₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
see, I will continue to waste my time obviously. I am the one giving you attention. Point I am trying to raise is, you can not back up solitary Hadith you quoted. It doesn't have historic backing

Two, three, four, and more hadith that confirmed the age of Aisha when mohammed married her and started sleeping with her cannot be called a 'solitary hadith'. A record that was documented by Iman Muslim and Imam Bukhari cannot be called 'solitary'. If you dont accept the event, narration or the hadith, that will be justified (I believed you know it is morally wrong to have sex with a minor) but discounted the hadith altogether is an intellectually dishonest exercise on your part. I would rather you call them 'weak or fabricated hadith' than waving them aside as a lie. You cant understand islam better than Imam Bukari; historically he is closer to the time of the event and geographically he is closer to the culture where the event took place.

Empiree:
Recall few years ago when I was trashing your Bible on rilwayne's thread?. I dug up background of almost all known and unknown bible writers to debunk you guys and your fake religion. None of you was able to refute it. You all left the thread. So if you must quote Hadith, be sure you have back up. This is not about sahih bukhari

You are diverting to another issue; I wont play into your diversion tactics.

Empiree:
There are many solitary aHadith that complement other aHadith to form harmonious whole which you lack in your so called research. You are not a researcher. If you are, you would have seen other historical facts against the Hadith. There are many of them. So the Hadith you quoted is not wahy but statement of someone. It is pretty much 3rd third party that has nothing to do with the prophet himself.

Your opinion is very inconsequential here. Over 95% of sunni muslim scholars dont have any issue with the hadith. Your attempt to lie make you look very weak and unable to accept your islamic tradition as contained in your authentic hadith.

Empiree:
And no one said sahih bukhari is 100% valid. So next time be sure you search all aHadith that talk about a topic before you make fool of yourself in public. I know you already made up your mind. So nothing I can say that will change you. I am only posting for future readers, that Anobi Muhammad sallahlah alai wasalam did not marry a 6 yrs old girl.

Sahih Bukhari may not be 100% considered accurate however the hadith concerning the age of Aisha met the required standard for validating a hadith, that is if there are multiple chains of narration on a particular ruling, deed and action of your prophet. You seem to want to create your new islamic standard, that is DENIAL!

Empiree:
Finally, let it enter my record and your record that you failed woefully to answer a very simple question.

Empiree:
Here is my question for you TRUE2GOD again in bold:


Please provide evidence that people in those days, whether believers or non-believers including Muhammad's archenemies condemned his marriage to Aisha (ra) based on Aisha's age, or whatever it was?

I have anwered this question in my last post but you seem not interested in my response. See my response below:

Empiree:
Did anyone accuse prophet muhammad (SAW) of pedophilism those days?

Mohammed considered himself the best of mankind and a perfect conduct for emulation. His claim should have been backup with a good action and he should have know better than his contemporaries.

Empiree:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2002-12-04-0212040054-story,amp.html

In case the link doesn't work, copy and paste this sentence in your Google search to direct you to the page

"The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Aisha was between 16 and 19 years old when she married Muhammad."

this is just theory without reference and your theory itself is not tenable. Question above stands

I dont patronize anonymous writers who have no leverage or scholarship in Islamic theology, law and jurisprudence. Your trinity of the quran, the hadith and seerah is enough for me to establish my argument. Why are you running from pillar to post to nullify what your hadith said repeatedly?

motayoayinde:
The Prophet (saw) married his first wife Khadija bint Khuwaylid at 25 while she was 40.
It was a blissful Marriage blessed with six kids.
At 40, when he was called to Prophethood, Khadija was 55.
When Khadija died at 65, the Prophet was 50.
They'd been married for 25 years.

The death of Khadija was particularly difficult for the Prophet. He'd lost not just a wife but also a comforter and a staunch supporter. Worse still, it happened in the year that the Makkah society ostracized the Muslims when torture and killing didn't stop the message.

MARRIAGES AFTER KHADIJA'S DEATH
2. In that year, he married an elderly widow, Sawdah bint Zam'ah.

3. Later in that year, his closest friend Abu bakr proposed that he married his daughter, Aisha.
He married her at six and consummated the marriage when she was nine.
This marriage has raised so much dust in recent times. We'll look at it further.

