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Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 9:00pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
A mind has to be programmed to generate information: I agree.

But you asked me a question "if I have casted out a demon from a non christian"
Thius answers your question.
What do you understand about how minds are preprogrammed. You think it is something that happens only consciously.

If you're not a Christian, and you live amongst Christians your mind can be preprogrammed to start accepting Christianity. It doesn't have to happen consciously by someone preaching to you.

If you have delivered a non Christian, was it a random stranger who did not first agree to deliverance and submitted to you? You still don't get me.

Please let's end this . I am t not rying to force you to accept anything. I am only responding to your comment as they come.

Your experience is the only thing that can convince you. But that would be when you know what to look out for.

You can't know the truth about anything by focusing on one aspect of it.

Goodnight
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 8:03pm On Sep 30, 2021
Ayo081:
Believe it or not. This shit happens.
You don't believe?
Go on Reddit and search for the demons channel. People summon this things.

Stay close to God and your bible (have it around where you sleep).
Your latest comment shows fear. Fear is the meat of "demon" possession
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 8:01pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
Let's assume my mind tricks me into believing that I am casting out demons, is the mind of the demonized ALSO tricking him?

Does the mind of the demonized make them cook up fantastic stories about their lives and speak in third person to themselves?
I already explained the above when I said the mind will create effect from whatever it accepts as truth.. The human mind is extremely powerful.

The mind functions in two modes, the conscious and the unconscious. The later is responsible for most of your unconscious habits and other things you cannot even fathom..

The day you realise the truth of how your mind truly works is the day you begin to ensure no nonsense enters it and remain.. This the reason I said you're abusing the minds of the people you claim to be delivering.

The people you "deliver " are already preprogrammed to react that way .

And it begins from the impression and believes projected into their minds from people around them.

Once they accept , at the unconscious level, all of this impression coming into their minds they automatically become susceptible to any command from you to make them start misbehaving and acting as if possessded
by demons. That's how it works..

Those who reject or dont accept those impressions coming into their minds will not react . I am sure there are times you must have encountered those who don't respond as you expect no matter what you do

There are valid resources on the net to help you know more. You can search for them.

Or you begin from former deliverance minister near you to ask them questions why they stopped so you can have a balanced perspective on things.

As it is now ,you only know one side of the story and that's what you're holding on to.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 7:16pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
I still wish you had your own experience rather than rely on the experience of others.
Let's assume that (for the sake of argument)
1. 50% of Deliverance ministers believe in casting out demons
2. 50% of former Deliverance ministers have explained the phenomenon away as a psychological phenomenon
(Even though, I will say that 80% of deliverance ministers believe they deal with ACTUAL demons.)

Who should you believe?

My argument is : Until you have your own experience, it is useless using the report of others (especially minority reports) as evidence of truth.
I have had my own experience which you don't know , if not ,I won't discuss the matter.

The only reason I am referring you to others, is for you to know I am not the only one .

Go first and understand how your mind works so you understand all I have been saying.

You have not responded to any explanation I have given concerning how your mind can trick you to think you're casting out demons which shows everything I have said is lost on you.

Modified. Everyone believing in something doesn't make it true so your percentages are irrelevant
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 6:09pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
Have you ever cast out a demon from anyone?

*Trust me, every true Christian can do so.
Why don't you have your own experience: then you will be eminently qualified to make a distinction between spirits.

But for now, you speak only hear-say as if it is the TRUTH!
Shalom
I ask you again, how do you know I have not done more than what you think you're currently doing ?


So you don't know that there former Christians out there who have abandoned the nonsense you're currently doing ?

This is the Internet. Do a search and come back and tell me your findings.

I hope your world don't come crashing down when you read their stories.

The scripture you quoted ,I know is the foundation for your belief.

Permit me to address it now.

The Bible contains , if you don't know , things that people believed in the past which were not true.

For instance, people during the bible times believed in a flat earth and also that the sun moves around to cause night and day.

It was for this reason "scientist" of those times created the story of Joshua to make people accept as fact what they knew about the earth as at that time.

