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AbaLion:
Today you're Ikwerre,

Tomorrow, you're Igbo.

Ameachi is confused.


-Lion

He is not confused but understood his enthnic group and ancestory. Forget about all these 'Ikwere is not Igbo' politics mantra deployed by the Nigeria's govt to undermine all Igbos. The name Chibuike (God is powerful) Amaechi (who knows tomorrow) is not a Fulani but a pure Igbo name and language, the same thing applicable to Nwike (not Wike) Ezenwa (not Ezenwo). Nwike means a strong child and Ezenwa means a king child.

baralatie:
And the US will auto retailiate with its own nukes in less than 5 minutes.

What do you think will be the outcome of Russia and the US releasing nukes on each other?

This is what they called MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION. They (the US and Russia) will destroy each other if both of them go into direct military confrontation.

brightalo1010:
In order words from your keyboard Russia and China will defeat USA, UK, Germany, France, Israel and other Nato nations and allied ba? Keep hyping Russia OK on NL

A combined Russia and China will defeat the US and Britian any day anytime. Stop the hallucination.

Meninmen:
Because US is not Russia's mate, whether Militarily or economically!. US is far ahead of Russia!

Let them attack Russia and get nuked within 45mins.

joyandfaith:
Has Russia won any war in the last 100 years ?

They crushed the great Germans (who flogged the French and the British) in world war 2. NATO can never threaten Russia or else ALL Europe (and most America) will turn to dust.

United Fulani Republic (for west African fulanis)

Brexxit:


South Africa is the giant of Africa.

Nigeria or United African republic is just a big for nothing entity with dickheads as leaders.

United Africa Republic or United Fulani Reprublic?

And so? Is it Pastor Adeboye that will lead the prayer?

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses please
note that this thread is for only JWs and it's not a means to start a debate, it's strictly a JW matter.
Hence it's close!

Thanks and God bless you!

You cannot come to a public space and tell the public the road to take and the one meant for you. If you don't want people to contribute kindly go to JW official website and make your comment. What makes you different from Nairaland Muslims who require you say the shahada before you can comment in 'ISLAM FOR MUSLIMS' section. You guys can be crazy at times.

He is a talkative and so he just discovered his calling.

DennisEche:
Eating dates during Ramadan, or any time of the year, can help you feel closer to our Prophet (SAW) and our religion
SO BECAUSE MOHD ATE DATES ALL OF YOU MUST DO SO.

Do you know why muslims and mallams like perfumes? Mohammed loves perfume.

MaxInDHouse:
You've gotten a presumed response in your heart so what difference will my response make? But for documentation perhaps others may like to know i'll oblige!

I don’t think you are a mind-reader and your opinion concerning my thought and position is wrong here.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is the first and foremost JW {Revelations 1:5} but he lived and served in the heavens before coming to the earth, there are countless angels who also formed the heavenly Organization of JWs with Jesus.
The first human JW on planet earth was Abel {Hebrews 11:4} but since Satan began ruling mankind after the fall of man in Eden there was NO ORGANIZED PEOPLE worshiping JEHOVAH! That's why Jehovah called Abraham out of Ur with the aim of forming an ORGANIZATION of humans doing JEHOVAH'S will on planet earth. You'll notice that Abel, Enoch and Noah lived before Abraham and they were all faithful to God yet God never referred to any of them as the father those having faith. Well it's because Abraham was the person called out to start preparing for God's organization on planet earth! Genesis 12:1-3 Ever since then Satan kept disrupting God's plan to form this Organization, not until Jesus came to establish Christianity that's the beginning of Satan's fall {Luke 10:18} the contention between God and Satan is that Satan boasted that there will never be an organized people worshiping God on planet earth. So the agreement was once this organized people began taken shape on earth Satan's days in heaven are numbered.