4. Hafsah bint Umar, the daughter of another close companion, Umar bn Khattab was married at the instance of Umar. She was married as a widow.

5. Zaynab bint Khuzaymah was his fifth wife, married as a widow.

6. Umm Salamah bint Abu Umayya was his sixth wife, married as a widow.

7. Juwairiyyah bint Harith, was his 7th wife.

8.Zaynab bint Jahsh was married after her divorce with Zayd bn Harith

9. Umm Habeebah bint Abu Sufyan was also a widow when the Prophet married her.

10. Maymoonah bint Al Harith, also married as a widow.

11. Safiyyah bint Uyayy was a Jew, captured in the battle of Khaybar, set free and agreed to marry the Prophet.

12. Maariyatu bint Sham'un Al Qibtiyya was sent to the Prophet as a gift by the Christian king of Alexandria, Maqawqis. She was married to the Prophet and bore him a son, Ibrahim. She was the only other woman who had a child for the Prophet apart from Khadija.

13. Rayhaanah bint Amr was the only woman whose marital status is debated among scholars. While some say she was married to the Prophet, others say she was a concubine.

TAKING ON THE ISSUES.
Let's examine some the issues thrown up all the time by Non Muslims and address the misunderstandings (and at times, mischief)

HIS "HAREM" OF WOMEN
It's clear from the foregoing that the Prophet had 13 wives and this is what is authentic according to the Prophet's history and renowned Islamic scholars. His wives were not 23 or 32 or any other number conjured up in the minds of islamophobes who pretend to know more Muslim history than the Muslims.
If the Prophet had more wives, the Muslims will be first to state it.

Polygamy as well as other marital practices like Marriage to minors and concubinage had been entrenched in the Middle East long before the Prophet was born.

Let's look at a few key figures among the Semites whose marital records are still available.

Prophet Ibrahim/Abraham, patriarch of the Semitic tribes, was married to three women: Sarah, Hagar and Keturah. He also had several concubines. Gen 11:29, 16:3, 25:1 1st chronicles 1:32

Prophet Jacob: 2 wives, Leah, Rachel and 2 concubines, Bilhah and Zilpah.

Prophet David through whom Jesus came, had wives and concubines. When, according the to bible, he killed Uriel, took his wife and impregnated her, God rebuked him and said if he had asked for more women, he'd have been given.

Prophet Solomon; 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Prophet Muhammad, 13 wives.

The comparison with the Prophet (saw)
is necessary so that Christians and Jews who praise these Jewish Prophets to high heavens, answer the name "Solomon", christen their sons "David" but lampoon Muhammad (saw), can be face to face with their double standards.

HIS MARRIAGE TO AISHA
The Prophet's Marriage to Aisha has been mentioned earlier. However, the uproar over her age at the time of the marriage deserves clarification.

This uproar is fairly recent. Before the dominance of modern western culture, Marriage to minors was common in many cultures around the world and in the Middle East in particular.

In the Jewish culture, little girls as little as 3 years old could be married off by the father according to the Halakha, a set of Jewish laws. The legal age of marriage for girls in Jewish law generally however, is 12 years and 1 day.

The ancient Arab society was also not different. It was in this culture that the Prophet was born. If the Prophet's marriage to Aisha was as revulsive in the Prophet's time as it seems to many today, he would have been maligned to death over it by his sworn enemies among the Jews and idolators of Madinah.
But no such account is found in history.
It was simply the practice.

HIS MARRIAGE TO ZAYNAB BINT JAHSH
Zayd bn Haritha was Khadija's slave, set free by the Prophet. HE WAS NOT HIS BIOLOGICAL SON.

Zaynab was his cousin.

He wedded them together so as to remove the stigma over Zayd as an ex slave and to show that an ex slave could be married to a free born.

The stigma didn't go away. Zaynab was unhappy that she was being referred to as the wife of an ex slave.

The marriage suffered, Zayd divorced Zaynab in the end.

All parties felt bad, the Prophet in particular.

He thought of marrying Zaynab but was wary of the comments of detractors.Then, verses were revealed which addressed the matter.

Verses 5 and 50 of chapter 33 clarify that although the Prophet was close to Zayd, he was not his father and as such could marry his divorced wife and not run foul of Allah's law which prohibits father and son from ever marrying same woman.

