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ZKOSOSO:
Tinubulation is not good

Because it's all about " grab it, fight for it snatching it and runaway with it "...

They are just good copycat of their Oga at the top

exactly o.

They literally snatched, grabbed and ran away with 'it'

jrobbins:
I invited this insult to myself by commenting. 23 years working experience isn't a small thing. I am favoured too as my grandpa planted lots of cashew not knowing it'd become gold in the future(now). (Ask anyone in Kogi about cashew nuts)

Information is power though, The average monthly salary of an experienced banker of high cadre isn't in 6 digits. We also have access to more credit facilities than you can imagine.

Please read all of Brian Tracy's book and Flashes of thoughts By Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum then change your mentality.

You don't need to steal to grow. Time and chance, then God's grace, is all that's necessary to improve your life.

Ciao

crisp and succinct, just like your previous post.

Lol

Did I just read that they wanna conduct autopsy on someone who was shot in the head??

Mcslize:
Don't mind that Gerrard59. And he is in Germany o. He dey Germany dey chill but dey argue for all japa thread dey canva for Nigeria the heaven on earth country.

Gerrard59 when are you coming to Nigeria? Practice what you preach abeg.

and just like that na so you don turn anti-japa o Gerrard59. Story of my life🤣🤣🤣

Once you dare to have an opinion that doesn't conform to the mob like this, or argue your point of view like this, gbam! You don turn anti-japa be that.

Nairaland members are just something else.

NuCypher:
As much as I agree with you, I think you and others who make this argument underestimate the significance of this. The fact that he has more naira spending power is an enormous advantage now and later in life. This simply means that the option to relocate back to Nigeria to continue living a much better life at a cheaper rates remains open to him. Even if he has no plans to come later to Nigeria, the fact that the option remains open is a great advantage. On the contrary, not every oyinbo person can do the same. They are not Nigerian citizens and they don't know how Nigeria works. But for the Nigeria who earns in dollars or whatever currency and lives abroad, if he gets too tired of life over there, he can pack his bags, take this dollar savings, relocate back to Nigeria, and automatically become 3-4x richer than average. He can probably buy houses in a good neighbourhood and resume a better life in Nigeria. The options remains forever open as long as he maintains his Nigerian citizenship/passport. It doesn't matter if or when he'll do it.

You don't understand the great advantage this is, until you hear about Americans who are paying enormous amounts to relocate to Portugal or Thailand just so they can avoid Uncle Sam's break-neck taxes and live a more affordable life. As a Nigerian, you don't even have to think it that deep. The option is just there waiting for you anytime you need it.

on the assumption that naira is still shit in 2,5,10 years time. Fortunately/unfortunately that could very well change with the right policies and leadership. What happens then?

I am holding the bulk of my savings in USD and I currently have a pessimistic outlook to Nigeria, but I'm not stupid to arrogantly block off the possibility that naira could appreciate with the right policies at any time. If I as much as read news of at least two refineries (Dangote and at least one other) being truly operational lasan, you can bet I'm selling that dollar stash pronto, cos I know what that portends/means.

desiredmee:
You have successfully done nothing with this lengthy write-up I can assure you.

The OP sited the working condition that is obtainable over there but you are using what is obtainable here in Nigeria in your writeup, a Janitor for sure would be happy and derieve joy in his job because of the following reasons
He is not be looked down on
He is able to take care of his home
He is able to assist family members back home
He is able to build something back home

Mind you the janitor work is a temporary job.

The truth is our government is to be blamed in all of this, we have no reason leaving the country the way we are now but really they are giving us no other choice.

I know two persons that are of age 48 and were doing well by all standard in Nigeria but they still left the country with there family to UK.

Information on ground shows that what is obtainable generally is by far morethan enough reason to leave Nigeria.

I will end by saying we all should throw our anger at the government and not individuals trying to help themselves.

first of, again the only thing that irks me is the statement 'a cleaner in Aussie is better than a Regional Manager in Zenith bank'..so we don't lose focus or context.. the fellow I responded to which made you quote my post was saying it is all about the money, and I say ok oo but for some like me, more money isn't a motivator when you have sorted that need and have moved up to a higher level need that now motivates you. That was the crux of my post that you quoted.

I don't care about OPs move abroad, his reasons for moving, or what he does for a living. I agree that our leaders should b stoned to death with hot bricks but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have self worth, going around to make silly and baseless statements and comparisons online. Anyone who feels he is worthless cos he is Nigerian can gladly join the league of those who don't wait to be told that destitutes and dogs are better than them but already happily or sadly believe that to be their case. I won't stop you or them.

Ps: A janitor is a janitor, whether in the USA, Uzbekistan or Nigeria. If that is what anyone aspires to be, that's none of my business. I have never and don't ever aspire to be a janitor even if it hypothetically pays more than my current job (which it can't/ doesn't, be it here or yonder). Have at it if you want it.

Cheers

DataDoc:
Nigeria mostly lack data on these things. The only suicides you hear about are the ones that make it to the newspapers.

Lots of suicides occur here oh

why do most Nigerians whip up sentiments that are not existent or jump to conclusions that are not even inferred. One other fellow also made it seem like I am doing a comparison (thankfully I'm already used to this) when I am only telling OP to limit the self-immolation to himself.

I didn't say suicides don't occur in Nigeria. I was merely showing our new entrants to 'heavenly Aussie' who believed that there are no beggars in Aussie and that everyone is happy and flourishing that there are in fact beggars there and that people apparently have problems there too and are infact expressing that with an evidently high suicide rate....unless they are killing themselves from so much joy, success, abundance, and fulfillment. I did not say or suggest that naija no dey kpai demselves, una don already conclude that one say everybody wey dey naija is done for and a waste including the Regional managers and top-execs.

Hope that much is clear now.

My only grouse with usefulsense is that mundane and very derogatory submission he made which I rightly told him to personalize. Just imagine for a second that a white dude tells you to your face that my dog is better than you, na that same feeling accompany such a silly submission that a cleaner is better than a RM of Zenith bank, just because the cleaner is in a first world country. Now imagine someone saying that to himself and his kinsmen. Omo speak for yourself o. No be every financial controller worth their weight in gold. The ones wey weigh no fit ever reason like that much less talk/write that..onto exchange rate. Smh


For someone like op with the kind of exposure he must have had (to become a FC, if true) and at that age, to actually think that way was kind of a let down and that is why I expressed it. I don't care if you move out of the country and do whatever, but pls be sensible and don't act like your forefathers that saw a mirror and lost all their senses and exchanged mirrors for slaves. How can you say there are no beggars in a country( thank God at least he didn't push that one further) or say one cleaner somewhere is better than someone well-read, super motivated, an achiever with a career who rose to become a top exec/RM? Madness! And you can only read or hear that from Nigerians with no self worth. As backward as Africa is na only Naija dey fall hand and constitute nuisance like this and it is annoying. Then you say they don't recognize your experience and credentials. How can they? When you have told them repeatedly how you don't even measure up to their homeless people and how they have given your life meaning just by accepting you. Why were you guys hating on Emdee Tiamiyu when you are no different. Dem just never interview una or give you mic yet, you'd clearly do worse

Cheers

skultrick:
In all of these nonsense you are saying you obviously failed to answer the big question “WHY DO YOU WORK?”

You work because you NEED money.

If your so called career doesn’t earn you more than the toilet cleaner abroad, then you are obviously wasting away your life.

lol. That is your perspective. Some people see life and the pursuit of happiness and/or significance differently.

I was asked at a job interview as a fresh grad if I would prefer to be a janitor for 200k salary or a manager for 100k salary. My answer then was a manager.

Fast forward to now, my answer is still the same. And based off your answer I can tell you'd choose to be a janitor, which is fine and your prerogative.

To explain tha Maslow's hierarchy of needs simply, it simply states that there is always a pressing need that motivates you and once that need is satisfied you move up to a 'higher' level need, which becomes your new motivator and so on up till level 5. Even as a fresh grad I knew I would derive no joy being a janitor for higher pay, and if I lose that specific janitor job, there is a very slim chance I'd get another paying same, but as a manager my next job could be that 100000*10, and more importantly I'd be happy while at it and fulfilled meaning I have somewhat moved to level 4 on the hierarchy.