Just like the Joshua example , there was also a time people believed that demons inhabit people and to make this idea find acceptance in the minds of people, the story of Jesus casting out demons was invented.

There lots of instance in the bible which I can reference to make you understand and know more about what I just explained. But the two is enough for now.


Now the question is , what causes what you're doing to appear real to you? (The casting of demons.)

The answer is ,your mind is creating the illusion.

The human mind has the capacity to create effect from whatever it accept as truth. If it is made to accept a lie as truth, it will create effect from it.

When you don't know how the human mind works, what I have been explaining won't make any sense to you. So get yourself informed

I hope one day, you find out the truth yourself and stop abusing the minds of others in the name of delivering them from demons that , sorry to say, only exist in your head and in the heads of those you have infected with the false belief.

Final question,

Have you ever commanded a demon to come out of non Christian who does not believe in the demon possession?
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 4:13pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
I honestly wish you had your own FIRST_HAND experience rather than speaking like you used to be a deliverance minister.

Since you know that spirits exist:
What is your impression about these scriptures
Lk11:14-15
14 Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. 15 But some of them said, “By Beelzebul, the prince of demons, he is driving out demons.”
Lk11:24-16
24 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25 When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.”
Mark5:6-10
6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.


Figments of imaginations?
How do you know what I have experienced?

And how does the above scripture explain spirit husband?

You just confirmed what I said before now. Did you take time to read my first response to the op?

It's obvious you did not.

Please, believe all you want . I am not interested in dragging this matter further with you. The day you meet with those who have abandoned what you're currently doing , then you will know the truth and do the same except the fake deliverance is your only source of income.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 3:11pm On Sep 30, 2021
TenQ:
You speak like you've explored ALL there is and find out spirit beings don't exist.

A spirit spouse is simply one who has a possessive claim to a person especially if the demon has an opposite gender.
The nomenclature is NOT as important.

Demons don't just jump into people
Demons operate best in a covert state
The degree of possessiveness of demons and their strength in a person vary wildly

Demonic infection exists in EVERY culture and tribe in the world.
Horror movies is the WORST depiction of demonization of a person
I never said spirit beings don't exist. I only said the concept of spirit husband is a lie.

As for your other comments, this is what I have to tell you, make sure you know exactly what your talking about and not just what you read somewhere , watch in movies and from hearsay.


Demons don't possess people. What you think is demon possession is caused by something you're unaware of.

Pentecostal churches are the ones promoting these nonsense. The Catholic church has abandoned such practices of exorcism because they now know better.

If any catholic member , not those in the charismatic movement , approaches a priest who is welll informed, for deliverance, the person would be advise to go for mental evaluation in a psychiatric hospital before anything.

Most people who take this advise never return because they get to know after a session with a mental health practitioner that their problem is not caused by demons but is simply psychological. But some people don't want to be caught visiting a psychiatric hospital and so they run to your Pentecostal churches for deliverance which doesn't stop whatever they are experiencing

I know of some persons who for years have been running from church to church looking for the most powerful man of god to deliver them but without any success.

You can argue all you like but I just hope one day you come a cross a former deliverance minister in some of these Churches to let you know why he or she has abandoned what they were doing before.. Then you will get to know the truth
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Know A Spirit Can Possess You? by triplechoice(m): 11:43am On Sep 30, 2021
A lot of young ladies go about with their hair uncovered and body parts exposed due to scanty dressing.

If it were true they can be possessed by that, then we would have been seeing lots of them displaying the same sort of behavior as the lady in the op.

The concept of spirit wife and spirit husband is gotten from traditional African religion. It is a false belief which our primitive forbears used in the past as explanation for certain strange phenomenon they could not explain.

The whites dont have this sort of experience (spirit husband or wife)
simply because it was never part of anything that they believed in the past or even now.

The human mind is extremely powerful. It is capable of creating effect from whatever it is made to accept as truth. Most people are ignorant of this fact ,hence , they are easily taking advantage of.

