfish with the remaining 75%

ElSudani:
Can you please publish the lie here for all to see? Tell us exactly what Bayo Onanuga said that turned out to be a lie.

tell us why Bayo Onanuga deleted his own 'announcement'