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Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 12:34pm On Nov 16, 2021

LordReed:
Doctors still get traumatised, they have some of the highest suicide rates of any profession.

I don't notice anything unusual before or after. I am usually involved in one task or activity or the other, could be reading, could be playing, could even be during a conversation. Also my dad would be nowhere in the vicinity and most times he wasn't even in the house.

Hallucinations are triggered by various things like lack of sleep, stress, drugs, trauma, etc. The doctor could have been affected by a combination of stress, lack of sleep and trauma.

I don't think it's that science isn't interesting in studying it rather the sample sizes are so small it's hard to develop reliable methodologies for a proper study. I mean how many people have you encountered with these abilities you mentioned?

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 12:14pm On Nov 16, 2021

LordReed:
I am not objecting to your explanations but to your use of the phrase "no basis in reality" because it means something else to me that's all.

I agree that it would be incorrect to call what you have described above as hallucinations but this is a different phenomenon from what the doctor describes. Primarily because his is preceded by a traumatic event while your friends' are not. This for me is a key difference. I wish a mental health expert were on NL to explain some of these things better.

Also the smelling of death might have some scientific basis to be considered a natural phenomenon. They have trained dogs that can detect the presence of cancer and some other diseases from smell alone with a surprising degree of accuracy.

I don't want to accept that a medical doctor whose training has already desensitized him to those kind of incidents would be so traumatized to the extent you explained.

It doesn't follow at all. .I think you're seeing the doctor as every other average person out there and using it to judge his
reaction. Doctors have the special training to make them not to overreact to those kind of situation.

Go though the story again and see that he wasn't as much disturbed as you want anyone to believe.

The incident does not match your interpretation of his reaction. If he was so disturbed as you claim, he wouldn't have had the presence of mind to do other things to ensure he wasn't dreaming .What he did by opening his fridge to get a bottle of coke wasn't instinctive but a deliberate way of ensuring one is still "here" whenever you think you're hallucinating .That is a very significant part of the story which you're not paying much attention to and it is the evidence he was not just "seeing things" It completely removes any idea of hallucination from the story.

James Randi does the same by looking at his wristwatch intermittently to be sure that all thats happening around him whenever he is having one of his debunking sessions is still the normal world. Go an check out some of his videos to confirm.

The image that stood at window of the doctor said something that matches what transpired at the emergency unit . This shows that the two events are strongly linked. What appears to be an image from hallucinating is strongly connected to a real event that just happened.

Just like my friend's, they smell something and the confirmation of why they have the smell , is what happens after. Even though their's doesn't happen exactly in the same sequence as that of the doctor, we can still see a connection .

In your own case of hearing your father's voice, theirs no such link to an external event happening before or after.

What do you normally observe before and after you hear the voice of your late father? I already asked this question before but you didn't answer.

If yours doesn't connect with something that others can verify, then it is all in your head. That is hallucination and it is what I mean
by your experience having "no basis in reality"

Dogs that can sniff out drugs concealed in traveling bags are able to do so, due to the special ability they have. Not every dog has this ability.

And just like those sniffer dog,, I strongly believe, based on some of the things I have personally experienced in the past, some people are gifted with the special ability to see things that others can't perceive.

In addition, there is always something that act as triggers for these people to see. If science can identify what triggers this ability, I am sure we would be having a better explanation in the future for some of these things some people are quick to dismiss as hallucination.

But the problem now, is that those in the main body of science are just not interested in investigating any of this phenomenon hence
most people are confused and not knowing what to make of it all . Some people even deny that they have these experiences due to ridicule or that no one would believe them.

Fortunately for me , I have met with people who are willing to share their experiences with me So I am home with them. Nothing surprises me If you're the kind of person who critized this sort of experiences, no body tells you anything. Even if your wife has the ability she won't open up to you once she knows you would never believe her. That is it . one just need to keep an open mind in order to be aware of things happening around you.

I am not suggesting supernatural in all of my explanations. Not at all. What some people consider as supernatural are things we are yet to have rational explanation for

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 10:45pm On Nov 15, 2021

LordReed:
I am uncomfortable with the way you use the phrase "no basis in reality". Hallucinations very often are from previous experiences which are of course in reality so for me it is not that hallucinations are not connected to reality but rather that they are not reality. Experiencing something that is not real for me is not the same as "no basis in reality" For me "no basis in reality" would be a delusion not a hallucination.