CONCLUSION
Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a 7th century, Middle Eastern, Arab Prophet. His marriages were according to the customs of his people and time. Some prominent Jewish figures who were Prophets like him, married according to similar customs.
Singling him out of his generation and predecessors in the 21st century, for condemnation over a common practice of his time is to say the least, hypocritical.

3. Later in that year, his closest friend Abu bakr proposed that he married his daughter, Aisha.
He married her at six and consummated the marriage when she was nine.
This marriage has raised so much dust in recent times. We'll look at it further

The number 3 above is a big fat lie. Abu Bakr never proposed, to mohammed, to marry his 6 year old girl. No sane man will propose, to a man of 51 years old, to marry his 6-year old daughter. Mohammed did the proposal himself by claiming that allah showed Aisha to him in a dream.

Empiree:
Who is Hisham and who is father?. You know them personally?. Tell us how they look?. I have told you that you chose what pleases you. And you have not answered my initial question. I still got more references and questions for you but answer the first one first. It seems you didn't read to digest my previous post. The Quraishi and pagans, even in their enmity, the Meccans of Muhammad's time never accused him of moral ineptitude.

You asking me who Hisham is is not relevant to this discussion. Your question should have been directed to Imam Bukhari who compiled the authentic hadith being used in all the sunni Muslim world. Direct your anger and question to Imam Bukhari who quoted Ibn Hisham as saying Aisha was 6 years old when Mohammed married her. Didn't you also read the hadith where Aisha said she was 6 when Mohammed married her and was 9 when Mohammed (being 54) started having sex with her? As part of the condition of rejecting or accepting an hadith, that is it must have a chain of narration, which the hadith and info satisfied. Argue with your scholars and not me concerning Aisha's age.

Empiree:
A christian Dr. wrote:
"The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Aisha was between 16 and 19 years old when she married Muhammad."

What is the name of this so-called christian doctor and what were his sources?

Empiree:
Who opposed Aisha's marriage to prophet at that time?

Abu Bakr and his wife opposed mohammed for the fact that Aisha was like Mohammed's niece and his daughter as well. However mohammed argued that they are not related by blood but only by religion hence made Aisha lawful for him.

Empiree:
Did anyone accuse prophet muhammad (SAW) of pedophilism those days?

Mohammed considered himself the best of mankind and a perfect conduct for emulation. His claim should have been backup with a good action and he should have know better than his contemporaries.

Empiree:
Answer these questions please. Besides, this Hadith you quoted suggests prophet married Aisha after Khadija. Sawdah bint Zam was his second wife.
Believe whatever you want. But I will keep it simple with you. Aisha(may Allah be pleased with her) was born 613 CE. Battle of badr (the first battle) took place in 624 two years after hijra. There is no historical record to back up solitary Hadith you quoted. There are other historical records about her age. I would have accepted the Hadith if it was attributed to the prophet himself (saw). No one can tell your story like you. In another word, only prophet muhammad (SAW) could tell his story and then, his God.

Your mathematical gymnastics and calculation is irrelevant. Aisha and Ibn Hisham's testimonies are enough to establish the fact we are talking about. Provide an alternative hadith that contradicts Aisha's words and testimonies.

Empiree:
The bible says,
I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

Your hadith are oral testimonies of the sahabas of mohammed concerning the words and deeds of mohammed. How do you want to see mohammed's direct words in the hadith, aside being quoted by a third party? Are you sure you are still a Muslim? Your Islamic knowledge seem to be depreciating day by day.

Empiree:
So only prophet himself could tell his story. But I'm not interested in all of these for now. My question was why didn't people at the time criticize prophet's marriage to the Aisha at the time?. Why is true2god having headache with this in 21st century?

So we should reject all hadith right?

Empiree:
Instead of you to formally enroll in islamic school you are trolling islamic threads to learn from us indirectly. I dont have problem with it by the way. Keep learning bro. By the way you didnt quote this hadith in full from the beginning.

Can you give us the full quotation of the hadith? The hadith said mohammed approved Geomancy, aka sand reading or line drawing. Is line drawing sunnah or not?

Realismailakabir:
In the name of Allah the most compassionate the most merciful, He guides whoever he wills and make astray whoever he wills He sent his last Prophet out of mercy to the world(SAW)

This article is divided into three to ease reading. There are three types of Shirk that is common in our society.

