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hardeytarhyour:
That is Highly Not permissible in Islam for Man to Shake or Even Touch Woman or Vice Versa.....Except Those that You have right to Like Your Wife, Daughter, Sister, Step Sister, And some Member Of your Relative

Over 80% of humanity do not believe or practice Islamic culture and so when you visit a foreign land you adapt to the culture of the host. I cannot go to saudi arabia and you expect me to behaving as if I am in the US. You study the country you want to migrate to and see if it suits your brlief system and not to expect your host to adapt. You cannot visit my house and expect me to adapt to your lifestyle. To hell with the bleeping hadith you quoted to validate your stupidity.

madridguy:
In Islamic culture, women do not shake the hands of men for religious reasons. Instead, they opt to place their hands over their hearts as a form of greeting.

You do not follow Islamic culture but Norwegian culture in Norway. If that is too difficult you can migrate to saudi arabia.

Rashduct4luv:
How did they corrupt it? Did they add any foreign meaning to it? It we will now compare this your corruption to that of your Bible verse of John 1:1 and John 3:16.

I think you will have a lot of explanation to do.

What is the mmaning of 'nur' in arabic? How did Yusuf ali, picktail (and others) translate it and how did sahih international translate in? Why the discrepancy in their translations and who are they trying to cover-up? One of the 99 names of allah is 'nur', why did they translate in as 'derived light' in quran 10:5 instead of 'light'?

[quote author=Empiree post=81630612][/quote]This is bad; it is not good for an adult man to marry an under-aged girl. The picture you posted are people who are not prophet who never called themselves 'the best of mankind'. Your prophet called himself 'the best of mankind' and muslims praised him as 'the greatest of all prophets' and yet he married a girl of 6 years old, baby aisha, and started sleeping with her when she became 9. Your prophet is a bad moral example.

Empiree:
he said Arabs but you said Islam. Don't you think you have mission?

How can you separate Islam from the arabs? It is a religion that originated from them and also shaped according to their environment and culture. And since arabs and mohammed are slave merchant, i will right to link arab slavery with islamic slavery. This is just a common logic.

Empiree:
I know that anytime you speak like this (@bolded), you are pained after watching that clip

Pained? As in seriously? That an ignorant man embraced the religion of an Arab slave merchant? You better be serious.

Empiree:
@underlined, what did White people used?. Check the screenshot. You can see general George Curzon's statements show the same hatred they had then is what you have now. That's the genesis of the current predicament for Muslims. Guess what?. He's burning in hell right now

We don't know much about the past (except what your ha-death said about the black men) but we can say much about today and can project unto the future. As at today the arabs are still the most racist people on earth using the sunnah of the prophet. It is so serious that in one of the hadith it was narrated that anybody that call the prophet a black man should be killed.

Empiree:
You had the guts to post this knowing that you have horror stories of slavery in Old Testament?. Be ashamed of yourself for a second

Which horror story are you talking about that is as worse as your prophet beheaving about 900 Jews of Banu quraiza in a single afternoon.

Zayn04:
Whoever thinks these MAD MAN is a MUSLIM needs to go and see a DOCTOR.

You can read his profile below; he is more Muslim than you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_Tawhidi

Regina Daniel talking about human trafficking when she herself is a victim of human trafficking.

Why is Nairaland allowing pornographic content to be posted without permanently banning the offenders and removing this bad content? Do we still moderators in nairaland?

All these cries will never end and the injustice will never stop. A thief and an oppressor needs a superior force to tame him/her. The hausas and the yorubas are oppressing the rest and will only need a superior armed force to stop them. All what the Igbos are doing is lamentation that will never end unless they rise up, get support of a global power like Russia or Israel, they rest will be history.

No anyone that has an overwhelming advantage that will get go without a fight. That is a simple human principle.

Empiree:
Senseless post

On Islamic oppression of the black race. No matter your level of denial, the truth will continue to be flashed accross your face.

Even your fellow Muslim acknowledged the Arab-Muslim atrocities against the black people for hundreds of years.

Empiree:
did i quote you?. Absolutely not. I simply highlighted your point. Here, watch muslims who agree with you that we should not go to Mecca in Saudi Arabia anymore

https://www.facebook.com/mediamovementforislamiclecturesandevents/videos/521190641949894/?epa=SEARCH_BOX




I will not allow you to shield christianity from slave trade. You can say anything you want. Did White who enslaved the world not believe in Bible?. Did they not believe in Jesus?. Roman existed in the time of Jesus which means slavery was alive and well. Why are you being deceptive?. When you started talking about Arab slavery you made sure you lumped islam into it. Why dont you do the same with your religion?

Yes, Islam thrives under the atmosphere of ignorance and poverty. For an enlightened mind, Islam is a failure upon arrival. I don't have time posting prominent church pastors with Islamic background as this will amount to propaganda. The white and the Arabs enslaved the blacks but the Arabs used Islam and the sunnah as a justification for the 'slave-trading' of blacks.

Empiree:
I repeat, this is red herring. You dont even know what shirk is.

You are correct, the quran is all about red-herring.

Empiree:
See bolded, you just messed up. Again, questions are, did slavery exist before prophet muhammad or not? Did Jews and christians exist before nabi muhammad or not?

Yes, the Jews and the christrinas existed before islam but the Christians and the Jews, unlike the quran/mohammed/allah, did not go about raiding the infidels and turning them to sex slaves and slaves as commanded in the quran (quran 4:24, sunnah abu dawood 2150 , quran 8:1).

Rashduct4luv:
Wait o! Are you a translator or did you study Arabic linguistics? I remembered i told you that a Qur'an verse can be interpreted with another Qur'an verse or with hadith, etc. How is this a superimposition?
Keep searching for ways to discredit Islam. Islam will not change for anyone.

We are not talking about interpretation of the text but translation of the Arabic text into English language. What I am saying is that sahih internation did a dishonest job by translation the word 'nur' (in quran 10:5) as derived light when it simply means light in Arabic. Other translators were honest enough to translate it properly without any misinterpretation or bias. Why did the translators of the quran,especially sahih international edition, corrupt the quran by subtly superimposing a meaning into a quranic text?

Empiree:
Dr. