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BARRISTERS: @t-med
We are not speaking latin here, you Mentioned 607 BCE as wrong, below;


Now before you claimed that ones calculation is wrong,courtesy demands that you provide ' a counter claim', that is 'your own calculation independent of the jws' and i clearly state that earlier and you saw it,see it again below;

you have not provided 'your own caculation' and unless you do that their own caculation stands.
all your quotes below did not show any caculation indicting 607 BCE,not even (one)mention of 607BCE,is that how you jump from one thing unsettled to another?,See it yourself now below;



Again, when i say that you should provide 'evidence' what i mean is ( copies or pages of the alledged jehovahs witnesses magazines,either scanned,as a certified true copy} and not the amalgamation of sentences 'in quote' as you can see all your assertions are in 'quotes' and was removed from a body of paragraphs, what you will need to do is supply the full pages of the quoted magazines.

you know that im not yet a full jw, im will not have the time to seach for it, but for substancial evidence to be launched, i need full or scanned copies. before i can comment. im waiting pls

My broda JW has a well organised archive and library and a resourceful compedium where u can access this information. Many pple have quotated the yr and date most of these articles were published and u want a scan copy of the article? Even if a whole booklet is scanned as a proof, u will still not acept. U might say the letters are faint or the scanner quality is low. If i were u i will copy down the dates the magazines or books were alleged to be published and find out it they r thru of false. No one needs to be spool-fed again cos we r all adults. Its so simple if u r really sincere in ur argument, get the dates the articles were published, the title, the pages quoted, and do ur confirmatn if they are true or false. We r not in a law court where the complainant will be asked to provide exhibit, its just funny to bring up logic here after enough info hav been provided as a basis for ur research.

BARRISTERS: @t-med
We are not speaking latin here, you Mentioned 607 BCE as wrong, below;


Now before you claimed that ones calculation is wrong,courtesy demands that you provide ' a counter claim', that is 'your own calculation independent of the jws' and i clearly state that earlier and you saw it,see it again below;

you have not provided 'your own caculation' and unless you do that their own caculation stands.
all your quotes below did not show any caculation indicting 607 BCE,not even (one)mention of 607BCE,is that how you jump from one thing unsettled to another?,See it yourself now below;



Again, when i say that you should provide 'evidence' what i mean is ( copies or pages of the alledged jehovahs witnesses magazines,either scanned,as a certified true copy} and not the amalgamation of sentences 'in quote' as you can see all your assertions are in 'quotes' and was removed from a body of paragraphs, what you will need to do is supply the full pages of the quoted magazines.

you know that im not yet a full jw, im will not have the time to seach for it, but for substancial evidence to be launched, i need full or scanned copies. before i can comment. im waiting pls

My broda JW has a well organised archive and library and a resourceful compedium where u can access this information. Many pple have quotated the yr and date most of these articles were published and u want a scan copy of the article? Even if a whole booklet is scanned as a proof, u will still not acept. U might say the letters are faint or the scanner quality is low. If i were u i will copy down the dates the magazines or books were alleged to be published and find out it they r thru of false. No one needs to be spool-fed again cos we r all adults. Its so simple if u r really sincere in ur argument, get the dates the articles were published, the title, the pages quoted, and do ur confirmatn if they are true or false. We r not in a law court where the complainant will be asked to provide exhibit, its just funny to bring up logic here after enough info hav been provided as a basis for ur research.

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BARRISTERS: @true2God,

i expect you to insult,ehn, but one thing that you should know is that jws will never succumb to cheap blackmail,

when you say they nullify dates,or bogus dates, and also saying they should own up concorted claims,its just laughable, many suffers from the 'endtime phobia' just hearing that alone can make many to run from pillar to post, but anyway just to remind you, you dont need to agree with the jws, ok? live your independent life to the full pls. God bless you,thanks.

With due apology i never meant to insult. I believe we r reasoning together but somehw on a slightly different dimension. Note dat im not blackmailin any1 or organizatn and i dnt tink any of my post is causing an injury to any1. Blackmail, to my understandin, is to fabricate lies against someone. Ok tell me, where in all my post, hav i blackmaild someone or an organization. Some of wat i, and some other contributors, are quotin were actually old and immediate JW publications. Some respondents actually quoted watchtower magazines printed by WTBTS and u call dat blackmail. Evrytin in there is written in black and white. If u say human being make mistakes, yes its true and globally acceptable. If u say the apostles of old really anticipated the comin of the messiah u r correct. But non fix dates, eg 1914, as time of 'his presence' cos it all amount to bringin the gospel of christ into ridicule. Mathew 24 gave us an ample sign or event that must occur before the comin of the messiah. The scripture described likely events, natural disasters on a global scale, nations going on war, as a sign to herald his comin. Jesus further said the 'time of my comin knw man knws'. I dnt tink u r familiar with Berth serim of 1925. Where JW predited the comin to earth of great men of faith which was later proved false (u can prove me wrong). Last yr an american evangelical pastor predited the end of the world and he failed, he shifted the date backward and it failed again. Hw do u see the man? A false prophet or not? Or just a human error? If tomorow someone quoted that man as a false prophet can he accuse any1 for cheap blackmail? Na waooo.

truthislight: You dont even know what the bible says that is why you want to change God's plans. A calculation that start and ends in 1914 from the bible you want it change?