The sad thing is that some ignorant people posing as men of God, in this part of the world, are still promoting the false idea of spirit husband or wife and conducting fake deliverance sessions which does not work.

This fake deliverance has left most of these desperate ladies
seeking for husbands disconsolate and depressed because after everything they were made to go through during such sessions and the money taken away from them in the form of sowing dangerous seed to God, nothing has changed.

And another unfortunate thing, is that after a time, due to the fact that they have completely accepted this lie, some of them start acting irrationally because they are now certain that they are possessed by a demon which is simply not true.



The lady in the op, I believe, is a victim of this. She may have been exposed to this idea either in the church or from people around her and the result is what is described.


Pastors who use this to scam their members , begin by preaching on the pulpit that any lady who is finding it difficult to get married has a spirit husband . Some of them even go to the extent of conducting fake deliverance session to cast out imaginary spirit husband right in front of their congregation and sadly enough, sometimes kids or very young persons of impressionable age are also part of those watching.

Then the members , after watching the fake deliverance nonsense, go home beleiving that there is something like spirit husband or spirit wife or that people can easily be possessed by demons.

And later , when some of the ladies or young persons who have been indoctrinated by the fake display find it difficult to get married or are having other strange experiences they can't understand and explain , which may be normal, they wrongly think it is caused by spirit husband or a demon. The immediate reaction is to run with fear in their hearts back to the same person who has indoctrinated them with this false idea in order to get delivered .

But after deliverance ,nothing changes because it is a scam.There's no invisible man stopping them from getting married.

The concept of spirit husband is not in the Bible or part of Christianity and so why are Christians made to believe in something that is not true?
Christians are not the only ones in this part
to believe this. Everyone else seems to and it is for this reason most find it difficult to shake themselves of it.

The solution is to know that there's nothing like spirit husband or wife preventing you from getting married and also to avoid persons who believe in it or places where such nonsense is believed or preached, if not, one can be dragged into it unconsciously and you start having strange experiences which would then make you think it is real.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 5:59pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
Don't mind me jare. Sometimes I just like to catch cruise with ignorant people.
Using labels to describe people when it doesn't really describe them only shows the kind of person you are.

So far you have not been able to prove any superior intellect other than to engage in self deception.

Those who don't know anything or have limited knowledge are quick to label others as ignorant while those who truly know are loath to do so because they know that inspite of what they think they know they can't know it all.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m):
Elanozy:
Off course

That it is a coincidence doesn't mean it is a reason why anything happens


But the person you are quoting is addicted to twisting , diverting and turning statements upside down
I almost forgot he is in the habit of twisting and turning in order to create confusion in ones mind so you don't pin him down on anything.
Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 4:52pm On Sep 28, 2021
budaatum:
I think you are getting hung up on words. Luck and coincidence are simply human explanations and rationals, and may indeed be occurrences that have actual causes that are not known.

If I apply for a job and get called for an interview, it would be a coincidence if, unbeknown to me, the interview would be conducted by a former classmate whom I taught in uni. And if I end up getting the job, I might consider myself lucky (or even, me reaping karma), while the former classmate who has more information than I might have might tell us I was the most qualified applicant for the job. It in no way means I believe in luck, though coincidences are a fact of life that one accepts whether one believes in it or not.

If I believe in luck or coincidence, perhaps I'd sit on my silly ass waiting for luck and coincidence to rain down the mana of a job on to my lazy coincidental ass, for that's what me and my ass would be if I relied on luck and coincidence for my daily bread.
My arguments has been that coincidence is non casual.

It is not a cause for something. We dont
say something is caused by coincidence. The correct expression is, it is coincidence .

The word , coincidence, and the phrase, caused by, should not be together in the same sentence, except when used figuratively

Why is this difficult to understand?
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 4:18pm On Sep 28, 2021
budaatum:
Triplechoice. Anyone can tell you've not read Otem's book. If you had, you'd understand he is not claimimg what he is writing is based on actual facts nor is he asking anyone to believe what he's written, so you thinking it is fact to believe shows a limitation in your comprehension. If that were not the case, you'd have simply asked Otem to show you the cage in which his Yahweh is encaged, and if he doesn't or can't, case closed.
And does this thread really has anything to do with what is contain in his book?

