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RoyPCain:
@ifeann;
true2god; you might a well change your name to false2thetrueGod since you can say a word that is honest.

there were 4 daughters [RA] of the prophet [SA]. the first daughter was zaynab and she was married to a pagan who later became muslim after he was a prisoner in battle of badr.
Uthman bin Affan married other women and married 2nd daughter who died after battle of badr. then he married the 3rd daughter. she also died and the prophet [SA] said if he had a daughter who was single he would have given her to him as a replacement. of course, the youngest was fatimah zarah who was married to Ali bin Abitalib [RA to each of them].
fatimah [RA] complained, rightfully so about the proposed muslim woman Ali [RA to each] wished to marry. the prophet [SA] did not tell Ali [RA] not to marry the would be wife. he simply said to him, divorce Fatimah [RA] if you wish to do so because Fatimah [RA] was not happy about the marriage and the reason was given; the daughter of the pharaoh of the Ummah [abu jahal [lanatUllah].

whats so strange in that? the status of the prophet [SA] is unlike that of any in his nation/islamic community. his wives [RA] are unlike other wives or women [RA]. his daughter, by same extension is like other daughters [RA]. she did not accept charity but only gift. so when she refused to be co-wife with a particular daughter of the worst enemy of her father [SA], do you not see quality in it? there is good jealousy and there is bad jealousy. Fatimah [RA] happened to have demonstrated what good jealousy is.

no wife of the prophet [SA] was a non-muslim. if you know anyone, type her name out for us to read. by the way at the moment, i am studying the sirah of the beloved [SA]. so your lie is something i can smell with my big nose.

again, go read about the husband of zaynab bint rasullUllah and uthman bin affan and even the women Ali bin Abitalib [RA] married.

@ RoyPCain you said 'so when she (Fatimah) refused to be co-wife with a particular daughter of the worst enemy of her father', that is Abi Jahl. That is a lie. The hadith said that Abi Jahl was an enemy of allahh (that is he is not a muslim, just as i am not). If you now say that he is the worst enemy of mohammed you are by extension saying that all enemies of allahh are enemies of mohammed.

In many hadith mohammed had married women whose father were equally enemies of allahh, your claim that all his wives were muslims before he married them is false.

On the issue of fatimah in particular, it was clear that she doesn't want Ali to marry another woman (and well supported by her father). Mohammed asking Ali to divorce her daughter if she want to go ahead and marry another woman is very trickery. Had Ali done that, he would have instantly became mohammed's enemy and may even lose his life. You know that after this incidence, Ali never attempted to marry any other woman while fatimah was alive.

After the death of Fatimah, Ali married many wives. Why did Ali practice monogamy while fatimah was alive? Why did he instantly go polygamous as soon as fatimah died? I want you to connect the dots, the reasons are there in your trusted hadiths.

To make it simpler, he did not want to upset fatimah (only surviving daughter of a political and religios leader) and by extension incuring the wrath of mohammed.

POPdecorator:
u are already dead
dead with human shelter

Another terrorist in the making.

mustymatic:
You've read the hadith urself, Abu jahl was the enemy of Allah and his religion, his daughter can't go together with that of our beloved prophet. IF it were others daughter

I am telling you that mohammed, as an evil genius, never allowed any of his sons-in-laws to marry another woman beside his daughters. It is in the hadith; he often bring up excuses to ensure that he protect his daughters from having rivals. Mohammed said, in one of the hadiths, that whatever causes pain to fatimah would cause pain to him because she is his blood.
If mohammed can marry women whose fathers are not muslims, what stop Ali marrying another woman whose father is not also a muslim? Why can't mohammed allow Ali marry other women so that they can also become muslims (just as mohammed did)? You are not seeing this in a clearer picture, mohammed himself complain that 'JELOUSY' may not allow fatimah worship allahh properly.

If mohammed understood the psychological impact of women sharing their husbands with other women, by protecting his daughters against it, why did he permit muslim men to take multiple wives knowing the emotional depressions it can cause to a woman.

mustymatic:
You've read the hadith urself, Abu jahl was the enemy of Allah and his religion, his daughter can't go together with that of our beloved prophet. IF it were others daughter

See another hadith which explained the real emotional state of mohammed when he learnt that Ali wanted to marry another woman besides his daughter. The excuse that the father of the other woman Ali wanted to marry is an enemy of allahh is flimsy because mohammed himself married some women whose father are non-muslims (or enemy of allahh). Go throught the hadith below:

3867. Al-Miswar bin Makhramah narrated: "While he was on the Minbar, I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Indeed Banu Hisham bin Al-Mughirah asked me if they could marry their daughter to ‘Ali bin Abi Talib. But I do not allow it, I do not allow it, I do not allow it – unless ‘Ali bin Abi Talib wishes to divorce my daughter and marry their daughter, because she is a part of me. I am displeased by what displeases her, and I am harmed by what harms her.’" (Sahih)

[Abu ‘Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan Sahih. [And ‘Amr bin Dinar reported it similar to this from Ibn Abi Mulaikah from Al-Miswar bin Makhramah like this.]

