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LordReed:
How can karmabe a natural law if not everyone gets retribution for their misdeeds?

Karma is not retribution. I already explained that

Dtruthspeaker:
No, you did not! You are the one trying to fabricate a non existent CHAIN STYLE RETRIBUTION WHICH I DID NOT SAY HAPPENS.

I Only Affirm Natural Retribution Aka Karma As Proven by the cases we have seen in this world. that's all!

Nothing more, nothing less!

Retribution is not karma. Not the same thing.
Karma is the consequences of your actions . It is not punishment from an external agency.

Retribution is the punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for wrong or criminal act.

When you smoke and it effects your health, we say you're have reaped bad karma from your action of smoking .

When you show love to others and they return it , we say you have reaped good karma.

Karma is the consequences of your actions and not an external force or god punishing or rewarding you for what you do.

LordReed:
Have you seen anybody not obey the law of gravity?

Who has seen?

Workch:
Buy a Bible, don’t read it and you will be a Catholic.

Buy a Bible, read only what suits you and you will be come an evangelical Christian.

But a Bible, read it fully, analyze it, reason it, you will never become a Christian. You will discover that the book is utter nonsense and highly unreliable.

Non of the above is completely true.

Anyone who proceeds to read any religious text with the certain believe that it is the true word of God would hardly see any inconsistency. If he finds any, he is sure going to find some way to explain it away. A fully indoctrinated person lacks the capacity to judge a religious text he subscribe to as not true or contains lies. It is not possible. It is what psychological studies has proven. In that state, he can see no error or lies


It is only an outsider to the faith that can easily noticed the inconsistency in it and dwell on it.


To convince anyone to abandon what they do if you consider it nonsense, you must know exactly what they're doing and the exact reason why they're doing it if not nobody would listen to you. You will just be talking to yourself.

Crystyano:
It is you that considers karma as something that means what you say it means

But you are not meant to determine what karma means in this case

As for the 12 laws
They can go to hell because there are many millionaires and billionaires that don't care about them

Is it Angel of BB Naija that is not making money

I have seen that life is about twists and turns

In fact
Reality is about twists and turns

Many people are making money without giving a damn about what you think

Many people live their lives oblivious of the law of gravity . Does it exempt them from its effect? No

So it is my friend. The people you mentioned may be using the law of karma unconsciously the reason they're getting results. Everyone one of us is doing so already.

But it helps to do it consciously so you don't think your live is controlled by luck .knowing that whatever you sow you must surely reap and don't give up midway when things are not going your way

Most successful people you see today went through many tough times before the achieved success. They never gave up. They were certain of success and they achieved it in the end.

You can get whatever you want from life. That's what the law of karma says. Know this and make changes. Nothing can stop you.

It seems you never bothered to go through the link to read those laws. Its your choice to do so or not

NaijaSatanlst:
What do pastors preach? Talking snakes, a global flood, virgin birth and seas dividing. Those are all middle eastern myths, peddled today by pastors as truths. Yes all pastors are scammers.

So I am asking, show me an actual instance where I generalized.

My friend, you generalize. There are well meaning individuals who think they are actually called by God and are using their religion as a vehicle to do good.. They are not popular and also lack the awareness to know if their religion is a lie or not

If you have not met these ones, then I am afraid your life experience is very limited

Crystyano:
You offend someone
Then the person retaliates or something bad happens to you afterwards

Some see it/the retaliation as karma


I see it/the retaliation as something that doesn't happen all the time



Karma is false



If karma is true
Everyone should be getting punished for every offence no matter who they are

Karma is not punishment you get from offending somebody. That's the general misconception most people have.

The word ,karma, is of Sanskrit origin. It simply means "action" "deeds"or "works" and it is used to explain the "spiritual" cycle of cause and effect. Don't allow the word spiritual put you off from trying to understand it. You can see, I put the word spiritual in quotes to let you know there's nothing really spiritual about it .But since it is a knowledge you don't get from going to school, we regard it that way.


Karma means that in life certain actions results in certain consequences. Most can't see the correlation between the actions they take and the ,consequences. But karmic acts surely do results in that.

For instance, if you're overweight and you dont do anything about it, then it won't be long before you start to experience some health challenges which is karma.