I would describe reality as the experience of objective manifestations. Objective meaning not exclusively a subjective experience so for instance dreaming, the act of your brain creating scenarios within your mind, is real while the dreams themselves are not.

May be it is my fault I have not made my self clear enough. But if you don't ignore the instances I used in my explanation, then it would be clear to you.

Here is another one. I have a Friend who smells death. Honestly, I don't feel too comfortable knowing this about him.

This is what happens. Each time someone is to die within his compound or anywhere he lives, he always not usually, perceive the smell of formaline.And from that day until some days or about a week later, someone dies. Would you describe his experience as hallucination since it connects with something real happening?. It is call olfactory hallucination but is that enough to explain it all?

Another one , I had a girlfriend in the past who had the strange ability of smelling me before she meets with me physically . I was in Warri then and she lives in Benin. Anytime I am in Benin, she would call even when I never let her know I am around. Initially, I thought someone was letting her know whenever I came to town.

But there was I time I travelled to ghana from Warri. As the vehicle I boarded got to Benin,on my way to ghana, my phone started to ring and it was her. I was in Ghana for some months. After some period of time, I stopped calling her. So for about a month plus no contact.

Then , I was returning after that period and didn't call to inform her of my movement. I got to Nigeria late at night and by morning was off to Warri. As I got to Benin by Ring road, she called. Ha . I said to myself something is going on that I need to know.

A week later I traveled to Benin. Met with her and finally found out from her, she could smell me whenever I am close just like my friend who smells death. Would you describe her experience as hallucination too?

I am not anti science. Science at the moment ,doesn't have explanation for everything. That is not to say that we should just accept any nonsense or story that anyone brings..
But using one explanation (hallucination) for everything becuase science says so would not make it possible to know exactly why some people have these kind of experiences as I have described.

There's a difference between your own experience and those I described above. It is not the same. The op experience is alao not the same as yours and I have explained that already.

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 8:34pm On Nov 15, 2021

LordReed:
What is a hallucination because it seems you have a different understanding of it from me.

Hallucination is defined as experiences which appears real. Appears real means it has no basis in reality.

Lordreed, what is reality ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 8:06pm On Nov 15, 2021

LordReed:
Why do you think trauma could not have led to it? And really no trauma is ordinary.

What do you mean by not connected to anything real? My name is not real or my father's voice was not real?

The doctor was in a normal state of mind since he had the presence of mind to open his fridge to pick a bottle of coke to be sure he was not dreaming

And by the way a medical doctor should know better.

Now, what I actually mean about your experience having no connection to reality is this;

If at those times when you usually hear your father calling, you later get to confirm that he has been trying to reach you or was about to call you for something, then your experience is connected to reality.

In your case, have you ever experienced that? You get to confirm your dad was about to call you later?

Some persons have reported having a late parent appearing after death to inform them about something which they later verify to be true.

For instance, your late father appearing to you in what appears to be a dream or trance ,to inform you that one of his friends who owe him some money while he was still alive is coming the next day to payback the money.

Then tomorrow comes, the said friend brought the money to you. Would you then describe your experience as hallucination?

People have had such experiences and still do. I myself have had such an experience before but it is not something I feel going back to because it brings some uncomfortable memories tied to that period.

So there's a difference between what is hallucination and some "real "experiences that lots of people not understanding it mistake for hallucination as in the case of the op. That is certainly not hallucination . It is something science may be able to explain better someday.

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 6:58pm On Nov 15, 2021

LordReed:
Trauma isn't always about terror nor are hallucinations always abstract. I have recurring auditory hallucinations of my dad calling my name. This began when I was a kid and he was still alive, now that he is dead, I still have them the exact same way.

His description of the events show that he was quite distrssed by the circumstances of the lady's death. This is the trauma. Look up the meaning of trauma, its not about terror primarily but distressing or disturbing events.

Like I said this isn't PTSD rather a post traumatic stress event. Hopefully it is singular and not recurring.