Ok keep soundin vry ridiculous. Who did the calcualation? Who sanctioned the calculation? Who has the right to give another bogus date? Who has the right to nullify the date? The ansa is the JW GB. U r defending wat u hav no right to sanction, contribute to, or do ur own research, except the one tailored for u to acept. Are u telling me that the prediction of 1925 (berth-sarim) can be nullified by the GB as false while the 1914 shuld remain? Or the 1984 and 1994 which had been declarred null and void. If all other dates they forcasted had been declared null and void, wat gives u the impression dat 1914 date is not false? My broda dnt tink like a programmed robort, use ur God-given wisdom.

kokolet007: I believe God himself wil make d truth knwn to U! As I said d other time a just taking my time to study the bible wif them and I attend der xtians meeting there is nothing like an embargo on sumtin,even if an elder summon sumone for an interrogation it is being done with respect nd reasoning frm the scripture.....let me correct ur perception abt d GB! Der is no way dey wil be a sheep without shepherd, the GB are and d elders are the shepherd helpin the congregation of God to move in one accord! Since they share the same bible truth and opinion,sumone has to be a Shepard inorder tO help others not to b confuse and A̶̲̥̅♏ sure u knw ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ is being done everywhere in d Christiandom,ADEBOYE preach nd all listen without question nd also d oda MOG,d only different is d issue of magazine which u knw odas publish their own books too eg chris oyakliome,oyedepo and many more which is being use by der member daily! Dos MOG preach in their platom and nobody question dem ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ d GB give room for interrOgation and reasoning togeda frm the scripture and I dnt tink there is a way they prophecies on anytin d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t the source wasn't frm the bible!

Tanks for ur response. If im correct the term christendom u assume here are all other xtain denominations aside frm JW cos JW is not part of the chritendom and i stand to be corrected here. Ok, u made mention of shepherds in the 'christendom'. They are leaders and can take responsibilities and criticism anytime they go wrong on xtain principles or teachings. At least those pple u mentioned do not exist in secrecy: they are public figures. Even non xtains knw dem. But the pple that are consist of the JW GB are anonymous, i stand to be corrected if im wrong by u mentioning their names. At least biblical prophets, teachers, apostles, even rabbis have their names mentioned in the bible and are well knwn bible characters. Even today's men of God are public figures. They are knwn, there lifestyles are predictable, they are criticised, even in the media, anytime they deviate. This gives room for checks and balances for pple in leadership. But thats not the case for JW GB. U cant question their doctrinal authority or else u will be shunned or disfellowship. Watever they say must be acepted hook, line and sinker without verification. Afterall they are the 'earthly mediators' between JW members and Jehohah. Besides, thats y u cant hold anyone responsible for the new and the old light stuff cos the authors are mask in secresy. Anyway the issue here is that if other yrs that were predited had been nullifies as 'errors', why is 1914 still revered? That my simple question.

kokolet007: I found these topic very much interesting,to get the ball rolling @true2god I tink u are wrong,I dnt meant I dnt meant to b partial I wasn't a witness but am studying the bible with them and I must tell u DER is notin ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ d TRUTH! I learnt frm ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ conversation u are a deeper life member can u please xplain to us while u start using electronics media cos ur MOG says its demonic sum years back and majority of you aint using it now d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t your programme is now on statalite dish nd all d member now are now goin back to der vomit! wat have u got to say to d̶̲̥̅̊ά̲̣̣̣̥t nd u see JW never claim to b an expert or a MOG ß̍̍̊ůh̶̲̥̅̊ a discreet servant of jehovah God! Dey observe his commandment nd also follow his son footstep nd examples....in d book of ACT21 vs 23,ƌı̣̣̣z̶̲̥̅̊ bible verse showed we're paul made some tins out of his doctrine he solemnly admitted nd these didn't stop him for stopping his mission nd JEHOVAH so much bless his work! JW never dOes anytin out of der will but They are in accord with Gods word and love,if things seems wrong now jehovah know there mind set that they are not after the glory of themselves but to him and his son JESUS

Gd morning kokolete007, i am not a deeperlife member and not compuksry to be to understand the honest bible truth. As a matter of fact i studied, before, with one or two JW friends before deciding to halt it. Before JW, the church in general knew that we are in the 'last days' and had always being anticipating the comin of the lord (act 2). But non did ever fix a particular date or use any unreliable chronology to to do mathematics of 'his presence' (a term used only after series of failed predictions). We understand ourselves here better cos we r xtains, if u fix a date of christ's presence to a non-xtain that neva come to pass for once u only bring xtainity into disrepute and serios questioning. The other issues u guys brought up: trinity\hell\heaven\immortality of the soul etc do not fall within the confine of this discussion so no need to derail frm the issue at hand. U can as well start a thread on those topics for us to discuss with biblical refereces. Anyway for once im not a beliver in purgatory. And remember dat over 90% of ur new light had at one time or the other, being propagated by 'seventh day adventist' so its never new and they have discarded a whole lot of dem. I am happy u guys hav, at least for once, admitted that its not ok to fix any 'prophetic date' but y is the 1914 'trade mark' not jettisoned just as the other dates had been dropped. Is it not the same 'research' dat gav room for 1914 dat gave room for other dates that had been assumed 'mistakes'? I knw u might be waiting for official confirmation frm the GB on dis date before u take ur decision since they r the ones that tell u wat to believe as bible truth and wat not to accept. Im 100% sure dat if the next edition of watchtower nullifies 1914 u will follow suit. Dis does not give room for independent thinkin since all JW align their beliefs only on wat the GB say through the watchtower magazine. Dnt accuse me of puttin so much emphasy on JW failed prediction cos thats wat the thread is all about.

ijawkid: I can see....all u want us if for the witnesses to crawl down to the media and apologize.....isn't it??

