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I don't believe it, I sus0pect a foul play. Why make a conclusion without proper investigation?

tintingz:
When you don't know something, you say "I don't know" but when you say this thing can't be explain therefore it must be spiritual or this or that then you are "arguing from Ignorance". You're filling the gap out of Ignorance.

The problem with this "argument from Ignorance" is what if we later can explain this phenomena, won't this contradict your initial claim?

You don't belief in the spiritual or that supernatural forces exist, so it is almost futile trying to explain basic spiritual fact to you. If however an argument is brought up that defies scientific rules, you will reject such claim and ask us to wait for scientific validation before such phenomenon will be accepted. I used your great great grandfather as an example, that you never knew or met him does not discount the fact that he existed. If, however someone asked you to definitely prove he is your great great grandfather, you cannot. In summary, for the fact that you cannot give a 100% explanation to a particularly consistent observation does not there are no rules governing the occurrence. I also use dreams to explain a certain accept of human life but you retorted to absurdities by invoking your regular 'santa clause'. This is an irredeemable state bro.

tintingz:
I've demonstrated your argument from Ignorance and it problems. So please stop arguing from Ignorance.

I have not done research to that level, if science cannot explain this phenomena now, please don't be quick to conclude it's spiritual or fill the gap out of Ignorance. It's better to admit I don't know yet, we may know in the future.

Science, from time immemorial, never discounted the existence of the spiritual. The notion of the absence of the spiritual is only associated with atheism. Atheism is not a new form of science, it is a belief that deny the existence of the 'spirit factor'. If science cannot explain a phenomenon that does not make atheism a philosophical alternative to explain or suspend the spiritual interpretation of an occurrence.

tintingz:
Exactly my point here. Panadol has been tested and experimented, has bitter Kola be experimented or scientifically tested? Im sure you don't know, how come you conclude it's spiritual?

Scientists believe in the UFOs but has no scientific explanation to it. There are many things scientist believe in but cannot completely validate with physical experiment. I don't think you have any scientific scholarship to determine how scientific thought must or should work.

tintingz:
Always leave room for other possibilities.

Yes, but also give me for alternative argument to avoid 'academic dogmatism'.

tintingz:
I don't know.

You be ready to learn new things. Knowledge acquisition does not start and end in science laboratory. I don't want to to dabble into spiritism; if you do you wont come here shouting 'I am an atheist'. You will see beyond what you bargained for, so I wont want to to seek spiritual enlightenment or knowledge.

tintingz:
Now do you admit you don't know as well?

Life is never in a vacuum; the law of cause and effect is applicable both is physics and metaphysics. Lets stop there for now.

tintingz:
Again, it's not common for python to hunt people. The people in anambra are not hunting pythons or the snakes why should any snakes be tormenting them?

You said python never attacked people but I show you the python had killed many people. Snake generally are not domestic animals and cannot be tamed. Snakes are will animals and may not necessarily go quietly if you dont attack. They are still regarded as the most dangerous wild animal in the world. Snake is the highest killer of man among all the wild animals. It is very childish to assume that there is a symbiotic relationship between snakes and people in Anambra state; the relationship is both cultural and spiritual and has nothing to do with mutual respect. This is a sociocultural condition even your greatest atheist can never explain; or should we wait for science to explain this para-normal situation in the future?

tintingz:
Snakes only strikes when they feel threatened.

Yes, but black mamba does not always obey this rule and pythons, in their natural habitats, do not obey this rule.

tintingz:
Please from the link quote out where it said it repel all snakes.

https://healthroot.com/bitter-kola/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribuneonlineng.com/scientists-validate-plants-that-repel-snakes/amp/

This is what I call desperation; googling and searching, in desperation, in order to validate a false premise. For your information, even if you hide bitter kola in your inner jacket and wear another jacket on it, snakes will still avoid you. Your concepts of 'chemical substance' does not stand a ground here. This is a simple trado-cultural concept that science have never explained. To rest my case here, not all phenomenon known, as true, must/can/should necessarily be explained by science.