# Going to soothsayer/Witchdoctor
# Practicing Black magic
# Worshipping of Idol.

PART1
Going to soothsayer/Witchdoctor
This is a very grave sin in islam to go to a soothsaying person either Alfa, Harbalist, or Woli. That is due to many refrences in the Quran and Hadith.

the Prophet SAW said "Whoever went to a
soothsayer or a diviner and believed in what he said, had no faith in what was sent to Muhammad" i.e. Quran, Hadith

on the authority of Abu Hurayrah the
Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, informed us that whoever goes to a soothsayer or a diviner and believes
what he says becomes a disbeliever.

When a person goes to a fortuneteller and asks him about something and believes what he says, This is disbelief in Allaah (kufr), because he is believing the
fortuneteller’s claim to have knowledge of the unseen, and believing a human-being's claim to have knowledge of the unseen constitutes disbelief in the verse in which Allaah says "Say, none in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allaah" (Quran 27:65)

However, whatever the case, the door of repentance is open, as the Prophet (PBUH) said: “Allaah will accept the repentance of His slave so long as the death rattle has not reached his throat.”




PART2
Practicing Black magic

Black magic, commonly referred to as “Sihr” in the Holy Quran, is one of the most condemned acts for a Muslim.
All kinds of magic are haram, considering that the idea upon which it is founded goes against the principles of Islam.Being Muslims, we believe that only Allah (SWT) has the power to change fate and design the path for us to follow. Magic invalidates this concept by giving humans the
power to control destiny, thus defying
Allah. It's one of the tools of Shaitan.

Allah said in (Surah al-Baqarah 2:102)
that whoever buys the idea of engaging in blackmagic he will have no share in hereafter. "...and certainly they know that he who brought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was
the price for which they sold their souls; had they known this.”

The Holy Prophet (SAW) said, “Verily, spells, amulets, (onde) and charms are acts of idolatry.” (Sunan Abu Dawood 3883)

Some Popular Blackmagic
Oogun owo- money ritual
Gbetugbetu- Command
Afose/Olugbohun- be-as-i-say
Amudo- Touch and follow
Aluwo - awestrucker
Edi or Edija- Seperator
Agbelepota- Enemy-killer
Oroka/onde- Charmed ring/amulet
and hundreds more.



Part3
Worshipping of Idol

In the Qur’an and the hadiths of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) it is forbidden to worship idols, and it is enjoined to worship Allah only.

Allah, “So avoid the uncleanliness [rijs] of idols and avoid false statement”
[al-Hajj 22:30]

"And [We sent] Abraham, when he said to his people, Worship Allah and fear Him. That is best for you, if you should know.
You only worship, besides Allah, idols, and you produce a falsehood. Indeed, those you worship besides Allah do not possess for you [the power of] provision. So seek from Allah provision and worship Him and be grateful to Him. To Him you will be returned”

[al-‘Ankaboot 29:16-17]

“And [Abraham] said, You have only taken, other than Allah , idols as [a bond of] in worldly life. Then on the Day of Resurrection you will deny one another and curse one another, and your refuge will be the Fire, and you will not have any helpers.”Am
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:26].

Note that an idol is anything being served, sacrificed, revered by its adherents believing it has some supernatural powers that can effect human condition. Some very popular idols are Ifa, Ogun etc.

What about geomancy in Islam where the Islamic prophet Enoch was reported to use sand to make prediction for the future? Your prophet didn't condemn Islamic prophet Enoch practice of geomancy in that hadith. Is geomancy a legitimate Islamic practice?

Narrated Mu'awiyah b. al-Hakam al-Sulami:
I said: Messenger of Allah! among us there are men who practice divination by drawing lines. He said: There was a Prophet who drew lines, so if anyone does it as he drew lines, that is right.
حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنِ الْحَجَّاجِ الصَّوَّافِ، حَدَّثَنِي يَحْيَى بْنُ أَبِي كَثِيرٍ، عَنْ هِلاَلِ بْنِ أَبِي مَيْمُونَةَ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ السُّلَمِيِّ، قَالَ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمِنَّا رِجَالٌ يَخُطُّونَ ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏ "‏ كَانَ نَبِيٌّ مِنَ الأَنْبِيَاءِ يَخُطُّ فَمَنْ وَافَقَ خَطَّهُ فَذَاكَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
Grade : Sahih (Al-Albani) صحيح (الألباني) حكم :
Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 3909
In-book reference : Book 30, Hadith 6
English translation : Book 29, Hadith 3900

N.B: Geomancy, or sand reading or line drawing, is like IFA (among the yoruba people) divination.

