CallMeDrino: A former presidential candidate Kingsley Moghalu has questioned the operation of the military in Orlu, Imo State, Igbere TV reports.
Soldiers invaded Orlu on Monday and engaged a group believed to be members of the Eastern Security Network of the Indigenous People of Biafra in a duel, sending residents scampering for safety.
The incident forced Governor Hope Uzodimma to impose a dusk-to-dawn curfew in 12 local government areas of Imo West Senatorial District.
Tweeting on Wednesday, Moghalu said the presence of the military in a police matter should be questioned.
Four soldiers were reported killed in the incident.
The number of casualties from the group remained disputed.
The Nigerian military is an occupational force in the south east/south south since 1970. They cant try this in the south west no matter the provocation.
Yujin: This is TAQIYYA... The Arabic name for deception. One of the best military advisor in history taught me clearly that 'war is based on deception'. Ask yourself what's the aim of this message? It is to give you a false sense of peace whereas they're planning and perfecting their logistics. I tell you all; no reasonable man likes violence and war but when some situations present themselves, even with all assurances, he's able to know that he needs to prepare for war. Hear me today! War is at your doorstep and the fulanis are risking it all because if they succeed, the bounty will be plentiful. This is an insane gamble from them that can make or mar their people. It is like staking all your life savings on a bet... If you win, you rake in billions but if you don't, poverty becomes your companion. Mark my words today for most of what I've always written have come to pass. All the people of the south and the middlebelt must come together and insist on the division of Nigeria. While doing so, they must stock arms and ammunition and must be ruthless in executing the division. They won't show you mercy even if you don't fight them. Are they not currently entering people's farms and eating up their sweat and blood? Are they not killing travellers recklessly at present? In this world, it is only the strong that survive. If you're weak physically, be strong mentally because it can assist you to survive in the midst of those with strength. DON'T BE WEAK BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY. A stitch in time saves nine.
"War is deceit”. Muhammad (the prophet of Islam), Sahih Bukhari 52:269.
"...the earth belongs to allah and his messenger". Muhammad (the prophet of Islam), Sahih Muslim 4363.
The implication here is that all the oil and gas, land, rivers, seas, vegetations in the south and the middle-belt part of Nigeria belong to allah and mohammed, and by extension to muslims only, and Nigeria in particular to the muslim Fulanis. Miyetti Allah have read the quran and the hadith and they know exactly what they are saying.
The solution, match them fire with fire, blood with blood and they will go away. Thats the only language they understand else they will implement the hadith and the seerah rasoolullah (the biography of mohammed) on you.
soundOsonic: All Ladies will tell you to go for her, this is because they are Ladies and can find themselves in that situation. A single mother of not just one but two? Baba reason am now. The game score na 2-0 already, sharp handicap match. If you play this kind match for bet9ja self the odd of winning is low. The odd of this working perfectly fine is low oga. I am not a redpiller o or this Alpha male stuff people say. Common sense should dictate to you that the person that is meant to marry her is an old man of maybe 50 or 60 that already have kids. Your business now should be your business you just startup. Truth be told the Lady doesn't love you, you are just an end to her means. Oh yes lest I forget, the guy up there said something when you lick sugar too much it go purge you, later after the purging you no go like sugar again, you go be like our elderly bros them wey no like sweet things
gidgiddy: Stop talking nonsense. She said that Igbos are not united enough about the Presidency of Nigeria to be talking about Biafra. The question then is, must you be united about about the Presidency of the country you belong to before you agitate for your independence?
Should Scotland have been united about producing the Prime minister of the United kingdom before seeking and getting their 2014 independence referendum?
Should Eriterians have been united about seeking the Presidency of Ethiopia before they agitated about having their independence from Ethiopia?
If Adichie is saying that Igbos are not united enough amongsts themselves to talk or go for Biafra, then there is no point to Nigeria because Nigerians are not united about anything, but still have Nigeria
Daddy Freeze would prefer criticising Pastors to his fraudulent and 419 friends such as Hushpuppy. It seems people are no longer taking him serious but would like to remain relevant by attacking a soft target (church pastors).
When will he start attacking hard targets (Fulani herdsmen, APC misrule, killings in the country and nepotism under the Buhari-led APC govt)? He fully understands the consequences.
advocatejare: So Allah failed in preserving the injeel and Torah? Allah is a failure Allah failed to preserve the Quran and Zaid and Uthman had to help Allah rewrite the Quran and even that one was lost until Ibn Mujahid became the new Allah
Muhammad never reviewed anything. He failed woefully. Ibn Mujahid is the author of the modern day Quran.