Comments: At the time when ‘Ali wanted to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl and talked to her uncle Harith bin Hisham, all the sisters and the mother of Fatima had died, and she had no lady companion in this adversity. Obviously such situation is very troublesome for a father, so the Prophet dissuaded ‘Ali strongly, and asked him to drop the idea of marrying. (English Translation of Jami‘ At-Tirmidhi, Compiled by Imam Hafiz ‘Eisa Mohammad Ibn ‘Eisa At-Tirmidhi, From Hadith no. 3291 to 3956, translated by Abu Khaliyl (USA), ahadith edited and referenced by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair ‘Ali Za’i, final review by Islamic Research Darussalam [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, First Edition: November 2007], Volume 6, Chapter 60. What Has Been related About the Virtue of Fatimah Bint Muhammad, pp. 485-486; underline emphasis ours)

And: 1998. It was narrated that Mishwar bin Makhramah: "I heard the Messenger of Allah, when he was one the pulpit, say: ‘Banu Hisham bin Mughirah asked me for permission to marry their daughter to ‘Ali bin Abu Talib, but I will not give them permission, and I will not give them permission, and I will not give them permission, unless ‘Ali bin Abu Talib wants to divorce my daughter and marry their daughter, for she is a part of me, and what bothers her bothers me, and what upsets her upsets me.’" (Sahih)

Abuamam:
Lol. Typical robotic copy-paste response. Clap for yourself.

I expected you to say 'the hadith is weak, fabricated and not authentic'. Your are blindly following a criminal bro.

true2god:
Mohammed approved 4 wives for muslims but kicked against his son-in-law taking another wife besides his daughter, see hadith below:

Narrated 'Ali bin Al-Husain:
That when they reached Medina
after returning from Yazid bin
Mu'awaiya after the martyrdom of
Husain bin ‘Ali (may Allah bestow
His Mercy upon him), Al-Miswar bin Makhrama met him and said to him,
"Do you have any need you may
order me to satisfy?" ‘Ali said, "No."
Al-Miswar said, Will you give me the
sword of Allah’s Apostle for I am
afraid that people may take it from you by force? By Allah, if you give it
to me, they will never be able to
take it till I die." When ‘Ali bin Abu
Talib demanded the hand of the
daughter of Abi Jahl to be his wife
besides Fatima, I heard Allah’s Apostle on his pulpit delivering a
sermon in this connection before the
people, and I had then attained my
age of puberty. Allah’s Apostle said,
"Fatima is from me, and I am afraid she will be subjected to trials in her
religion (because of jealousy)." The Prophet then mentioned one of his
son-in-laws who was from the tribe
of ‘Abu Shams, and he praised him
as a good son-in-law, saying,
"Whatever he said was the truth,
and he promised me and fulfilled his promise. I do not make a legal thing
illegal, nor do I make an illegal thing
legal, but by Allah, the daughter of
Allah's Apostle and the daughter of
the enemy of Allah, (i.e. Abu Jahl)
can never get together (as the wives of one man) (See Hadith No.
76, Vo. 5). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume
4, Book 53, Number 342)

Judging by the hadith above, it was clear that mohammed (fraud be upon him), while he permitted maximum of 4 wives to muslims, discouraged his sons-in-law from taking another wive(s) besides his daughter(s).

This is what we call double-standard and hypocrisy, though you wont see it that way coz muslims are not allowed to do a critical appraisal of the conduct of their beloved prophet.

Abuamam:
Lol, the prophet (saw) a fraud? You would not understand because you have closed your eyes to anything good about Islam. You always try to interprete any of the actions of the prophet (saw) in a bad light and attribute bad intentions to him. Also, you only take your info from anti-Islam websites, so you only access what they want you to see of him...ie things that can be twisted to satisfy the needs of bigots and haters. You need to see the big picture, if you want to appreciate his character.

He was truly a humble man, he slept on straw mats and would go hungry for days; even though his followers were ready to hand over their wealth to him, and the whole of Arabia was in his hands. He was a loving husband that never once raised his voice at any of his wives, would do his own house chores and made men ashamed of treating their wives with contempt while simultaneously cohabiting with them, and exhorted love and harmony between spouses... a strange concept in pre-Islamic society where women were chattels. He was a sensitive man who would never turn his back first when leaving someone, who never refused a request; even for the clothes on his back, and who respected the old and was playful with the young. He was honest to the extent that his enemies would keep their wealth with him by night, even while they beat, choked and abused him by day... and he would still fulfill the trust. He was a truthful man, who frowned at even the most 'insignificant' form of falsehood; he even asserted that a Muslim cannot ever be a liar... how can such a man lie about his God? His every move was documented and remembered by thousands of followers who; along with him; endured exile, torture and some even death for the sake of his message of strict monotheism. He never responded to personal insult or injury, unless it was for the sake of Allah, and was always inclined to make peaceful pacts with his enemies, whenever possible. He never broke a act or a treaty. When he fought a war, it was never without provocation, and he would not submit to treachery or oppression. He was a man of strength who knew that there are times for peace and times for war. He was the best of men in my opinion, and I am proud to call him my leader.