The equivalent for this, (karma) in the sciences, is in Newton's law of motion " for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction"

Even though some religious groups from the Orient have made it part of their teachings, the laws of karma is not in any way tied to them and so you shouldn't be in a hurry to dismiss it as religious nonsense.

Without the laws of karma nothing can be achieved or nothing can work in this world. Even Scientific experiments will not be successful.

The law of karma involves 12 laws. knowing these laws and how they actually work, will help to improve the quality of your life especially when you know how to apply them. Not only that , you also get to understand why some persons seem to get away or actually get away from the "things" they do.

There are no gods doling out Karna neither is it punishment for evil. It is the consequence of your actions good or bad. If you have a lot of bad karma, there a ways to clean it up so you dont experience the consequences. You're the only person that can resolve your karma.

There are certain religious groups who deceptively use an aspect of this law to recruit new members. They tell you that the reason you're having a hard time in live is because of your past misdeeds ,which may be true actually, and then go on to threaten you that unless you join them your karma cannot be resolved meaning you continue to suffer. But it is lie. These are the people I am sure you have been listening to.

There's no one out there who has been given the sole responsibility of resolving your karmic deeds. The emphasis is always on the negative aspect of it. If karma is for both good and bad ,why not place equal emphasis on both?

The link below would help you understand better the 12 laws of karma and how to apply them.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wellandgood.com/12-laws-of-karma/amp/

MaxInDHouse:
The real wrong that's killing the world today is racism and politics, JWs have cured their members from that. If it's about the other minor cases, mankind can still cope with it in peace!

You said Jw members can never manisfest any evil thoughts in their heads which makes them distinct from everyone else.


Why have you abandoned that?

If you think child molestation is not evil, then you can continue. Goodluck

[quote author=macAB post=106988507][/quote]@macAB

Make sure you already cleared those doubts before abandoning the religion of your birth

It is very important you do that, if not when you leave just like that those doubts would continue to come up but this time in disguise and your mind then become a battle ground of conflicting thoughts which you may not be able to handle alone.

It is not easy thing to abandon the religion you were born into. Some persons can assume they are free from it but not being aware that at the subconscious level they still strongly tied it. And this can create many problems that may be difficult to manage except through professional help. .

You could find yourself struggling with the feeling from time to time that you're two persons in one. That's a split personality syndrome which is a form of mental illness and those close to you can sense all is not well with you.
The reason why this can happen is that there still exist some deeply embedded beliefs in your subconscious mind that's still running at the background .

Those who don't know what is happening at this time, would run back to the religion they have abandoned or sadly end it in suicide believing they are losing their minds.. I have friends who have gone back to the same religion they abandoned and condemned as not good. This happens all the time




So my friend be yourself . Don't try to imitate anyone. Know exactly what you're doing before making the decision to quit

And in case you don't know it's not easy living your life as a non religious person in this part of the world you will be hounded on all sides by people around you and this can impact on your mental health.

You need people around you to succeed but when you try to separate yourself prematurely , then it can be become difficult for you.

My advise is you just play along until you can stand alone without depending on anyone.

MaxInDHouse:
You're deceiving yourself!
There are people who committed suicide just because their boyfriend or girlfriend gilted them so does that equates jilting with murder?
Guy in this life we live with so much troubles everyday, the thief that comes to rob you is a million times better off than the assassin whose only intention is to take your life. You may continue to argue this but when you're faced with such a situation you'll pray that you are robbed, raped and molested a million times than for your life to be taken!

So stop deceiving yourself!

You're the one deceiving yourself. You're just
battling to crawl out from the hole which you dug and fell into.

You claim your group members cannot commit any kind of evil whatsoever. Meaning they can do know wrong . That was how we started.

Why running away now that I brought up the issue of child molestation within your organization?

Is that not a manifestation of evil within your sect?

It's high time you accepted that no organization has perfect members. It is not possible and there's no individual that can do no wrong. If you knew this , then the shameless attempt to whitewash your organization in order to maintain its reputation would not be necessary.

Every right thinking person knows that nothing is perfect in this world

Jw members are not saints that can do no wrong. Stop the self deceit.

I hope when one of your daughters is caught in the same thing, you counsel her it is not evil since she wasn't killed. Abi ?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think someone who molested a child under his/her care is the same as one who just want you dead?
I'm not saying molestation of minors is good but it is nothing compared to killing people for not being a certain race or political party.
So if you're mixing things together know now that pedophiles live in the human society and they hide while doing it which means their conscience is still active somehow but killers strongly believe you don't worth living!