The first organized human that God consecrated to worship him are the Jews. The Jews are not JWs and the JWs are not Jews. However, the earliest patriarchs such as Abraham, Enoch, Noah, etc are not Jews despite the fact that the Jewish nation, founded by Moses, trace their ancestry of the aforementioned patriarchs. All the pre-new testament prophets are all Jews (and not JWs). Stop reading the Bible upside down!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why Satan and his demons were killing the Christians right from inception of Christianity until Satan shut himself in the foot by introducing DEMOCRACY! This government will allow for Freedom of choice of government by the people, hereby opening the way for Freedom of speech, expression and finally WORSHIP! So when America became the world power they declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION and WORSHIP! That was what gave people like Charles Taze Russell to start digging for the truth of God's word and instantly an organized people worshiping God in SPIRIT and TRUTH began taking shape! That was what led to ousting of Satan from heaven in 1914!
But God's people were just bearing the group name "Bible Students" not until Jesus finished reforming his group in the year 1935 and the light came revealing to my brothers that the real name JEHOVAH ordained is "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Why do you introduce democracy into the discussion? I will however help you clear your ignorance. Religious freedom is not the handiwork of America but Europe’s separation of the church and state. The head of the Catholic (In Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc) and the head of the Anglican (in the UK and her empire) were also the heads of state in medieval Europe. The separation of the church (religion) and state (politics) gave rise to classical philosophies, advancement in science and free thought which laid the foundation of modern democracy. It is this modern social setup that led to split in catholic church and the Anglican which gave birth to the protestant churches. The JW is also a subset of protestant churches which was made possible by the separation of the church and state, that’s the foundation for modern democracy. Without democracy there will be no JW, hence JW doesn’t function in most countries that have no democratic setting (Russia, China, North Korea, the Arab world, etc). You are very ungrateful to the same democracy that gives you religious freedom. Go and set up your kingdom hall in Norh Korea and China.

MaxInDHouse:
Before this organized people suffice there were God's people (though misinformed) in virtually all the religions on planet earth. But after Jesus appointed the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1919 all these people like lost sheep began saying goodbye to false religions and trooping in to God's Organization! So there was no UNIQUE GROUP until 1919 when Jesus choose the GB, even by then they were in prison for three years, but spontaneously after their release in 1919 this group just swift into action and start making disciples throughout the earth!
Nobody can refute the fact that this group wasn't commissioned by a powerful spirit after 100 years of their zealous preaching and industrious teaching globally because they were able to produce a global family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4
Who else could be behind such wonderful job if not the Prince of Peace himself? Isaiah 9:6

Jesus didn’t appoint the GB and Jesus never know them because they are false teachers. They have preached wrong in the past, published them on Awake! and Watchtower magazines and now have to lie to modify their old publications to meet current realities. Your Watchtower magazine of 1984 teaches that those who experienced WW1 in 1914 will not die off completely until Armageddon takes place and these teachings have been confirmed as a lie. So Jesus didn’t appoint the GB because they are liars!

MaxInDHouse:
So whether you believe or not God's Organization has stand out of all other religions that's why all of you even though you're all from different sect with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines keep antagonizing just one single group "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" John 15:19

Stop making yourself happy that everyone is antagonizing you; that’s not a sign of virtue. Your Awake! and Watchtower magazine are the one antagonizing everyone and calling JWs that want to leave ‘mentally diseased’. You call all other Christian group ‘Babylon the Great’, ‘the Christendom’, ‘Pagan’, and other defamatory titles but also claim persecution.

Are you guys ok at all?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all try to convince your cohorts that there are many ORGANIZATIONS claiming Christians though you may recognize them (as Christians) but we don't, if you're not a JW then it's impossible for you to be a Christian for real![i][/i] :

This is why I tell you that the level of brainwashing you have been subjected to is too deep. I asked you these questions and I repeat it again:

1. When was JW, as an organization, formed?

2. Who are the true Christian sect (organization) before the formation of watchtower track and bible society?

If you cant give a clear and simple answer, without muddling and obfuscating issues, then you are arguing from the position of ignorance.

achorladey:
The matter get as e be. It got to a stage many leaving will state, their is no clean way of leaving the ORGANIZATION. Anyone that leaves get labelled and they ensure that label is well pronounced so that other members will runaway whenever the one leaving approach them.

I like JW in a way. Unlike in Islam where the penalty for apostasy is death, according to sharia, the penalty for leaving the JW is shaming, shunning, blackmailing, disconnecting, and disassociation, even if the victim joins another Christian organization and leaves a peaceful and decent life.

achorladey:
The more reason true2god says you like muddling things up.

Did you even understand his explanation at all?

Answer is NO!

Don't you see the player in question is still a player of REAL MADRID?

You don't understand your own illustration paapaa. SMH for you ooooooo.

The scenario here is people that have left the very organization you belong, Why do you call them all sort of names like mentally diseased that carries HATRED?

Free lesson.

They will never see how hateful it is to call anyone who leaves JW mentally ill but will cry foul when Russia clamp down on their hateful organization.

They will bash Catholics, orthodox churches, Pentecostal churches, etc in their Watchtower and AWAKE magazines (but will never bash Islam because they will be put in their places) but when other churches react to their bashing and hatred, they shout PERSECUTION like cry babies. It is not a mental illness to join JW but a mental illness for anyone that dares to leave. How hateful can that be for an organization that claims to be peaceful while passively aggressive?