He has taken a position about what he thinks is responsible for certain occurrence in nature which I disagree with.

Have you seen me arguing about any portion of his book before.

He has been talking about spiritual cage and I understand it is not literal.

If this thread was an excerpt from his book , I would understand what message he is trying to pass across. Nothing like that.
At a point I even asked him if the expression is figurative.No answer

I think he is creating his own religion by talking of the power of coincidence which is not different from saying the power of god.

However ,whatever the case I don't believe in luck or coincidence.

I don't fully accept it . it prevents people from finding the actual cause behind any occurrence.

There are plausible explanations why certain thing we dont understand happen.

That should be the focus not imaginary tales, though used in good faith , may prevent some people from knowing better.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:58pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
When next you want to argue with me, don't be mischievous by stating claims, pure lies that don't exist like your sick friend above.
You the one stating what I
didnt mention due to your own misunderstanding of everything I have said.

You're not insane but you insult without any reason and cancel replies like a demented fellow.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:54pm On Sep 28, 2021
budaatum:
I can not help wonder what is wrong with you! angry

Why would you be arguing with those who have not bothered to read what you've been writing for years now? Can people who have not read a book understand what's in a book they never read?
Casting inuedos doesn't prove anything.

Cowardly behavior at its best. Not what I expected from someone like you.

You're taking sides without bothering to find out how it all started.

It is typical knee jerk reaction to jump into conclusions about someone without knowing much about them.
How do you know I have not read his book?

And what do you even know about my position concerning the arguments we have been having?
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:41pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
You're an extremely dull and mischievous person for making things up that don't exist in reality but only in your mind.

I made my points clear from the start, but your mischief has beclouded your sense of reasoning.

Whatever you believe about coincidence is none of my concern.
Canceling my reply like a thug only shows the kind of frustrated person you're
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:22pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post.

Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times grin , your 2kb IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made:

1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life.
2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them.
3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence.
4. His explanation or model of how such happens look scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science.

Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far.

The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind.
Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that.

If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it.
But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded.

Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense.
My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything.

It is as simple as that.

Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:03pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
I never said practising is a noun bro. Check again and you will see that I used the 'gerund phrase' called 'Practising Religion'. Check for the meaning of 'Gerund' pls. In my context, 'Practising Religion' is a 'Noun Phrase'. And back to my statement, I was trying to establish if you meant that it is a concrete noun or not. Now back to my question, do you mean that the noun phrase 'Practising Religion' is Concrete or abstract?
Stick to one thing and don't turn it to an English language class .

When you struggle to understand the word coincidence which budatum up there wants to make you understand better, what do you want to teach anyone about English words and meaning.

You have made your disciple to start insulting with all of these.

Good day bro
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:56pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
Trash. I see you've personal issues with Otem. Lols

Better get your brain checked. Your imaginative power is working abnormally hence you won't be spewing tripe like "your lord".

I shouldn't waste my time discussing with someone that can't understand simple expressions in English, but is busy making different fictional things up in his small mind.

Asking me silly questions when anyone with an average IQ can find the answers to the questions in the posts he quoted.

Talk about being mischievous and silly.

Hope you settle whatever issues you have with the OP. That's your problem to deal with. cheesy
Between the two of us who should have their brains checked.

You that is so gullible to believe and follow sheepishly someone who claim to know of a spiritual cage where the imaginary gods of Allah and Jehovah locked up is saying what?

I am sure you literarily believed that.

I don't blame you . You can freely insult me hiding under a faceless forum .Something you dare not do face to face.
I never insulted any during the course of our argument and not even you before now. So why the insults and name calling?

You seem a troubled soul.

It's just a matter of time. when the nonsense Otem has placed in your head starts to aberrate you, then I hope you have someone who would advise you to have your head checked at that time. This not a treat. It is what I have seen happen to other people before .

You're crying more than the bereaved because it is obvious he has had your head done in.