Empiree:
Is this your escape route just because you can not answer my question?. It is a very simple question. Why do you think you wanna condemn marriage btw Aisha (ra) and the prophet(saw) despite being taught many times over the years?. You think I am here to waste my time knowing who you are?.

Anyways, prophet Muhammad recognized 6 and 9yr old as a child. It was impossible that he would marry a child who definitely had not reach age of puberty when he said these words:

Prayer (Kitab Al-Salat)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds (to sleep) separately.



Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 495
In-book reference : Book 2, Hadith 105
English translation : Book 2, Hadith 495


So question is, had Aisha rechead age of puberty at 6 or 9?. Answer is no. She was considered a child even at the time. So how would prophet married a girl before puberty?. Use your sense. Hadith you quoted is historical not wahy (revelation). In the Quran, God addressed wives of the prophet as WOMEN. A 6 or 9 yr old at the time was not a woman. We also read history that Aisha went to the first battle of Badr before she married the prophet(sw) and rule of thumb was that no one under the age of 15 should accompanied men to the battle. She married the prophet(SAW) after the battle and after Hijra. The Battle of badr was 2 years after hijrah and battle of uhud was 3 years after hijrah. All these are documented in Sahih Bukhari. I know you won't see this because of your selfish interest.

These short articles should help you out and stop quoting solitary hadith to justify your illusion. Do sincere research and stop being a nuisance. THere are several researches on the internet to learn from.

https://medium.com/@talalrafi/was-aisha-9-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-muhammad 20ae7516e428#:~:text=Which%20means%20she%20was%20over,in%20looking%20after%20the%20wounded.

https://yaqeeninstitute.org/arnold-yasin-mol/aisha-ra-the-case-for-an-older-age-in-sunni-hadith-scholarship

Is it that you no longer believe in Islamic chains of narrations? Is this that sahih Bukhari is no longer sahih? Is it that the hadith below are weak or fabricated?

Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:829, Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88, Sahih Bukhari 6:60:274)

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

On a side bar, quran 65:4 also talked about marriage and divorce of girl who never had their first menstrual cycle, that is yet to attain puberty. Do you also condemn quran 65:4 as weak or fabricated ayah?

ModestGal:
Shut the hell up, and leave my mention. You are so full of envy, I'm sure your wife's IQ is low so you must have been so pained that you can never get around intelligent powerful women like her and trust me, you will never because you are definitely an irritant to intelligence.
And mind you, thats the same thing Shekau think of other Muslims who do not join him, so feel free to port to Borno or Sambisa forest to join your people.
Envious thing, enemy of progress

ModestGal who wants to be an 'aluta' agent and a societal nuisance, where art thou? The moment your so-called role model gets the political appointment she so much needed, and hustling for, you will no longer see her on the street protesting. Where is Festus Keyamo, where is Femi Adesina, where is Reuben Abati of yesteryears? Use you brain young lady and understand that your so-called Aisha Yesufu is working hard to be noticed by the government for a possible political appointment. Use your brain!

ModestGal:
Sir, you are not okay.
So, the figure of speech mean she wants to throw away her cloths? Did you go to school at al sir? Please go back to JSS3 to read on figure of speech sir

Your fellow angry woman without parental or husband control.

Empiree:
Bros, my question is relevant and valid to this topic. Provide a reference for rejection of their union at that time. It is a very simple question. I have more questions but only one question so far makes you shiver. I'm giving you a second chance to give me answer. Since you like to dig into our text then give us evidence that people at the time opposed their marriage based on Aisha's age?. If you don't have answer just tell me so I can help you further

Empire I will e-slap you ooo. Why are defending Pedophillia in the name of religion?

ModestGal:
Sir, you are not okay.
So, the figure of speech mean she wants to throw away her cloths? Did you go to school at al sir? Please go back to JSS3 to read on figure of speech sir

My english literature teacher, tell me the contextual meaning of 'if the government want to be mad, then we all have to throw away our cloths'.