Janosky:
Acts 19:19-20.
19 "A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas. 20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power."


Bros "true2god", is Acts 19:19,20 missing in your Bible?

"true2god" ( & "Christain" indeed ) is telling this forum that Acts 19:19 "is basically control of information that all disciples should have access to; a type of control and information-control mechanism of the scrolls of sorcery."
The disciples should have access to the scrolls of sorcery and disobey God.
2 Thess 3:6 & 2John 1:9-11 no dey him Bible.

This same hypocrite wey say 1 Cor 5:1-2,11-13 & 2 Thess 3:6,2 John 1:9-11 is "robotic and passive tyranny."

Jehovah's servants will always practice the principles of Acts 19:19-20 ,2 John 1:9-11 and
2 Thess 3:6.
Slaves of gods of men & Churchpreneurs, the real zombies stubbornly disobey.

Juxtaposing unrelated Bible verses to muddle up issues (a typical JW strategy) is stale. The discussion lies on JW being fined 13000 dollars for their hatred and passively (and actively engaging) spreading hatred against anyone who leaves the organization.

If a soccer player decided to leave Barcelona for Real Madrid, it will be evil for Barcelona press to be spreading hatred against their former player who joined Real Madrid and this is what JW is notorious for. While they welcome new member with a warm smile and embrace, they malign anyone who chooses to leave the organization and perhaps decided to join another Christian organization. See what your watchtower said again:

Taken from 'Will you heed Jehovah's warnings?' The Watchtower, 15 July 2011:

"Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them (apostates). We know what he means, but are we determined to heed his warning in all respects? What is involved in avoiding false teachers? We do not receive them into our homes or greet them. We also refuse to read their literature, watch television programmes that feature them, examine their websites, or add our comments to their blogs. Why do we take such a firm stand? (my words: this is basically control of information that JW members should have access to; a type of control and information-control mechanism)

"Because of love. We love 'the God of truth', so we are not interested in twisted teachings that contradict his Word of truth."

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you say doesn't move JWs my friend!
Because we're already living in our own spiritual Paradise, so no matter what you feel, think, say or do means nothing to us.
It's you and your cohorts that's worried now even when you call us zombies you still want to marry a zombie, think about that!

. You are living in your own imaginary paradise bro! Wake up!

MaxInDHouse:
You're very funny my guy!
For your information when a normal person see an insane both of them will say to each other "you are an insane" it's when they now get to gatherings that befit their intellect that you can distinguish between the two. But from the start both will surely accuse each other to be insane!

So in the gathering of JWs we relate with one another globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers despite the diversity in skin colour, tradition and ethnicity. Nothing can make us raise weapons against our neighbours no matter what happens we will go for dialogue and within our group is absolutely PEACE.

I believe you too can say the same about sane persons that come together to form your religious group, shey?

Taken from 'Will you heed Jehovah's warnings?' The Watchtower, 15 July 2011:

"Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them (apostates). We know what he means, but are we determined to heed his warning in all respects? What is involved in avoiding false teachers? We do not receive them into our homes or greet them. We also refuse to read their literature, watch television programmes that feature them, examine their websites, or add our comments to their blogs. Why do we take such a firm stand? (my words: this is basically control of information that JW members should have access to; a type of control and information-control mechanism)

"Because of love. We love 'the God of truth', so we are not interested in twisted teachings that contradict his Word of truth."

This article also called apostates ‘mentally diseased’. So if you leave JW you are mentally diseased according to watchtower organization. That’s why we call JW zombies.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and argue with Jesus!

He is the one and only human who ever claimed access to absolute TRUTH {John 14:76} yet he taught his listeners about light getting brighter: "You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know, Salvation is of the Jews. But this time around (talking about light getting brighter) people won't need to converge in Jerusalem like before, rather they will worship in Spirit and in Truth" John 4:22-24

That's Jesus' response to a Samaritan woman who was still complaining about what Jews were claiming regarding monopoly of truth only for Jesus to confirm that the Jews has been right all along yet the light will soon get brighter! Proverbs 4:18

My friend, your cohorts agitating in this thread know me very well so i purposely ignored them because i know they're anticipating response from me but i'll make them thirst for it! Luke 16:24-25

So just go and relax i've gotten more than enough evidence to prove that the JWs are the one and only true Christian group! Isaiah 54:17

Why do you insert the statement 'talking about the light getting brighter' in the text (John 4:22-24). That's intellectual dishonesty that you have been tutored by JW to be. You can quote the exact text wthout inserting your bias into the text and explain later. As a matter of fact, you would have made more sense quoting the book of proverbs, in full and explain, independently, the whole verse, talking into consideration the proceeding and the verses that followed. Of course you won't do that because it will expose your dishonesty induced by years of robotic mind programming by the JW.