You are confusing me though, are you an atheist or a scientist?

tintingz:
I'm not here to win any argument.

Philosophical words are very valid in an argument that has to do spirituality. Please go and understand what philosophy is.

Ok.

tintingz:
This is argument from Ignorance.

What you do not know becomes an 'argument from Ignorance' by default. I understand better.

tintingz:
So because bitter kola repel snakes therefore Its spiritual?

You can provide a proven scientific angle to this phenomenon; not your usual strawman or guess work. A hardcore scientific explanation on why and how it is possible.

tintingz:
Maybe Panadol that cure headache is also spiritual.

Panadal was clinically tested and 'guinea pig' experiment carried out before it's prescription and administration to patients. You analogy here does not make sense.

tintingz:
Oga, you don't fill your ignorance with fallacies. FYI there are various plants that repel snakes, snakes might be allergic to these plants, I haven't done research to that. Bitter Kola is natural whatever claim you said it repel snakes must be natural.

Your initial post denied the fact that bitter kola repel snakes but thank God you have brought in the 'natural' dimension to the argument. It still begs the question, based on your standard (physical facts and logic), what physical and logical qualities does bitter kola posses that makes it possible to repel snake, from the scientific point of view? If you don't know you can humble say 'I don't know'.

tintingz:
Are anambra people living in their(snakes) home?

Amnesia is of course not a good trait of a self-professed atheist. I told you that they exist harmoniosly in the same community; they share the same living space (Man and python). How come Burmenese pythons kill the local inhabitants while 'Anambra' pythons live in peace with human? Explain this strange social and scientific phenomenon.

tintingz:
Evidence that it repel all snakes.

I have provided you various link which can aid your independent investigation. You won't but would rather argue, rather lazily, on your keyboard.

tintingz:
Like I said, there are various plants said to repel snakes due to chemicals they contain.

Mention the chemicals that are contained in bitter kola that have been scientifically proven that enables this phenomenon while it doesn't affect other reptiles (but snakes alone).

tintingz:
So you are saying reductio ad absurdum is not used in an intellectual argument or philosophical argument?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

This is what I told you: Using philosophical buzz words does not win an argument or makes one intelligent. You don't use sarcasm when you engage someone in an intellectual discussion; it is a sign of unseriousness and intellectual immaturity.. Using philosophical buzz word in a public discourse is a form of showmanship and does not make sense. You debate to make sense and not to impress or show off.

tintingz:
What bitter kola are they running from?

This is where I am actually going to; to expose your 'dogma' and let you understand that there are many things can science can hardly explain but can be spiritually and naturally explained. All over the world, bitter kola is a natural remedy to keep snakes away from your premises and I need an atheist to explain this phenomenon to me. How is this possible? See links below to help you more get a better understanding of what I am talking about.
https://maajay..com/2017/11/safety-tips-to-avoid-snake-bites.html
https://pearlosibu./2013/06/11/20-things-to-do-when-you-have-a-snake-in-your-apartment/
https://yagbeonilu.com/orogbo-bitter-kola-spiritual-benefits/

tintingz:
Pythons don't hunt humans, it's not common for them.

Python do kill if one encroach it habitat. See news below: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39427462

tintingz:
We need to know the kind of snakes that exist in that area.

Bitter kola repel all snakes and I need you provide philosophical and scientific phenomenon that makes it possible.

tintingz:
It's a pity how you can't get a simple reductio ad absurdum.

Using philosophical buzz words does not win an argument or makes one intelligent. You don't use sarcasm when you engage someone in an intellectual discussion; it is a sign of unseriousness and intellectual immaturity.

tintingz:
Do snakes hunt people?

Snakes do not ordinary hunt people neither are snakes socially programmed to be friendly with human; snakes psychological make-up do not make them act like a dog to man. Snakes will naturally attack human if feel threatened; however larger snakes like Boa constrictor or python can/will hunt man (because their size give them more confidence) if anyone encroach their natural habitat.

As an 'atheist' who believe in 'facts and physical evidence', how do you rationalize the fact that almost all known snakes run away whenever and wherever they come in contact with a bitter kola while this same phenomenon does not happen to other (or similar) reptiles? What is the valid scientific explanation to this phenomenon and why are rodent or other reptiles not affected at the presence of bitter kola but only mostly snakes?

tintingz:
So taking someone info without reference is a fact right?

I believe you are smart enough to make a factual statement devoid any mistake. If you mean I shouldn't take whatever you say as true, if no reference is provided, why am I then debating you? Do you mean any information you provide must not be taken for face-value if you never provide any reference? Is that the new 'atheistic' norm and standard? I have learnt something new today.

tintingz:
Lol, are you saying snakes are not trained?

Ok, in Pokémon, monsters are friends with humans.

In india, elephants are their best friend.

Please if you have a logical argument kindly present them.

tintingz:
Snakes kill people in anambra.

I think I have a better understanding of you now. Anyway, since you claim that Elephants and man are best of friends, see the link bellow that confirms your confusion:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/elephant-attacks-killed-369-people-in-odisha-since-2015-1570101-2019-07-16

I told you that in some communities in Anambra, man and python live in complete harmony without any known case of human-python incident. See the references again:

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/anambra-town-man-pythons-harmony/

https://www.yabaleftonline.ng/inside-anambra-town-human-beings-huge-pythons/

You as a pseudo-atheist, who believed in physical evidence and facts, have been provided facts and links to do a personal research, but you are yet to produce any physical or circumstantial evidence to back-up your so-called 'facts' and 'claims'. I can't believe that you, a well known global atheist, will resort to using 'sarcasm technique' to cover-up for your errors. Once you can rightly explain the phenomenon which make it possible, for a certain people and community, to live and interact will snakes, viz-a-viz a wild animal, while others can't, then I can take you more serious. Aside that, your atheism stops and ends in your philosophy classroom.

tintingz:
Do you know what reductio ad absurdum means?

You made a claim about snakes not tormenting people in anambra and made same claim that elephants don't torments people in India.

Elephants kill people in India. Please get your facts right and stop hiding behind sarcasm when caught providing a wrong info.

tintingz:
It was a sarcasms.

You said snakes don't bite people in anambra and i said elephants are friends of Indians base on spirituality.

If you can still get this absurdity, I'm sorry I can't help.

It is arrogance and stupidity to lie repeatedly in order to appear smart, at all cost,. I said snakes and man live in complete harmony, without any incident, in a community in anambra, which I still stand on as a fact and you countered that elephants are also friends of man in India and you were corrected for providing a wrong info. Pls stop all these bro; being an intellectual also demands honesty. If you can't be honest how can one take you serious?

tintingz:
I totally agree with you.

You said elephants are friends to man in India, do you now repudiate your initial false perception on the relationship between elephants and man in India?

tintingz:
Was this not what I tried to show you?

You said snakes don't torment people in anambra despite being dangerous and I said elephants are friends of Indians too.

You should get the sarcasm.

Sorry bro, this is not sarcasm but your statement of fact which had been disproved as a lie. Why invoke 'sarcasm' after you were bursted? Say 'sorry' and move on; you are not dealing with kids.

And to correct your misquote, I never used the word 'torment' on the relationship between Python and man in anambra state. I said they lived in perfect harmony.

tintingz:
Lol, are you saying snakes are not trained?

Ok, in Pokémon, monsters are friends with humans.

In india, elephants are their best friend.

Please if you have a logical argument kindly present them.

Goel:
Hello, I'm an Indian and elephants are very dangerous animals. Those who have elephants are a small community very skilled people with licenses. Elephants aren't caught & domesticated that easily and their transition to residential places is very restricted.
You won't able to handle an elephant once it gets spooked by any nuisance and how many lives & how much wealth it will threaten if not shooted down on the spot.

You Afros got even bigger elephants so you may know better how ugly they can make it.

@ Tintinz, I hope you will be humble enough enough to recant your fallacy: In india, elephants are their best friend.

tintingz:
I've physical evidence, I stated them in my previous post.