You're the one mixing things up. You're in denial and only interested in defending your organization no matter what.

An adult molesting a child repeatedly is evil. Don't get it twisted and downplay it because it affects some elders in your organization.

Well, atleast contrary to your initial position you have accepted without realizing it that your members can also manifest the evil thoughts in their heads. Maybe you don't even know the meaning of the word evil. Go and learn the meaning so you can argue better

Child molestation can be worst than killing someone. Some victims have been known to commit suicide and others finding it difficult to live a normal life.


https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/interim/nature-effects-child-sexual-abuse/effects-child-sexual-abuse

MaxInDHouse:
Evil that's spelt out is KILLING people not sex drive my friend, you talk of pedophiles as if it's not happening in all human society.
Even a religion legalized infant marriage so can you go and stop them from marrying underage children?
We are talking about people killing people!
70% of people today were molested one time or another during their adolescence yet they're still alive today and doing fine in the society can you compare them to dead people?
So instead of mixing up too many things all at a time why not concentrate on the real evil, the cause of killing in the human society?

You and I have not talked about any kind of evil before now

Our conversation is centered on you boasting that your members, unlike the rest of us (atheist / agnostics) are a special breed of people who will never manisfest any evil thoughts raging in their heads. That is it.

why trying to move it away from that?

So you don't see it as evil an elder in your organization molesting a minor under his care simply because the same people whom you regard as lost are also doing the same thing?

Honestly, this is disapointing coming from an elderly person like you who may even have a daughter under his care.

It would have been better you didn't reply at all. You're embarrassing your organization..

Next time reread what you typed before clicking the submit button.

Whether you agree or not. JW members are not special or have absolute control over their thoughts. It is indoctrination that makes you think so

Hismasterpiece:
Lol.. i'm not on the verge of abandoning my beliefs ooo.. i have seen enough to never be an atheist.. i may not be able to prove God but based on experiences of the supernatural i can confidently say that there are people among us that we cannot see.. i am a firm believer in the spiritual.. don't get it twisted

Then why bother about the attitude of some atheist towards you?

Doesn't it signify that you're starting to show some kind of sympathy towards what they are doing and want them to do it the right way?

It's what I can see.

MaxInDHouse:
So it's the same thing both have evil thoughts but one will never carry it out no matter what happens while the other is looking for the best opportunity to carry out what he has in mind!

You said your members will never carry out evil thoughts in their heads. So what happened when some of your leaders where caught molesting minors under their care and even trying to shield them from prosecution?

LordReed:
I agree with you it's unfair to mock people for just being religious adherents but people usually need to work some things out of their system. The "angry atheist" phase is a transition phase quite a bit of us go through.

Exactly.

Dtruthspeaker:
Liar! You always insult me FIRST when I say what you do not like and then I respond back!

So it is you exactly as many of your kind do, who are ALWAYS UNREASONABLE AND CHANGING POST and when all these fail, Insults follow!

See example here


Proof!

My friend, abeg park well.

Your own naim worse pass. You , na so so opata you dey yarn

Just shift go one side

LordReed:
I have never mocked Hismasterpiece, our conversations have always been respectful. It is people like Dtruthspeaker who refuse to be reasonable in discussion I have a bone or 2 to pick with from time to time, as you can already see above.

Honestly, you're not really part of it unlike some who seems to have gone on overdrive. Nearly every response is laced with snide remarks and insults. It is those kind of people I am worried about.

Everyone as an ego to protect and if at times we respond in kind to insults and harassment coming from the other side, we shouldn't be blamed. But when it is uncalled for, then one has to look at himself

The fight to me is unfair and not necessary

MaxInDHouse:
You missed it again Sir!
Don't be deceived my friend, it's exactly what people have in mind that determines what action they will take, they're only editing it due to fear of law and order. Once the law can't catch up with them you'll know the true colour of most people around you!

As usual you didn't take to read what I said
I agree that people act based on what they think but not all the time that they follow through with action
There may be people around you who sometimes nurse the thought of doing something very bad to you but have they done so ? Why?

Even you yourself sometimes have negative thoughts raging in your head. How many of those thoughts have you followed though with action?

