Reverend:

I think it is a personal choice and people should be free to decide. There is no rule, just do what you think is right!

If you want to wait then fine, if you do not then that is also fine.

Listen to your inner voice and shut out the sin mongers!

Yes Rev I agree.  But religion has made women victims, and men foolish! God forbid that you give yourself to every man you date, but when your heart tells you it's right then it's your choice. 

The man will take the virginity of 100 women and it's no big deal.  A woman will sleep with one man that she was in love with and committed to, and all of a sudden her virtue is questioned.  she is "defiled".  Rubbish.

Go look up the meaning of the word "defiled" and start thinking for yourself abeg.

I am not talking about empty promiscuous sexual encounters here. Seun is right, sex isn't worth it if there is no emotion or love.

davidylan:

There are some of us who still respect women who hold unto such "fairy tale rubbish".

God bless you. You'd make a man proud someday.

Give me a break! I wonder why people in this day and age still choose to be so hypocritical.

Men would love for every woman to be a virgin so she won't have anyone to compare his inadequacies to  

The unfortunate thing is that men don't realise that sex does not make a woman. It's just a part of her.  A woman who is in touch with her sexuality makes a much better partner.  God help men who complain that all their wife likes to do is lie on her back because anything else will make her a prostitute.  

TV01:

Anyone?

I'll have a sus at it 

If you're looking for someone to say that we have to "strive" meaning struggle and endeavour for material wealth, I won't be the one to take the bait.  However, there are kingdom principles that would make life comfortable for the believer.

Seek first the kingdom of God yes, however the praciticality of it is that we need to work for our money.  There is faith, foolishness and presumption.  In all your getting, get wisdom, get understanding. 

Here are a few scriptures

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Over to you TV 

busygirl:

@trini girl, stick with your belief and stop condemning others about what they feel it's right, If you believe it's right go ahead, it doesn't bother anyone, it's your business!

apparantly the princple of not condemning others only applies for those who share the same views here.

fairy tale rubbish

Rev! So you are back! 

You are welcome! Although I'm not sure if I should applaud or lament.  We shall see.
I share in pataki's sentiment in hopes that the shock therapy treatment you had while you were away has done some permanent good to your cerebral cortex. 

Maybe they know they're endangered now. They're so cute.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybs0eJ3i3FU&mode=related&search=

misright:

There is much disagreement in the church concerning tithes and offerings. There are some evangelists and pastors who will all but promise a 30/60/100 return on your donation. This is total abuse of the trust of all who put their trust in their clergy.

While tithes and offerings are important, God is not going to prosper you for that kind of giving. Your tithe goes towards the salary of your clergy and staff and the operating expenses of the church and property. They are important. Your tithe should be based, not on a flat 10%, but on the performance of your pastor. Like any other business, the better job he does, the more he should be paid.

There is a catch, however. He will not accept part of you. He wants all of you or nothing at all.

See here! Startling astonishingly mind boggling manipulative deluded unscriptural brainwashed error and false teaching in all its shining glory and splendor! 

I'm alarmed at the level of error on this thread!

Melchisidek was the King of Salem, and a pagan priest.


Perhaps Christ was not named a  high priest after the order of Aaron, according to Levitical priesthood because it was pre ordained that Christ would represent the sinner as well as the chosen tribes of Israel.

Christ's lineage was not even from the tribe of Levi, but Judah.

His order was after the order of Melchisedek, the King of Peace, having no mother or father, no royal lineage, but pagan.
Even so, Christ came and became sin, he who knew no sin, and has created a better way.

spoilt:

the way men insist on brides getting pregnant before they can walk down the aisle is alarming. it puts the bride in a predicament which is very embarrasing. churches actually carry out pregnancy tests on the brides.
i once attended a catholic wedding where 8 couples were wedding. all the brides were pregnant. it just wierd! and they were all in white.

oh my god! they were all in white what an abomination? 
pray tell, what happened? did the earth shake as did they spontaneously burst into flames at the alter for such an atrocity?  were they stoned to death by faithful "christians" for being such harlots? Surely it's what they deserve.  I cannot believe they had the audacity to wear WHITE WEDDING GOWNS! how dare they try to do the right thing?

Religion and tradition  is surely the death of true christianity.

Kobe24:

for those whose research or beliefs have landed them to conclude that easter has pagan origins, let them not celebrate.

If by celebrate you mean attend dead ritualist mass and sitting at the feet of a cross to mourn the death of our risen Saviour, then no, I will not "celebrate"

Backslider:

@ Topic

No Holy Church gathering will bless a meeting of fornication.

The bless of the Lord is without sorrow but some have moved into Immorality so as to seek Gods Bless later. He is not deceived and the Standard of the Lord can not be lowered.

Selah

Here we go again.  This fanatic Backslider with the religous spirit.  Sincere but sincerely wrong as usual!

Modern-day Easter is derived from two ancient traditions: one Judeo-Christian and the other Pagan. Both Christians and Pagans have celebrated death and resurrection themes following the Spring Equinox for millennia. Most religious historians believe that many elements of the Christian observance of Easter were derived from earlier Pagan celebrations.

The equinox occurs each year on March 20, 21 or 22. Both Neopagans and Christians continue to celebrate religious rituals linked to the equinox in the present day. Wiccans and other Neopagans usually hold their celebrations on the day or eve of the equinox. Western Christians wait until the Sunday on or after the next full moon.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm

Palm Sunday, Holy Monday - Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Easter Sunday? Where is the scriptural precedent?