Can u please pick out one belief that u tink might be adjusted in times to come??

Like I said bible prophecies which are soon to be fulfilled gets clearer each passing day...

What u fail to know is that as events unfold d witnesses go back to do more home work...

Its not like we swindle people or make money out of these.....neither do we kill people in the course of our perusing into bible chronology....

Our drive is the same drive d apostles had who really wanted to know about the times and seasons.......

No witness today would knock @ ur door and start talkin about 19 this and that.....

Those are by-gones......we are wiser and more knowledgeble than we were.....

We forge ahead with our perceptions being limited to bible writings....

Jehovahs witnesses are always keen to see how bible facts agree with modern day history and also past.....

That is what bible students do.....

If not we did not commit any crime.....did we??

U ofcus know how much we've delved into biblical prophecies concerning d book of daniel and revelation....its all our insatiable drive for truths found in d scriptures......

We don't dream nor see visions like I'v always made it known on this post.....

We just peer into what d bible has in store for mankind.....remember even angels are interested too....

U guys are taking this whole date issue like its a do or die affair....

There are many reasons why I associate with the witnesses and 1914 is not even one of them.....there are far more important truths the witnesses uphold and practice that has dragged many to them.........

there's one thing every witness knows and understands::::

And that is:::::::::::WE ARE DEEP INTO THE LASTDAYS and that we are @ d verge of this system of thingsz.....and this we preach day and night......

We know for certain that Gods son Jesus has been enthroned as king and soon he'll do away with d political system and wickedness in general..........this are facts we are ever sure of.........

U can testify to that......

You must be a good attorney in the making. But i must tell u dat 1914, just like dec 25 or xmas day, has no biblical backin at all. U said fixing date does no harm to pple but dats not true. Do u knw the number of career dat were destroyed wen u guys predicted 1975 as the end or the date for armagdon? Do u knw the psychological impact it had on the pple dat put their hope on the dates that were erroneosly predicted? Do u actually knw that so many JW abandoned their career with the hope of a better life in paradise earth after 1975? I think u hav a limited knowledge of the impact these failed prophecies had on pple. One of your articles actually encouraged pple not to take their professions serios but to engage in active publishin work 'for the end is near'. Dats the few negetive impacts ur failed predictions had on pple.

truthislight: i thought you have a bible, why not do the research for your self.

Are you saying that all the prosperity promise by all you mog have all come through?

The information you guys present are twisted and have distorted the what was said.

All the JW says is from the bible.

You guys carry the bible but dont even know what it contains.

How then will you help others?

Are you saying that the WITNESES are God himself?

You expect perfection from a human like you.

Except Jesus which of God prophet did not even made mistake?

Deceitful argument,

by their fruit you will know them. QED

My argument here is this, if the JW GB had nullified all other dates as 'misunderstandin' why are they still stickin to their 1914 trade mark? If they are human beings that make mistakes by quotin and giving bogus date as an interpertation to the fulfilment of bible prophecy, nullified other dates as 'mistakes' and upheld 1914 as truth, wats the rationale behind retaining 1914? Is it not the same 'research' that gave right to 1914 gave right to other nullified dates? Unless u dnt want to admit the inconsistencies in ur doctrines, JW r renouned for. Admitted, pple make mistakes but had there been anytime JW GB aplogiz for their mistakes? The ansa is No. If someone cannot aplogiz for mistakes dat shws dat hes bent on continue makin the same mistakes. If u want to be honest hw r u sure they wont change some of their present beliefs in 5 yr time. Anyway u r not in the position to ansa because wat u r meant to accept as true or false is handed down to u frm brooklyn, NY.

ijawkid: If witnesses in d past due to lil mis-understanding of bible chronology drew into conclusion when an end will come how does that make them false prophets??

Today we are convinced from the scriptures that no one knows d day and hour not even Jesus........

If u choose to dwell on the mistakes of witnesses and dragging them down till today ur definitly on ur own........

Witnesses adjust to bible understanding when its clear....we aint stiff necked ........

Or wuld u rather want us to hug and romance past understandings and wallow in them??

Like I told u,Jehovahs witnesses are not prophets....we are bible students.......

Don't u get it??

We are not prophets........

we observe and study d bible to see how they apply to our times......

Isn't that what a bible student does??

Ijawkid pls r u now sayin dat JW now have a better understandin of Bible chronology unlike before that they didnt hav a good understanding? Do u knw the millions of pple dat were misled owing to this gross misunderstanding? Wat apology did they offer for their errors? Wat is the tendency dat wat they believe today as truth wont be false tomorrow? The fact is that before u release any info to the public u must do a good scrutiny and ensure that wat u r tellin the publc is true. My bone of contention is that if other dates that the JW GB fixed had been assumed false, why are they still keepin to the 1914 dogma. If 1918; 1925; 1975; 1984 had all bein nullified as 'misunderstandin', wat about 1914?

one thing that baffles me among the JW is their obvious denial of fact frm their magazine that is even written in English. Virtually all the watchtower magazines quoted or referenced here are published by WTBTS unless u guys want to tell the whole world there is another fake watchtower publisher somewhere. Its very pathetic wen pple choose to live in denial even when an evidence is brought before dem. i once stumble into a 1984 published watchtower magazine title: 'living forever in paradise earth'. The magazine said very clearly that the generatn that see world war 1 will live to see armagedon. Instead of scrutinizing the magazines quoted to see if wat they are bein accused of is true or false, dey will rather turn a blind eye and keep defendin lies. Na wa for some pple. Truly lying is infectios, if JW GB can be lying im not suprised if there adherents do same.

The things i observed throughout jesus' earthly:
1: He didnt mention jevoha once. This undermines the significance of the name to the salvation of mankind. The bible says there is no salvation in any other name exxept the name of jesus. I stand to be corrected here if im wrong.
2. 'He called God his father, makin himself equal to the father', dats y the pharisees den were not happy about. He didnt call God jehovah.
3. @ the mention of the name of jesus evry knee must bow, not the name of jehova.
The tetragramaton 'YHWH' has no vowel and it will be fraudulent to willfully or mistakingly ascribe vowels inside it to sound Jehovah or yahweh. Thats y many bible translators didnt do dat. In conclusion since christ is the cornerstone of the new testament gospel, the name jesus witness would hav be more appropriate than jehovah witness, as an organizatn.

truthislight: i wish what they say is not from the bible then i will not even say a word.

I know that they are very humble people.

I have never heard or seen them pick a day and say this day the world will end.

Unless someone says it is wrong to teach/explain bible prophesy.

I knw u r a willing mind to learn. I am writing fm my fone so i may not be able to giv u enof references dat butress my points dat the JW GB seldom get it wrong but will always refuse to aplogiz. Nevertheless i had followed virtually all the post frm NIMSHI and im very much familiar wit his findings but he is quite more extensive dan me. U may not respond to the post or quote frm him but just diligently go thru his post and confirm if wat he wrote are true or false. do ur reconciliatn frm that den u can undertsnad better.

truthislight: read the thread then you will know who is a fraud.

Or does saying what the bible contain makes one a fraud?

I always stand and ready to defend the bible is that my crime?

The almighty God stand to judge between you and me who is a liar.

If u look up u will see my response to this. The JW GB is the fraud here for always lying 'light is getting brighter' to defend their inconsistencies instead of aplogizin to the whole world who they are feedning with their publications frm Brooklyns. My broda u r just tellin us here wat u learn frm the kingdom halls, u r not to blame as long as u r ready to learn and stop the policy of never to question watever u r taaught at the kingdom hall. God created man to be inquisitiv and curios so that he learn more things. I can tell u that if u do ur personal research u might even point out certain things ur elders do no knw to dem and not always the other way round.

Sweetnecta: @true2god: the other day the music group that mitt romney is using their song as his campaign song complained because they disagree with his ideology. the girl whose picture ~Royal~ has on the window should e disgusted with him/her if she knows what he/she is doing. Alhadulillah that it i not everyone that loves Muhammad [sa] in the way that not everyone loved Jesus [as] and Moses [as]. The verses of the Quran are alive appropriately.


"head and neck" covering is specific to muslim women and from america to europe and across the world muslim women put it on as obedience to Allah of what He commands on pages of the Quran. your argument on closing falls flat. I am a muslim who wears the beard and if i were to like the christian cross or the jewish capi [skull cap] or hindu red dye on the forehead, because I am not from anyone of them, i will not do any of them. It is one of my reasons that I do not wear what is common to the hindus or what is particular to the jews, etc.


hypocrisy is what "Royal" has displayed.
And as to my 6 years old being married to a 52 year man, if i were to be a father of daughter who is ready by that age, it will be a better thing that she is married than she is the girl that all the boys in our neighborhood will be experimenting and gaining experiences through. after all the christian holy spirit for the father came upon and over shadowed young virgin marry of 14 or so to have the god son.


how wrong a mere human being could be when he married his already matured wife who never objected to the marriage or complained about what husband and wife do in the marriage? Remember she had her father to complain to if she was a child innocent, she would not have known how her father will react except "daddy will support me". Who supported Mary and who can she complained to? again, the ignorance of people will not let them realize their foolish thoughts.


in the eastern coast of the usa, a mere 100 years ago, women could be married at 12. people set up age of marriage to prevent the continuation of early marriage and we all know that not everyone achieve at the same age. in nigeria, people mature differently. and little boys and little girls are sexually active,wrongly though. but thats the reality. Allah prepared Aisha [ra] for Muhammad [sa] as you a christian that Yahweh prepared little girl Mary for really old old man [ancient of days] holy ghost.

live with it. take it on the chin.