Remember, Aisha Yesufu is still your role model and please tell us the contextual meaning of the statement above.

Thank you.

Empiree:
First of all, why is it true2god in 21 century is the one having problem with Aisha's marriage to the prophet?. Show us evidence in history where anyone opposed to Aisha's marriage to the prophet or accused prophet of marrying a "child"?.

Please provide proof. We need precedent for your claim. If you can not find proof that anyone including prophet's archenemies condemned the prophet for marrying a child, then whatever you say in modern time is irrelevant. This is your first assignment bcuz I know it is a waste of time giving you evidences.

Here is my question again.

Provide evidence that people in the time of the prophet muhammad (SAW) opposed to their union?.

If there was no opposition and you can provide evidence, then, there is nothing to talk about.

But if you think there were people that opposed to their marriage because Aisha (ra) was "underage", then bring your proof.

You have shifted the goal post from denial (of the age of Aisha) to for me to provide proof that the people of Mohammed's time were against the union. This is an irrational request because you are trying to shift the focus of the discussion.

The buttomline is that your own authentic hadith (sahih Muslim and sahih bukhari) recorded that Aisha was 6 years when Mohammed married her but, being so merciful, started having sex with Aisha when Aisha became a girl of 9. Even if the people of Mohammed's time kept quiet, which I doubt, that doesn't make it right or moral.

Our morality and human conscience teach us that a man of 54 years having sex with a girl of 9 is immoral and ungodly. Mohammed should have known better because he called himself the prophet of allah.

ModestGal:
I said it, your IQ is low
You only get your Ego fuelled by hating a woman, you must think of yourself so low.
What are you? What have you achieved? Who have you helped? Whether you like it or not, you can never amount to what she has amounted to in the history of Nigeria. Shes all over the internet now and SANE people are proud of her.

If you like, go and look for the mistake she committed in Primary school, so you can see something bad to say about her, it changes nothing. You will never be half her

All you can do is to cover yourself in your Cowardice and hate her all your life. Happy Hating, but trust me, you can end up in depression if you keep hating for no reason than the fact that she has achieved more than yourself. Grow up

Hope your are also ready to throw away your cloth and become naked in public like your role model Aisha Yesufu.

ModestGal:
I said it, your IQ is low
You only get your Ego fuelled by hating a woman, you must think of yourself so low.
What are you? What have you achieved? Who have you helped? Whether you like it or not, you can never amount to what she has amounted to in the history of Nigeria. Shes all over the internet now and SANE people are proud of her.

If you like, go and look for the mistake she committed in Primary school, so you can see something bad to say about her, it changes nothing. You will never be half her

All you can do is to cover yourself in your Cowardice and hate her all your life. Happy Hating, but trust me, you can end up in depression if you keep hating for no reason than the fact that she has achieved more than yourself. Grow up

This is your role model angry woman playing the victim card.

ModestGal:
Shut the hell up, and leave my mention. You are so full of envy, I'm sure your wife's IQ is low so you must have been so pained that you can never get around intelligent powerful women like her and trust me, you will never because you are definitely an irritant to intelligence.
And mind you, thats the same thing Shekau think of other Muslims who do not join him, so feel free to port to Borno or Sambisa forest to join your people.
Envious thing, enemy of progress

You are an angry woman. You better get an husband so that your anger and frustration hormone can be reduced.

Go and marry and stop this aluta spirit trying to unleash terror through you. Of all people to be your role model it is Aisha Yesufu,. A woman, on her Twitter handle, that tacitly confirmed she has 'odeshi'.

Nawa for you small alhaja.

Empiree:
Rubbish!

Is this Hadith of the prophet himself?. Guy, I'm not interested in unnecessary arguments. Marriage of Aisha was historical not RELIGION. So story is bound to have inaccuracies. We have evidences otherwise. So get over this trash. You are talking as if you care so much about 6yr old Aisha. Go and worry about corruption in churches. Don't let me bombard you with references. I know that no amount of proofs given to you, you will return here in a week and still speak the same trash again.

Provide your counter evidence or keep kwayet! I have given you numerous hadith, your own Islamic source, that proved that Mohammed married a baby and slept with her. For that fact that you don't like what you were told your prophet did doesn't make it false.

