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Workch:
Please kindly show me where I said most scientists are atheists?

The data shows that the more one digs into the ranks of science, the lesser the believe in god prevails.

More science, less beliefs. Most professors and scientists at the top of their science field cadre usually do not believe in god. This is fact

The idea that one shouldn’t take the Noah ark story literally is a deceitful way of covering the loopholes in the story. It’s either the story is false or true and it’s obviously false from a scientific evidence point of view. No mincing words
Most Top scientists cannot believe such stories because it’s contradicts everything we know in science

LordReed:
This is what I dunno why some people have a hard time grasping. Always asking atheists questions on science as if we replace religion with science. I was always interested in science before I even became an atheist.

Workch:
while you stat is correct, In the U.S study conducted among 1000 top science professor shows that 85% of them do not believe in god.
It’s pointer to the fact that the more you do science, the less you disbelieve in the claim of god.

And true, science is neutral but it unintentionally contradicts religion in most cases like cosmology and evolutionary biology.

Studies also shows that more than 90% of top physics professors don’t believe in god.

It’s difficult to reach full potential in quantum physics when you still believe stuffs like the Noah’s ark. That’s utterly ridiculous to even an average scientist.

XXXXTENTACION:
Up till today I still wonder how I never fell despite attending church several times... The stories don't always seem to make sense...

Workch:
Delusions and profound inability to understand statistics/probabilities, science and how the universe works.
This is the reason why the scientific community has more atheists than any other group of people.

XXXXTENTACION:
yeah I used to...
but it was all just playing along not that I truly believe in any of those shits...

XXXXTENTACION:
Well what i really wanted was for you tell me how these religious nutjobs are some kind of special snowfakes...

XXXXTENTACION:
Apart from belief what else...

XXXXTENTACION:
Recently attended a church, and looked at how they behave and I get to wonder what's the difference between religious people and godamn atheists...
Religious people eat normally like atheists,
they shit and Piss like atheists, they fvck like atheists and the die just like the fvcking atheists...
so what makes religious people so goddamn special...

HardMirror:
sir how has any of these nonsenses addressed the main issue in the op. 0please stop derailing this thread if it is beyond your intellectual capacity

hupernikao:
You could also see how HardMirror is shouting daft, daft around, qualifying one who hold a different view from him. He already assumed a position of knowledge while knowing nothing.

hopefulLandlord:
They can't state it that way because it's very possible to follow all road laws and get screwed over by those who don't! a vehicle parts can fail and manufacturers can make a mistake which is why certain cars get recalled I don't see what message you're trying to say here. are you agreeing with me?
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22)

Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20)

Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

(Matthew 17:20 For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.)

hopefulLandlord:
The problem with the examples you gave is that following traffic rules doesn't promise you an accident free life or at least I've never heard ministry of transportation claim that. For the smoking example the word "Liable" is simply "Likely" so they aren't saying you're definitely dying young if you smoke. However I've heard several preachers claim that prayer would definitely work for you. even the holy bible have several verses saying you'd get what you want even if your faith isn't big at all. If we go by conclusion from the bible and preachers who preach with these verses then my premise and conclusion is sound

hopefulLandlord:
if the two premise are agreed to be true then the conclusion would be that you're better off not praying as prayer makes one unfortunate

However I'm curious about what's wrong about these premise of mine

1. Some who prayed and some who didn't died
2. some who prayed and some who didn't survived

conclusion: prayer is useless

LordReed:
See here:



You can see he was quite psychologically affected by the event. He was about to sleep at 3am, meaning he was partially sleep deprived and tired. These conditions could have compounded to make him susceptible.

For Nigerian doctors and suicide see here: https://healthwise.punchng.com/suicide-a-silent-scourge-among-nigerian-doctors/

Scientists don't make those kinds of pronouncements about people without evidence. You can check scientific investigations into NDEs, you won't find that kind of language.

I do have an open mind to the possibility that a soul or whatever exists but I don't see the supporting evidence.

LordReed:
Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

LordReed:
Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

LordReed:
I am not objecting to your explanations but to your use of the phrase "no basis in reality" because it means something else to me that's all.

