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Demmzy15:
Biblical Jesus is a terrorist, I'm in my house come and beat me.

Do not say this in Pakistan or else you will be arrested. O won't arrest you because you have thought and religious freedom, the same way I do. Happy Sunday and remember to go to church today and insha Allah, God wiill bless you.

Rashduct4luv:
Since the advent of Islam, as the final and all-compassing Message to mankind up to the moment, its adversaries left no opportunity to thwart it and curb its followers. Right from day one, they did their level best to kill it in the bud using different ways.

Due to the fact that this new religion holds all people equal in terms of rights, duties, human value, etc, regardless of their ethnic, social or economic backgrounds, the rich and leading figures in Makkah, fearing lest they would lose their prestige and wealth, stood adamantly in the face of the then nascent Message. They tried to put different kinds of obstacles to hinder the spread of Islam, in feverish attempts to maintain their positions and prevent any sort of threat to their interests.

In their war against Islam, they tried many kinds of weapons: bodily torture, economic sanctions, false propaganda, and financial seduction, none of which was of any fruit.

With the Help of Allah, the Most Exalted, then the will, patience and perseverance of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) and his faithful companions, may Allah be pleased with them, Islam could successfully pass all those hard tests. It survived all the hardships and expanded its span to include not only the Arabian Peninsula, rather spacious lands outside it.

By the tenth century, Islam became the main religion, or at least, the religion of the majority of nations in an area covering more than half of the civilized world stretching over three continents from the Pyrenees and Siberia in West and North Europe to the farthest end of Asia, up to China and New Guinea in the East; from Morocco in North Africa to the southern tip of Africa, covering two-thirds of the African continent.

It is one of the most striking facts of human history that the spread of Islam over such a vast area took place within three centuries. Most striking of all, within half a century after the Hijrah (Prophet Muhammad's sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) Migration from Makkah to Al-Madeenah), Islam had already conquered the whole of North Africa from Egypt to Morocco, all the Middle Eastern lands from Yemen to Caucasia and from Egypt to the lands beyond Transoxiana (portion of Central Asia corresponding approximately with modern-day Uzbekistan and southwest Kazakhstan).

What makes Islam spread?
There are many reasons why nations have been, from past to the present, so ready to embrace Islam, what is pointed out by Muhammad Asad, a Jewish convert to Islam, probably being the foremost:
“Islam appears to me like a perfect work of architecture. All its parts are harmoniously conceived to complement and support each other, nothing lacking, with the result of an absolute balance and solid composure. Everything in the teaching and postulate of Islam is in its proper place.” [Islam at the Crossroads, p.5]

Most of Western writers, especially those under the influence of the Church, have never failed to accuse Islam of spreading by the sword. The causes of this prejudice lie mainly in the fact that the spread of Islam has often occurred at the expense of Christianity. While Islam has, for centuries, obtained numerous conversions from Christianity without much effort or organized missionary activities, Christianity has almost never been able to achieve conversions from Islam in spite of sophisticated means and well-organized missionary activities, and it has always been at a disadvantage in its competition with Islam for fourteen centuries.

This has caused its missionaries and most of the orientalists to develop a complex within themselves by depicting Islam and introducing it as a regressive, vulgar religion of savage people.

If history is to be read with an objective eye, such allegations will easily be debunked.

In addition to many other reasons which are responsible for the spread of Islam, it is the exemplary life-style and unceasing efforts of individual Muslims to transmit the message of Islam throughout the world which lie at the root of the conquest of the hearts by Islam. Islamic universalism is closely associated with the principle of 'enjoining the good' for Islam is to be spread by Muslims by means of this principle. This principle seeks to convey the message of Islam to all human beings in the world and to establish a model Islamic community on a world-wide basis.

Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have increased by over 235% in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6 billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 %... Islam is the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA.

The following statistics show the growth of Islam in the world from (1989-1998):

North America: (25%)
Africa: (2.15%)
Asia: (12.57%)
Europe: (142.35%)
Latin America: (4.73%)
Australia: (257.01%)

Western fierce media campaign against Islam and Muslims escalated after the 11th of September attacks. Biased media, especially in the USA, rushed into a feverish contest to depict Islam as a religion based on savagery, intolerance and blood-thirst.