We are gradually moving from the epicenter of this discussion which centererd on JW being fined for teaching and encouraging hatred, especially against anyone who discovered the lies in your organization and decide to walkaway. Should I remind you that, in one of your watchtower magazines, the publishers said anyone that leaves your organization has mental illness. That's to say all non-JWs have mental illnesses.

That's an organization that claims to have absolute truth when the opposite is the case.

achorladey:
which is less than 200 year old and have modified, and are still modifying their doctrines, has no monopoly of 'Truth'. If your light keeps getting brighter it is foolhardy to believe you have the absolute truth. That claim by JW defy logic and commonsense.



Nice point expressed up there.

And when a member of the JWs organisation write or tell them in the face that whatever they are selling he/she is not buying anymore. That person is labelled "THOSE THAT LEADS OTHERS TO SIN".

How can truth keep changing from past to present and to future and you could see one of them responding to your post was making case that the organization he belongs has ABSOLUTE TRUTH. The stuff get as e be. Indeed the claim defy logic

It remains a mystery for an organization to claim exclusive right to 'Truth' when they are modifying their teachings to conform to latest biblical discoveries; the principles of the light getting brighter.

MaxInDHouse:
So are you ready to reason or you're just here to accuse JWs?

Because your ranting wouldn't change the fact that our God differs from yours so if you're truly interested in meaningful discussion i'll implore you to open your own thread and i'll be there to reason along with you. But as long as you're agitating on this thread whatever you're saying will continue to fall on deaf ears!

For your information Russia declared JWs a TERRORIST GROUP and most religionists around the world are jubilating over it while nonreligious elites are speaking against Russia. WHY?
The religionists like the first century Jewish religious leaders would be pleased to see JWs squashed from the surface of the earth because our beliefs and ways of doing things exposes their hypocrisy. But on the other hand the nonreligious elites feel JWs are the most peaceful and peaceloving group the world has ever known!

You're pained as i equate RCCG with Boko Haram shey?

Well from the viewpoint of military intelligence any religion that encourages their members to resort to violence (use of weapons) as the last means of solving serious issues is the same! Matthew 26:52

The Boko Haram goes about using weapons and death threat to intimidate people into joining their sect, the RCCG will also use weapons in solving racial disputes and political contentions.
So from the standpoint of the military intelligence both are guilty of blood as they will raise up weapons to resolve issues they feel dialogue can't solve. But the JWs will never ever raise weapons against anyone no matter what. What their commader in chief ordered them to do is FLEE if they find out that dialogue will not settle the issues! Matthew 10:23

So when you ask me what i or my people (who don't believe in using weapons) would do when one of us decides to marry religionists (who believe in using weapons) i'll tell you Hell NO!
Because when things get too difficult for our children to resolve no matter how close they are from childhood your own people will encourage them to KILL whereas my own people will tell them separate and leave the community for them!

I can see how devastated you are about the seemingly unmatched comparison but if you're willing to discuss i'll tell you my own PERSONAL reasons apart from what JWs TAUGHT me so don't think i just swallowed it hook line and sinker without a deep thought. I once served with the military intelligence and from there i learnt that all religionists that will support use of weapons during misunderstanding are the same! Micah 4:3

When you're ready for reasoning please open another thread and let's chat as in discuss heart to heart not this agitation because i'm used to that already in the army so it doesn't mean anything to me!

How can someone so robotic and preprogarmmed, as you are, seek a rational dialogue? It is like seeking a discussion with a computer software with a preprogtammed answering machine. That will amount to waste of time and energy. You want to engage in a fruitful dialogue when you cannot answer a simple question on how your family and JW will handle your sister getting married to a RCCG member. You accused me of being agitated, a typical emotional blackmail JW tactics, when I am the one trying to make you see the bigger picture and be rational even for once.

Zeal without knowledge is stupidity. I know you are a very zealous JW but that's a zeal from the product of ignorance and years of brainwashing. I asked you, or one of you a question:

1). When was JW as a religious organization formed?

2) What and which was a true Christian organization before JW came into existence?

MaxInDHouse:
You think nah?
People think differently so you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Using your equation principle/formula, I can as well equate the average reasoning of a JW to a psychiatric patient who will never admit he has mental issue. However we that have spent over 20 years to understand the psychology of an average JW can conclude that there is a thin line between s complete psycho and a radical JW.

MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis in the first century also claim that the first century Christians weren't worshiping God but their dead leader (Jesus) so i'm cool with whatever you conclude Sir!