I don't think ordinary trauma could have led to that experience if not nearly everyone would be seeing ghost

As for the voice of your dad, it is hallucination because it doesn't connect to anything real in your life. That's what separates hallucination from some strange experiences that can't be rationally explained.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 5:54pm On Nov 15, 2021

LordReed:
My personal opinion is visual and auditory hallucination by reason of post traumatic stress. This kind of scenario was highlighted by the PTSD Vietnam war vets suffered in the aftermath of their participation. Of course this is isn't PTSD yet but if he continues having those audio-visual hallucinations then he probably has PTSD.

I don't see anything terrifying in the experience the doctor had with the patient when she was battling to stay alive that could have led to PTD

Such incidents are not uncommon for a medical doctor to experience

Hallucination?

Well , hallucinatory experiences have no basis in reality or no connection at all. But in the above story there appears to be a strong connection between what happened in the emergency ward and the dead woman later appearing to him .

At the ward, she pleaded not to be allowed to die and later appeared at the window after death, to ask him, why did you allow me to die? This is not how hallucination goes. Or is the story not true? It doesn't appear so.

A medical should be in a better position to know if it was hallucination or not. And besides, I dont think PTD would ust disappear without any form of therapy

Christianity Etc › Re: Traumatized Nigerian Doctor Shares His Experience With A Ghost by triplechoice(m): 4:45pm On Nov 15, 2021

duketunde:
"I encountered the ghost of a dead woman yesterday night/early hours of this morning. Remembering it still sends chills across my body.
Personally, I don't believe in ghosts. I know that it is appointed unto men once to die, and after that, judgment follows. I said let me tell you, to hear your opinion. I don't know who else to confide in about this. I'm a doctor. I can't be telling stories about ghosts online. No one will believe it. I'll sound insane.

Yesterday night that brought in today, I took call for a colleague who was having menstrual pain. She begged me to do the call for her. Then, a woman was brought in with what I suspected to be post surgical sepsis. The op site was soaked with effluent from the wound. The surgery was done at State Specialist Hospital three days prior to presenting to us. Her temperature read "Hi" on the thermometer, which means her body was so hot that the thermometer could not record it. I called my seniors who were in theatre then, told them what I have with me in the emergency, and I took instructions from them. I secured IV access. I gave 2g of IV cefriaxone (Rocephin brand) stat, and IV Flagyl 500mg stat. She was going. I called my seniors again and told them temperature is not coming down after one hour. I was told to give IV PCM 600mg stat. I then reopened the wound, washed with NS, and redressed with savlon and povidone iodine.

She was a Yoruba Christian. She was praying, holding my hands, saying that I should not let her die, that she still has little children at home. She then started behaving abnormally, talking irrationally and screaming, also convulsing intermittently.
At this point, I called a senior who came in, assessed her and told me privately that she won't make it. He told me to continue masterly activity which I did.

She finally died after few hours she was brought in. I certified her dead in her file, disconnected all life support, and went to my house to sleep around 3am when the call got less busy. I was weak and sad. Did you know, this woman followed me home. I was shocked when I felt there was someone looking at me from my window. My body was shaking. I've never believed in ghosts, but she came to my window and stood there, with same clothes she was wearing when she was brought in. She said why did I allow her to die. I was lost for words for a moment, thinking I was dreaming. But damn, it wasn't a dream. I just drank coke from the fridge few minutes ago. I rebuked her in Jesus' name, telling her I did my best. I told her to go back to where she came from. She stood there for a while, looking at me, then turned and walked away. I heard her footsteps as she walked away. I didn't sleep again till morning. I opened the fridge and took out coke and drank, to be sure I was not dreaming, then started praying in tongues to control the fear in my heart."

What can be a reasonable explanation for this?

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@ Lordreed, what's your take on the above?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 9:23pm On Nov 14, 2021

CanadaOrBust:
True. Either way, he was pulling your leg

How was he pulling my leg?

Antichristian is Muslim and nearly everyone one this board knows this to be true. You need to go through is profile to confirm

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 7:36pm On Nov 14, 2021

CanadaOrBust:
He’s a well-known atheist being sarcastic. He was pulling your leg

Not true.

He is not an atheist but a Muslim

Christianity Etc › Re: “all Expensive Schools Owned By Churches Are Satanic And Unbiblical” — Evangelis by triplechoice(m): 11:34am On Nov 14, 2021

I had a discussion recently with a devoted Christian who complained bitterly how his former church deceived the members into contributing both money and time into building a school that most members can now not afford to send their children to.

