I'm surprised no one here who claims to speak in tongues did not give an actual personal account of their experience.

I speak in unknown tongues. This is my testimony. 

When I first received Jesus, I remember walking into the church and hearing these people babbling gibberish like they were going mad. I thought I must have taken a wrong turn into a mental institution.

I'm sure this is why the scripture says it should not be done in the assembly, and if it is it should be done in order, and interpreted for edification.

Anyway, the Holy Spirit in his faithfullnes still showed up.  And I fell at the feet of Jesus.  No regrets to this day. 

The pastor, in another service ,laid hands on me to receive the infilling of the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

I had been very skeptical, especially since I still had the initial impression of lunatics foaming at the mouth and spitting out some kind of bush language in my mind. I certainly didn't want to be like them. 

Everyone else in the line up began speaking in tongues immediately, but I did not! 

And for sure I was not going to fake it!

So eventually he stopped praying for me and told me when God was ready I will receive the gift.

I was so hurt and confused.  Wondering if it was my lack of faith.  But still I prayed and told God that if this speaking in tongues thing was for real and it was of him, then I wanted it.  fullstop.  I left it up to him to prove.

Weeks passed by, nothing. 

Then one night after praying and getting into my bed, feeling especially concerned about this "tongues" thing, something amazing happened.

Lying in my own bed,  I suddenly felt  a burning sensation at the sole of my feet! It was like my feet were on fire!

The heat moved slowly upwards from my feet through the rest of my body, and when it reached my stomach into my chest I felt like something was coming up that wanted to get out! It was like these words pushed themselves out of my mouth from deep inside of me!

It was like filling a cup, it started from the bottom and then overflowed at the brim!   

It's the only way I can inadequately explain it. Sounds foolish I know, but it's true.

It was not coming from my head at all.  At first I was confused and stopped to actually think about what I was saying, and then from my head I tried to do it again.  But when I used my head nothing came out.  Only when I simply focussed on the spirit and just open my mouth did these strange words form into something I had never heard or learned before.

This is how God proved to me personally, that the gift of the infilling of the spirit with the evidence of speaking in an unknown tongue is REAL, and is for the present day church, just as he did on the day of Pentecost.

I am certain that this infilling has protected me from many demons, especially since I had been involved in Wicca and in my curiousity had opened many spiritual doors. 

See my dreams  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-39632.0.html

we've been in the last days since the ascension of Christ. don't be scared, be prepared ,be sober, be vigilant, like the wise virgins.

Pain:

Christianity is Not A Religion. It Is An Experience.

What does the embodiment of pain know about God? Go take two aspirin and read your Bible.

Christianity is a religious relationship with God. 

RELIGION:  a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

this whole bloody thread is DUMB!

Pain:

What Do U Know About Pain?

Wellll, I slept badly the other night and had a horrible pain in my back, that was unpleasant. Then, I hurt my knee during spin class at the gym, now that was painful!

The common denominator is that I always try to get rid of pain, especially the ones in my derriere!

Jen33:



A lot of people here can't stand the fact that everyone, and not just them, is already saved, and has ALWAYS been saved.

A remarkable combination of selfishness and ignorance if I ever saw one. 

Christians, especially of the ''born-again'' hue are a strange lot.

They walk around smiling and joking with people, all the while believing 99% of such people are destined for eternal suffering in hellfire.

What a way to live.

Astonishingly, the audacious self-centredness of such a position is entirely lost on them, owing to their tragically effective indoctrination.

Pathetic.

Jen! lol!! I hate to admit it but you sound so much like me it's scary.  Even though we are on different sides of the fence, I must admit I like your flare for sophisticated insult.  It's an acquired skill that many people will never attain. 


ahem!!

Bad Jen! Very very bad! 

Muslims do the same thing ie, walk around being nice to everyone but inwardly thinking we are infidels worthy of death! You also do the same thinking that we born agains are brainwashed zombies regurgitating false doctrine.
So what makes you any different.

_{*** shakes head in pity ***}

thank you for proving my point about you to all.

LadyT:

Oh Lord help us I thought we were getting rid of the pastor Kings in this world. Look mate you have no power don't let anyone deceive you, you are not blessed with superhuman powers. Aren't you meant to be humble? This is your first step to a massive downfall. Your job as a pastor/preacher whatever is to spread the word and gain souls not declare your self an idol. Wheather God god it don't matter THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER!