Muhammad died in 632 AD
Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.
The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.
During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)
But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.
So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa "...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510
So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.
"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510
Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D.20years after Muhammad had died
Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran
The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization: Fathah = ah Dhammah = oo Kasrah = ii
None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them
That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received
WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?
Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to directly. Qur'an was supposedly revealed to muhammad by an unknown, dog-fearing, giant jinn that covered the whole horizon who tormented Muhammad severally in the cave so much that he attempted suicide several times
Even Umar showed us that he was the one lending brain of revelation to Muhammad and whoever was inspiring him. Umar already met up with that challenge.
"Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab) My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5). -Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395
You are schooling us Muslims with facts and superior argument. I would like to enrol into your school and I wouldn't mind if you offer full scholarship. Well done bro!
advocatejare: So that who may understand it? Now you've just said that Muhammad was only sent to the Arabs and not the entire world because if it's true that Allah created all languages why would he reveal the Quran in only Arabic language and claim that you can only understand his word in Arabic ? Why didn't he make everyone Arabic speakers then?
The same Allah said, he sent messengers in the language of his people, so muhammad was sent only to the Arabs and not to the world as you Muslims lie about.
The old testament is in Hebrews while the new testament is in Greek.
The original Quran was written on bones, stones, leaves and Uthman and Zaid burnt them, today there is no original Quran. There were not diacritical marks during the days of Muhammad and during the days of Uthman the author and editor of the present day Quran
As at 652 A.D. when Uthman compiled, standardized and burnt the original manuscripts of the Quran, were there diacritical marks in Arabic language?
Diacritical marks only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran. (This is verifiable fact)
The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah Dhammah = oo Kasrah = ii
None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them
That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received.
If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran
That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, Ibn Mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.
After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation.
The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran.
But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted.
The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.
In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.
Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend
Why do we have Shia and Sunni Muslims today, it's because they both differed on the authenticity of the Quran and today Shia and Sunni Muslims are sworn enemies, Nigerian Sunnis are killing Nigerians Shia led by elzakyzaky.
Saudi Arabia and Iran are sworn enemies.
What was the cause of their fight? Authenticity of the Quran.
Pictures below confirm the evidence of different versions of the Quran.
Empiree: hello, I'm not in position to give more details at the moment because I am busy.
However allow me to drop one or two things. If you study bible you get to see several authors of the bibles by human beings. Some books of the bible were even written by unknown writers. I have dealt with this topic 5 yrs ago on this platform. You can find it in rilwayne001's thread.
Bibles you have today are fake especially the most "trusted" of all, King James Bible. It is the only authorized version of the Bible according to Bible scholars. It is as fake at plastic surgery. Please I am not trying to mock your religion but to give you facts. They even have gay Bible, kiddie Bible etc. Ask yourself, did Jesus write these too?.
So if King James Bible is the most trusted and authorized version, why would RSV (Revised Standard Version) condemned King James Bible?. On the preface of RSV it says King James version is horrible. Read screenshots for yourself. You can google it too. It is still on the preface of RSV till today.
Educate yourself my friend. Christianity is fraud.
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There are elements of truth in the Bible but christians DO NOT follow these truths. They have shamelessly abandoned the truth in the Bible and follow man-made doctrine (Paul). Every religious practices legislated in the Bible are practiced by Muslims but christians follow every practices condemned by the bible. I didnt make this up. I can give you references if you want when i have time.
I understand your concern when you brought out the KJV as your proof that the Bible is corrupt. Note, there is a big difference between english translation like the KJV, NIV, RSV, GNB, etc (just like you have Yusuf Ali, sahih international, Mushin Khan, Picktall, Ahmed Ali translations of the Quran) and Bible Hebrew and Greek manuscript. Now let me burst your bubble, both sahih international and Yusuf Ali translated Quran 10:5 differently. Go and read it and tell me which one is the right translation.
Now, let's come back to your concern, KJV uses old english in their translations which in modern days can be very wrong to current english readers. For example, the KJV version often use the word 'the holy ghost' to refer to 'the holy spirit'. Ghost and Spirit, to modern english speakers, are different but to the english speakers of 200-400 years ago they have not problem with that.
Besides, the word 'it' was also used for spirits in KJV instead of 'he' or 'his' as a pronoun for spirits. To a modern reader this is a problem because it makes spirits sound like inanimate objects. The good news here is that the translator of KJV have understood this concern and try to revised the translation in order to address this concern and are never ashamed to address them publicly. The result is the production of the NKJV.