He told me that before the project started, the pastor sweet talked them into it one Sunday morning after service.

They where told that most public and private schools have teachers who are not Christians. So it is dangerous to allow such people train their wards as they can corrupt them.

Also, the pastor said that most chridren attending these non Christian schools have parents who are cultists and witches

So to prevent their children from being initiated, it is very important they have their own school with God fearing teachers and pupils

With this ,every member became actively involved in the school project.

But after the school was built, the school fees made it practically impossible for most members to enroll their wards.

The irony now, is that it is children of non members, " cultists and witches" who can afford the fees that mostly attend the school.

Most of the church members who can't afford the school fees continue to have their wards attending those other schools the MOG already condemned.

Now, the purpose for which the school was bulit has been defeated. But the pastor no longer cares.

So ,at that point, the person narrating this to me ,said he had no choice but to leave not because he could not afford the fees for his own children but for the deceit involved in the whole thing. .

This story is the same everywhere.

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 8:56am On Nov 14, 2021

AntiChristian:
An advice is meant to be accepted or rejected. Freewill.

When you don't know what you're advising on?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 8:52am On Nov 14, 2021

AntiChristian:
Look for your benefits elsewhere.

Who are you to tell me ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 8:38am On Nov 14, 2021

AntiChristian:
They're idolatrous.

How does that prevent anyone from enjoying the benefits from practicing the yoga exercises?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 8:26am On Nov 14, 2021

AntiChristian:
Running away from water means I support them.

You said if yoga is Hindu, people should run from it

Why?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 7:46am On Nov 14, 2021

AntiChristian:
If Yoga is Hindu then you need run from it.

What about those who worship three in one gods?

Why don't you run away from drinking water since some people worship it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yoga Is A Dangerous Spiritual Discipline Christians Must Avoid by triplechoice(m): 7:44am On Nov 14, 2021

As long as you don't focus on any image of a deity while practicing ,there's nothing wrong in yoga body exercises and its breathing and meditations techniques.

Christianity Etc › Re: Karma Is False by triplechoice(m): 5:01pm On Nov 09, 2021

budaatum:
It was his parent's fault, apparently.
For anyone interested.

https://www.nairaland.com/6839021/furrrk-parents#107435406

Seen that . I am afraid he has some issues.

I just sent you a mail

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Christianity Etc › Re: Karma Is False by triplechoice(m): 4:10pm On Nov 09, 2021

budaatum:
Despite all my encouragement, lol.

What happened? Did he not go to Asaba?

He didn't show up and I think the job has been taken by another.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Karma Is False by triplechoice(m): 4:02pm On Nov 09, 2021

budaatum:
If I don't get off my lazy ass my karma would never get me to Asaba! It would in fact keep me wailing where I am stuck!

Given up on him. Tried my best.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Deistic God Might Exist But There Are Numerous Evidence Against Theistic Gods. by triplechoice(m): 11:55am On Nov 09, 2021

@folykaze, please ignore him.

Just imagine the kind of reply you got from asking a simple and straightforward question

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 10:16am On Nov 09, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Res ipsa loquitor.

Ur head dey shake

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 8:08pm On Nov 08, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
A Thing is Only True if it survives the Fire of Scrutiny and Due Examination.

That's what I am here for. So go cry privately that your belief is unfounded and that none of you could even validly defend it.

What is this unfounded belief you think I have?

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 5:32pm On Nov 08, 2021

FOLYKAZE:
1. That which you called pure energy is known as the cosmic singularity called Eledumare of Yoruba spiritual system. Same is known as Shakti in Hindi philosophy.

2. Physics may not have explanation for it. Admitted! We just need to look beyond material physics and take a leap into quantum physics and spirituality.

Here goes the question:

Knowing that what some of these spiritualist call God is that pure energy you admitted truly exist, would you still deny the existence of God?

Actually, the breakaway line between me and you depends on how we define the word God.

Very good question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 5:25pm On Nov 08, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
That's why I said plus or minus in the distance between Calabar and PH, taken account that it is a straight line, therefore, a binoculars would still not see it. because plus or minus the distance is still above 100km.