I agree that it would be incorrect to call what you have described above as hallucinations but this is a different phenomenon from what the doctor describes. Primarily because his is preceded by a traumatic event while your friends' are not. This for me is a key difference. I wish a mental health expert were on NL to explain some of these things better.

Also the smelling of death might have some scientific basis to be considered a natural phenomenon. They have trained dogs that can detect the presence of cancer and some other diseases from smell alone with a surprising degree of accuracy.

LordReed:
I am uncomfortable with the way you use the phrase "no basis in reality". Hallucinations very often are from previous experiences which are of course in reality so for me it is not that hallucinations are not connected to reality but rather that they are not reality. Experiencing something that is not real for me is not the same as "no basis in reality" For me "no basis in reality" would be a delusion not a hallucination.

I would describe reality as the experience of objective manifestations. Objective meaning not exclusively a subjective experience so for instance dreaming, the act of your brain creating scenarios within your mind, is real while the dreams themselves are not.

LordReed:
What is a hallucination because it seems you have a different understanding of it from me.

LordReed:
Why do you think trauma could not have led to it? And really no trauma is ordinary.

What do you mean by not connected to anything real? My name is not real or my father's voice was not real?

LordReed:
Trauma isn't always about terror nor are hallucinations always abstract. I have recurring auditory hallucinations of my dad calling my name. This began when I was a kid and he was still alive, now that he is dead, I still have them the exact same way.

His description of the events show that he was quite distrssed by the circumstances of the lady's death. This is the trauma. Look up the meaning of trauma, its not about terror primarily but distressing or disturbing events.

Like I said this isn't PTSD rather a post traumatic stress event. Hopefully it is singular and not recurring.

LordReed:
My personal opinion is visual and auditory hallucination by reason of post traumatic stress. This kind of scenario was highlighted by the PTSD Vietnam war vets suffered in the aftermath of their participation. Of course this is isn't PTSD yet but if he continues having those audio-visual hallucinations then he probably has PTSD.

duketunde:
"I encountered the ghost of a dead woman yesterday night/early hours of this morning. Remembering it still sends chills across my body.
Personally, I don't believe in ghosts. I know that it is appointed unto men once to die, and after that, judgment follows. I said let me tell you, to hear your opinion. I don't know who else to confide in about this. I'm a doctor. I can't be telling stories about ghosts online. No one will believe it. I'll sound insane.

Yesterday night that brought in today, I took call for a colleague who was having menstrual pain. She begged me to do the call for her. Then, a woman was brought in with what I suspected to be post surgical sepsis. The op site was soaked with effluent from the wound. The surgery was done at State Specialist Hospital three days prior to presenting to us. Her temperature read "Hi" on the thermometer, which means her body was so hot that the thermometer could not record it. I called my seniors who were in theatre then, told them what I have with me in the emergency, and I took instructions from them. I secured IV access. I gave 2g of IV cefriaxone (Rocephin brand) stat, and IV Flagyl 500mg stat. She was going. I called my seniors again and told them temperature is not coming down after one hour. I was told to give IV PCM 600mg stat. I then reopened the wound, washed with NS, and redressed with savlon and povidone iodine.

She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad. Did you know, this woman followed me home. I was shocked when I felt there was someone looking at me from my window. My body was shaking. I've never believed in ghosts, but she came to my window and stood there, with same clothes she was wearing when she was brought in. She said why did I allow her to die. I was lost for words for a moment, thinking I was dreaming. But damn, it wasn't a dream. I just drank coke from the fridge few minutes ago. I rebuked her in Jesus' name, telling her I did my best. I told her to go back to where she came from. She stood there for a while, looking at me, then turned and walked away. I heard her footsteps as she walked away. I didn't sleep again till morning. I opened the fridge and took out coke and drank, to be sure I was not dreaming, then started praying in tongues to control the fear in my heart."

What can be a reasonable explanation for this?

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CanadaOrBust:
True. Either way, he was pulling your leg

CanadaOrBust:
He’s a well-known atheist being sarcastic. He was pulling your leg

AntiChristian:
An advice is meant to be accepted or rejected. Freewill.

AntiChristian:
Look for your benefits elsewhere.

AntiChristian:
They're idolatrous.