I assure you, he has another girl. No doubt about it. You should start letting him go from your heart.

@TayoD

Who is  guilty of "murder", the mother-to-be or the doctor? Maybe legally she's guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. 

The legal ramifications fall on the medical practitioner and not the mother of the child and she induces labour herself and aborts the child anyway.

Is legalizing abortion really legalisation of murder or simply a proper, safe medical procedure?  Murder itself is conceived out of hate and rage.

If the mother has already made the decision to abort, and human souls should be valued, moreso those who are unsaved, would it not be better to make it legal so that her life would be saved?

Sin is sin, and I would hate for anyone to die in such a state.

In my opinion, the mother needs to be protected as well.

KDK:

@ Trini_gurl,
I can draw only 3 conclusions from all your comments about kdk:

1. You are either fascinated by the character KDK. or

ummm, no

KDK:

2. He is your worst nightmare. or

not really

KDK:

3. You just want to get his attention.

hmmmm

KDK:

As for number 3, he is already paying it , so enjoy it while it lasts. Take care and pipe down , will you? God bless you

let's discuss this offline

davidylan:

Sometimes we are also guilty of over spiritualisation. God must have had a reason why of all the adults over 20 years of age who came out of Egypt, only 2 made it to the promised land. Would you claim that the 16yr old then was not conceived in sin too?

Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Did Jesus forget that the little children here were also concieved in sin too?

David, are you contending that I am over spiritualizing the so called "age of accountability"? It's quite simple.

Consider that only 2 entered because only 2 were found in obedience to the law instituted at that time.

As I said adamic/imputed sin's penalty which was atoned for by the levitican priesthood, carried a penalty of physical death regardless of age. But under the new covenant of grace, as long as even a child understands the message of salvation he can be saved.

However, we cannot take a firm stance and say that babies go to heaven, since we are all born separated from God.  We can hope and expect that the nature of God allows it.

Not understanding the "issues of life" does not automatically transfer to not knowing right from wrong and/or understanding the gospel (meaning the messages of salvation - redemption to God through Jesus Christ, not the entire new testament ) with the exception of "special" cases of mental retardation.

Since the prerequisite for salvation is faith, infants up to a certain age of cognition cannot understand this, and it may vary from case to case.  The same is not true for an adult who is "immature" or chooses not to believe.

In any event, the debate as to whether infants go to heaven when they die i think, can only be known when we get to heaven, since one can argue that there is a difference between the penalty of inherited sin (from generation to generation)  which is SPIRITUAL DEATH,  adamic sin (from adam to pre Christ) which in old testament times was PHYSICAL DEATH and sinning as a result of hearing the gospel and not believing/accepting, which could be coined as the UNBELIEVER whose penalty is ETERNAL SPIRITUAL DEATH.

Ps. 51:5 — "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Psalm 58:3
Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Rom. 5:14 — "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression."

So since we were born spiritually separated from God and die before reconciliation through Christ to Him, then it can be said our separation remains true after physical death, even as an infant.

However, knowing the nature of God, we can only hope that babies we like to call "innocent" will still enter heaven by his grace, since there is no such thing as an "innocent" baby/infant if we consider what the Bible contains.

6,000!!!!!

Break out the confetti guys! Goodguy is as good as gone! woohoo!!

_{** trini dances around thread in jubilation! ***}

Enjoy your time away goodguy, we'll miss you!

Jehovah Witness self! Every Sunday pressing my intercom and annoying me to come to the front gate

davidylan:

eeerrrmm i guess you missed the part in bold. When the Isrealites where in the wilderness, the cut of age for those who were held accountable for their trangressions was set at 20. please read several instances in Exodus and Numbers where the age was used as the cut off for those who were to be numbered as able to go to war or those who were to perish in the wilderness for their sins.

Today thanks to the fact that kids born today end up getting mature faster than those born in 1930, if you died at 18 without getting saved, you are on your own o.

I have to do some contextual research to verify that. Ididn't miss it, I just couldn't see the relevance of referring to pre new covenant modus operandi. It will be interesting to see what I find on the age of accoutability in the old testament.

The age of accountability today is when you reach the age of cognition where you fully understand the gospel and can make a decision. it can be as early as 12 years old, dependant on the child's ability to understand.