Like I wrote in another thread, the counter girl at my DVD club was looking under the weather today.  When I asked her what was wrong she said she was sad because Jesus is going to die tomorrow.   

I went to the DVD club today and the girl at the counter wasn't her usual self. I asked her what was wrong and she said she was sad because Jesus was gonna die tomorrow.

I wonder why religion focuses so much on Jesus' death, and not His resurrection.

In fact, the whole "Easter" thing is just more religous propaganda!
Apart from communion where are we instructed to relive the entire story of the crucifixion year after year. The ridiculous beating of the Judas Iscariot dummy in the street. Men carrying crosses to emulate Christ and flagellating themselves.

What rubbish.

Nothing wrong with remember what Christ did and celebrating his resurrection, we do the same with Christmas, but religous fanatics take it much too far.

Are we really this bored? Shall we keep regurgitating topics that have been covered at length, depth and breadth?

_*yawn*

TV and Tayo, time for another topic.  You guys just like to be at each other's throats always. 

Tayo - stop giving the church this 10%.  It's unscriptural. Finito!

Beyonce 1 & 2 (Ghanaian)

babasin,

I agree with you. Nothing beats practical knowledge born out of trial and error. Especially for something as fussy as Oracle. It makes exams a breeze. Well said.

@ belloti

Is it true that according to Arab war custom during that era, the victor was obligated to give 1/10th of the spoils of war to the king?

If you know, please direct me to a viable source where I can study and verify this fact.

Thanks.

Jen33:

Trini Girl said:


First off I'm a HE not a SHE.

Second, it would help if you address the issues related to the thread rather than highlighting the irrelevant, such as what I 'believe' or don't 'believe'.

Unlike you Christians I choose, as a human being, not to be defined by my ''beliefs'', but by my actions.

I may have over estimated your powers of analogy SIR, otherwise you would have known that our actions are predicative to our beliefs. You may be more like "us Christians" than you care to admit.

As to the issue at hand, it's moot, and I believe I've invested enough time on you on that other thread.

@TayoD again 

Re: Jacob's Tithe

Gen. 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
Gen. 28:21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace--then shall the LORD be my God,

Gen. 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house; and of all that you shall give me, I will surely give the tenth to you.


As TV correctly mentioned, Jacob made a personal, conditional vow to God to give a tenth of his possessions once God met his end of the bargain.  No spoils of war mentioned here. No commandment from God. No similarity.

So how do these two totally different tithes transfer to MANDATORY NT tithing?

Neither of them can be used as an example.

@TayoD

You sent me back to my Bible.  thanks.  

I see your point with regard to this purported pre mosaic law tithe from Abraham. So let's for a moment leave out tithing as it was practised according to the law.

If this is the foundation for your belief that NT tithing is scriptural then please answer these questions.

In Genesis 14, after Melchizidek fed Abraham and his men and blessed him, Abraham[b] chose[/b] to bless the priest with ALL the spoils of war(booty), giving him first dibs on 1/10th of it. It was NOT ABRAHAM'S PERSONAL PROPERTY. This was because he didn't want the king of Sodom to boast of making him rich. How then, do you parallel Abraham giving booty to Melchizedek to MANDATORY new covenant tithe from personal income?

Please don't misquote me.  I never said that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ.  In fact, the more I read, the more questions arise about the god Melchizedek worshipped as a Canaanite and a priest in the city of Sodom.  My opinion of him is changing. Who is this El Elyon (Most High God) that Melchizedek worshipped?

As a Canaanite, it certainly was not Jehovah.  I'm open to correction of course, and I lay no claim to having the indepth theological erudition of TV and yourself, but as I see it, if Melchizedek worshipped a false god, it blows the fallacy of pre law tithing to God out of the water. The more I study, the more I hold the belief that tithing is not NT teaching.

@ all

Smoking marijuana is bad for you. All stupid, juvenille, nasty and disgusting jokes aside. Stop that nonsense right now. Fullstop.

jagunlabi:

I hear that there are two gods in the bible now;OT god and NT god.
So whose word of the two does the bible represent?
Are you confused?Don't worry,it is just religion.

You're the one sounding confused. Who told you that? And why do you believe it? Lucifer was cast out of heaven and he's now called Satan, he's mentioned in the old and new testament. Are there two satans as well? OT satan and NT satan?

that many people have a form of godliness but are really just hiding sin in the dark

Jen!

How now. Long time.

Jen believes in the theory of Reincarnation, just as the ancestors did pre dating the arrival of the "white man". Right Jen?

However, she still can't defend her belief. So instead she chooses to try and derail christianity.

babyosisi:

what else can I say?
Typical!!

Love you too sisi!

Well, I don't know what stimulus is talking about.  If wet weed is weed mixed with crack, it's not the pure herb.
We dont do that in Trini.

babyosisi:

Honey,you happen to be talking in my area of specialty,thank you very much.I have read enough books,more than you can ever imagine and believe me they were not via google.

Well "honey" IF that's true, it says a lot about your ability to understand and your intellect, judging by the level of ignorance you're displaying in your contributions.

babyosisi:

This guy mentioned nothing of medicinal purpose,advice him on recreational weed smoking and if you can't let others do.

"This guy" doesn't even smoke weed. He's just an instigator. He raises threads for a response. He's not serious.
He needs no "advice"