Just a matter of time. Fill your head with nonsense and you get nonsense in return.

I don't have any personal Issues with Otem. But he should realize he can make mistakes and misled gullible people like you.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:13pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
You don't read to comprehend but to argue.

Tell me where I told you that the I believe the power of coincidence exists in nature. The problem is you've a poor understanding of English.

Read the statement you quoted again. I stated my stance clearly. No need to rehash it.
After taking my arguments out of its context, how are you expected to understand me.

Go back and read from where we started.

Your lord says there's something called the power of coincidence which is responsible for miraculous occurrence. I disagree with him because there is no evidence of such power.

I have been holding on to that position from day one.

If you have not seen that ,then thats your problem.

I have been asking him what is the difference between saying the power of god is responsible and not the power of coincidence , he has refused to answer but to twist and turn to confuse himself.

If he had said those occurrence are by accident or coincidental, then I would not be arguing with him.

I dont know English according to you but a simple word you can't fully comprehend its meaning
Big shame

Modified. I even asked him if he is using the expression in the figurative sense, he refuse to answer. So what do you even understand
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:02pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
So practising religion is now a concrete now abihuh
Coming from someone who claims to understand English language.
Big shame.

is it any surprise you don't understand what the word coincidence means.

"Practising" is not a verb but a concrete noun according to you?

Big shame
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:34pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted.

Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality?

You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue.

Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs.

While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right?

cheesy
And you believe such a power exist?

Where is the prove and how did you and himself demonstrate this power?

After talking about the power of coincidence which you both claim exist in nature, you then depart from that to talk of coincidence in the ordinary sense which everyone understands and want to make it appear you're saying the same time.

Both of you don't understand how the word coincidence is used. Hence your confusion

Is that not evidence of confused thinking?

Modified . The reason I asked if the power should be chanted is when he said words can be used like an hypnotist to create effect. Please go back and read and don't be lazy
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:17pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
You're very confused and merely saying nonsense.

Read your post below again. You'll find your answer in it.
See what I mean?

Instead to take time to follow our conversation from the beginning to understand what lead to that you just jumped in at the middle.

Besides ,those where questions he was expected to answer since he stupidity agreed that the expression contains power.

It was why asked those questions . So keep your insults

Go back and read what lead to that reply
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:11pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
You don't even understand your own argument.

I don't look up to anyone but myself. You're very confused, merely making different things up that only exist in your imagination, not in reality.

Mention where the OP told anyone to chant an expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality.

Lols. You don't even understand many things you're posting on.
And show me where I said the op said anyone should repeat anything
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:10pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.
If you know anything at all show me in my arguments where I said the op contains anyone repeating any expression to create effect.
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:02pm On Sep 28, 2021
A001:
Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument.

Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish?

Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh...

Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some.

All these petty arguments are better avoided.
Did you follow the conversation at all to know what lead to that?

Next time make sure understand what you're commenting on.
Your friend is confused about what he thinks he knows.

You look up to him and so don't expect you to know any better
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:33pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
Is practice a concrete now?
Practice- abstract noun
Religiob- abstract now

So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concretehuh
Just look at what you did up there

Why separating the words in the phrase "practice of religion"

So you dont know that the meaning of a word is determined by the context in which it is used?
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:27pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
So now you've agreed with me that the Power of 'God' supposedly used by the pastors is actually the 'Power of Coincidence'. Now we are saying the same thing.
I never agree with you.
I am afraid you're confused.

You don't understand anything about what I just explained. Nothing in your reply shows you understand a single thing.

Provide evidence that people use the energy which comes from repeating the expression " power of coincidence" to create miracles or take the nonsense elsewhere.

Was this your initial position? I believe you just learnt something from me along the way and want to use it to deceive yourself not me

How do you know or determine that the energy which can be released from that expression when repeated has the power to create miracles.

Do you know of anyone that's actually doing that?

Have you tried it yourself?

If anyone tries it right now would it work?

You're talking nonsense and it is a shame

I never wanted the discussion to degenerate into this but just can't help it now

You really are a huge disappointment. Never expected this sort of deception from you.