Ok i hear u. Can u tell me with all honesty how a syrian, iranian xtain dresses? Look, there dressin is not different frm hw a syrian or iranian muslim dresses. Dressin has more to do with culture than religion. Evry culture, race and pple of the world has a dressing associated with dem. If u see an indian dresses its quite disffrent frm hw a chinese dresses irrespectiv of their religion. American muslims where jacket and trousier while their counterpart in arab prefer their long kaftan because its more of their cultural attire. Yoruba muslim lady wears our native or tradtional dress and would cover her head while goin to mosque. Unless u want to force dressings on pple like the way talibans do in afghanistan, pls stop callin arabic way dressin islamic dressin as i would not suggest to u that puttin on shirt and trousier is a christian dressing but a european or english 'wear'. Well let me not deviate frm the topic, about mohammed being a womanizer or not.

tintingz: ARE YOU NUTS? CANT YOU READ WITH YOUR NUT-BRAIN
Some Islamic sources say Aisha was
aged 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 and 21 when
Muhammad Were Intimate with her
All authentic sources of Aisha’s own testimony
confirm she was aged nine at the time. These
alternate ages have been derived from
misquotations, indirect sources, fuzzy dating
techniques, and slander, in an attempt to cast
doubt upon facts which have been
unquestionably accepted by Muslims for almost
1,500 years.
Even today, the vast majority of the worlds
Muslims acknowledge and accept Aisha's young
age and many of these honest Muslims take
offense to these lies propagated by western
Muslim apologists who are embarrassed by
their own prophet's actions. In fact, Islamic
scholar and teacher of Fiqh at Sunnipath.com
and Livingislam.org, Shaykh Gibril Fouad
Haddad's work has been referenced in our
refutation to all these claims, which you can
read here.
FOR YOUR INFO MOHAMMED(SA) FIRST WIFE KHADIJA WAS OLDER THAN HIM SHE WAS THE ONLY WIFE OF THE PROPHET AFTER HER DEATH MOHAMMED THE BELOVED MARRIED AISHA AND NEVER INTIMATE HER UNTIL SHE REACH PUBERTY IF NOT WE WOULD HAVE SEEN HIS FOLLOWERS DOIN DSAME BUT SINCE THEY DIDNT SEE SUCH ACT BY THE PROPHET NO HADITH RECORD THAT HIS FOLLOWERS MARRIED SIX YRS GIRLS WHATEVER....AND MIND YOU OUR FOREFATHERS MARRIED LITTLE GIRLS ITS ALSO AN AFRICA CULTURE TO MARRY IN EARLY AGE. DUMB HEAD RESEARCH BEFORE DISPLAYING YOU MONKEY BELIEVE HERE.

Thank you mr tintingz, let me make it more convevient for u. If u hav a 12 yr old daughter, will u allow a man on 52 (almost or culd be her grand fada) marry her? Stp being a hypocrite and face the fact, u wont cos deep down in ur heart u knw its bad unless u blindly want to defend ur 'profet'. Remember that the girl's fada objected to that idea but he had no choice, he had to save his head as well. Note that at dat time mohammed is feared and well respected and he's the only one that receives revelation frm allah. So he can get his way at will, no matter wat he wants. First allah will reveal it to him, second the pple must accept, whether they like it or not. U can see the dilemna the poor father found himself. No any man, under a peaceful atmospher will accept such a silly proposal. Wat i expected of u is to apologiz, on behalf of the prophet, this crime and stop defendin evil and injustice.

[quote author=E_monkey]That Royal just put the picture there. The person in that picture is not him.[/quote]E-monkey and sweetnecta u guys shuld leave 'royal' alone and face the fact. Different pple, difffrent culture have a way the dress. The dressin of an average european is differnt frm dat of an arab. A european that wears jacket and trousier might be a muslim while an arab that put on kaftan might be a xtain. The jews cover their head in synagogue, most xtain churches, e.g lord choosen, deeperlife, assemblies of God church, etc make it mandatory for their women to cover their head in the church. The muslim women also cover thier head. Evryone has a taste of fashion and wat he likes to put that he deems good for him. I dnt particular tink his dreesin shuld bother u but his contribution to this topic. Pls u guys should stop chasin shadows, derailing the thread. I put my question to E-monkey and sweetnecta, if u hav a six yr old daughter and a FIFTY-TWO yr old man comes to ur house tellin u he wants to marry her wont u calll 911? I say and i repeat: DO NOT LET RELIGION ALTER YOUR RATIONALITY.

I think the real fraud here is the JW's GB, the wisemen, who is busy shunning out falsehood from Brooklyn NY for the whole world to believe. Truthislight is just a victim of these very wisemen cos he doesnt knw their true colour but thank God for internet, pple will be more informed about their activities. When a body are fond of changin their belief now and den, and when challenged they called it a new light, or the light just gotten brighter, dats not only fraud, but deceptive. Wats the tendency that the present JW belief system wont be changed in the next publication of watchtower or awake magazine? So the inconsistency has to be perrenial to justify that the light is still getin brighter. When will the light eventually provide a full current? I think the wisemen need to provide an ansa to the gullibles at the kingdom halls.