I hope this is a fake post and you are not a real pastor because for you to even ask this question shows you are lost.

Bico! Lai lai! if he be pastor I be Pope!

** trini girl dances victory dance around thread **

lol 

goodguy:


Sorry to disappoint you, but I only read the first few lines of that post. I called it a sermon because it's a long post. I just went through the whole thing now, and I have questions to ask you, but that won't be on this thread.

I'm also learning here, and haven't claimed to know any better than anyone here, unlike the rest of you who assume that anyone that doesn't see things your way is blind, deluded and ignorant (using David's words now ), and isn't worth calling a Christian. No, I am not like that. I believe everybody cannot think and see things the same way, even though we believe in the same thing. This doesn't make anyone a "so-called christian" as some of you have been describing me here.

What are you learning? What have you learnt so far? Other than how to insert quotes and think of new ways to respond and compound your foolishness?

I wonder if you realize that every other sentence you make digs you deeper into a hole.

It's not that we want anyone to see things our way, but we are showing you scripture in the Bible you claim to believe in concerning this topic, and you still refuse to open your eyes!

So based on that,  we are no longer assuming, but stating with clear evidence the fact that YOU ARE BLIND. And as much as we try to at least offer the option of further knowledge to consider, YOU CHOOSE TO REMAIN IGNORANT!

So then I don't see David's statement as assumption at all, IT IS A STATEMENT OF FACT BASED ON EVIDENCE.

Grasshopper,

If you claim to believe the same things true christians (not religionists) believe, by default it implies you see things the same way we do.

Since that is not evident, then it's safe to deduce that you  need to open your understanding of christianity if you call yourself christian.  

Because to say you do not believe in free will, and you believe that God may allow those who were not convinced of him on earth can still go to heaven is totally contrary to the nature of God and divine law!

If you want to call yourself christian and go against God, then it's only fair for us to question your "so called " christianity.

goodguy:

Please get the hell out of my face with your self-righteousness!

You should not even be among the least of the last people that should be telling me this, as this very statement describes exactly your person, as well as the Bible verse that perfectly qualifies your character. Are you not the same person that believes that Premarital sex is not fornication? See you stylishly accusing one of not having the Spirit of God, with the Holy Bible. You are definitely "intellectually" and "spiritually" capable indeed. :roll eyes: Bloody Hypocrite!

Temper temper grasshopper.  

This seems to be a serious chip on your virgin shoulder!  

My dear boy, coming out of that thread I have an amended OPINION about the issue.  It has not changed completely but since you have selective memory or probably didn't read it because it was "too long", let me off topic a bit and summarize.

Pre marital sex (sex before marriage) and Post matrimonail sex (sex after marriage) can BOTH be fornication since fornication by definition is ILLICIT SEX (example sex with prostitutes, homosexuality, incest, beastiality, sleeping with your father's wife etc) according to the Strong's exhaustive concordance.  

To this day no one has shown me anything in scriputre that disproves my OPINION that sex between a man and a woman in a committed long term relationship is fornication.

Hypocrite (Pretender) I am not.  If anyone gives me just (scriptural) reason to change this opinion I will certainly do so.

This is where you and I differ.  

We have shown you scripture and tried to explain why your position is wrong, and yet all you do is defend your folly with asinine temper tantrums.

Grow up Goodchild! Spiritually and mentally!

thank you Seun!

at least in this rare instance, I agree with ur opinion.

sensible sin. lol!!

I think what the gentleman is really doing research on is birth control and how religion views it.

Brymore, which religion are you referring to, and why specifically "condom" use?

hah! Amby is silenced as her folly has been exposed!

Pain:

Here We Go Again.

Is There A Reason You Go Through The [b]Pain[/b]s Of Writing In Initial Caps? Or Is It Just Your Way Of Annoying Readers? Just Wondering.

KDK:

Trini_girl,
Thanks for your comment. You have already passed judgement so what do you want me to add or say?

KDK

Don't be such a whiner! When you make such strong statements as "I am a god!" be prepared to defend it! Otherwise why start a thread like that in the first place!

In any event, since you asked what I want you to say, how about an admission of folly and a retraction of the statements on this and that other thread where you posted a 6 part book.

more shite!

_{** skims through thread and leaves **}

KDK:

Trini_girl,
Could we discuss off thread?

of course not!