Not only in the media were Muslims harassed in the United States of America, Britain, Australia, and other European countries; rather, they were physically attacked at their homes, in the streets, in public places, and in their Mosques, Islamic centers, etc. The same attitude was, unfortunately, maintained toward the Noble Prophet of Islam sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) and the Noble Quran.

Islamophobia reached its peak when a Danish newspaper published heinous caricatures picturing the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) as a terrorist. The noble Quran was also desecrated in the US and some other countries, which indicates the deep hatred towards Islam and Muslims.

There have been many rigid regulations and extremist procedures enacted against Muslims in the US and some European countries, on the pretext of their "war on terror". Many Muslim students were banned from completing their studies, many families expatriated, Islamic activities limited or stopped, Muslim men and women subjected to sophisticated checking and screening procedures in airports, women with hijab and men with beards mocked or harassed, etc. In brief, a Muslim has become for them a word synonymous to “suspect”.

Nonetheless, even after the events of September, a wave of new Muslims embraced Islam all over the world. In the USA alone, more than 30000 persons embraced Islam.

By the year 2020, Islam is projected to be the largest religion in the world.

To sum up, in spite of all the feverish attempts on the part of the adversaries of Islam, old and new, Islam is still sweeping the globe easily and peacefully, thus conquering and illuminating the minds and hearts, no matter how hard and intricate their conspiracies are. Allah, the Most Glorious, Says in the Quran (what means): “It is He (Allah) Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.” [Quran 9: 33]

Source [url=hhttps://library.islamweb.net/en/article/137596/despite-obstacles-islam-continues-to-spread]Islamweb[/url]

Sorry bro, the growth of Islam in Europe is 90% as a result of hijra, migration, from Muslim countries to non-muslim countries. Between 1970 and 2019, there is over 10000% increase in migration of Muslims from the Arab and South east Asian world to Europe and these migrants come with their culture.

The second and the third generation migrants, in most cases, retain the religion of their ancestors which is Islam. And since life in Europe and American is easier than life in the Muslim world, most Muslim do not have problems maintaining a very large family; the state welfare system (now the modern jizya) will always pay their bills. Hundreds of thousands of muslim Turkish citizens living in Germany do not like to work because the German government will always pay them free money (jizya) every month as welfare.

If you can colllect free money as the best of mankind (the ummah) from the kafir ((the worst of creatures), why won't you migrate to their lands? So the 'growth' has nothing to do with conversation, though a very very insignificant number of natives do convert and most later leave, but it all has to do with Muslim migration to non-muslim lands where there is religious freedom (no religious freedom in many Muslim lands).

abdullahi45:
May ALLAH safeguard us all from your evils. It is apparent that you have made profanation your chosen field. May we be saved from your bigots, hates and falsehood. Aameen

Sir, mention a single evil I committed. Has quoting the Quran and the hadith, and explaining it to people, becomes an evil. In all my engagement on Nairaland, I have always quoted Muslim sources before making my argument on it and how does that become evil? I am student of comparative religion and so you must expect me to debate Muslims any day and anytime; it is a past time hobby to me. I have no single Muslim enemy and as a matter of fact my best friend is a Muslim (with all honesty) and I will never ask him to leave Islam. I am more comfortable debating Muslims online because the risk is very minimal and I believe some people may leave Islam after our engagements. Don't see me as an intellectual bully the same way many Muslims see me on and offline. I am a simple man by nature.

Asalam alekum!

Rashduct4luv:
The person was not talking to you and yet you replied. It is poor etiquette replying to someone who was not referring to you. This shows who is truly frustrated. Educate yourself first. Nemo dat quod non habet.

Chest beating + Arrogance + Ignorance.

I can quote anybody as long as I don't break Nairaland rules. Where is it written that I must not quote certain people? Are you still having a hangover for the disappointment you had when your childish request was not granted? I am a teacher and will continue to teach you insha Allah.