And note, there is a different between biblical manuscripts and Bible translations. KJV is a Bible translations into english language, and just as you cannot refer Yorubas quranic translations as a standard Quranic manuscript you cannot hold KJV into the same standard. I hope you get the logic and understand my english.
So stop using Islamic, and ACADIP template, to blackmail the Bible and the Christan faith in particular. That talking point can only work on the uninformed. Thank you!
Muslims' hatred for the Christian faith and Christians is legendary. The OP should remember that Hajj is 100% rooted in idolatery. Muslims should be more concerned with the idolaterous root of kissing the blackstone, doing Tarfa and marwa, stoning the devil in Mecca (which are Arabs preislamic paganism, and today's Hindus also do). This is well documented in the hadith and seerah rasoloollah
advocatejare: If the gospel is lost why did Allah ask the people of the gospel to judge by what is in the gospel? Was Allah telling them to judge from a non existent book?
"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient." (QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 47)
If the gospel was not written down into a book, why are Christians referred to as the people of the book in the Quran?
"O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?" (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 65)
There is no statement or proof from the Quran that Muslims hold as the word of jibreel by Allah that the gospel is lost, and at what point did the gospel get lost?
Gospel means good news, the good news that Jesus preached and was recorded by his followers and compiled into a book just like the Quran actually means recite, and was compiled into a book after Muhammad died.
Muslims claim the gospel is lost but the authors of the Quran plagiarized the same gospel:
Luke 1:13-14: But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth
Quran plagiarism: "[He was told], O Zechariah, indeed We give you good tidings of a boy whose name will be John. We have not assigned to any before [this] name." (QS. Maryam 19: Verse 7)
Luke 1:18 And Zechariah said to the angel, “How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is advanced in years.”
Quran plagiarism: "He said, My Lord, how will I have a boy when my wife has been barren and I have reached extreme old age?" (QS. Maryam 19: Verse
Luke 1:22 And when he came out, he was unable to speak to them, and they realized that he had seen a vision in the temple. And he kept making signs to them and remained mute.
Quran plagiarism: "So he came out to his people from the prayer chamber and signaled to them to exalt [Allah] in the morning and afternoon." (QS. Maryam 19: Verse 11)
The books that were not lost and that were preserved more than 500 years after Christ died and resurrected, for Muhammad was was born around 570 A.D. to have seen the Jews and Christians is Mecca reading those books and yet Muslims are now claiming that the books are lost.
At what point did it get lost?
Even Sahih Bukhari Vol 1 Book 1 Hadith 3 narrated how Waraqa, Khadijah's cousin used to write from the Gospel in Hebrew language. That's to tell you that the Gospel was very much available during the time of Muhammad and it was the same Waraqa that helped Muhammad to erroneously confirm that it was Gabriel that was revealing things to Muhammad The gospel was lost yet it was available to Waraqa to copy from during the days of Muhammad, as Allah had wished him to?
"... Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write...." -Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3
Here we are told that Waraqa, the man that erroneously pronounced Muhammad as a Prophet used to write from the Gospel as Allah wished him. So it tells you that the Gospel was available in the time of Muhammad and it was available in his localities and the fact that Allah endorsed Waraqa to copy from it, that means it was the original gospel or are you saying that your Allah endorsed a fake gospel to be copied by waraqa?
"Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly." - Sahih Bukhari 4:55:605
As for the Quran, Muhammad didn't write it either, the first complete Quran was compiled 20years after Muhammad had died, and the other manuscripts were burnt. The current Quran is the handiwork of Ibn Mujahid
Read Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 for the narration of how the Quran was written
Rash4ductluv, Antichristian and Empiree won't tell you the truth, their aim is to confuse you the more. Read the Bible, the Quran and the hadith by yourself and you will understand many things about Islam and Christianity.
Arewa247: Islam means peace. slam means total submission to the will of Allah. Islam means believe in Allah, his messengers, his books, his angels and the last day. we have two major religion in Nigeria that is Islam and Christianity. the Muslims believe in Allah and the messengers send by Allah to humanity, ranging from Adam(a.s) to prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
to be continue
Islam means to 'submit', 'surrender'. It doesn't mean 'Peace'. Islam means surrender, the same way a culprit is meant to surrender to the authorities. If you are not a muslim you are a culprit that needs to submit to allah and his messenger (quran 9:29, quran 8:39, sahih Bukhari 4:52:220, etc)
AntiChristian: What's the difference between the ahadith collected by Bukhari and Sahih Bukhari?
The former is all the 600000 collected by Bukari while the latter is the approved one commonly called 'sahih' Bukari because of it alleged authenticity.