Where I am on the hierarchy, I can't think like you have sadly, I am not motivated by only 'more money' or the presence of 'emergency care'. I suspect you still may not understand, but it is a teachable moment, someone might learn something and I feel like teaching.

Life is more than exchange rate.

For someone like op with the kind of exposure he must have had and at thatbage to think that way was kind of a let down and that is why I expressed it. I don't care if you move out of the country and do whatever, but pls be sensible and don't act like you forefather that saw a mirror and lost all there senses. How can you say there are no beggars in a country( thank God at least he didn't push that one further) or say one cleaner somewhere is better than someone well-read, super motivated, an achiever with a career who rose to become a top exec/RM? Madness! And you can only read or hear that from Nigerians with no self worth. As backward as Africa is na only Naija dey fall hand and constitute nuisance like this and it is annoying. Then you say they don't recognize your experience and credentials. How can they? When you have told them repeatedly how you don't even measure up to their homeless people and how they have given your life meaning just by accepting you. Why were you guys hating on Emdee Tiamiyu when you are no different. Dem just never interview una or give you mic yet, you'd clearly do worse

Cheers

VULCAN:
Why did you use a governor who has access to the people's money as an example?

The least any governor takes as security vote is N10b a month.

That you can compare a thieving Nigerian governor to a person doing a blue collar job in the West is such a dumb comparison.

With such a mindset, you deserve to be ignored on here

and yet you didn't ignore.

We know you are worthless and worth less, so run along with your worthless self.

Years ago, it was whites that would say to people like you with zero self-worth, things like 'my dog has more worth than you'. Fast forward to 2024, you lots are saying it about yourselves, online nonetheless 🤣🤣🤣

Carry on jare. Shebi a destitute in Aussie is better than Nairabet CEO? I agree 100%

treatise:
I never liked Tinubu's persona right from the time he was a governor till now but it appears he's focused on remedying years of mailase. Put differently, he's on a redemptive mission judging from recent policy blueprints and actions.

except this has nothing to do with the FG or Tinubu. The backlogs are still uncleared due to huge losses the airlines would be hit with should they convert their tickets sold at the 440 rate to the current rate. The money in USD they would get would be probably a third of what they should have using today's rate. This is why Nigeria airfares are far more expensive than even neighboring Cotonou, they are trying to make bumper profits to hedge the loss of that FX recalculation in case in the long run they don't have a choice but to accept govt terms.

This is simply and totally a response to the competition that AIR Peace now poses to the other foreign carriers.

Say thank you to business competition, not Tinubu. Someone also posted proof as to why even dumb Bubu should be thanked and I agree. A 13billion naira waiver is huge, so he can be linked to this success of air peace at least.

chidi4sam:
I guess you read why this argument has lingerd. One guy was trying to talk down on him for relocating at 48 years instead of planning to retire. Life just started for him.

I saw your reaction when he said a toilet cleaner is better than a banker in Nigeria. That was actually an irony. No one washes toilets here in Australia. For example, It takes between 2-3 years to come to Australia through PR (you and confirm that from the Australia PR trend). In the cause of waiting, you are not sure of getting an ITA depending on your points, and there could be new policies including age factor which will further place you at a disadvantage. But coming as a student or a dependent to a student, takes about 6 months all things being equal.

Now, no matter what you have studied in Nigeria or your experience, you can land a job in your profression immediately you come to Australia. You need to upgrade to fit in. For example, coming to Australia as a doctor, you need to write plab1 and plab 2 and also have experience working in UK to be able to come to Aus. An alternative to that is coming as a student. While schooling, you must do these menial jobs which pays you a whole lot of money to pay bills, do investments and also pay for your school fees.

So, for someone to criticise an adult who has made his life decision at 48 is degrading. I was only trying to support his decision..

I understand you.