Ndipe:

I like King James Version all the way!!!. I have read from other websites that some of this new Bible editions have edited words from the original King James Version. If there is one Holy Bible version that I would recommend, go with King James Version.

he didnt ask for a recommendation sha, just say what you prefer and why. geez. why get into skepticsms with no proof?
and what makes you think the KJV don't doesn't have "edited words" as well? It's far from the original manuscripts and contains mistakes.

davidylan:

Num 14: 26 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
27 How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me.
28 Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you:
29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward which have murmured against me.
30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.

@ Group point, thanks for your valid question. I must confess that like you when i was much younger i once asked my dad whether babies would go to hell or heaven.
The verse i just quoted gives us a very clear understanding of how God operates. There is definitely an age of accountability, below which God will not hold you guilty for whatever you do as you are not expected to know right from wrong at that age. It is clear that God set the age of [b]20 as the age at which you became accountable for your deeds.[/b]

Is 20 still the age of accountability today? No. In bible days, men were still having kids at 120 today that is not so. Now children of nowadays mature much earlier than the children of 30 years ago so it is likely the age of accountability is now much lower.
to learn and not merely to attempt to show their "superior wisdom".
God bless you.

hold on hold on hold on! wait just a minute here. David, explain to me how you came up with the age of accountability being 20?  So are you saying that if I die at 18 whether or not I am saved I will go to heaven?

What do you understand to be the "age of accountability"?

debosky:

lmao @ trini

Do you do exorcism trini?

lol, debosky this one don pass me o 

it is possible, but leave that discussion for another thread abeg.

I was already called devil incarnate and prostitute for the Pre Marital Sex Is Not Fornication thread , and i don't have the strength for another battle like that just yet.   

Billionaire's Club 1, 2 and 3 - best nigerian movie i've seen in a long time. great filmography, great actors, made the story very believable.  some of these scenes were unnecessarily long tho. like the beginning of part 2, the traditional wedding. i notice this flaw in a lot of nigerian movies.

Face Me I Face You - had me rolling with laughter, that woman will fight the wind if it blew too hard

Selfish Desire 1 and 2 - what a wicked man.

Love Nwantiti - too funny

Valentino

hot-angel:

It gets pretty hot in here, and most people tend to force their beliefs on others, so i try my best to stay away.  I dnt have to find Jesus to come to the religion forum. Religion ain't all about finding Jesus You know?    Besides, you think because i go to the sexuality forum a lot, i didn't have Jesus? It's Interesting the way you see things.

not judging, observing.  out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, the fingers type, you know.   you gravitate to what's in your heart. 

Anyway, I agree with you.  the word of God is clear about idolatry, which is what this crafty deceit encourages.  fanatcism and idol worship.  it's a pity so many christains are falling prey to it.

I like my King James version because that's what I grew up on, but I use the NIV and Amplified when I speak to people or when I post here, it's easier to understand and more applicable to today's world.

But some verses, only the KJV says it in a way that really brings it home.

I wish I could learn Hebrew and Greek and get my hands on those versions.

goodguy:

And since they resorted to ad hominem, I guess the validity of their scripturally supported input has been made clearer to me? I guess Jesus would also do the same, right?

Why do you overlook the responses I gave to these "scripturally supported" posts? Obviously, you guys refused to reason with me, because you believed you had said the final words on the issue, and when I came with my own refutation, the best you could do was to label me a deluded Christian.

Anyway, back to the topic itself. Syrup made a post here (5th paragraph), which I believe, has helped buttress my point further on this issue. She said that her belief in the existence of God is founded on having experienced His power and grace in a very real way. And my question is: What then happens to those who have never had such experiences, despite having just 'heard' the gospel?

goodguy, this is what I was JUST telling you about. habaaaa. have a good break from the forum. *sigh* 

go back and read david and my posts. i don't feel like beating this dead horse anymore. i tire.

goodguy:

With the rate at which we're going, I may possibly exceed 6000 tonight.

I take corrections. Even on this thread, I took corrections from bari_kade. Besides, what you call corrections (if you're referring to David and pataki's inputs), I call them insults. I suggest you read from page 1 to really know how things turned out to how we're seeing it right now.

What you call valid points, I responded accordingly to them. And rather than get further reasonable and maturely presented refutations from the opposing sides, ad hominem set in.

you really like that little ad hominem word don't u. it is like this.  they resort to the "ad hominems" because you refuse to see the vaildity even when it is SCRIPTURALLY support.  so when you do that, just because you like to argue, it gives people the impression that you are deliberately avoiding the truth even when it's in right in front of you, without even considering the possibility that you might be wrong.  you already believe what you want and no one can change your mind, even if you are wrong.  that's the impression.

well, unless we baby you into believing, not rough you up.  but you bring it upon  yourself sha.