AntiChristian: A rumour doesn't come with authentication, chains of narrators, etc as do our Ahadith.
One hundred people can peddle a rumour, which might be untrue. The number of 'chains of narrators' (or rumour carriers) does not make a gossip or rumour (hadith in this case) true.
AntiChristian: Is the Bible not a rumour according to Luke 1:1-4?
Mark and Luke never met Jesus. They didn't mention where their source of information was. No chains of narrators like the hadiths. No authentication. Even Mathew and John were not present when Jesus was born. They met in between the story yet they wrote the story from the beginning copying texts, etc.
And after Jesus went up. Saul became Paul and then wrote about 14 out of 28 books of the New testament!
Moreover I will like to ask you if it is possible for Moses to have written his own obituary in the last book of Moses?
Why are you guys more of hypocrites like these?
The Bible is not a rumour but an eye-witness account of events. My friends, even though they may not know when/where I was born can write my biography providing these details in their books from secondary sources that are verifiable. And note, Jesus, from childhood, was well know among the Jews, rabbis, saduccees and the pharisees.
On Paul, what he wrote were epistles (long letters) to various churches and individuals in the early church. The reason it is always called THE EPISTLE OF PAUL.
On Moses, the first 5 books of the Jewish scriptures were written by Jewish scribes under the inspiration of God. It was named 'the 5 books of Moses' because Moses was the central figure in the 5 books and in Jewish religion.
AntiChristian: Bring the evidences of what you're typing make we see!
Saneesk: I wanted to ask when offering a nafl prayer must you start with the iqama before takbir or you straight up you take the takbir then surah fatiha.
Also are you to recite aloud or silent during nafl prayers please elaborate.
You can convert to Islam freely but very dangerous to leave, especially if you reside in a conservative muslim nation like saudi arabia, iran or sudan.
GofuckYourself: Again I warn you severely if truly you have some peripheral knowledge then you know the consequences
Be warned how you mislead others
Everything I know of spiritism I was taught by my grandma (now late) from age 5 . I grew up staying with her learning firstly about the beings ..what whites call fairies ,elves and garden gnomes
I learned about all these beings and how to communicate with them , how to bring them close and keep them far. I learned about the good ones and the bad ones
I learned about the ones for water , air , fire , plants and soil
I learned about the dates and stars , I learned about the power of native names called at your birth
I learned about possession have seen it live and direct
I learned about reincarnation
I learned about the power of past Earth lives and their influence in current ones
I learned about the witching hour
I learned about the human blood and it's uses
I learned about all the plants and their powerful ones
I learned about animals and their protective ways
I learned about spirit travel i learned about the spirit body
I learned about protection from evil and why spiritism isn't taught openly
I learned about every single demon and their tongue
I learned about the life after death
I learned of the lands up and down in the spirit world
Bros I have learned way too much and sacrificed too much for chartalans like you to tell me what not
Beware spiritism isn't a joke
I know what all this knowledge has caused me
Bros this isn't a movie
Becareful
Enough said
How does our past live impact on our current life on earth?
AntiChristian: There are many classifications of hadiths the most common being Sahih (authentic), hasan (Good), Do'eef (weak) and Mawd'oo (fabricated).
Sheikh Albani, Al Bayhaqi and Al-Thahabi made that claim.
Al-Albani said in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah, 25: (it is) mawdoo’ i.e. fabricated.
Many Ahadith of Imam Bukhari are fake? Another lie. How much is this many of yours bring the numbers and percentage?
On a project now but I will school you more on Monday.
Note: All the hadith collected by Imam Bukhari was about 600000 but was later filtered to about 7250 Hadith, meaning that over 92% of the original hadith collected by Imam Bukhari were considered fake and fabricated. How can you depend on the work of a man whose work, over 92%, was considered unreasonable?
And on a final note, the hadith is also a tumour, or gossip, some anonymous peddled about Mohammed. Imam Bukhari didn't see any of the sahabas who reported so so and so. He came over 200 years after the death of all the sahabas hence all what he documented as your hadith are mere rumours and gossips from the people he met in Arabia when he embarked on the task of collecting the hadth.
Imam Bukhari is not the only one gathering rumours as your hadith. Hafs, whose quranic recitation style you are using today, also collected many hadith but his collections were discarded because he was considered unreasonable. How can Muslims accept the quranic recitation of Hafs while the reject his hadith? A question begging for answers from we kuffar.
advocatejare: You're yet to answer the simple question asked
Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?
Liar
Umar has told us how he was the one inspiring your fictitious Allah to reveal the Quran to the false Prophet.