Rashduct4luv:
The real enemies of Christians are the DDs who selectively translated the Bible...

Even now. Christians are fighting on the version of Bible that is better. Which version is yours?

Welcome back bro, I thought you went AWOL because your request was not granted.

iamgenius:
The major problem in Christianity is Paul the Antichrist. If you kill Paul verbally and mentally, then Christianity is dead.

It is quite unfortunate that allah, with all his knowledge, never spoke about Paul (PBUH) or confirmed his existence. Uncle Mohammed never talked about bro Paul (PBUH) but muslims will never let Paul (PBUH) rest. 'Wetin Paul (PBUH) do una sef?' Can you show me an ayah, a hadith or a sirah that talked about Paul (PBUH)? Why are muslims fighting Paul (PBUH) while mohammed never did?

Dgr8hassiE:
@Rashduct4luv may almighty Allah Bless and guide you in the right path for educating this clueless and arrogant Mofo @True2god

Take it easy bro, life is too short for unnecessary hate. Rashduct4luv is frustrated that his childish request was not granted. I feel his pain and I also understand your attempt to boost his morale. I am a veteran on Nairaland and insha allah, I will continue educating muslims and non-muslims on Nairaland.

AbdulHakeem44:
OK sir, is that all? Can we go now

The major problem in Islam is the hadith. I want you to know and acknowledge this fact.

iamgenius:
Hypocrite. Later, you'll be claiming some knowledge in history. Shioor

I am not talking about history here but contemporary events. The US is the major power that keep the Arabs in the gulf from fighting off each other. Crisis in the Arab world will lead to an increase in global oil price and the western powers do not want that. Saudi Arabia and Iran have a fragile peace because of the anglo-american military presence in that region. The arabs have never been peaceful from time 'Imo river' (immemorial).

sagenaija:
Haf’s Koran is accepted by millions of Moslems today. Yet because the man was said to be of questionable character HIS HADITH IS REJECTED. How do you reconcile that?

Tradition has it that Haf, the man whose quranic recitation method is accepted by over 85% of Muslims worldwide, had a questionable character and his hadith compilations was rejected as completely false. How come his rendition of the Koran is accepted while all his hadith was rejected? Islam can be really weird at times.

TheExecutioner:
The research on Hadiths has already been done by people like Al Bukhari many centuries ago and they were obtained directly from the mouths of Muhammad's Sahabas (his companions)
Al Nawawhi isn't even ranked as highly as Bukhari or Muslim, because both Bukhari and Muslim only contain authentic (Sahih) hadiths.

The bolded is a lie; Imam Bukhari did not meet any of the sahabas. Sahih Bukhari was compiled about 250-300 years after the death of the Islamic prophet. Do you want to tell us that any of the sahabas lives for more than 200 years?

AbdulHakeem44:
Enemies of Islam everywhere. Where person wan start with for this one now. May ALLāh guide you to pristine Islam.

The real enemies of Islam are Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim; they wrote many nasty things against your prophet, most of which are very true (sahih).

tintingz:
Following.

Watching, will respond later.

Poshguy2:
He was never named Jesus. Jesus is the English version of his Hebrew (or Aramaic) name which sounded like ishaw.

I think it is YESHUA.

Demmzy15:
Guy no one is talking about Ishmael, but sex virgins according to your Bible. Mind you, Moses and his men got some virgins too which of course we're sex slaves, but I'll let that slide.

Can you give me evidences from the Bible because last time I checked, the Levi got their own share. And wouldn't it be odd that no Israeli woman could serve the Temple except for women whose family have been butchered. Quite ironic

You are right, I think I now understand where the apostle of allah got his revelation from (quran 4:24, sunnah Abu Dawood 2150). He was actually copying the biblical moses in taking self slaves. Am I right?

(sunnah Abu Dawood 2150)
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]

Demmzy15:
Ok, I pray you are alive to witness it

I will be alive and no Khalifa will rule again and no free money (Jizya) will be given to the ummah again. 'Kole werk'!

iamgenius:
Some Muslims and their countries could be weak, but surely Islam won't be weak that's the fact. I wish we both witness that event.