You'll see that I didn't comment on the guy's comment that you referenced or even OP's response to that comment, cos e no really consign me. Decisions like this are personal, I don't want to or need to understand them, cos e no consign me, but like I said those kinda statements really rub off on me somehow, which is why I encouraged him to personalize it.

Even if you (I don't mean YOU specifically in this instance) think oyinbos and oyinbo land is heaven (which is a choice that you're entitled to) cant we just freaking pretend to be cool and be a little bit more composed ffs....

I seriously can't even picture a Ghanaian say a cleaner in Aussie is better than a top executive in Ghana, much less a South African (these ones especially carry themselves with pride even tho they ain't shit). Cleaner better than a top executive/manager wtf!!! Good luck getting respect from people who constantly see you happily debase yourselves this way in comparison to them.

Na im be say all the professionals excelling in Nigeria, doing great work and relentless high achievers are all living wasted lives niyen. They are better off as cleaners or riding at the back of a garbage truck or just plain ol dead. Lol

I think we can be a lot more composed and just quit with this self deprecating inferiority tirade BS. That is all I want to stamp here tonight.

Cheers.

jedisco:
I see your point but certain things ring a bell.
I have always said there are certain things that can't ve imported - health and security.

I have worked in healthcare in both Nigeria and the UK and can say that for all the challenges the NHS faces, a begger in the UK arguably has access to better emergency care than many governors in Nigeria. For routine care it should be different. Many rich Nigerians are one setious ailment away from being bankrupt- something the average citizen in western nations would not pay a penny for. The serial pitiful death of our actors come to mind.

The other is security. Many have been reduced to grass following a kidnap of themselves or close relative- this is not including deaths.

Emotions apart, a cleaner in the west with settled status would have access to certain things that a bank manager in 9ja would struggle for. It's sad, but its the truth

the crux of what you typed here is that based on emergency care available to the cleaner over there he/she is better off than a Regional manager in Nigeria right? I know you mentioned kidnappings too o, but majorly I have hit the nail on the head as per the weighty component of your point right?


If yes, then YES I also do see your point. I especially like how you touched on the difference in the overall experience of routine care Vs emergency care in the UK cos it is a significant one to note, cos the routine one wey concern the vast majority of cases and that most people need, you gats wait months, but the emergency care na im you put for front burner in this instance

BUT here is the thing for me, I simply cannot agree that the simple presence of emergency care to the person in Aussie is enough reason to say he is living a better life than someone who is excelling, well read and rose through the ranks to become a .regional manager at Zenith, simply cos he can't get a chopper ambulance to pick him up or an ambulance to get to him in 5mins. Fulfilment in life doesn't come from emergency care. What life and living is about is more than emergency care. Very very many people go through a whole lifetime without the need for emergency care. Many people who get emergency care still die. Na the things wey dey drive most peeps and give them fulfillment dey that table below. To now tell me the person wey dey level 1 better pass person wey dey level 4 or 5 simply cos e get access to emergency care, no jus follow as far as I am concerned.

chidi4sam:
Maybe the statement wasn't properly composed. What I actually wanted to type is that I have not seen a Nigerian begger here same way it used to be I'm places I have lived.
I was in UK, Dubai and Australia. I was just comparing. Even in dubai where it is an offence to beg, people still beg. Nigerians are doing great in Australia believe me

dude

We know Aussie is better, there is no need to compare or even convince anyone of that

But while things are shitty o'er here and I do talk about the issues here very often (if you check my history), making the kinda of statement that I hear and read most Nigerians make when they leave these shores to other countries just is not a good look. I don't see even other Africans do this self-deprecating, inferiority tirade BS, much less other races. What Australian will read this kinda crap and value or respect you?. And una dey blast Emdee Tiamiyu ooo. You basically are admitting to them ever so passionately and diligently that you are worthless without being there and living there is what gives your life meaning.. like wtf.