Anything Umar desired, he only had to say it to Muhammad and boom, Muhammad would claim that Allah has revealed it.
"Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab) My Lord agreed with me in three things:
1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)
2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.
3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5). -Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395
Anything Muhammad wanted to do that he knew would raise eyebrows of the people, he would simply use Allah as a scape goat by claiming that Allah was the one that inspired him like when Muhammad conceived in his heart to marry the wife of Zaid while they were still married and how he eventually married her and how after the wedding, he sent his guest away by hiding behind a curtain and claiming to have revelation from Allah to send them away:
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:95 Narrated By Anas bin Malik I was ten years old when Allah's Apostle arrived at Medina. My mother and aunts used to urge me to serve the Prophet regularly, and I served him for ten years. When the Prophet died I was twenty years old, and I knew about the order of Al-Hijab (veiling of ladies) more than any other person when it was revealed. It was revealed for the first time when Allah's Apostle had consummated his marriage with Zainab bint Jahsh. When the day dawned, the Prophet was a bridegroom and he invited the people to a banquet, so they came, ate, and then all left except a few who remained with the Prophet for a long time.
The Prophet got up and went out, and I too went out with him so that those people might leave too. The Prophet proceeded and so did I, till he came to the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place. Then thinking that these people have left by then, he returned and so did I along with him till he entered upon Zainab and behold, they were still sitting and had not gone. So the Prophet again went away and I went away along with him. When we reached the threshold of 'Aisha's dwelling place, he thought that they had left, and so he returned and I too, returned along with him and found those people had left. Then the Prophet drew a curtain between me and him, and the Verses of Al-Hijab were revealed.
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity." (QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 53)
That was how Muhammad used Allah as a scapegoat to send his friends away so that he could have time to consummate his marriage with the wife of his adopted son
Allah revelation never came to Muhammad. Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Only an unknown jinn that tormented him in the cave of Hira spoke to him. Show us where Allah spoke to Muhammad in the Quran. In the same Quran, allah spoke to Moses and others but never to Muhammad. Why did Allah find Muhammad unworthy of being spoken to?
I will show you waraqa's error if you can show me the proof that Allah and not a jinn recited the Quran to Muhammad
advocatejare: Yes because that statement means that Muhammad was as wise as Allah and vice versa
Answer the simple question.
Who knows best? Allah only or Allah and his Messenger?
Liar, Allah never spoke to Muhammad. Allah never found Muhammad worthy of being spoken to. Allah never revealed anything to Muhammad. It was an unknown jinn who waraqa erroneously suggested was Namus and whom muhammad confused as jibreel was the one that spoke to Muhammad.
I agree with you, Allah never for once spoke to mohammed except through an intermidiary who muslims call jibril.
Realismailakabir: [The Hadith you Quoted is Hadith- Mawdoo (fabricated hadith) which is worse than Daeef (weak hadith) ALL Hadith scholars testified to its fakeness! The hadith is so very fake!!! quote author=true2god post=97163926]al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalayl an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na’eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A’dham (radiyallahu ta`ala anhu) that:
The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you” (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)
Mention the names of the hadith scholars that say it is fake. Your friend antichristian said it is not saheeh and you say it is fake, who do I believe. Remember, if a weak is not saheeh that doesn't make it fake. There are many hadith of Imam Bukhari that are also called fake, why should this be since Islam is a perfect religion in text and practice?
Realismailakabir: How does this mean equating his knowledge is Allah's unlimited knowledge? He (saw) do ask his companions this type of questions to teach them. It is a question he already knows answer to it. So his companion do say "only Allah and his Apostle knows". This type of expression is in every language, for example i may say ask my students 'what did i eat this morning? they may replied 'only Allah and you knows what you eat' so this type of expression does not in any way mean equation! Furthermore there are many Quran and hadith proofs that shows our Prophet Muhammad has limited knowledge like other humans, except what Allah reveal to him. Lastly this type of hadith is very numerous in hundreds, it seems you are new to it keep doing learning on here!
Say, "I am not something more original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."
This is Allah teaching prophet Muhammad SAW to give this reply to to people: Which means, `I am not the first Messenger who ever came to the world. Rather, Messengers came before me. Therefore, I am not an unprecedented incident and i know nothing except what is revealed to me.
And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little."