Stop dreaming bro, the western kafir are even the one maintaining peace in the Arabian gulf. Without the western kafir the ummah, as usual, would have been fighting themselves. The Arabs are typically trouble-makers who will always go after each other's throat over a common hadith (religious gossip) which they are not even sure how true it is. The time of the Caliph has expired and no one can resurrect it.

Rashduct4luv:
Someone who is fond of spreading lies is a liar. Then your claim to hate Islam makes you an Islamophobe. Your unrelenting claim that the Saudi controls when we start and end Ramadan is a lie. Your claim that Christians are permitted to marry Muslims while Muslims permits only their males to marry a Christian is a lie.........

I think is is high time you created your own website so that you can do as you wish. I don't like Islamic ideology (the same way you don't like some christian beliefs and ideologies) but I love Muslims because we are all human and I have so many Muslim friends. You can blackmail me as much as you can but you can't change my position on this. And remember, I have right to my personal opinion and you have no right to censor my free thought.

Rashduct4luv:
I am being a man by going against falsehood and i will keep mentioning you both till the mods hear!. Stop peddling lies. No one who practices deceit/ keep telling lies should be here.

Which lies are you talking about? Do you have sense at all; or you a kid behind a keyboard?

Rashduct4luv:
No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes. Psalm 101:7

Another blackmail. If you cant handle a dissent belief please go away.

Rashduct4luv:
Lalasticlala, Seun, Sissie, Mukina2, I will like you to please review the activities of Ekunkekere and True2god on this section. They are Christians peddling lies on this section. You can test this by simply checking their posts for the last one one month.

Which activity are you talking about? We are debating each other and it is left for you to articulate your points logically instead of trying to silence us. You seem to have the problem of insecurity. Face me intellectually bro. I have not broken any of Nairaland rule and I have never cursed or abused anyone. Be a man!

EkunKekere:
When they can't use logic or facts they try to get people banned.

Don't mind them, they want to turn nairaland to saudiland. They do not want their opinion or religion to be challenged. Always attempting to enforce the sharia law wherever they are.

Demmzy15:
LMAO Have you heard of the battle of yarmouk? Where the Christian army ate dust? Don't worry, it's coming and I hope we're both alive to witness it.

Nothing will happen again bro; no battle of yarmouk will repeat itself. If that is what you are told please stop waiting, it wont happen. All muslim countries are weak and will continue to be weak till thy kingdom come.

Demmzy15:
That Jizyah you're running from, you must pay it. In fact, I'll be the person to supervise the Jizyah in case you want to use Igbo sense

No one is paying any fucking Jiya again. Which army or police do you want to use to enforce the collection? Even LASTMA and Lekki Toll Gate collection is now more feasible than jizya. As I said earlier, quran 9:29 had already expired after the fall of the Othoman empire. Stop day-dreaming bro! Wake up!

Rashduct4luv:
He is a Christian who claims to like Muslims but hate Islam.

I know you like Christians but hate their trinity.

Rashduct4luv:
Each country follows their moon sighting. And this is in line with our texts.

Bukhari and Muslim reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibnu Omar (may Allah be pleased with them) that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم mentioned Ramadhan and said: “Do not fast till you see the new moon, and do not break fast till you see it; but if the weather is cloudy complete it (thirty days).”

This hadith is narrated on the authority of 'Ubaidullah with the same chain of transmitters, and he said: If (the sky) is cloudy for you, then calculate thirty days (for the month of Ramadan). Muslim 2635

“They ask you about the crescents. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in the affairs of men and for pilgrimage.” [Al Baqarah, 2:189]

“Whoever witnesses the crescent of the month, he must fast the month.” [Al Baqarah, 2:185]

Where is Saudi mentioned here?

There is no country called saudi arabia during the time of mohammed. Modern saudi arabia is a British invention that made the Al-saud family the traditional ruler of modern saudi arabia and it is their family name (the Al-saud) that is used to name the country. Notice that the audience that mohammed was talking to are all quaresh; they are not Pakistanis or Yorubas. And to continue with the tradition, saudi arabia still retain the soverign right for when the ramadan starts and ends. I never say other people dont sight the moon but they retain the official 'spokesperson' for the exercise. You can argue as much as you like.