ModestGal:
Shut the hell up and leave my post with your negativity. I can see you are so jealous of her and thats why you feel so bad about her achievement, well, I don't blame you, you are nothing but a weakling with low self esteem who only receives pleasure in tarnishing people. I already know you can never amount to half of what Aisha Yesufu is and thus the jealous.
Bye Felicia

Take it easy. Aisha Yesufu is a potential terrorist. I believe you don't wanna delve into terrorism in future.

Empiree:
bro, why is your life so miserable?. I am sure you have learned this subject on this platform for 6 years but you still asking this silly question 6yrs later?. This shows you have ulterior motives.

Don't be angry bro. Mohammed is not Buhari that we we discuss and move on. New generation of Muslims are being taught the life of Mohammed hence it is reasonable to discuss both the good and the ugly side of him.

Empiree:
If you need to learn more on this topic there are several articles and videos available to you and stop being nuisance online. Prophet muhammad (SAW) did not marry 9yr old girl. There are evidences pointing otherwise but you rely on solitary Hadith to prove your position. Get over it

No Sir! We have a chain of narration that attested to the fact that Aisha was 6 when mohammed married her and was 9 when mohammed started sleeping with her while mohammed was 54 years old. Is it that you no longer believe in 'chains of narrations' or you are just embarrased that your prophet can stoop so low? (See the following Islamic references that didnt support your wrong claim: Sahih Bukhari 3:48:805, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:829, Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88, Sahih Bukhari 6:60:274)

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

Empiree:
Besides, is that 9yr old girl you're daughter?. Why are you so much concerned if you don't have motives?

Aisha is not my daughter but it is a child-abuse for a 54-year old man to sleep with a 9-year old girl. Mohammed also called himself the best example for mankind.

Empiree:
You are a Catholic. There are priests sleeping with young boys at vatican, the Christian holiest cite for you to sort out instead of sticking your nose here, abi?

I am not a catholic and catholic priests do not call themselves perfect conduct for emulation (which Mohammed did call himself).

Hussein01:
Good debate requires you concede that you are wrong rather than argue blindly or re-state already answered questions.

Two things are possible here, it is either you didn't read the article or you lack comprehensive skills. Aisha's marriage, playing with dolls, age gap etc. are all answered there.

And did you miss the part I said I will, should time present an opportunity, create a post about the prophet marital life?


Stop throwing gauntlet when it's unnecessary cus I won't pick it up.

Sorry, do you mean it is normal for a man of 54 years old sleeping with a girl of 9 years old? I need you answer 'yes' or 'no'.

Hussein01:
did you read my comment at all...if you did you wouldn't have asked this question again

I read your comment; can you please expatiate?

Akhirastriver:
And please don't quote me again please ,I might curse u ,thank u

You can no longer bear the heat. I get y'all.

advocatejare:
You've not answered these:

Who then is a Muslim?

So he was not a Muslim and he claimed he was named to be a Prophet?

At what point did Muhammad become a Muslim?

Bro, you dey really pepper my fellow ignorant Muslims. I am just laughing alone here.

Hussein01:
You should argue only when you have knowledge about the bone of contention....the words therein was uttered on behalf of the believers.

So Allah is the one whom the prayer is being directed to not the order way round.

Who was the one speaking or praying in Surah alfatiha? Remember, all the words in the Quran are said to be from allah.

advocatejare:
So he was not a Muslim at that time but he was going into seclusion to worship Allah alone in the cave?

Who then is a Muslim?

So he was not a Muslim and he claimed he was named to be a Prophet?

At what point did Muhammad become a Muslim?



It's not my opinion, it's what your Sahih hadith says.

Mohammed was not a Muslim when he used to visit the cave of hirah to worship allah alone. Which allah was Mohammed worshippjng before he became a 'prophet' (in quote)?

advocatejare:
I didn't bother to watch the video, the pastor is not the standard for Christians. That was why I asked you for biblical reference and you falsified the reference you gave and I exposed you.




You Muslims are the ones that copy what Muhammad do so as to get reward, you claim that he's the best of mankind and that his wives are your mothers.

And I showed you how Muhammad was married by the wealthy Khadija and when Khadija died, Muhammad inherited her wealth and used them to marry other women and didn't allow his new wives to work but instead of providing enough garments for them, he didn't.