Let's package ourselves better abeg. No be to dey drive the hype like say we never see chandelier before. How you go dey talk online say cleaner for one place better pass a well read, accomplished person who rose to the ranks of a Regional manager at Zenith bank?? Does that make any kind of sense at all....and then still turn around to say life is not all about money..classic incoherence.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a good reference point, we have diff things that drive us, different things we aspire to, clearly....cos that statement just no make sense or senses....and it is not a good look abeg

A garbage disposal guy in Aussie, Canada, US and Youkay sef is better than a governor in Nigeria. Ment!

jedisco:
Its would be a multitude times easier for him to travel the world on his current job than for someone earning 2 million monthly in Nigeria to do same.

peeps can talk about real issues like low global mobility for Nigerians and the other myriad of challenges without coming up with wack and tenuous, non-intelligent or non-intelligible crap like a cleaner somewhere is better off than a regional manager at Zenith bank. That is idiocy and lunacy combined...and it is rather disappointing to read this from supposed men o, with a phallus between their legs, men that are supposed to build freaking civilizations talking so effing ***""""""""****!

Irks the f outta me everytime

chidi4sam:
You are so misinformed. How much is ticket that people in Australia cannot afford? Let me shock you, I have not seen one begger in Australia. Whoever the person is, not withstanding his visa status, everyone is OK here. I can get my to and fro ticket fee by working only on Sunday. Australia pays the highest wages when compared to Canada, UK, and even US (in some companies). Use your google and search about it instead of displaying your ignorance online.

yea, no beggars or destitutes in your side of Aussie. They all wear rolexes and drive Porsches. Grown up dudes such as you and Op saying authoritatively say beggars no dey one country...he even saying that haven been there just about 3months. Na wa!

Enjoy....Nofin do you

Usefulsense:
For me measure of progress is different.
A toilet cleaner in Australia lives a much better life than the regional manager of Zenith bank in Nigeria.

just say a toilet cleaner in Aussie lived a better life than you did while you were in Nigeria. Personalise this inferiority complex abeg. Own it! Don't bring one mythical regional manager of zenith bank into this. Not everyone was evidently miserable like you while you were in Nigeria. I thank God everyday for the fact that I don't think so lowly like this. Jeez!

This stale line is so nauseating. A destitute in Aussie sef was living a better life than you were. We know, we get it.

All these peeps in Australia that sought to die by suicide were happy, fulfilled, ok and satisfied to death. Smh

Yugoslavia247:
They share same vagina.

So this is a legal two some that is wholesome.

can even get double head (BJ) sef (pun intended)

pseudonomer:
With £2k monthly salary in UK, you can’t afford to hire a driver, maid or any domestic staff.

I don't doubt that either.

Globalinfo247:


Allen Onyeoma, the CEO of Air Peace, has said that those who earn two hundred thousand Naira monthly in Nigeria are better off than those earning two thousand pounds in the United Kingdom.



He said this while appearing as a guest on TVC.



Speaking to the host about the economic crisis and strength of the Naira, Onyema said he agrees that the bulk of the issue is "artificial".



He added: "Go to London, if you earn two thousand pounds a month in London, you're a pauper. What two thousand pounds can afford you is like two thousand Naira."



He continued: "The person earning two hundred thousand Naira in Nigeria is better."



Onyema added that with earnings of 200,000, a Nigerian can afford a maid, a driver and other domestic staff.

He said he believes completely that the Naira has more value than is being projected when compared to other foreign currencies.



He added that Nigerians should stop demonetising the country.


Follow link to watch video,

many are mad, few are roaming.

Driver - at least 60k salary
Maid - at least 50k salary
one Other domestic staff - at least 50k
Oga boss balance after above expenses- 40k

So oga boss is left with 40k to feed himself and fuel his car for that month? Allen must have just received a Mouth Gig before going on air. His brain never calibrate.

ivolt:
You only incur a loss if you are a trader or speculator.
If you are an FX earner, nothing changes.

na so

Also, loss and profit is a function of decision/choice really.

Mr A bought BTC at 30k and watched it drop to 17k for a year. He eventually got tired, sold it at 17k and grieved his 13k loss..
Mr B bought BTC at same 30k, watched it drop to 17k but stuck to his guns that it will still rise, and boom BTC hit 70k in the second year.