5997(fingers crossed) 

so this is what it has come to eh? TV, I thought you were waiting for me to ride shot gun with u on this topic. na wa.
it is ok. you already have 4 players and it seems like you are doing ok on this set.

hot-angel:

I will be back to say more on this topic.

But before i get back, i just want to ask you: Do you guys actually believe that those picture drawn of "Jesus/Mary" is actually How Jesus/mary Looks??

eyah! hot angel?? in the Religion forum?? did you make a wrong turn or are you tired of the Sexuality forum now. na wa o. have you found Jesus?

cute-ass:

@ syrup
i'm right behind you on that, that's some fantastic aguements you got there

If i knew the composer of the silly joke, i'ld have personally sent them to jail for double life imprisonment. How dare they compare the powers of our one and only to a man-found "search" page. Now just like hot-angel said if they use the word god that's alot different than God, they should better start giving honour to whom honour is due.
The earlier they knew that ignorance is a disease, the better for themooo

*prays* please our heavenly father forgive them for they know not what they're doing

it's not a joke, it's a new religion. they have Google Ministers and Google Worshipers. It's just that no one is taking them seriously. Wikipedia refuses to add them because they consider it "patent nonsense"

goodguy:

I appreciate your post trini_girl.  Really, I do.

But the problem I seem to have with you here, and perhaps the other two is the "correction" you're referring to here.  So far, no one has pointed out anything substantial concerning that.

No need to get overtly excited.  "I intend" was what I said.  Things may turn out differently as time goes on.

I was expecting this.  Thanks anyway, though I'm still anticipating David's response.

lol! and i really appreciate you being a good sport about it. 

5995, please don't disappointment me, i already booked the virtual party room and ordered virtual cake and balloons 

is the problem the fact that you can't take correction, or that  you don't like the way we correct you.  are you saying we should be nice and gentle like TV?

because we have all showed you valid points that you refuse or can't receive.

trip dizle:

she didn't give birth to Him supernaturally,it was the Holy Spirit that overshadowed her dere making sure He was not born into sin just like you and me

wrong! his birth WAS supernatural. that's why they call it the "immaculate conception". ne c'est pas?

9ja4eva:

This is nt a useless thread.It is so so educative u know.What have you all learnt now?LOL

yes i agree, it's educational. so far, i have learnt that a large number nigerians on this forum are sexually ignorant, religously deluded, mentally bound people in need of deliverance from the spirit of idiocy when it comes to matters concerning physical intimacy.

"don't kiss me! it's fornication! do you want me to go to hell "

lol

goodguy:

David, I'm wondering: Will an infant go to hell if he/she dies?

wonder not. perhaps David will explain to you the age of accountability when we know right from wrong. i know you won't receive any truth from me.

besides, i read in some silly book somewhere that millions of babies who die are in cribs in a huge warehouse in heaven waiting for their earthly mothers who were saved to be rejoined with them. no worries.

goodguy, grow up (I already know your response "you too trini girl).

your problem is you have too much knowledge and no wisdom. you are guided too much by intellect. we all have to learn how to balance the two.

during your "break from the forum" I hope you consider being less of a bratty whiner, and more of reasonable young man who's willing to take correction.

5994 and counting , _{(*** anticipating goodguy's departure with great joy ****)}

Grouppoint:

LOL.  

God Himself will slap me, if I use Rev King as my own excuse O.

But seriously. There are illiterate people from China to Russia to Katsina that rely on a preacher to read and interprete the word of God to them.
Are we saying that God will hold these innocent people to book if they genuinely believed wrongly?

Somehow, I think not.

groupP,

In such cases, I trust God that the basic truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and how to be saved will reach those incapable of "reading" it for themselves. If these people are taught error apart from that, the Holy Spirit will guide them, but the most important thing is to receive salvation and forgiveness thru christ.  

Remember, to as many as received him to them gave he power to become sons of God, illiterate or scholar.Through his spirit, God communicates error and your own spirit bears witness to what is and is not of Him.

Yes folks! I too thought it was a joke, but apparantly these guys are serious. Being a techie myself, I found it funny, but it's sad at the same time.