Your physical evidence is a picture shown to you by your father which can be real or not real. What if another man's picture is shown you as your great grand father, how do you authenticate? You cannot be definitive, 100%, that the picture shown to you is that of your great grandfather. The picture is a circumstantial evidence which you are shown as the true picture. What if, tomorrow, another picture popped up somewhere and your dad said 'oh, I made a mistake, this is original picture'. Since you dont know your great grandfather personally and never met him, you can only believe what you are told about him and ANY picture showed of him.

tintingz:
Santa has also appear in my dreams to give advice, does this is also apply?

Your use of santa clause is getting stale; be more resourceful in your argument. Your question does not sound like someone who wish to learn but drag an argument without anything to gain from it. I talked about dead relatives talking to people in their dreams and you are here talking about santa clause. You need to be a bit serious bro. As I said earlier, there is nothing that happen to man, either physically or subconsciously, that does not have a reason. There must be a cause and effect!

tintingz:
Dreams are just your figments of imaginations when your REM is active.

No, dreams have spiritual significance in the life of a man. A man can have a dream of an accident and it will happen in the physical world, either to the man or someone close to him. I have seen uncountable instances like this.

tintingz:
Then you cannot base your fact or truth on what it has not been critically examine.

The same way I cannot accept your showing me the picture of a great grand father because it cannot be 'critically examined' as a fact.

tintingz:
You are using the God of gaps argument. Because something cannot be explain therefore it's spiritual, you didn't consider other possibilities.

If one believes in the divine of course God can be invoked in an argument. There are many things beyond human comprehension and can only be attributed to cosmic forces. A friend of mine told me, when we were in primary 6, that he was a reincarnation of his late uncle who died during the Nigeria-Biafra war and that when he was born it was said, after much consultation with the 'Chi' that he will be a great man who will be a shinning light to the family and that he will travel to the US and become a great academic. At this point in time his father was an 'Obioma' tailor while his mother sold groundnut; they were very very poor. Almost 26 years after our conversation, the guy is in the US and had moves his parents to the US. The statement he made about 26 years ago was 100% correct.

tintingz:
Energy can be observe mister. We use energy to do many things.

Your argument had always been centered around 'facts and logic' and not on observation. Your including 'obervation' in your argument is a dramatic shift in your own policy of 'fact, logic and evidence'. If you cannot see but feel energy how can you ask someone to provide fact and logic? In order words what I feel can as well be used as a 'fact and logic', based on your own standard. If I say I feel the energy of the supernatural around me, is this still tenable to you or is what must be acceptable to be viewed using your own lenses? That is a logic of a pseudo-academic and a hypocrite.

tintingz:
I don't know how true this claim is. Some claim are exaggerated.

Any claim you can't personally supervise must be rejected, I see your wrap logic.

tintingz:
Can you demonstrate this? Bring a kid or anybody from anambra and let put him in a den of cobras.

I gave you a link, and as an inquisitive mind, I expected you to visit the community and prove me wrong. You have all the necessary information to do your checks. Do not be lazy.

tintingz:
Let's examine why they are not bitten.

Refer to my quote above.

tintingz:
Elephants can be dangerous when aggressive, in India they see elephants as divine in respect to their God Ganesha. This is also something spiritual to them.

You can be right, different people with different culture and spirituality.

tintingz:
Is a fairyland part of an alternative reality?

Fairytale is what you cannot prove to have happened. I have given you many personal and non-personal instances which validated the existence of the supernatural, it is left for you to do your independent research and drop that philosophy text which does not fully explain the complexities of life and human's spiritual nature.

tintingz:
I've never met my great grandfather, he died long time ago, my father may have prove but I don't need it anyway, I've seen his picture and he's just like my father. Secondly, I've uncles and aunties who are siblings to my father so that's another strong evidence, thirdly I know my hometown.

But in all I know is I've a biological great grandfather whether he's the one I'm told of or not is irrelevant to me.

So you want me to take you story as fact right?