Good day and have a swell time in convincing your gullible followers that there is something like the power of coincidence which people use like any other valid source of power out there to create effect deliberately.

Modified. So you mean the football results of Chelsea and Liverpool you posted was as a result of someone in the English FA pronouncing the expression " power of coincidence" over and over again?

Or maybe you did. Please tell us
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:03pm On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
Is practice a concrete now?
Practice- abstract noun
Religiob- abstract now

So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concretehuh
When people practice religion we can see the physical activity they engage in . praying, singing of worship songs, attending churches or mosque and so on.

So what are you talking about?
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 10:28am On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
If mere words don't have power, what happen to hypnotism, religious texts used to make people submissive, placebo, etc? There's nothing that doesn't have potential power, no matter how little they could be.
You're deflecting now by bringing something that's not related to our discussion.

Words have power but only when pronounced as sounds. The vibratory rate of the sound produced is what gives power.

The expression "power of coincidence" contains a combination of words which when pronounced repeatedly will certainly results in a particular vibratory rate that will give off energy.

But are you now saying that pastors and witch doctors who produced what is refer to as miracles pronounce the expression "power of coincidence" over and over again just like an hypnotist, to create effect?

You can only make me agree with you if you can provide evidence that's what they are doing by repeating that expression
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 9:57am On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
@Triplechoice, you said that abstract words don't have power, but here is what justme have to day about religion(abstract word)



So do you agree that religion is a POWERFUL TOOL OF ENSLAVEMENT, even though it is something abstract?
How is the practice of religion abstract?
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 9:54am On Sep 28, 2021
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@TripleChoice, below is the definition of POWER. Now can you tell me if this power is not what pastors, alfas and herbalists ride on? I mean sometimes, pastors, alfas and herbalists say some things and it happened by coincidence. Because of this coincidences, they influence their followers and make then believe that they did it by their own powers(check the second definition of power in the dictionary below). Now tell me if there is no power of coincidence. Concerning the results below, assuming somebody had said perchance that Liverpool and Chelsea will have similar results and it happened so, if the person is a pastor, Alfa, imam or herbalists, don't you think he would have influenced the minds of his followers by the power of coincidence? That's what I am talking about.
Any kind of power comes from something.

Unless you're using the word in a figurative sense, coincidence is not an object that can produce any power.

There's a plausible explanation for the phenomenon displayed by pastors and witch doctors. The power of coincidence doesn't explain it all as there is no such power.

If a pastor says the power of God is behind what he does and you say ,no, that it is the power of coincidence, what is the difference?

Are both of you not thinking the same way and saying the same thing?

Yes, I think you're
Christianity EtcRe: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 9:27am On Sep 28, 2021
OtemAtum:
There is nothing on Earth that doesn't have power. Even a leaf hanging up on a tree has potential energy. If the leaf start to fall, then you can measure its power with physics. It also contains Chemical power in chemistry. When coincidence makes you think that you have achieved things by your own power, then that's the power of coincidence. Upon what luck do you think herbalists and pastors ride? Upon the power of coincidence of course. Now back to Luwabi and myself using his quote, the op was assuming Luwabi as the authority, probably because I used his quote somewhere, but I was letting him know that using his quote doesn't mean that he is an authority. I may decide to use the quote of Abraham Lincoln, it doesn't mean that I buy 100% into his philosophy. It may just be that I only agree to 1% of his philosophy and I can actually quote that 1% as many times as I like.
It is true that everything on earth has energy but it is not true that mere words which are not tangible materials have energy.

The word coincidence merely represent an abstract idea. It is not the same with the word , leaf , which is used to name a visible object in nature.
While we can measure for the power of falling leaf which we can see we can't do so for coincidence because it merely represents an abstract idea which has no one to one correspondence with any physical object in nature.

You don't seem to have a full understanding of the word coincidence and it is a problem.

Coincidence does not cause anything. The word is only use when we can't find any apparent cause for any strange happenings or pattern in nature.

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