The Ruh (spirit) Al-Bukhari recorded in his Tafsir of this Ayah that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "While I was walking with the Prophet on a farm, and he was resting on a palm-leaf stalk, some Jews passed by. Some of them said to the others, `Ask him about the Ruh.' Some of them said, `What urges you to ask him about that' Others said, `Do not ask him, lest he gives you a reply which you do not like.' But they said, `Ask him.' So they asked him about the Ruh. The Prophet kept quiet and did not give them an answer, and I knew that he was receiving revelation, so I stayed where I was. When the revelation was complete, the Prophet said: ﻭَﻳَﺴْـَﻠُﻮﻧَﻚَ ﻋَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡِ ﻗُﻞِ ﺍﻟﺮُّﻭﺡُ ﻣِﻦْ ﺃَﻣْﺮِ ﺭَﺑِّﻰ
(And they ask you concerning the Ruh (the spirit). Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord...'')
In many occasions like this when a question is asked from Prophet Muhammad if he didn't know it he used to wait till when a reveation will be sent concerning the Question! This shows his humanhood and humbleness.
If you read the hadith again you will see that Mohammed never corrected him when the rider of the camel answered Mohammed that 'Allah and his messenger know best". What he meant was that no one knows except Allah and his messenger. The man could have simply say "Allah knows best" but he placed Mohammed in a preeminence position, together with Allah, the same way muslims do today.
AntiChristian: The Hadith is not Saheeh! You and your brother dey doeef too!
How do you reach this conclusion that the hadith is not saheeh? You can't just brush aside an hadith because you don't like the content. And note, many imams/sheiks have quoted from this hadith of Maliki to support their claims. Besides, Muslims collected the hadith and not Christians or Jews.
And since you don't accept this hadith, tell me what makes you think it is not sahih?
advocatejare: You're really doing a good job teaching Antichristian and he likes their religion.
There are many ways they've equated Muhammad to Allah even though they try to deny it.
For example, they claim that speaking against Muhammad is blasphemy, but one can only blaspheme against God and not a mere human like Muhammad, so they've indirectly said that Muhammad is their god because they don't call for the head of anyone that insults Allah like they do to anyone that they accuse of blasphemy against Muhammad like the Kano tijjaniya guy.
Also, in the hadith when the Muslims equated Allah's knowledge with muhammad's, Muhammad didnt rebuke them which means that he accepted that he and Allah know best and not that Allah alone knows best.
Narrated Mu`adh bin Jabal: While I was riding behind the Prophet (ﷺ) and between me and him and between me and him there was only the back of the saddle, he said, "0 Mu`adh!" I replied, "Labbaik, 0 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and Sa`daik!" he said, "Do you know what is Allah's right upon his slave?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best" He said "Allah's right upon his slaves is that they should worship Him alone and not worship anything else besides Him." Then he proceeded for a while and then said, "O Mu`adh bin Jabal!" I replied, "Labbaik, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ):, Sa`daik!' He said, "Do you know what is the right of the slaves upon Allah if they do that?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "The right of the slaves upon Allah is that He will not punish them (if they do that). - Sahih al-Bukhari 5967
al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, Baihaqi in Dalayl an-Nubuwah, Tabarani in his Kabeer, Abu Na’eem in his Hilya and ibn Asakir in Tarikh Damishq report from Sayyiduna Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab Farooq al-A’dham (radiyallahu ta`ala anhu) that:
The Prophet of Allah (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) said: “Allah said: When Adam made the mistake, he asked: O Allah! I ask you for the sake of Muhammad to forgive me. Allah said: O Adam! How do you recognize Muhammad when I have not yet created him? Adam said: O Allah! When you created me and blew into me the spirit, I lifted my head and saw written on the `Arsh ‘La ilaaha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah’. So, I got to know that you would only join your name with him who is most beloved to you. Allah said: O Adam! You have spoken the truth. Indeed Muhammad is more beloved to me than anything and when you asked me for his sake, I pardoned you. If Muhammad was not in existence, I would not have created you” (Also from Imam Subki in Shifa as-Siqam and Shihab in Naseem)
While I was riding behind the Prophet (ﷺ) and between me and him and between me and him there was only the back of the saddle, he said, "0 Mu`adh!" I replied, "Labbaik, 0 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and Sa`daik!" he said, "Do you know what is Allah's right upon his slave?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best" He said "Allah's right upon his slaves is that they should worship Him alone and not worship anything else besides Him." Then he proceeded for a while and then said, "O Mu`adh bin Jabal!" I replied, "Labbaik, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ):, Sa`daik!' He said, "Do you know what is the right of the slaves upon Allah if they do that?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "The right of the slaves upon Allah is that He will not punish them (if they do that). - Sahih al-Bukhari 5967
This is so funny for a religion that claims absolute monotheism when mohammed also knows best, the same way allah do. If allah and his messenger know best (instead of allah only), this is associating partner with allah.
