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Crystyano:
Pretend that I need your help or what exactly?

If you're sure you really need help, then send your details and find your way to asaba now till Thursday. I have a job for you at NHIS.

There's free accommodation too

A friend of mine has the contract to bring in new workers . If you come ,I will stand as your guarantor

budaatum:
You give him too much credit. The only person he is attempting to deceive is himself, and he obviously fails woefully at even that.

He says there is no karma, then sits on his lazy ass wailing about hunger while begging for food on Nairaland.

Just ignore him and let him continue to pretend .

Crystyano:
Then your English is not updated


You don't know the meaning of an accusation

I never accused you wrongly. I said I was a victim of the things you do and still doing and that is not a lie. I fell for it out of sympathy

Your reply to buda has just confirmed it all. One of the monikers you copied has a reputation on this forum most people are aware of.

So it is show me your friends and .........

Goodluck

Crystyano:
Do your worst

Accusing me of deception is not good enough

I am not accusing you. It is what you do and was your victim. Others need to be warned

Crystyano:
Chance doesn't have to be good enough in this case

I don't have to be someone that has done anything to people that don't know how to assess situations such as mine

Your life . Not my business. But stop deceiving others. It won't work again. This thread you opened is your nemesis.

budaatum:
Please do not blame yourself. Know that even while responding to him, others read and learn too. I have benefitted from your posts, and I can assure you that many others will read and benefit too.

The blame is not now . It was when I realised the game he was playing and I immediately put a stop to it.

Anyway thanks for your compliments and concern.

budaatum:
I must admit that as far as this individual is concerned I have given up. It's just amusing seeing him open a thread to try to be irresponsible for his own starvation, and I could not let him get away with deceiving those who don't already know him especially since he changed monickers.

Yes, deceiving people has been his active pastime here and I have some evidence that it is even worst than that. He keeps comfirming it every time.

Blame myself for not checking

budaatum:
You telling me you noticed this about him from this one thread and his new moniker? You should check his previous monicker to see he expects to reap where he refuses to sow!

A better candidate for karma I have not seen.

Honestly, didn't know. I saw a thread from January where he was doing the same thing he is still doing know. I was really disappointed

Crystyano:
There's no reason why


Certain things are bound to happen


You can only prevent what is preventable.....

Chance is your reason which is not good enough.

What makes you think you have done your own part to make things better?

Maybe you have not done anything but been waiting on chance. Honestly from what recently discovered about you ,which was a surprise to me, you are not doing your own part.

You have given up?

And you just 24

Crystyano:
The other part is determined by chance

Why?

Crystyano:
You are vomitting sewage


'Partially responsible' is not shifting responsibility

Who has the other part?

Crystyano:
I am partially responsible

At this point of your life you're responsible for whatever happens to you either through you action or inaction. An acceptance of this ,would put you in position to take complete charge of your own life which rightly belongs to you in the first place and make changes


If someone treats you badly , it is because you put your self in a position to be treated that way or you lack the awareness to know the kind of person you were dealing with. If you don't want it to happen again, you learn to avoid the person or take action to increase your level of awareness so you know the
right action to take next time

So your life is your life to be lived by you alone. Don't shift the responsibility to another. Your life is not theirs

Karma is synonymous with self responsibility

Tobedated:
it nothing fancy nor instant it gradual it just that the more i learn of the world the more i see the bullshit in religion and them one day i decide to cut myself free

OK then, it means you were not really into it.

Tobedated:
Yes that right free from religion i can't believe i believed in that shit for a long time i hope others to find a way out it just sad that i can't convince my family what a pity

Can you please share your deconversion story? That is, what led to it

kingxsamz:
Like I said, it's bullcrap, just like Karma, god/God and juju.

What do you know about the law of karma to equate it with juju, god and astrology?

Truvelisback:
Oga, Karma dey. One way or the other, u will suffer the consequence.

I tel u say karma nor dey?

Karma dey but wetin you dey talk na retribution because e get to do with revenge by the person wey den steal from. But what if the juju nor work ?

Well karma still dey involve because if the person nor go rob ,nobody for plan to use juju for ham. That one naim be the real karma plus say one dey them go still catch ham. Everyday for arm robber, one day for the owner of the house.

Truvelisback:
Karma still dey, the ghost can haunt u to death or the person u stole from can harm or even kill u with juju.

You mean the ghost of the person you steal from before pursue u.

Is that so?

Workch:
It won’t be a problem if those who believe these fictions are not doing everything to make their fictions the norm.

Look at what’s happening in the United States today, Christians want biblical creationism and intelligent design to be taught science in science class. That’s a Big problem

Christians are spreading conspiracy theories about vaccines etc They get these ideas from the fictional books. This is why it’s important to contain them.
It brews fundamentalism and extremism, we shouldn’t sit back and allow that happen.

That's the problem actually. But I think the solution is education of the masses which is not happening in this part of the world.

If most people in Nigeria have access to good quality education and have their critical faculty skills fully developed, then the problem would be greatly reduced here.

It is not easy to completely indoctrinate anyone who has developed to that extent.

Truvelisback:
Go thief person thing or kill person, make them catch u. Na dat time u go know say karma na kama. By the time u are hanged to death or u spend the rest of ur miserable life in prison, body go tell u.

If dem nor catch u nko?

Workch:
There is a good chance that you might regard it as a comic if you are very rooted in science.

How do you think an astrophysicist/biologist will regard the genesis creation story if he reads the Bible for the first time? Comic relief.

He might like the dictions must the story will be fictional to him. Education Plays a big role

You're correct It contains fiction but to what end?

Dtruthspeaker:
The course was the if there was truly a difference between retribution and karma and you said external agency.