"We at the Church of Google believe a convincing argument can be made stating that the search engine Google is the closest mankind has ever come to directly experiencing an actual God (as typically defined). Supernatural gods are rejected on the notion they are inherently unprovable. Thus, Googlists believe Google should rightfully be given the title of "God", as She exhibits a great many of the characteristics traditionally associated with such Deities."

The Church of Google says that Google is God and states the following proofs:-

PROOF #1

Google is the closest to an Omniscient (all-knowing) entity in existence. She indexes over 9.5 billion Web Pages, which is more than any other search engine on the web today. Not only is Google the closest to all-knowing, but She also sorts through this vast amount of data using Her patented PageRank method, making said data accessible for us mere mortals.

PROOF #2

Google is everywhere at once (Omnipresent). Google's search engine is virtually everywhere on earth at the same time. Billions of indexed WebPages hosted from every corner of the earth. With the proliferation of Wi-Fi networks, you will eventually be able to access Google from anywhere on earth, truly making Her an omnipresent entity.

PROOF #3

Google answers prayers. One can pray to Google by doing a search for whatever question or problem is plaguing them. As an example, you can quickly find information on alternative cancer treatments, ways to improve your health, new and innovative medical discoveries and generally anything that resembles a typical prayer. Ask Google and She will show you the way, but showing you is all She can do, for you must help yourself from that point on.

PROOF #4

Google is potentially immortal. She cannot be considered a physical being such as ourselves. Her Algorithms are spread out across many servers; if any of which were taken down or damaged, another would undoubtedly take its place. Google can theoretically last forever.

PROOF #5

Google is infinite. The Internet can theoretically grow forever, and Google will forever index its infinite growth.

PROOF #6

Google remembers all. Google caches WebPages regularly and stores them on its massive servers. In fact, by uploading your thoughts and opinions to the internet, you will forever live on in Google's cache, even after you die.

PROOF #7

Google can "do no evil" (Omnibenevolent). Part of Google's corporate philosophy is the belief that a company can make money without being evil.

PROOF #8

Evidence of Google's existence is abundant. There is more evidence for the existence of Google than any other God worshiped today. Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary proof. If seeing is believing, then surf over to www.google.com and experience for yourself Google's awesome power.


source:  http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html

They also tell you how to become ordained in the Church of Google

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/forum/

KDK:

Lafile,
Thanx Bro, I am still on Nairaland. I am currently in Nigeria and I have had little or not time to be online to write something substantial. Thanx and keep the flame burning. God bless you all.

i am waiting.

_{** sharpening knives in anticipation **}

TV01:

Yes 0! Somebody please query all these posts. This thread is becoming more and more scatalogical

More ad-libbing than at a soul-singers convention !

lol!!

I noticed that too, a sudden influx of scatologists on the Religion forum in general.  Abeg, are they running out of topics to hold their attention in the Romance and Dating forums?

Let me know if this is the new trend so i can stock up on some virtual toilet paper for them from now. 

_{** rolls eyes **}

so this stupid thread is still living. 

re: donnie's post

you know what amazes me about these "christians" TV, it's almost as if they're reading a different Bible.  for some reason i get even more angry at people who misrepresent God because these are the religious fanatics and zealots who mislead and chase people away from christianity.  most of the are just regurgitating catholic teachings.

Nella:

Jesus Christ is God n Mary is his Mother!=Mary is d Mother of God!!
d Angel said 2 Mary: " you're going 2 bear a son n u shal call his name Jesus",
n she did bear d Son which is God! n she absolutely is his Mother! in other words " the mother of God"!!

another blind catholic in denial has arrived with their nonsense! no patience with you people today at all!
did u even READ the thread?

you know I'm watching this crap video again and I'm ashamed that that physician from Trinidad jumped on the bleeding statue bandwagon.

what is the purpose of God allowing statues to bleed, to make more people bow down before false and graven images and worship them in the name of God? why then did Jesus die and his blood was shed ONCE for All! What happened to "blessed are they who have NOT seen and yet believed?" or have we become like those who require a sign to increase our faith?

people can be so gullible and STUPID!!

EVEN IF THIS IS LEGITIMATE, IT'S JUST ANOTHER TRICK OF THE ENEMY TO MISLEAD PEOPLE AND MOVE THEIR FOCUS FROM THE TRUE CHRIST! NOT THE PICTURE, NOT THE STATUE, AND CERTAINLY NOT THE IMAGES OF MARY!

my stomach is turning with disgust! 

nonsense!