I am only 'judging' you by your own standard of 'seeing is believing'. You use a circumstantial evidence to proof that a man in a picture is your great grand father but you are hear asking us to provide 'evidence and logic' for all our claims before you can believe. Provide a foolproof physical and logical evidence that the man your dad supposedly said was your great grand father was actually the true one. What if he lied to you? What if the picture was that of a wrong person, a case of conflicting identity? Do you have any hard and physical evidence to valid your dad's claim? No you dont. Thats the exact standard you create when you asked for physical and logical evidence on certain issue.

tintingz:
Ok, can you take me to the herbalist, I will have to take him to generate hospital to cure people, we will make alot of money.

We are not hear to play bro. Making a phony request does not make sense and will lead nowhere. If you are damn serious kindly provide you contact details.

tintingz:
Then this spirituality is useless if it doesn't involve surgery.

Only in your myopic world where alternatives does not exist.

tintingz:
The healing care in the past are very limited, most are base on ignorance and superstitions. For example"abiku" is seen as a curse in the past which is not.

You are bringing in unrelated point to buttress a weak argument.

tintingz:
Alchemy, herbs is the old way of healing now we have chemistry, modern medicine that have been proven to be very useful in human civilization.

99% of the extract used in 'modern medicine' are from herbs; the difference is 'packaging'. At least you appreciate the importance and contribution of Herbs and alchemy in medicine and healing.

tintingz:
Ask yourself, between modern medicine and spirituality healing which is effective?

They are both effective. I have never been to the hospital this year but I take 'agbo jedi' almost every 2 weeks and it work wonders on my body system.

tintingz:
I thought prayers answers everything?

You don't believe in the supernatural so it is useless treating this request.

tintingz:
How do we know it's not the medical treatment that heal someone while they also prayer? How can we know which worked?

We know because the latter (the sacrifice) worked when the former (modern medicine) failed to produce the expected result.

tintingz:
Until there is a praying healing center where no medical treatment is involve, and we see good results regularly and it is been critically investigated then I can believe prayers or spirituality can heal.

It is only in your abstract community that we will have only spiritual healing home without any hospital. I don't treat a hypothetical situation as a reality.

tintingz:
Whatever claim that violate logic is fallacious.

1. Without logic anybody can make any fallacious claims and say it's the true but with logic we can deduce an argument. You need to understand what logic is.

2. We need evidence to back up your claims, anybody can make up fairytales. If you don't have evidence just tell us you don't know or your claims are assumptions.

Logic is subjective. What you take as a logic may be foolishness to another person. It all depend on your worldview.

tintingz:
We have philosophers in Africa.

You don't follow any African philosophy based based on 'Kemetics' but an academic philosophy developed by the whites. You philosophy starts and ends in your school as a course of study.

tintingz:
Philosophy started in Greek because they have elites who became sceptics, their philosophical argument has been proven to be valid throughout history till date. Like I said they also once believed In spirituality.

This is what you are told in school. Between the old Egyptian kemetic philosophy and the Greek philosphy which one one is older. Which came first, the Egyptian Alexandrian philosophy or the Greek philosophy. The book you read on philosophy is designed to make you see thing using the lens of the Europeans who wrote many books you read on philosophy.

tintingz:
Something must start somewhere.

Yes, but open your mind to alternative realities; don't be too dogmatic in your 'atheistic' fantasy.

tintingz:
Did I say atheism is modern?

You remotely made that assertion.

tintingz:
Yes, there are whites that are still spiritual but they don't use this to advance their country.

You are gradually shifting the goal post.

tintingz:
I exist I must have a biological paternal great grandfather whether the one I was told or not. I wonder why this is even an argument.

Of course we all have great grand fathers but my question is that how do you confirm if the man who you are told is your great great father is actually the one since you do not have any physical or scientific evidence to valid that claim.

tintingz:
Your dreams are your imaginations that's in your head, I don't need evidence of your dream but if you have evidence for your imaginations then present it. There's nothing wrong with this.