TVeeeee

so you are still beating this dead horse thread. kai! 

i still remember you sent me to my room on this one. i'm not allowed.

I find it very disappointing that "christians" make these exacerbated statements about people  everytime they have a different belief system from ours. Not to mention the misappropriation of scripture.

The root of these exclamations is fear and ignorance.

Remember that we are not fighting against flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness in high places.  Judging and condemning a person ( as tempting as it may be, since I myselfl have fallen into that trap) is NOT the right way to reason.

Since I've started reading from this forum I thought I knew so much, but I'm learning new things every day. 

Each challenge to my convictions makes me double check to affirm what I believe and I actually have questions that I have to research and find answers to, as was the case for the alleged 101 contradictions found in the Bible.

The Bible actually DOES have copyist mistakes that come with each translation!

If you are not sure of what you believe, then stay away from new age deceptions like reincarnation and unversalism, you will surely be confused and seduced. 

As for me, I'm at a place where I can be open enough to research these systems to a point where I start seeing the error, and it further confirms my own faith.

Where in Jen's post did she ever say that she was trying "deceive the elect".  She is simply stating her own belief system, whether it is right or wrong is a topic for debate.

In all your getting people, get wisdom, get understanding, discern the spirits.

If she/he had come in here as an advocate for reincarnation, encouraging people to join it would have been another matter and your ranting may have been justified.

People claiming that the christian God does not exist is older that my great great grandmother. Please

I wonder if "christians" will ever come to the understanding that everyone has a right to believe and to speak their spiritual belief (at least for now) without persecution.

KDK!

Manipulator of scripture and supporter of humanism. Starter of contentious threads, Abandoner of same.

Pray tell, as a god, what are you expectations? Money? More power? A virgin? Worship in the form of a goat head?

I am curious to hear.

Jen33:


Which is why nobody is condemned in the hereafter for their subjective definition of the Godhead during their time as humans.

oh lawwwd here we go again!

Jen33:

Well, I'm certainly no fanatic with regard to any idea. I'm open minded to new discoveries,

There are no hard and fast rules in my book. But this is where my search for the truth has led me to. Many years ago I spoke to God and asked him to let me know the truth about life - who we are - why we're here -  etc etc, as I was utterly unconvinced by the conflicting, often ridiculous concepts propounded by world religions.

I reckon he's doing that.   

I agree about being open minded.  I had the same jouney for truth. Dabbled in Wiccan and the craft a bit.  Quite a story there.    I was also considering Islam.  In my search however I got the revelation that religion has nothing to do with spirituality and was never the will of God.

Even the Bible says that pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this; to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.  (Love your neighbour as yourself)

A lot of people don't understand this statement but I came to realize that to know yourself is to know God.

To me it means that in my most peaceful moment of meditation when I kept asking myself  "who am i" and went deeper and deeper into my soul,   in my aloneness,  God was there.  Dunno if that makes any sense whatsoever. 

But my own experiences have brought me to this place where I know that the christian God of the Bible is as real as this thread.  Not because of a church or a religion or what I have been taught.

How we all define him is where the contentions arise.

Something tells me you don't really believe this as vehemently as you purport. Especially since you can't tell me why we're not on with the universe yet according to your belief. But, all things take time.

TV01:

Hi KDK and others,

Sometimes I just like to follow a thread and hear what people have to say. I figured from the length of this one that there was something worth hearing.

I can't say I've been diligent to read it all, but I am posting because I see that "Universalism" has cropped up.

Now, I don't claim to be a Universalist (The notion that everyone will ultimately be saved), but on the course of study and research, I have come across writings about it, and particularly L. Ray Smith.

To be honest like many (most?) Christians, I had a default position of eternal heaven and hell. After stumbling across Universalism and studying some and praying a bit, I wasn't convinced enough to make a wholesale change.

I am always the first to say that with the plain Word of scripture and leading of the Holy Spirit, I am willing to re-appraise, not being tied to any denomination or yoked by tradition.

I realise it's a walk, and one makes it personally, not by proxy or via 3rd parties. Universalism may well be 100% true, maybe I'm just not there yet, or not mature enough to see or handle it.

Having said that, I have a few questions to start, specifically for KDK, but open to all.