LordReed:
I understand your position, I just want it underlined that there exist reasons to mock people who hold certain beliefs especially if they are extreme. I believe that it is more about the context than the fact that they are being mocked. I personally avoid mocking people for being believers but will not hesitate to tongue lash those who I think deserve it for expressing stupìd ideas. It may do nothing to change their minds but it should give some others a pause and a chance to reason. I was once a believer in god but conversations both reasoned and heated gave me the impetus to really examine my beliefs. In fact they still do, I don't take my positions as written in stone.

I think it can only work for a few. Your case is different. You already had the capacity to critically examined what you use to believe. So it was easy to make the change.. Most people here don't have that advantage .They should be treated as humans and not derided for having a belief in a god

But I have to admit here that the op from what I can take from is post seem to be on the verge of abandoning his religious beliefs. Did you noticed the poignant questions he was asking all through.

That is it the right thing to go to a slave camp to free slaves with insults? is it proper to use extreme mockery to teach others what they do not kmoe ?

Forget the other things he was saying alongside it and just listen to him.

I have not seen anyone responding to that but only focusing on the negative things he said and I have to ask why? The resident Satanist even ran away to create another thread just to counter him.

Well, the op appears to be waking and I won't be surprised if he ends up becoming a non believer some day

His outbursts to me are evidences of someone whose mind is gradually coming alive. Maybe your method his working. or not working. Only time would tell

LordReed:
Is someone who thinks it is acceptable to kill witches and homosexuals because their holy book says so a religious nut job or not?

Telling them so directly wouldn't change anything. They lack the awareness to understand what you're saying. They are indoctrinated and operating from that state.

Psychological studies has demonstrated the fact that no one who is truly indoctrinated or brainwashed is ever conscious of it. They have been programmed to act in a particular way and can only change when the have been deprogrammed. So it is of no use .

Or would you for any reason try to convince a suicide bomber who is at the point of detonating a suicide vest that it is unreasonable to do so ? And also wait to further call him a religion nutjob when you should escaping with your life? This an extreme example but I believe it would help you understand my position better


A religious nutjob should be avoided at any cost. One can only try to engage the moderates. Those are sometimes amenable to reason.

MaxInDHouse:
It's what you have in mind that will determine your actions {Luke 6:45} if you believe that it's evil to aim a gun or any other weapons against your fellowman definitely you can't be a killer!

It's only a mad person that would act out whatever thoughts that enter their head.

A sane person would always try to edit whatever thoughts that come in to know if it is the proper thing to do or not.

Not everything that we think about that we follow through. If it is as the way you describe it , then it would not be uncommon to see a lot of people around behaving irrationally and who knows maybe one of those of your neighbors and relatives who hate you as JW would have gotten you killed already.

The bible verse you quoted is church theology. It has no basis in reality.

MaxInDHouse:
There is one thing that makes atheism wicked but the same thing affects all the religious groups on this planet!
According to God's word all false religious organizations are on the same page with atheism. The reason that people feel they have the right to choose any form of worship that soothes their liken is a big promotion for atheism!
Atheists are arguing for what they feel is right but you people are arguing that God is the one who knows what is right, OK which of all your numerous religious groups are doing God's will? You don't want to discuss that yet you're expecting right thinking persons to embrace your stupidity in the name of God!
If there is God the first question that needs to be answered is:
How many are they?
If you all agree that there is just one then the next question should be:
How do we worship Him?
But accepting all forms of worship in the name of One God is the problem you people are creating for yourselves!

Calling others wicked because of what they choose to believe or not doesn't make you a good person.

You don't automatically become a good person by labeling others as wicked. It is your actions that would demonstrate the kind of person you are.

@ op

I am afraid you're generalising. All atheist or non religious don't behave the same way. But I understand where you're coming from . It is obviously based on what you have experienced and observed here.

But the truth of the matter is that most are behaving that way because they are living their lives based on borrowed behavior. A fake life. That's how I like to describe it.

The foreign atheists whose behavior most of them are copying are from societies where nearly every single member is enlightened enough to know what is right from what is wrong. So it is expected that some, atheist especially, over there would mock you when you behave in a way they consider stupid or irrational .They expect you to know better than to believe in what they consider nonsense or fairy tales.