AdeCisco: A pastor ought live an exemplary life. A life envious of sinners. There's is problem if a pastor is behaving like someone who does not know the tenets of God. As a very small kid, I know Kris Okotie as the Michael Jackson of Nigeria. He should fashie Pastoring and be free with as many beautiful women. The spirit of the beautiful women are dying to have him. Until Pastor Kris brings back his 1st wife, shaves his hair and abandons his satanic vocabulary, I will keep laughing like OBJ and keep listening to his music from the 80's cos that's who he is. The real Koko master!! Ko ko ko ko aya rin ya. The third wife already knows herself cos I can sense that one is carrying a baby. Pls save my thouGhts

u no serios oooooo. Lol. Cant stop laffin

@ tintingz stop being funny with ur long post aimed at defending the indefendable. If u hav a daughter of six or nine yrs old and an old man of 52 comes to u dat he wants to marry her hw will u feel? Happy right? I strongly believe u wont and wuld most probably get the man arrested for violating ur privacy. Le us stop using religion as an excuse for irrationality. What mohammed did was bad, lets call a spade a spade unles the story is false. There is no any god that will reveal to man 52 yr old man to marry a tuddler unless dat god is crazy. Even the bush-men in the film: 'the gods must be crazy' will neva try dat. Many atimes we end up quotin bible and koran so much without our senses again. What mohammed did at dat time is not ok and should be condemned by all and assundry. Even a modern day womanizer will not do dat, at least he will go for a more mature girl or lady. This act is not only very lustful but a 'psychotic' behavior. No man with his right senses will do dat. Imagine hw the poor girl will feel anytime dis man wanted to meet her. And im very sure this man must hav used threat and intimidatn to force the girl's father to accept dis proposal or face the consequnce cos hes a strong warrior and can kill at will. My God, pple shuld always think na. Tufiakwa!!!

@ truthislight, this is an anonymous forum u knw hence almost evryone on dis forum dnt knw one and another. But i must ask u a question and i need u honestly ansa me. Between u and OLAADEGBU who is a fraud?

Limaoscar: I'll like to see the fine details before I start negociating for Cross Riverians.

I wonder what we 'll be doing in Biafra.....Running domestic errands, tapping their Palm trees, working their farms or just cleaning their toilets?

The Old South Eastern States with Igbo as Majority didn't "pay" so this won't be any different. All minorities in the South-South should be bunched-up together.The South-South Republic made-up of Akwa-Ibom, Bayelsa, Cross River, Delta, Rivers and Edo States will work for me.

@ limaoscar dats inferiority complex aspect embedded in ur culture. An average igbo man\woman will not do a domestic house help for anyone. If your pple like running errand as a convenient way of life uptill now, then u guys need a paradign shift and 'rebrand' ur ego and self esteem and stop being jelous of succeesful pple. Afterall no one is forcing ur pple to do most househelp jobs here in lagos. U guys are just bein lazy and never want to stress urself to make a meaningful achievment. Stop blamin the igbos if u r an under-achiever.

truthislight: do you still have to west your time on "fools"?

its like you dont think JW are fools?

Well, i wish to keep silent on you.
Peace.

My broda thats not the ansa to my question. My question is: is any of the watchtower magazine reference by NIMSHI false or quoted out of context? Dats a vry simple and honest questn. If u seem to have forgotten NIMSHI's earlier posts u can scroll back, read his posts and ansa my questn and stop callin pple fools because non is a fool here unless u r tryin to fool pple. Let me ask u a questn, if u hire an accountant u is in the habit of changin figures often, will u continue to trust him? Wont u sack him so that ur coy dnt cripple? If u can honestly ansa my questns without resorttin to callin 'fool' i will take u vry serios as a person.

truthislight: I dont think the JW said it is compulsory that you must be one of them.

They only belief that all humanity are entitle to know what the bible teach.

If that is not ok with you kindly feel free to ignore them.
Afterall silence they say should be the best answer for a fool.

So then, you know what to do if you feel so.
Peace

Truthislight should not present himself here as falsehood is light. I have been goin thru this thread and im happy dat almost all the respondends provided valuable reference materials, either watchtower magazines or the bible. However the most amazin of all is that despite the numeruos watchtower publications referenced in this arguments,exposin the dangers and falsehood in jw, you still hav the moral to continue in blind argument. Thats loyalty at its peak. Thats one trait i admire an average jw for. i need ask u one question: was any of the watchtower publication quoted falsely or out of context? Pls i need to learn cos the light is gettin dimmer and i need it get brighter.

Maximus85: NIMSHI, THIS IS HATRED. YOU MAKE THIS LARGE FINDING ON JWs, BUT I NOTICED YOU NEVER QUOTED THE BIBLE FOR ONCE. PLEASE WHICH CHURCH DO YOU ATTEND? BE BOLD TO TELL US...SO WE CAN ALL COMPAIR. HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY DIFFERECE BETWEEN MY POSTS AND YOURS? I AM ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE, GOD AND JESUS. I'VE NEVER USED A NEGATIVE WORD AGAINST ANY CHURCH. I BACK MY POSTS WITH THE BIBLE. JW'S ARE THE MOST HATED IN THE WORLD, YOU CLAIM THAT WE ARE SPREADING LIES AND THAT WE ARE DANGEROUS. BUT BRO! I'VE GOT NEWS FOR YOU, JESUS FACED THE SAME SITUATION, PEOPLE HATED HIM, THEY SAID HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A STRANGE GOD, THEY TAGGED HIM "DANGEROUS" THEY HATED HIM AND THEY EVEN KILLED HIM. JESUS SAID THAT HIS FOLLOWERS WILL FACE MORE HATRED AND OPPOSITIONS.
NIMSHI, HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY THE JW's ARE THE ONLY RELIGION GROUP HATED?