AntiChristian: There are no words to translate some words in Arabic to Yoruba. Salah is Salah, Sawm is Sawm, etc. Adura is Ad'du'a in Arabic. It can mean Salah or supplication/Invocation!
This is not what I am saying. If you read my last post I said it will be fraudulent for a Yoruba man to translate the word 'Adura' (Prayer) as 'Blessing' for an english speaker. This is what muslims did in their translation of the word 'yussaluna' in quran 33:56 as 'sending blessing'. It is a fraudulent translation.
AntiChristian: There is nothing wrong with our Shahadah! Muhammad is widely known as a slave of Allah. Anyone who worships Muhammad or associates partners with Allah is no more a Muslim. Yes, Allah is our Lord and Muhammad is His messenger sent to us.
Umar ibn al-Khattab reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not exaggerate my praises as the Christians have done with the son of Mary. Verily, I am only a servant, so refer to me as the servant of Allah and his messenger.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3261
You dont need to accept that you worship mohammed but your actions and practices prove otherwise. Why dont your shahada read as 'there is no god but allah' full stop. Putting mohammed into the shahada equation is a way of showing dual loyalty to allah and mohammed. Can I say 'there is no god but Yahweh and Jesus in his messenger' as a christian? Remember, you accused Christians of associating partner with God.
AntiChristian: So how do we translate "the earth belongs to Allah and His apostle" in this context? And what transpired between them before and after this narration? This is foolish. Everything belongs to Allah as He is the creator. You should find out what transpired in the Hadith and tell us here first.
You asked me to provide the full quote of the hadith which I did. I expected you to counter my claim instead of asking me to explain your text to you. The text said ....the earth belong to allah and his messenger. You need to tell us how the earth belongs to both of them and not try to run form my request.
AntiChristian: And even many non-Muslim translations translates as follows: Verily God and his angels bless the prophet: O true believers, do ye also bless him, and salute him with a respectful salutation. Quran (33:56) George Sale translation. (Translated in 1734)
Verily, God and His Angels bless the Prophet! Bless ye Him, O Believers, and salute Him with salutations of Peace. Quran (33:56) John Medows Rodwell translation (Translated in 1861)
God and His angels bless the Prophet. O believers, do you also bless him, and pray him peace. Quran (33:56) Arthur John berry translation.
There is no way I can verify all the translation you provided. And again, ascribing a non-islamic name to a quranic translation doesn't mean muslims are not part of the project. Almost all quranic translation is a project but the quran can be attached to the name of the individual who leads the project.
AntiChristian: Abeg what's the concept of Tawheed you are talking about? What type of Tawheed is breached by sending blessings to the Prophet?
You are still misrepresenting my position concerning quran 33: 56. What I told you earlier is that the word 'yusalluna' doesn't mean 'sending blessing' but 'Prayer'. It is very very intellectually dishonest to mistranslate a word in order to make your belief align with establised theology. If a Yoruba man translate the word 'Adura' (prayer) as 'Blessing' that will be a fraudulent one because that is not what it means. In Quran 33:56 the word 'yusalluna' was fraudulently mistranslated as 'sending blessing'. The concept of Tawheed is breached here because God is not expected to pray for mohammed which he did in the ayah I just give you.
AntiChristian: Assuming we were the people Moses was sent to, that might have been okay for us. Muhammad is the one sent to us just like Moses was sent to his people and the establishment of Pharaoh.
This analogy is wrong. The shahada could have just read 'There is no god but allah' but adding 'mohammed is his messenger' into the shahada equation makes him a partner with allah. That means my allegiance to Islam must be on a condition that I pay oral allegiance to both allah and mohammed. And remember, the quran is also filled with the word 'allah and his messenger'. This is not one oneness of God sounds but an amalgamation of a smaller god (mohammed) and a bigger god (allah). And please we are not in the time of moses, jesus, mohammed, etc. You are making a very wrong equivalance.
AntiChristian: You should have quoted the entire narration for us to get the context, why quote out of context now. "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" does not put Allah in the same position as His slave Muhammad.
I didnt quote out of context the reason I started the quote with dot dot dot (...). For the benefit of doubt let me quote the entire hadith and maybe you can explain it to us.
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah ﷺ came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah ﷺ stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added:
You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind)...(Sahih muslim 19: 4346).
If the earth belongs to allah and mohammed, can we say that mohammed and allah are co-owners of the earth (according to the hadith)? If that's the case, doesnt this violate the concept of Tawheed? If I say the earth belong to Yahweh and Jesus is this blaphemy?