Dreams are complex 'pseudo-normal' activity that takes place in ones sub-concious mind (world), especially while sleeping. Dreams also have spiritual dimension because man can recive warning and advise via dreams. My late mum had appeared, in my dreams so many times, to give me advise. Of course it will only be foolish for one to ask me the video evidence of my conversation in the dream, as a proof and I wont be shocked if an atheist ask me of such.

tintingz:
Then you don't have to fill this gap with mumbo jumbo. If you don't know something just say you don't know than making some claims you can't even prove.

I don't claim I know everything but a truly ignorant man will claim to know all. Life is however more complex than 'seeing is believing'.

tintingz:
I will agree if you say it's just an assumption but claiming something is fact or exist without any prove is nonsensical.

Can you see energy? No. Does energy exist? Yes. The first law of thermodynamic says 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another'. If energy cannot be seen why do science still claim that it existed? If you believe in modern science, vis-a-vis energy, you should also believe that there are many things that existed but not visible to the naked eyes. I however doubt it because you have been 'dogmatised' with atheistic principles which also, in a way, avoid rationality that does not fit into their myopic worldview.

tintingz:
Lol, are you saying snakes are not trained?

Who trained all the snakes and pythons in Anambra state? Have snakes sudden become human in order to make your delusion acceptable?

tintingz:
Ok, in Pokémon, monsters are friends with humans.

This is nonsense. Explained how a wild python is not dangerous to people of Anambra state, but a human and ecological threat to the people of Florida and its ecosystem.

tintingz:
In india, elephants are their best friend.

You brought up an unrelated example to solidify your fallacy. I talking about wild a wild animal that have a spiritual significance in the local community which physically and spiritually share common space with human. Python in that community in Anambra are not trained/domesticated but are regarded as part and parcel of their community. You cannot know better than inhabitants where these experienced is paramount till date. It is arrogance to think otherwise.

tintingz:
Please if you have a logical argument kindly present them.

You are the one embedded into your 'superior' dogma who sees no reason in alternative realities.

tintingz:
This is argument from Ignorance, because this can't be explain therefore it's this. This is a fallacious argument.

You cannot, logically prove that the man who your are told is your great grand father is actually your great grand father. You accept it as a fact because you are told and your have no any single evidence to confirm whether it is true or false.

tintingz:
So what if the medical treatment he has been receiving was the one that healed him but coincidentally give the credit to some mumbo jumbo?

You speak out of ignorance; you cant know better than the victim. I must not put everything into writing before you can understand a simple fact. My assumption is that you are brighter than this.

tintingz:
If this "ebo"(sacrifice) is really working why is it not used in the medical field? Can this ebo used for surgery and many other critical health issues? Can it be used to know a disease or virus? Or why is Africa still having issues with health problems? When you reflect on this then you know how useless your claim is.

You speak like an ignorant man here. Each 'medical' field had their whims and caprices. Spiritual healing did not involve surgery and cutting of blood. Thousands of years before the advent of modern medicine, Africans have been taking care of their medical need. Stop talking as if africans have not any form of medical treatment before the coming of the whites. This is a very ignorant statement and the discovery of virus, for medical purpose, is a modern medical phenomenon and were never available some 150-200 years back.

tintingz:
And don't think I haven't experienced an illness before, there was an illness I had we prayed and do sort of mumbo jumbo and guess what nothing happened until I was medically treated.

It is only an ignorant man that will not seek medical treatment and will only resort to prayer. Both are symbiotic, where orthodox medicine fails, people go for spiritual healing and some get result. Many people had equally died while seeking modern medical help, does this make medical treatment inefficient? No.

tintingz:
No one is immune to illness.

That true.

tintingz:
Another fallacious argument.

Whatever you dont agree with automatically becomes a fallacious argument. This is not an honest way of making a rational argument. Making a point is not ependent on sharp phrases learnt in school. A good academic should think independently outside the four walls of the school. While you accused others of being dogmatic, you subtly wallow in complete dogma furnished with atheism and new age enlightenment. You never think independently but depended on what you heard and read from like mind.

tintingz:
Philosophy is not attached to any race nor tribe, philosophy is seeking knowledge through reasoning, argument, logic, research etc.