His wives had only one garment each and they couldn't even afford to remove the garment to wash when stained with menstrual blood, they had to use their nails to scrape the blood off.

I hope you're not treating your wives like that. If you know you can't provide for them, let them work jeje.

Thank you for educating my fellow ignorant Muslims. May God bless you richly.

How can the so-called greatest prophet allow his numerous wives have only one cloth each despite the zakat, the Jizya and the war booties that were constantly being provided by allah?

Empiree:
Alhamdulilah, I am enjoying bounties of Allah each day and I give all thanks to Him. I also send salutations and blessings on His prophet daily. Nothing better than this.

I hope the bounties do include sexx slaves and war booties.

Akhirastriver:
First of all the hadith u quoted is wrong ,
If u believe Muhammad is not Allah's prophet thats your own problem ,if u believe good for u , I can't be punished for ur sins ,let me practice my religion face ur own if u ar sure of making heaven ,peace

A Nigerian Muslim telling us that Imam Bukhari was wrong without any alternative fact. I know it, you will say the hadith was either weak or fabricated by the Jews. And to school you further, that hadith is the beginning of Mohammed's so-called divine revelation which can be seen in your Quran surah 96 ayah 1-2.

It is funny that it is we kufar that's teaching you your own religion. As a punishment for this, you must do ablution 30 times and press up 50 pushes at a go.

advocatejare:
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:111

Narrated By 'Aisha
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous... up to... that which he knew not." (96.15) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones."

Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.

Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night)."


From the embolden above it's glaring that :

1. Muhammad had been going into seclusion to worship their Quraysh idol, Allah before he had encounter with that jinn in the cave.

2. The jinn never introduced himself as Gabriel

3. Waraqa never said the jinn was Gabriel because Gabriel never appeared to Moses

4. The Jinn never declared Muhammad as a Prophet

5. The jinn tormented Muhammad by pressing him down so hard

6. Muhammad ran home feeling cold and twitching his neck muscles like someone convulsing

7. Muhammad wanted to commit suicide severally by jumping off the mountain top.

No true prophet of God was ever tormented, pressed down and wanted to commit suicide.

Hence Muhammad was not a Prophet of God, his encounter with that entity in the cave was a demonic possession.

Thank you for educating my fellow ignorant Muslims on the origin of their religion.

advocatejare:
Unfortunately for them, Sahih Bukhari is not a weak hadith

You are right. Sahih means authentic which means we cannot have a weak and a fabricated hadith in an authentic hadith.

Empiree:
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/403620260414581/

My friend longest time. How's allah and his only messenger treating you?

AntiChristian:
Can you tell is how rich was Jesus' and Paul's wives?

Can you mention how many women were millionaire during the time of Jesus?

Jesus was bankrolled by everyone he met. He was fed by people. And so?

You guys just cherry pick one verse to twist sha.

May these lying Christians perish!

Honestly you made me laugh when you said Jesus was bankrolled by anyone he met. I like your response; it is both funny and logical since the Bible didn't tell us the business Jesus was engaged in.

Mohammed on the other hand was initially bankrolled by Abu Bakr As Sadiq (the richest among the sabahas) and later Omar ibn kathab.

However Mohammed turned to stealing and looting when the money was no longer coming in (Quran 8:1, sahih bukhari 4:52:220, Qur'an 3:24).

advocatejare:
They were so poor that they had only one garment each, and could not afford to even change it if it's stained during menses.

Narrated By 'Aisha
None of us had more than a single garment and we used to have our menses while wearing it. Whenever it got soiled with blood of menses we used to apply saliva to the blood spot and rub off the blood with our nails.
-Sahih Bukhari 1:6:309

Antichristian would lie to us that Muhammad took care of his wives. Why would his wives have just one garment each?

He didn't allow them to work and yet he couldn't provide basic things like clothing for them.

Thatfairguy1 was that fair?

Rashduct4luv reason am na abi na Empiree go give us answer

Their escape route will be 'this is a weak hadith'. Islam is a very fascinating religion.

GallantDuke:
Must you show to us that you are a schmuck? If you don't have any reasonable thing to say why not keep quiet

Don't mind him. He must be an agbero or a tout/criminal for making that comment.