@ MAXIMUS85 stop whinning and learn for once. Is any of Nimshi's posting not factual with references frm jw magazines? This Nimshi guy had spent quality time to do his findings and he's here enlightenung pple on the danger of a sophisticated and high organized mind controlin institution, no matter hw seemingly honest the organization may appear. Do u need to read the bible alone to knw dat the earth is spherical? Pls stop discouragin pple frm learnin the truth. Thank u.

I wont be surprised if there is a serios riot in Germany when ,at any time, they decide to jettison this good gesture. I hope they will sustain it. This is also a diplomatic move by the Germans to make the muslims in Germany feel at home without prejudice. I hope muslim countries will learn frm this and be more tolerant towards the xtains and jews in their countries, of which they will neva do.

truthislight: liar!

That was satan's action, that is why saul have to leave Israel to edor to visit the witch.

This witches were ALL driven away from israel on God's command.

Are you saying that the instruction that God gave to saul when saul was a faithful king that God later turned and ask him to go to the witches when saul was unfaithful?

Will God ask saul to go to A Witch he had ask him to kill and chase away from israel at a period of his live when he has rejected soul and samuel refuse seeing saul till his death?

If samuel refused seeing saul in person when he was alive keeping with God's will, are you saying that the prophet samuel will then disobeyed his God at death to speak to soul?

All that drama is the same drama that satan uses in deceiving you and your type and others like you in ancestor worship and immortality of the soul.

That means our 14th grand parent knew what the bible teach in ancestor worship?

No thanks to u for interpretin the bible based on ur premonition and programmed doctrine. I hav my bible with me, read thru 1 samuel 28: 12-23. Let me read verse 16 for u frm good news bible: Samuel answerd, '' why have u disturbed me? Why do u make me come back?'. Take time to read the entire passage. Note that the passage was mentionin the names of samuel in the affirmative. No part of the passage called samuel an evil sprirt conjured by a witch to giv saul a message. The passage repeatedly qouted samuel as sayin that God had finally left saul and israel. This scenario might be difficult for u to grasp\believe but dats the fact. the bible said that saul perceived it was samuel. The bible did not say 'saul thought it was samuel'. Saul perceived it was samuel, dats wat the bibble says. I am not at this juncture an advocate of ancesoral worshiip because the bible caled it idolatery and must be shunned at all cost. Saul knew God had left him hence he was desperate and consulted a medium for spiritual assistance. He got wat he wanted frm the wrong source, but santioned by the almighty, to consolidate the earlier information given to him dat he had lost the kingdom. Whether u want to belief on the survival of human spirit after death or not is immaterial cos the spirit survives after physical death. Remember that Jesus quoted the Torah concerning the message God gave moses at the burning bush; ' i am the God of Abraham the God of Isaac nd the God of Jacob' and went on to say ' God is not the God of the dead but of the living' ( Matthew 22:32). Remeber that all these pple had died long before the time of moses, yet God said they are livin and that he is their God. Let the bible guide ur argument and stp foolishly callin ur fellow a liar without substantial proof. All wat im sayin are in the bible unless u choose to ignore wat is wriiten therein. God night, anyi ga ahukwa echi. Ke emesia

Jesus quoted the torah on the word of God to Moses in Matthew 22;32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jabob. He is not the God of the dead but of the living'. Remember that all these pple had died long before the time of Moses. And yet God affirmed in his word that he is their God and dat they are living. And let not forget when David was mourning the death of one of his sons, he said his son cannot come back to him and that he is the one that will stil go and meet him (2 samuel 12: 22 to 23). Wat about Jesus' own word to the pharisees: 'your father abraham saw my days and was happy'. Yet Abraham died hundreds of yrs before Jesus came to the physical earth. Hw did he see Jesus' days if not in the spirit realm since both of them did not share the same earthly period. On the mount of tranfiguration the spirits of Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus in the bible. All these facts are clear evidence of life after death and the continuation of life beyond the physical realm. All major religions and our african tradition attest to this fact but in a slightly different dimension. We need to understand that if life ends in this present world den the activities of money ritualist, hired killers, lootin politicians, serial murderers, armed robbers, occultist and the rest will be justifies as means of survival in this present world. Jesus asked: wat does it profit a man if he gained the whole world and lose his lose or wat shall a man give for the exchange of his soul. That means that human soul can be lost and human soul is more valuable than the entire universe. If human soul or spirit exist only in this physical world that means that christ was wrong in his statement. I always choose to use the word of christ on immortality because he is the only one in the bible that spoke volume about soul and immortality and he was before the beginning of the world system and order. In order word his word is more weighty on this topic.