Mr B is at a car lot splurging 30k on a 2017 GLE and still has 40k USD to play with.

Mr A and Mr B's loss and gain were both a matter of choice.

End of story.

DYOR, make a decision, stick to your guns. You can't play this game it you're fickle. Simple as that!

Raph82:
U"ll be shocked and disappointed when u see naira failing to obey the rule of the game (bull run). The moment it crosses the 1k bench mark, then the downtrend will continue, this time with a heavy downward spike. There may be little retracement, continuation of downtrend is inevitable. It's no longer business as usual. Therefore u buy, u cry.

it's my buy. Taink you very much🙏

If the refineries truly do come on stream, that may inform a different approach, but as of this moment, no shaking at all.

Holding the dollar isn't a profit move for me, it is a value preservation move. I trust the dollar to hold its value, so I'll rather keep my shikini wealth/savings in it, so the country doesn't add me to the list of 'have-nots' by no fault of mine.

iLegendd:
As long as Nigerian politicians are forever corrupt and their measures are always temporary, I'll never convert my Dollar to Naira except I'm using it immediately. Apart from that, it's either in BTC or in Dollar, Pounds, or Euro. No going back. I can't

Funnily, smart people will use this opportunity to convert more Naira to Dollar because they know the highest it will take is 5-10 years and we'll be in another crisis.

5-10 years too long...more like in 3-6months, except both refineries truly come on stream within the next 6 months

I'm particularly waiting to see it touch below 1k so I can load up as much as I can for the next 'bull run', cos I'm not optimistic about those refineries one bit, not with all the falsehood. Dec 2023 they said, na March 2024 ending we dey so, we no see even refined palm oil comot from any of the two that were hyped as ready to go.

missjekyll:
My people,look what I found

https://leadership.ng/uk-based-nigerian-youtuber-emdee-tiamiyu-arrested-over-alleged-fraud/


This unfortunate tiamiyu again

since when UK dey dash £160k to someone who didn't discover the cure for AIDS or invent a hydrogen bomb🤣🤣🤣

That is just one of the many silly blogs that have been reporting that false story since yesterday. I don't know if the imbe is in trouble with the UK popo, but I do know the UK doesn't dish out 160k GBP to asylum seekers, which was an element of the silly story.

First of, Lai is a certified, irredeemable liar.
Secondly, this story account even if delivered by him, is certainly not from him. This is a man that is much too dim to be able to spell, pronounce or know the meanings of half of the words in that speech.

Flowing from the above, the lying machine has told yet another lie, as this is either the reality/story of someone else or just plain fiction.

First of, Lai is a certified, irredeemable liar.
Secondly, this story account even if delivered by him, is certainly not from him. This is a man that is much too dim to be able to spell, pronounce or know the meanings of half of the words in that speech.

Flowing from the above, the lying machine has told yet another lie, as this is either the reality/story of someone else or just plain fiction.

santaclaws:
There's no perfect plan or policy, governance is all about doing what works and backtracking if/when it fails to work.

If floating the naira is a problem, why should the president stick to the idea when it won't work. Perhaps your idea of governance is to be under a dictator who never admits when he's wrong.

much ado about nothing. I don't care what Thubv does or doesn't do. What I care about, and what i talked about is what I would do if the naira does get below 1k esp given the clear history that is repeating itself in this regard. My life would have been a whole lot easier even till this day had I held 20k USD from my savings and forgotten it in a Dom account when that was just 3million naira 8 years ago. I'm learning from history and always seeking ways to protect myself, not all this one wey you dey talk. They can continue doing eyi je, eyi o je....ko kan mi

santaclaws:
If it can go below 1k in the next few months, I'd doff my hat for Cardoso...

if it falls to below 1k, I aint doffing any hat for any Cardunce-o, as it would just confirm my suspicion that they have also backtracked on their decision on the float, just as they backtracked on their decision on the subsidy just as they backtracked on both btw 2015 and 2017 as I reminded Grandstar just yday. So the smart thing to do is if it does fall below 1k, I would buy more USD and keep as a hedge for whatever is coming.

Nedekid