1. KDK are you an avowed Universalist? Do you subscribe to L. Ray Smiths teachings on the doctrine in their entirety? Are their any other subscribers to this doctrine out there?

2. The whole doctrine to a great degree turns on the theory of free-will, specifically mans free will.
I have never had any issue with God's sovreignity or His omniscience. I believe the whole of history and the universe is steadily moving towards a consumation that He has proposed and nothing can change that. I believe that nothing happens without His knowledge. But the Bible clearly shows that God does not tempt men, nor cause them to sin. How does one explain that within Universalism, which seems to suggest that our every desire is initiated and our every action precipitated by God- regardless of whether it is good or evil?

Thanks

God bless

First of all, I had to exercise a lot of restraint before I typed this.  All directed at this KDK character for submitting a book in a thread!

It seems that Seun might need to introduce some guideliness for the amount of words per post because simple common sense doesn't seem to be prevailing as is evident in this thread. This idiot KDK!  

Why in the world do I have to painstakingly scroll down a 6 Part book on a thread? Don't I want to read someone else's submission?? Oh my God, don't you realise that other people want a space on the thread too? Does KDK really believe that posting all that drivel , crap, nonsesne here will "force" people to read ir?.  Believe me it will have the complete opposite effect.  Aggravating annoying bull shit!! For heaven's sake, either post extracts or post the link!!!!!!!!!

What nonsense! Sometimes I wonder.  

Anyway, ranting aside , TV,  While I understand your openness to things concerning God, I hope you were joking about  seriously considering the bull shite ( yup, I said it) bull shite that KDK posted or that Universalism, a spin off of Humanism has anything to do with true christianity.

In the first paragraph alone the author equates free will to free moral agency when one is completely separate from the other.

This is a very complex theology that you really have to think about openly, study, and eventually the error will break through, as it did when I took on Jen33 about Reincarnation.  

Very subtle and very inviting deception.

TV01:

Sorry to butt in here guys.

Goodguy, true the issue was discussed, but it was never concluded. In post #160 of that thread I queried the fact that an absence of freewill somehow suggested that God was the author of our evil acts. I asked for this to be explaine in the light of universalist doctrine. Nothing ever came back. There were a few more posts and it came to a grinding halt. So I'm happy to meet you back there so as not to derail this thread. Thanks.

Y'all can carry on now!

God bless

Thanks Ref!

goodguy:

By the way, I noticed no one here attempted to answer Groupoint. Incase you missed it, here are the questions he put forward to you guys again: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-37590.0.html#msg886286

Maybe when you answer these, I may begin to reason with you. I hate it when people just draw baseless conclusions from my post and trying to make fun of them without even trying to understand my point.

maybe when you  quit stomping your feet for a moment and set aside ur temper tantrum about no one understanding you, you'll realise that we have answered Grouppoint's questions.

However, I'm quite sure you're still not ready to "reason".

goodguy:

One doesn't need to say anything to God. Why do you people picture the Judgement day as some kind of trial in United States Supreme court of law? God knows the state of heart of everyone and I believe he will judge us with that. I've not been typing Hausa here, madam!

The only reason I'm clarifying this piece of literary obtusiveness is that I don't want to be misrepresented.

Since you can't seem to detect sarcasm, I never said that judgment day was like a trial, because nothing we say can change God's mind at that point.   However I was mocking the fact that you seriously think people who reject christ after they chose to deny him during their lifetime, will somehow have a chance at eternal life when the Bible is clear as to what the requirements are.  

There is a government in heaven.  There is divine law.  And even though the heart of God will be broken, he will do his duty in the capacity of judge to maintain holiness and order in the kingdom of heaven.

goodguy:

As for your sermon on freewill, it will be nice if you transfer that to the right thread. We'll then take it from there.

Okay I've stopped laughing enough at the fact that you think anything I write can be called a sermon (unless you're being sarcastic  ) to say that I'm almost disappointed that you couldn't objectively see as a so called christian that what I said about freewill was true, or perhaps you do and don't want to admit it. Calling freewill defunct.  Shame!  

1 Corinthians 2:14

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

quite entertaining.  your ballyhoo responses almost feign wit,  but unfortunately and expectedly show nothing to disprove our statements.   

by the way, I think the contentions you think you raised were addressed, although again, im sure you're intellectuallyand spiritually incapable of seeing it, hence your silly little ad hominem remark.

hmm. . . no response, interesting.