But on this side, there's no enough reason for anyone who is fortunate to be properly educated and better exposed to go about looking for less enlightened members of his society to insult and abuse simply because these other people insist at a particular point in their lives that they are more comfortable in believing in something rather than in nothing.

Well, I already mentioned that it is borrowed behavior.
If not, what on earth would make anyone who claims to be a former Christian or Muslim turn back to make mockery of those that still believes forgetting that not too long ago he or she was equally a "slowpoke" or religious nut job.

It is an aberration . It's like a former prostitute who is now rehabilitated going back to the hotel she once worked to insult and mock others who are yet to have the opportunity to escape that life. It is really unfair and makes no sense whatsoever.

The proper attitude of a former believer who is really honest about helping others see what he now considers the "light" should be that of concern and understanding and not to take delight in mocking others at every given opportunity even when it is not called for.

If the person who trolls you online grew up as an atheist without having participated in any religious group before, then you should understand the reason for his behavior and not take offence. The person has not had your experience. So it is only natural that the individual would want to understand why you choose to believe in a God .He simply cannot get it no matter how you try to explain

People will always act based on what they know and have experienced. They can't behave otherwise. There are certain things in life that can only be completely understood by a direct experience of it. Nothing else would do.

But when the troll has had that religious experience and now pretends not to, then it is self deception. Don't waste your time .You're dealing with a fake person. Move away .The person already knows the answer to the question he or she is asking you about what you believe. There's no sincerity and you would be stupid to engage such a person. The person is looking for the opportunity to make you look stupid for what you choose to believe at this time

So please don't regard every atheist or non religious as the same. Not every atheist on ths section behave as you have described .We all can't be the same. Everyone has their own method

However, you on your part should also learn to respect what others choose to believe or not to believe. That's the only way we can all make for a harmonious relationship amongs the different groups that exist here..

Final word. Please don't regard me as a representative of any group. All I have said is from me alone. Others can choose to see things differently and they have the right to see things their own way.

A001:
Lols. More and more nonsense

Don't quote my post again to spew tripe.

When you're intelligent enough to discuss issues reasonably and honestly without forming different things that don't exist in your head as a mischievous person, I'd be willing to engage you.

An intelligent person like you that's living life based on assumptions.

You assume I am a religious person.Shame

Next time, be sure of the identify of the person you're chatting with before reacting unconsciously and embarrass yourself.

So far nothing like superior arguments to counter anything but insults and wayward talk .
Use your head next time before jumping into matters that is way above you

A001:
Lols. You're funny.

If you've read the book, you wouldn't have said most of the things you posted here because in many parts of the book, Otem urges readers to question all knowledge and abstain from immersing themselves in the philosophy of another person, whether it's Otem's, Aristotle's, Allah's, Jehovah's, etc.

All your posts, especially the nonsensical parts like your god or your lord Otem, simply show you know little or nothing about what you're criticizing.

Just rest with the mischief and either read the book if you want or stop the petty arguments.

I said you're a religious person because they're only people I know that show the kind of mischief you exhibit here.

You're living in denial. That's all.

Your assumption is working against you but you don't know it.

You're the one who is actually behaving like a religious since you're loath to question anything.

Napoleon is always right. Well done

A001:
The religious guy that has issues with Otem's writings is up to his mischief again. Lols.

Calling me a religious person shows you don't know anything about me

And it is clear now to me and everyone who knows me on this board, that it was your wrong assumption that worked against you hence you were canceling my post and judging them silly because to you, anyone who question Otem must be religious and a religious person in your thinking can never make sense.

Nobody is above questioning no matter how knowledgeable they present themselves. I don't hold on strongly to any ideological position and for this, I have the mental freedom to question anything that does not make sense so as to clear my doubts or get better informed

If not for cognitive dissonance on your part, why attacking me when I am doing the proper thing of wanting to know more?

When did it become silly or a crime to ask questions?

I have read some parts of the book written by Otem and was impressed . But that does not mean it is a perfect work .

dazzlingd:
Your problem here seems to be English.

Stop over thinking it, it is so simple as to say people mistaken coincidences for miracles.
That's what he meant by the power of coincidence, it is not the physics definition of power as the rate of doing work

Just imagine !

You can't express yourself very well in English language yet you think you're in a better position to analyze my comments by taking it out of context.