Those are things that are in the same seerah and hadith; which you would never see on your dishonest anti-Islam websites, and which your brethren gloss over when they pretend to preach 'the truth about the prophet' to each other and to unaware Muslims. You say these are lies, but you accept other hadith as true when they can be twisted to your views. Yet it is I that needs to be rational.

Mohammed approved 4 wives for muslims but kicked against his son-in-law taking another wife besides his daughter, see hadith below:

Narrated 'Ali bin Al-Husain:
That when they reached Medina
after returning from Yazid bin
Mu'awaiya after the martyrdom of
Husain bin ‘Ali (may Allah bestow
His Mercy upon him), Al-Miswar bin Makhrama met him and said to him,
"Do you have any need you may
order me to satisfy?" ‘Ali said, "No."
Al-Miswar said, Will you give me the
sword of Allah’s Apostle for I am
afraid that people may take it from you by force? By Allah, if you give it
to me, they will never be able to
take it till I die." When ‘Ali bin Abu
Talib demanded the hand of the
daughter of Abi Jahl to be his wife
besides Fatima, I heard Allah’s Apostle on his pulpit delivering a
sermon in this connection before the
people, and I had then attained my
age of puberty. Allah’s Apostle said,
"Fatima is from me, and I am afraid she will be subjected to trials in her
religion (because of jealousy)." The Prophet then mentioned one of his
son-in-laws who was from the tribe
of ‘Abu Shams, and he praised him
as a good son-in-law, saying,
"Whatever he said was the truth,
and he promised me and fulfilled his promise. I do not make a legal thing
illegal, nor do I make an illegal thing
legal, but by Allah, the daughter of
Allah's Apostle and the daughter of
the enemy of Allah, (i.e. Abu Jahl)
can never get together (as the wives of one man) (See Hadith No.
76, Vo. 5). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume
4, Book 53, Number 342)

Abuamam:
Actually, I personally am grateful to ifeann. Before joining on these NL debates, I had largely neglected my books on seerah and hadith, and was busy with this world. Ifeann has done a lot to help me rediscover them. I love the prophet (saw) now like I never did in the past, before I really read the seerah. He was a truly great man, and I look at it as a wonderful favour that Allah guided me to the path of Islam; after having been one of them; and that He sent ifeann to revive my neglected study of Islam.

Keep deceiving yourself, God has sent us to challenge your belief in allahh, an arabia moon god who deceived mohammed and currently deceive muslims into beliving lies from mohammed.

Your taking your religion 'more seriosly' was rather to shake-off the truth which are laid bare in the quran and the hadith about mohammed and his crimes\atrocities. You need not build a shock-proof in your mind, open your mind to rational thinking to see the fraud in mohammed. The traditional teachings where mohammed is portrayed a good man is pure lie, he is an evil genius that ever walk on the face of the earth.

larrymoore:
It is certainly a seed that will never germinate.

Chill, people are more aware of the evil deeds of your prophet. I know you guys are not happy we are exposing him, we will continue doing that using your source materials, the quran and the hadith.

No damage control will help erase the evils of your prophets:

1) Cancelling adoptions among muslims coz of his illicit marriage to his adopted son's wife

2) Created the current hatred between the jews and the arabs-muslims

3) married a 6yr old girl

4) killing whoever opposed him, etc

The people that are touched with our exposing your prophet will not call you to tell you. Keep living in denail.

truthman2012:
If you call it recycling, we will keep it up till the truth sinks into your system.

No matter how the truth is recycled, it remains the truth. Keep it bro, we wont get tired of exposing the fraud in mohamMAD, and the falsehood in the quran with its numerous abrogations, and its anti-christians and anti-Jews rhetorics (quran 5:51, 9:29-30).

July2050:
We accommodated you and you decided to take our land from us. Shebi you have won house of reps seats in Lagos abi?

Just wait. Una just start. All the laws that we couldn't uphold in Lagos just because sw didn't have the centre will now be enforced. Starting with movie pirates. I hear they like to challenge law enforcement agents. Well, the police will start their work from may 29.

You will all have no choice but to leave Lagos. All those rep seats will be collected back in the next elections trust me.

We have started an awareness campaign against foreigners who want to take our land from us.

Every action has consequences. You have decided to play power politics on our soil. Get ready for the consequences.

Do you (your father) have land in Lagos state? Are you an indigene of Lagos state?

shahydbinaliyu:
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The reason for this religion section is to learn and show each other ways.. similarities and differences about our religion...


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ANYBODY THAT LIE AGAINST EVERYTHING ISLAM STANDS FOR, May ALLAH WRATH AND CURSE BE UPON THAT PERSON

Quran 9:30, The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah ";
and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

Stop cursing like your pedophillee prophet (piss be on him).