Rashduct4luv:
See this Ignoramus again. The end and start of Ramadan was announced by the Sultaan as the head of the NSCIA.

See links below:

Link 1 https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/333095-end-of-ramadan-2019-sultan-asks-nigerian-muslims-to-look-out-for-new-moon.html

Link 2 https://www.thecable.ng/just-in-moon-sighted-as-sultan-set-to-declare-tuesday-eid-el-fitr

Link 3 https://punchng.com/breaking-sultan-declares-tuesday-eid-el-fitr-day/

Link 4 https://www.nscia.com.ng/index.php/news-room/75-ramadan-why-moon-sighting-announcement-was-delayed-sultan

Of course you cannot expect the sultan to stand on the roof of his house looking for the new moon. He will delegate trusted people to do that and give him a feedback. The buttomline remains that his office, in Nigeria, is the only office that can determine when ramadam starts and ends. He will however still subject his decision based on the information he gets from saudi arabia. There is a high level diplomatic communication here between the two countries. You cannot expect the sultan to get confirmation form Iran on this, will you?

Rashduct4luv:
Let the mods come and judge who is peddling lies. You are not mistaken anymore. You are a full blown arrogant ignoramus. If what you claim is wrong then you should be banned for a month. If i am found wrong then i should be banned too. You are spreading falsehood about Islam. You are Islamophobic. The evidences are clear above. Sissie, Mukina2, Lalasticlala, Seun

Stop being childish bro. If you cannot engage in an intellectual conversation you better keep quiet and stop behaving like a kid who always call his mother anytime his mate beats him. Be a man!

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCt_iTygvc

Summarize please; the network is not stable here. I cant watch youtube now.

Empiree:
PROPAGANDA!!! How does this correlate with tafsir and tawil?

How was my post a propaganda? It is a known fact that various Islamic sect fight each other over the interpretation of the verses of the quran. Aside from the basic 5-pillars, there are hundreds of other teachings which muslims do not agree with each other on and often settle the differences with sword. In Pakistan, the Ahmadiyyas are not even considred muslims and are often hunted. See link below?

https://www.ucanews.com/news/ahmadis-made-to-feel-like-outlaws-in-pakistan/84586
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-religion/pakistans-ahmadi-community-releases-damning-persecution-report-idUSKBN1HZ06R

Empiree:
No evidence.. Just talk talk and talk. Show us which muslim sect that doesn't believe in shahadah, salat, Ramadan, zakat, Hajj?. If you can not point it out we are wasting out time here.

I never said there are muslim sect that does not believe in the 5-pillars of Islam. I asked you to show me where the 5-pillars are clearly written in the quran and also show me the word 'shahada' in the quran and where allah advocated for a shahada before one can become a muslim. I have told you earlier, you cannot bear witness for/to someone you never knew or met. Again my argument remains that there are many religious disagreement among the muslim communities that are often settled in the battle field.

Empiree:
I regret responding to you to begin with. You are not saying anything.

Maybe you read my response over and over again to get one or two things.

Empiree:
only sensible thing you ever said. Yes, if a Muslim denies zakat or Hajj, this is major disbelief. If he believes them but doesn't have capacity or means to fullfil them that's a different story.

Of course we know the consequence of willfully refusing to pay the zakat in an islamic state. Abu Bakr enforced it via war after the death of rasool.

Empiree:
i have told you that 73 sect Hadith is subjective to tafsir. Some muslims take the Hadith face value but this is wrong. Islam is one. No Muslim sect deny obligatory practices in Islam. This Hadith you are trying to scheme is only telling Muslims to avoid sectarianism. If you insist this Hadith enforces Muslims breakups into 73, then, what do you think of this Qur'anic Ayah which enforces unity
Sura Al-Imran verse 103?.