Provide me a single philosophical 'theorem' founded and propounded by a blackman. Give me a single evidence that your current so-called 'philosophical' knowledge has a root your immediate environment.

tintingz:
The white man you're talking about were also very spiritual in the past, they believe in all sort of magic and superstitions, sacrifices to the gods, these things didn't work nor make them move forward. Kindly read about the Greek philosophy.

The white are still spiritual today; atheism is also as old as the white man had existed. So stop thinking as if atheism is a modern phenomenon. The white, till date, still perform ritual and sacrifices, so what is your point exactly?

tintingz:
Nope I'm not always 100% correct, I work with evidence and logic. If you can't provide this you're just wallowing in assumptions.

What evidence do you have that your paternal great grand father is actually your paternal great grand father aside from what you are being told? What logic can you use to deduce this claim? If I tell you I had a dream last night that I bought a car, what physical evidence do I need to produce to actually confirmed that dream? I should visit a car shop and buy one to make my dream believable?

My point is this, for the fact that we are ignorant of certain things do not make it false or 'superstition'. For the fact that we do not believe or know a thing does not mean it never existed. Snakes are known to be dangerous to man but there a certain communities where snakes are friends to man, somewhere in Anambra state Nigeria. In this part of Nigerian community, snakes and man live in compete harmony for centuries and generations without any known incident. In our natural laws of habitat, snakes and man are meant to live wide apart to avoid any bad incident. What could have happened to make this strange habitat law possible in one community but dangerous in another community? This is where the power of the supernatural and the cosmic forces come to play.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/anambra-town-man-pythons-harmony/
https://www.yabaleftonline.ng/inside-anambra-town-human-beings-huge-pythons/

How can one possibly explain the positive social relationship between a snake and a man? How can the Burmese and the Florida python be so dangerous to man and the ecosystem but the Anambra python a complete opposite? This is the difference in the cosmic forces that control the spiritual activities in both places that you failed to appreciate. There are things that are can not be explained by mere human observation, logic or scientific experiment, the 3 fundamental tools atheist used in doing their appraisal and conclusion.

tintingz:
First, every phenomena that occur in this natural world is natural, it's either not yet understood or unknown. There are many phenomena tagged supernatural in the past and now discover it to be natural.

Secondly, generational curses or karma cannot work in an imperfect world, no humans is perfect therefore every human must have done something wrong in their life time and if this is so, humans should be extinct by now or better still there won't be bad things again.

Thirdly, there are no evidence that connects this generational curses or karma, because I'm sick doesn't mean I must have done something wrong to someone or I'm cursed, you can't prove the connection, people only fantasize this with their confirmation bias, an opium they wish for. The fallacy for this is a post hoc fallacy.

Karma or generational curse will make sense if we're in a perfect world. Unfortunately bad people suffer and good people enjoy, no one is immune to this experience.

If your argument is from an atheist point of view then your assertions can be understood because atheists do not believe in the spiritual or cosmic forces. If you are a Yoruba man, you might have a bit knowledge of Yoruba tradition which entails carrying sacrifices in the middle of the night to appease the 'gods'. I have a neighbor whose son was sick, almost to death, and the man was given all manners of treatment all to know avail. The woman was later advised, by a native doctor, to do midnight sacrifice for her son. The woman did it and the next day the son became healthy and all the skin rashes disappeared. This phenomenon can never be explained by science and has nothing to do with superstition but spiritual. It is what I saw with my own eyes. The problem most 'African atheist' have is that their atheistic argument is still attached to the 'whiteman' argument or social philosophy and it always sound very ridiculous to me when you guys try form 'atheist' in order to discredit spiritual realities. There is no any atheistic philosophy or 'theories' that are home grown, or traditionally African atheistic philosophy. Most Africans discrediting spiritual realities based their argument on what are being taught by the whites, which, in most cases, are still subjective and are never a general rule in terms of socio-spiritual realities (even in their homeland).