AntiChristian: Which Qur'an translation translates it like this?
Check my earlier response. Most translators are fraudulent in their rendition of yusalluna.
AntiChristian: Just silly misconceptions and lies as usual. Derailing threads is unlawful here but your own Christian is not bound by laws right?
AntiChristian: The word that is said the most during Salah is " Allahu Akbar (Allah is the Greatest)". The only place where Muhammad's name is mentioned is during the Tashahud except if one recites a verse that contains the name.
The frequency of which you mention mohammed's name in your prayers is not the issue but for the fact that in all your solat you have to mention the name of mohammed in one way or the other. This is against the concept of Tawhed which muslims falsely claim to strictly adhere to. Muslims are associating partner with allah when mohammed's name needs to be included in your 5 solat and shahada.
AntiChristian: In the Tashahud we usually recite: Al-Tahiyyaatu Lillaahi wa’l-salawaatu wa’l-tayyibaat. Al-salaamu ‘alayka ayyuha’l-Nabiyyu wa rahmat-Allaahi wa barakaatuhu. Al-salaamu ‘alaynaa wa ‘ala ‘ibaad-illaah il-saaliheen. Ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluh (All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allaah. Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allaah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and upon the righteous slaves of Allaah. I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger). (al-Bukhaari, 831; Muslim, 402).
Then after that we send blessings upon the Prophet (Salallahu alayhi wasalam) and say:
“Allaahumma salli ‘ala Muhammad wa ‘ala aali Muhammad kama salayta ‘ala Ibraaheem wa ‘ala aali Ibraaheem, innaka hameedun majeed. Allaahumma baarika ‘ala Muhammad wa ‘ala aali Muhammad kama baarakta ‘ala Ibraaheem wa ‘ala aali Ibraaheem, innaka hameedun majeed (O Allaah, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent prayers upon Ibraaheem and the family of Ibraaheem, You are indeed Worthy of Praise, Full of Glory. O Allaah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as You blessed Ibraaheem and the family of Ibraaheem, You are indeed Worthy of Praise, Full of Glory). (al-Bukhaari, 3370; Muslim, 406).
It never changed the fact that mohammed is held in a supreme position in islam. Why dont your shahada read: There is no god but allah and moses is his messenger.. This is because islam is all about allah and mohammed.
The shirk is when mohammed placed himself in the same position with allah. Mohammed said and I quote: ...the earth belomgs to allah and his messenger (sahih muslim 4363). If a Christian says 'the earth belongs to the father and his son' will you call it shirk or tawhed?
AntiChristian: Only Ignorants interpretes the Qur'an this way leaving out the core values being taught in the Qur'an.
Not at all. Quran 33:43 & 33:56 state that Allah did “Yusalli/Yusalluna” which means “Prays/Pray”. Muslims cannot/shouldn't mistranslate their quran to hide/satisfy their bias. The question is 'why did allah pray for mohammed and to whom'? And please dont try to tell me that the word 'Yusalluna' has many meaning. That's a lie!
AntiChristian: And how is all this even related to the thread?
It might not be related to this thread but many people have learnt one or two new things from this discussion.
AntiChristian: Do we pray in Muhammad's name? We don't pray in his name. We pray only to Allah. And by mentioning the name of the Prophet, we only ask Allah to increase him in blessing!
And this is in line with what Allah says:
Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad SAW), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. AsSalamu 'Alaikum). Qur'an 33:56
Why do you mention Mohammed's name in every of your prayers? Don't you know this is shirk? Allah sent 'prayers' (Yusalluna, in arabic) for mohammed. Why does allah pray (Yusalluna, quran 33:56) for mohammed? Should God pray?
quran 33:56 “innAllaha wa malayikatahu yusalluna 'alan Nabiyi yaa ayyuhal ladhina aamanu sallu 'alayhi wa sallimu taslima. ”
And please dont tell me that the word 'Yusalluna' means grace, honours, blessings, mercy. Yusalluna means prayer.
AntiChristian: Even to pray in Jesus name is Kufr! We pray to Allah and worship Him alone.
But to do solat mentioning the name of mohammed is sunnah. Show me a quranic verse that ask you to always mention the name of mohammed while doing solat.
advocatejare: A smart dude that used the brains of his followers, promised them paradise of unending sexual intercourse and alcohol and turned them into a fighting zombie while he claimed that the spoils of war is for him and Allah and since he claimed to be the only one that Allah spoke to through jibreel, he automatically kept Allah's portions of the spoils of war for himself
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