This Hadith forbids sects or factions. Help is ooo

You prohet was very clear in the hadith, which was graded sahih, that Islam will break into 73 sect and only one sect will be on the right path. All the 73 sect might still belief in the 5-pillars but their doctrines and beliefs will surely differ which will make all of them drift into apostasy except one. I am not tying to scheme any hadith; I didnt compile the hadith. Both Abu Dawood and Al-tirmidi recorded the narration which made it sahih. You may not like it but it will be intellectually dishnest for you to claim to love and follow the rasool but at the same time deny his words in the hadith as a 'fabrication' because it doesn't suit your narrative. And I said earlier, using mathematical probability based on the saying of your prophet, the tendency that you are a true Muslim is 1/73 or less than 1.4%, since Islam will break into 73 sect and only one sect will be on the right track.

Demmzy15:
Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Jesus is a terrorist, rapist and a bandit. Look at the command he gave Moses, another terrorist psychopath!

You are committing shirk by calling Jesus (PBUH) a terrorist. Jesus, unlike the rasool, never commanded banditry or advocated such. Moses, Israel and their neighbors were at war, and as a man I wont approve of what Moses did. Muslims will never condemn what mohammed, the rasool of allah, did.

Rashduct4luv:
Abeg stop this escalated show of ignorance. The Appearance of the new moon or complete counting of the month is responsible for when Ramadan starts and ends. Tired of this your ignorance + chest beating arrogance especially on my threads. Sissy please help us ban this guy for just a week.

The saudi authorities must sanction the start of ramadan before it can be announced globally. Dont pretend as if you dont know, I am old enough to have seen this happened for so many years.

Rashduct4luv:
Anyone can be the mouth piece for Islam in as much as the methodology is in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah. Moreover the Sultaan is the President-General of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (NSCIA). So he is in charge of announcing whenever the new moon becomes visible or otherwise. So will you stop dabbling into matters that does not concern you? Stop being economical with the truth.

Here is NSCIA website for your perusal https://www.nscia.com.ng/

Anyone cannot be mouthpiece of Islam. Nigerian Imam cannot announce the end of ramadan but saudi imam can and always; it is their reserved right an d their religion. You only borrowed it ignorantly.

Rashduct4luv:
Sissie, Lalasticlala, Mukina2 please help us ban this true2god before his Islamophobia gets super out of hands.

You are a coward for attempting to stifle a free speech. Has nairaland become saudiland where anyone who do not agree with the wahabi Islam will be jailed? If you cannot handle criticism you can as well de-activate your account from nairaland. Stop being too emotional and stop soliciting authorities for an assistance to do your dirty bid. Be a man and face me intellectually.

Demmzy15:
I have Christians as friends but I cannot be a friend to you if I know the person behind this account. And as for Qur'an 9:29, maybe in the future when there's a Muslim army and your land is conquered, you'll have to pay the Jizyah. And I'll personally make sure you pay!

Funny enough both of us can even be in the same compound or office typing this stuffs. If we see each other by coincidence, we will only laugh over it; no love lost. There is no any future that will make Islamic army a world power; so stop dreaming about collecting jizya from me, 'kole werk'. You better go get a job and never dream of collecting free money, like an 'agbero', in the name of jizya. The Caliphs of the past did it when people were asleep, if they try it today they will be seriously flogged. That quranic verse (quran 9:29) has expired.

Empiree:
First all, get your fact right. Tafsir(explanation of the meaning of Quran). Tawil(interpretation of the meaning of Qur'an). There is different btw the two.

Example of tasfir, if I suddenly hit a car in front of me and the victim calls the police, police come and I will try to explain what and how it happened.

Example of Tawil, if I say he "kicks the bucket". I will now interpret what that means. Neither tasfir not tawil changes the text of the Qur'an. Muslims don't have to agree with xyz tafsir of Ayah. There may be others credible explanations. Then you pick whichever is close to the meaning of Qur'an. But to reject the Ayah itself is another thing entirely.