Secondly, you have now shifted post for you came in taking me on on how a binoculars works between Calabar and PH, and not on Telescope.

It was a trap set against the op to show the weakness and unnatural truth of his presentation .

You brought in the binoculars to distract. It wasn't a trap.

You're known to always come up with unrelated and nonsensical arguments each time you discuss.

Na ur way be dat

Health › Re: My Near-Death Experience At Radisson Blu Hotel In Lagos By Victor Asemota by triplechoice(m): 2:24pm On Nov 08, 2021

Most Nigerians don't consider the consequences of the action they take

. Since we believe in God , evil won't be our portion.

So, we have the license to misbehave

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Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 1:32pm On Nov 08, 2021*

Dtruthspeaker:
Truly, I know, however the longest range of a binoculars is 100km and Calabar to Portharcourt is 231km+-, so I'm in line for now.

You're not exactly in line. The distance you have given is from where in calabar ?

Modified. But Telescope is what the op focused on. Why bring in binoculars?

Christianity Etc › Re: Mildred Okonkwo: You Can't Be Angry At Pastors Flying Jets by triplechoice(m): 1:14pm On Nov 08, 2021

sarris:
For those of you complaining about pastors flying private jet, do you also complain about your politicians that steal and is still stealing your common wealth?

People also complain about them too. But whether we complain or not, the politicians and the pastors who take advantage of their gullible members to enrich themselves are
both parasites that live off on the resources of others

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Christianity Etc › Re: Mildred Okonkwo: You Can't Be Angry At Pastors Flying Jets by triplechoice(m): 12:58pm On Nov 08, 2021

Why is she seriously concerned that members are angry if those pastors are actually doing the right thing?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 8:55am On Nov 08, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
What kind of foolish goat are you! We have powerful binoculars which could not see Portharcourt Beach from Calabar, or from Rivers to Bayelsa, how do you then imagine that A One Eye Ocular Scope would be able to see the beginning or end of this field surrounding the earth which we call Universe?

Since you love being stupid, as is your right, and you choose to listen to Liars, as is your right, keep your stupidity to yourself and do not invite others to it.

You don't know how binoculars work.

If there's nothing to obstruct your view from where you're standing in calabar, you can view the beach in port Harcourt

Christianity Etc › Re: Your Question Answered: What Came Before The Big Bang? by triplechoice(m): 8:41am On Nov 08, 2021*

Workch:
In physics, it’s illogical to ask “what came before the Big Bang”. Scientifically, there’s no “before” the Big Bang. You are not allowed to asked that question in physics because it doesn’t make any sense.

This might confuse you but ask a physicist then he will tell you why that question doesn’t make sense

You comment is not relevant. Anyone who has read the op and understand it very well shouldn't be asking that kind of question.

Naijasatanist has given a very simple and clear explanation that even a child in primary school should understand

Christianity Etc › Re: Karma Is False by triplechoice(m): 8:17pm On Nov 06, 2021

Niflheim:
Believing in Karma is like believing that if you live by the sword, you will die from the sword!!!

PURE BULLSHIT!!! That is a fairytale!!!

What you describe up there is not karma but the law of Moses in the Christian Bible. Karma is a Sanskrit word which simply means "action" or "deeds" .Don't be hung up on the word , karma. You can use your own word in your local language to describe the same thing.

Karma has nothing to do with belief. It simply means the effects of the actions you take which could be good or bad. No god or entity punishes any one with karma.

If you constantly act in a dishonesty manner to people close to you, after some time, no body wants to do anything serious with you because they can no longer trust you. People not wanting to do anything with you is the karma you suffer for your previous acts of dishonesty

Karma is also the reason you're able to read my response to your comment. If you didn't go to school to learn how to read you wouldn't have reaped the karma of literacy.

The owner of the building that collapsed in Lagos recently, was unfortunate to have been in the building when it came down. The collapse of the building was the result of an action taken in the past. Karma did not punish the man but figuratively we can say it did. When people say you're being punished by karma they dont mean it literarily

Those who think karma is punishment from a god are people with limited information about what it represent

Karma makes you to act with more responsibility since it makes you to always consider the possible effect of whatever actions you are about to take.

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