If your own sister falls in love with a Boko Haram member and decides she's marrying him for LOVE (note that she's not leaving your RCCG o neither will the bobo leave Boko Haram) what will you as in you yourself (not even your church this time) do?

Thank God you understood the fact that the saducceee and the Pharisees are the same in Judaistic religion but differ slightly on doctrines. There is no any religious organization without a sect and yours, which is less than 200 year old and have modified, and are still modifying their doctrines, has no monopoly of 'Truth'. If your light keeps getting brighter it is foolhardy to believe you have the absolute truth. That claim by JW defy logic and commonsense. And it is very disheartening that an average JW had been programmed to be robotic who shouldn't think outside the box.

And for any person placing RCCG in the same basket with Boko Haram, it is a sign of a religiously-induced mental illness and here the culprit is JW.

Peace!

Janosky:
2 Thessalonians 3:6, NIV: "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us"

Please tell this forum,is 2 Thess 3:6 & 1Cor 5:1-3,11-13 missing in your Bible?

Ok,those verses in your Bible are "robotic & unbiblical practice" to slaves of gods of men.

****2
1 Corinthians15:12-14, Bros tell this forum: what does your Bible says about the faith of such a person?
John 7:16. John15:15, Shey Jesus teaching is dissenting from the teaching of his Father?
Una go dey shout Jesus upandan as if....
Bros, Your hypocrisy is luminous.


1 Corinthians 7:12-15 is our biblical response to your last question. Every JW knows that.
Shalom.

The keywords is: 'who doesn't live'.

What are the things the so-called JW must be doing that made him 'who doesn't live'? Is it his beliefs (Paul and Peter differs slightly in their beliefs) or his lifestyle?

MaxInDHouse:
Neither am i going to answer your question? Matthew 21:27

You can't/won't answer because you are not serving God but the JW. You are worshiping the GB in Brooklyn NY. Let me ask you again:

If your sister falls in law with an RCCG member and decides he is the one for her to marry, what will your family or organization do?

achorladey:
The comparison no be here at all. . I believe he has just told stylishly as well that their is no difference between BOKO HARAM and other Christian denominations. They can lump every other things together to look good in their own very eyes.

I think anyone equating RCCG to Boko Haram is mentally sick.

MaxInDHouse:
I will also ask you a question!

If your sister (born again) decides to marry a Boko Haram commader (who promised to love her )in the name of LOVE with the aim of converting him to your God, what will you (not your church this time) but you do towards her?

Note that she's not leaving your RCCG neither is the Boko Haram commader leaving his faith but they both vowed to love each other till death do them path!

For even comparing RCCG to Boko Haram already signifies how your mind had been twisted and messed up by JW. I wish you the best in your failed mindset induced by years of subtle hatred and passively aggressive doctrine pumped into your subconscious mind by JW.

MaxInDHouse:
Neither are JWs forcing anyone to stay in the group!
If you don't appreciate scriptural principles JWs do.
Apostle Paul said unrepentant wrongdoers who turns their backs on the truth should be disfellowshiped {1Corinthians 5:13} meaning all Christians should SHUN such persons!

Apostle John said whoever comes to you but doesn't bring the same scriptural standards should be SHUNED! {2John 10-11} whereas Christians must be peaceable with all men {Romans 12:18} so what is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION? We can chat, talk, play, eat, drink and party with anyone be it believer or not, but anyone who has known the scriptural standards and decides to turn his/her back on it MUST BE SHUNED! Hebrews 10:24-28

So nobody is begging anyone to stay, if you leave the Organization nobody must greet you whoever does has become a shearer with you in your evil.
That's what the scriptures say! Romans 16:17

How many are JWs globally?
Less than 9,000,000
How many are those who will not shun you?
Over 8,000,000,000
So if JWs shun you make friends with others, you can't force yourself on people, it's not by force to be our friend!

You've got 1,000 persons around you (every other religions in the world) but you purposely choose one as your best friend (JW Organization) and vowed to live up to the terms and conditions of your friendship with this one friend. Then you suddenly feel you're tired of his dos and donts so it's time to say goodbye and abandon the terms and conditions of your one time cherished friendship. Your friend accepted his fate and continue with his life only for you to come back telling him you want him to continue being your friend without those terms and conditions that you know your friend cherish with all his life!

Haba! What stops you from forgetting all about him and his stupid conditions when you're still having 999 friends around if truthfully you're sincere with your own soul? John 3:19

Let me test your level of humanity. If your sister falls in love with a man who attends another church, eg RCCG, and decides to leave the JW so that she can be marry whom she loves, what will your family/organization do to/towards her?