This is a suggestion and not a classical way of interpreting the koran. Most of the ayah in the koran will make no sense without the hadith and when two contradictory hadith are used to interpret a single ayah, then there a problem. You can't just brush aside a serious flaw in Islam as 'nothing' knowing fully well that this singular variation can make 2 muslims go after each other's throat, especially in the Arab world. Most of the religious violence in the middlle east has to do with variance in the interpretation of the quran; and this interprattion also has to what with what the hadith (what I personally call 'gossips') says or did not say.

Empiree:
this is Creed not tafsir or Tawil. This is rejection of certain portion of the Bible. Anyone who rejects certain portion of Quran is a disbeliever.

Creed or no creed, muslims call one other hypocrites for disagreeing with a portion of the quran, based on the hadith used, and often kill each other for that. For the fact that this is not common in Yorubaland does not mean it doesnt happen almost daily in the arab world. If a JW disagree with the mainstream christian creed his life is still safe but an Ahmadiya will lose his life for same reason in Pakistan.

Empiree:
this is flaw with Christianity. If a Christian sect rejects mainstream Creed like Sonship or divinity of Jesus it means they don't believe that aspect. Therefore, we look into why they reject that. If their argument is based on 'Bible doesn't say that' while other CHRISTIANs believe that then, Bible is the problem.

Islamic creed is nowhere found in the quran (you can show me the ayah where the creeds are clearly written). Creeds are mostly religious traditions which serves as the official doctrinal position. Of course there is nowhere you can see the word 'shahada' in the quran. It was a later incorporation to standardize Islamic beliefs. However the good thingis that you cannot see any christian killing a JW for disagreeing with the mainstream christian doctrine (what you call creed) but I can give you many examples where muslims fight and kill each other over doctrinal differences.

Empiree:
no sects in Islam reject major Creed. Where differences lie are non paradise threatening issues. 73 sects Hadith is subjective to tafsir.

What do you mean by 'non paradise threatening issues'? Are you saying the hajj, zakat and shahada are paradise threatening issues? Do you mean if a muslim refuse to pay the zakat and deliberately deny hajj as not going to paradize?

Empiree:
kindly point out which sect of Islam reject

Shahadah

Salat

Ramadan

Zakat

Hajj

If any sect rejected any of these is not in the fold of Islam. These are simple required and obligatory practices that must not be rejected. So which muslim group have you seen rejected these?

I don't get you bro. Are you disputing your prophet? All the 73 sects, as you rightly said, belief in all the 5-pillars (or creeds) of Islam but only 1 is actually following the real sunnah of the prophet. It seems you are confusing yourself or deliberately misrepresenting your prophet who said only 1, out of 73, sects on Islam will be the true one. Going by mathematical probability, according to your prophet, the probability that you are on the right track is 1/73 or 0.0136 or 1.4%. There is no ambiguity at all, the chance that you will make al-janah going by what your prophet said is 1.4% which is too small for someone that strife to go to heaven when he leaves this world.

AbdulHakeem44:
Saudi Arabia or Iran are not the mouthpiece of Islam, correct Islamic leaders are, we are not bounded by region but by guarded knowledge of QUR'AN and sunnah

Stop this misinformation bro; there are cadre in Islam, even here in Nigeria. During ramadan, the saudi authorities are responsible for when ramadan starts and ends. Why not the Pakitstanis, Indians, Nigerians or the sundanese. When it comes to damage control and 'Islamophobia' prapaganda, the Pakistanis and the Indians will suddenly become the mouthpiece for Islam.

Let's come back to the local level, no ramadan starts in Nigeria without the official approval of the sokoto caliphate. Tell me, when did any Yoruba muslim declare ramadan's official commencement and its end. Stop being economical with the truth.

Demmzy15:
He obviously hates me and you because we follow Sunnah

I don't hate you guys; it is an hobby, to me, debating Muslims. I actually enjoyed it. You will be surprised that we can be great friends in real life. You will surely not apply quran 5:51 and quran 9:29 on me.

Rashduct4luv:
I should learn from someone who likes Muslims but hate Islam? Can't you even read the jargon you are typing? Is it not all the lies, false tales & twist of texts you Christians are peddling online about? The wind has blown and the fowl cloaca is exposed.

I love muslims because over 90% don't follow the sunnah.