Then by your examples, which you said was karma in operation, I showed you the external agency in them.

So right now you veered off into the internal agent, "What led to the accident? Your actions. And so who is responsible" which is not the issue.

You still don't get it. With karma you know exactly the reason for what you get or what is happening Meaning that whatever effect that comes from the action you take its your own doing

But retribution, you imagine an external force is punishing you for something you did. And you can beg this external agency so you don't continue to suffer..
Karma, you take action to resolve negative karma because you're responsible for what came to you in the first place. It is your own shit which you need to clean up yourself.

Karma empowers you to take action to resolve whatever problem you face in live while retribution disempower you leaving you not knowing what to do.





Karma gives you always the effect of your actions and it is not punishment. Retribution is seen as punishment

Dtruthspeaker:
Now, you have veered off course.

How

Crystyano:
Your comparison of gravity to karma is your problem

What you consider as karma is your cup of poison

I don't need your motivation


Case closed!!!

My apologies

Dtruthspeaker:
You church goers eh! Can you take a right handed car to the mechanic and it still comes back right handed a conversion?

Or a dirty person who enters a bathroom to bathe yet he comes out the same dirty person, a conversion?

My brother, belief is what causes conversion and not conversion, bringing belief.

It is unreasonable to purchase car insurance before you have a car.

Who be church goer? Who tell you say I dey go church?

You car analogy doesn't make sense. Do you as a Christian regard the Koran as inspired by God?
You only regard and accept the Bible is the true word of God after conversion. That is the truth

Workch:
Its not suppose to make sense to them. You don’t get it?

You cannot convince a fanatic from believing bogus stories because he’s aware that if those bogus stories were written outside of the Bible, it won’t make sense it him, he has to believe whatever is in the Bible whether or not it makes sense. That’s why they don’t believe The Flying Spaghetti Monster god thing, because it’s not in the Bible. Disbelieving religious stories is mostly instinctive and influenced by field/type of education one gets.

If you were never a Christian and you suddenly come across the Bible in a place where nothing is know about Christianity, how would have know that it is meant for Christians to arrive at your op?

I think you're going to regard it as beautiful work of literature and not called it nonsense and even try to find some interpretation for the myths


This is my point which you still don't get. You're still viewing the bible as a former believer.

Non believers who read the Bible consider it as a literary masterpiece due to the beautiful poetic expression some of the passage contains. Some even find some element of truth or wisdom in it without regarding it as inspired by God.

That is it. Your bias is too strong

Workch:
An indoctrinated person cannot see it that way because of cognitive dissonance.

He might become logical and reasonable in other areas of life but whenever it comes to his religion, cognitive dissonance with allow reason prevail.

In other words ,it means your op will not make sense to the people I believe it is meant for

Dtruthspeaker:
You said "external agency" and accidents are usually outside and beyond the "car punishing you".

What led to the accident? Your actions. And so who is responsible?

Workch:
Belief is not logic and reason, you can’t be a Christian if you read the Bible with logical and reasoning mind because the Bible in itself contain a lot illogical texts that require you to believe outside the scope of logic and reason. This makes these text unverifiable and hard to accept for any logical person.

A lot of the biblical texts are not consistent with reality

I agree with you. But how would it be possible for the indoctrinated person to see it that way?

People don't read the Bible to get converted. They read and believe it after conversion and by that time they can no longer see the lies

Dtruthspeaker:
But from your examples the accident obtained while drink driving or When you show love to others and they return it you called them karma too and both are from "external agencies"

So you mean when you have an accident your car is punishing you?

As for the other, when it comes to karma, you can see a correlation between what you did and the results. You know your actions led to the love you get in return. For retribution you cannot actually pinpoint what the person did to earn the punishment and even more some person don't get any punishment when you expect it

I think from now onward, I will stop using the word consequence when it comes to explaining karma . The correct word should be effect so that people stop linking it only with something bad .

IMAliyu:
Ok, I guess we may just have different experiences in our lives.

I've seen good people get walked over, and they don't always recover from it.
And some people who perform misdeeds & manage to walk without facing retribution.

(4/4)

What actions did so called good person take to put himself in a position to being walked over? That's is the key to understanding how we create karma with its attendant consequences

IMAliyu:
This I agree with, karma may not be real, but our own actions, the actions of individuals do have consequences especially when scaled up.
We can't all be ok with certain forms of corruption like bribes, or shonting a line and expect to live in an orderly corruption free society
The same way we can't keep voting for incompetent leaders and representatives because of tribal or religious association and expect a better working country.

Karma is just a word used to explain that our actions or works carries consequence.

Most people are using the word wrongly hence the misunderstanding.

You know ,when something negative happens to anyone, people are quick to scream karma as if it is Punishment for what is happening to the person but don't scream karma when the same person experience something good.

So because of this , the public now thinks karma means punishment by an external agency for evil which is not true. The evil you get is the one you bring upon yourself through your own actions

In Nigeria now, we are reaping negative karma , called collective karma, from the actions we took in the past by chosen our current leaders. Whether you voted or not it doesn't matter. We are all responsible

Dtruthspeaker:
See, Google's definition

retribution
/rɛtrɪˈbjuːʃ(ə)n/
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noun
punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.

Is there any difference between the 2?

There's a difference. For retribution, it is an external agency that inflicts or is believed to inflict the punishment while for karma you only reap the consequences of your actions nobody is punishing you.

Karma can be erased so you don't get back the effect of what you do.

But for retribution you need to appeal to the external agency for mercy who you may assume is punishing you.

To a larger extent you're always in control when it comes to karma. But only when you have the awareness of what might come from what actions you take

If I know that drinking while driving can results in accident, what I need to do so as not to reap negative karma ,is not to drink . It is as simple ad that