My friend ,please read our conversation from the very beginning to have a better understanding.

Your god, Otem, was the one who suggested coincidence has power when I questioned what he actually meant by power of coincidence..

Go back and read and don't come here to expose your ignorance Mr English language teacher that cannot teach himself the language before wanting to teach others.

sonmvayina:
I used to have a spirit wife before I got married to my wife. Sex with her was clean. I had to appease her to allow me enjoy my life on this realm. But she was always protecting me, I loved her for that.
When I was in the UK, I met this pretty babe from Trinidad and Tobago on match.com. after enough chatting she came to my house for some lashing. When my spirit wife saw her she said I shouldn't, I was head strong because I have wasted time and wifi on chatting and telling her all the positions we will do.

Long story short, after like 2 hours of pre-intimacy "oga jimmy" no raise oh. I try try...nothing. she got angry and left. I had to beg her and called cab to take her from Neasden to Hounslow.

Like two weeks later I managed to get her on the phone, but the voice was not hers. It was her elder sister. She told me she was in hospital. She was HIV positive, and has become full blown AIDS.

I kneel down thank Sophia. My spirit wife..

It also happened with another uhrobo girl from Delta state. But she did not have Hiv, my dick no still stand,

I guess she did not want it to happen..

We are spiritual beings having a human experience, when we expire here we go back to the spiritual realm. (The real life)

And you didn't bother to know why you had a spirit wife?

TenQ:
You speak like spirit wife/husband is the main type of demonization: this is not true!

Not all problems are of direct demon origin.

How do you convince a person who was delivered from demonic affliction after doing all physically possible that "it was just a thing in his mind"?

The op is about spirit wife and that was what I responded to before you started dragging me

If you believe demons causes problem for people, I don't.

Well ,your negative thoughts can take on form and wreck havoc on you and those around you. That is what most of you ignorantly regard as demons but they are just thoughtforms and not real.

There are people who are gifted with the special ability to see these thoughtforms as the hover around people. You may have this ability or have met with someone who has, but it doesn't mean what you see is real. It is only thoughts that have taken form.

Ayo081:
Lol

I never mentioned under your pillow I think. I said near you.

It worked for me and I believe.

Whether near you ,under the bed or under pillow, the motive is the same and it's still superstition since it doesn't work for everyone.

What actually works , would work for everyone or most people inrespective of belief.

Ayo081:
Fear?

There's a difference between being spiritually opened (eyes or senses) and spiritually blind or afraid.

When you put Bible under your pillows so you sleep well shows fear. If you're were opened eyes spiritually as you say , you would know that doesn't help in anyway. It is just superstition and nothing more..

TenQ:
The mind can only be programmed by information..

Like, you have also been programmed by the minority report from some former christians who claimed they used to perform deliverance.

For the girl in my office.
1. I told her I would pray for her BUT I didn't tell her I would be casting out demons
2. I didn't even know for sure there were demons inside her till she started manifesting
3. How could I have conditioned her to react like demonized persons would?

It is difficult to convince a person who have a spirit wife that it is just a figment of his imaginations. Their dreams are usually vivid and sometimes they encounter physically their spirit spouse

I never wanted to respond again, but just have to .

I already advised you get yourself properly informed about how your mind works so you can understand my position better


Your mind cannot act on any impression that it refuses to accept as truth. I have been repeating this all along.

It is only individuals whose critical faculty skills not fully developed and are cast in the coinage of conspiracy theories that easily swallow the lies of demonic possession

Now , according to you, my current stand is because I have been made not to accept what you consider as truth of demonic possession inspite of the fact I already suggested to your that I use to have such belief in the past but now know better through my own experience. Really don't know what to tell you.

You not following at all. Don't bother much about me be concern with what you're doing. If it is the right thing you're doing only time will tell.

To your last statement ,the reason it is difficult to convince someone who thinks she is having spirit husband is because they accept as real what they see in the dream and also while awake . But those visions are not real or have no basis in reality.

I know how difficult it is to convince such people. I have been there before and came out of it. So I am speaking from experience.

You people lack the proper guidance to do what you're doing. You're destroying minds and think you're helping them through deliverance.

You can't end spirit wife through deliverance. The only way is to increase your awareness so you know the truth and the truth leads to your freedom

Good luck in your casting of demons business