Ishsoph: I really do not knw how to begin to help u cos ur deeply ingrained beleif has little or no root in the bible and as such ur fear is unfounded. That said, let me try to reason wit u. 1. In d begining God creatd man frm d dust of d ground nd d blew into his nostrils d breath of life nd he became a living soul(Gen. 2:7). Note that d man became a living soul nd not that a soul came to reside in him, hence the warning in Ezekiel 18:20 that a soul that sineth shall die as against d popular belief that d soul is immortal. 2. Eccl. 9:5&10 admonished that watever we can do nw that is worthwhile that we shuld do it while stil alive cos there is no form of life in the grave whr we are going. 3. When man dies he has paid 4 his sin(Rom.6:23). Its inconceivable that he shuld be raised back to life to suffer 4 d same sin. Hence the bible says he who has died has been acquited of hs sin(Rom.6:7). So there is nothing like hell fire as being propagatd today. Infacts that teaching dshonors God because it paints him as being cruel amongst other things. Again one might ask, y did d bible say that after death comes judgment? Jesus pointed out that d judgement of this world hav started(John.12:31) having com to show us the way. So whtever we are doing nw after having shown d way judges us. Its as if we ar nw in placed in judgement whl we watch as our conduct turns out we can deduce to in our mind wether we are fairing good in d judgement or not. Ther4, the judgement ends whenever we breath our last. Its just like someone that has a legal case that has been taking him to court over the yrs, he looks 4ward to having hs judgement whch is the end of court appearances. So is d judgement that follows the dead. Such judgement is witout injustice, infact its d fairest of judgement cos b4 dat time d individual shud hav knw hs stance wit God. If he is a sinner he knws, if he is a righteous person he nd his God knw. 5. Talking abt eternal life being boring, i understand ur fears. But y do u feel bad whn someone u love dies? The simple ans. is that God created in us d desire to live witout death frm d begining.(havin some trouble finding d quotation in Eccl.). We are beset wit such fear nd deep concern because we first tasted life of misery. Hav u been frustratd cos of not reaching some xpectations u set 4 urself due to ur limitation? Be assured u'll reach it nd even xceed it in God's kingdom when His wil shall be done on earth(Math. 6:9, 10). Yes mankind wil leave on earth nd not heaven wit some spirit bodies as theorised by theologians.(Psalms 37:29). Think of various acheivement of man nw even wit their imperfect mind, compare it wit much the aboundant acheivement that they'l be blessed wit in a perfect memory that wil not not be shortened by the brevity of our lives as it is 2day. My brother there many researches to engage in esp. d things that struct us wit mistry 2day whn we'll d grand privildge of unravling these by ourselves nd laugh at the folly of being kept in d dark by imperfection brought abt by sin. That same quotation am looking for also says that mankind cannot knw all that God has made from d start to d finish. U'll live forever trying to knw all these facinating things witout finish. Wht abt bad people causing us fear nd feelings of insecure? They wil be no more cos they'v paid 4 their sin wit death(Psalms:37:9, 10). In conclusion, just do ur utmost to maintain a healthy relationship God nw so that u'll enjoy all these wonderful things whn the memory of this present life wil gradually effaced and we get adjusted to the life then nd enjoy it to d fullest. If u want further clearifications, email me at mikeogele@yahoo.com.

This is a typical Jevoha's witness standard response to the issue of immotality pass down to all of them at ther kingdom halls. Its a regular respone and not new.the fact remains dat the spirit survivees death even after the body is buried (pls read concerning the death of abraham:Gen 15:15, 25:8 and Isaac: Gen 35:29 and Jacob: Gen 49:29,33 and Aaron: Num 20:24 and Moses: Num 27:13, Deut 32:50 and Josiah: 2kings 22:20. The key statement in all these verses is 'gathered unto his pple' or ancestors. And take time to read 1 samuel 28:13 to 14 on the permision God gave the for apperance of the spirit of samuel to saul to pass a message acros. Pls dis is not necromancy or divination but God permiting this occurence.. I lost someone close to me not quiet long and this person had appeared thru dreams to pass messages across. My broda the spirit surely survives after death and dats wat knw in our culture as the spirit of our ancestors.

I WANT TO KNOW IF ARANGEE IS AN ACCEPTABLE ENGLISH WORD. THE WHOLE EPISODE LOOK LIKE A DRAMA THAT WILL END SOON. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THIS IS PURE POLITICAL ASSINATION. MAY THE GUY'S SOUL REST IN PEACE.

1supremo: Get yourself a good English language textbook, study it and correct your expressions-

(1) Kids like you need to be .........
(a) ban (b) banned

(2) Look for someone at least older than you are to explain the .........
(a) say (b) saying

IF YOU CHOSE OPTIONs B TWICE, YOU MAY NOW ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AGAIN.

No hard feelings man. If you follow my advice, you'll find out that it's for your benefit. I LOVE MY COMPATRIOTS.

Nairaland is really breeding characters. Lol

I tank God for this thread. Airtel's offer of load 100 and get 200 is fake. Anytime i load like 100 naira dey will giv 200 naira aitel to airtel bonus. If u dnt use ur 100 naira immediately dey will erase all the 100 naira within 30 minute leavin u to use only the 200 naira airtel to airtel. If u call their customer care to complain nobody wil pick.this promo is fake and pure rip off.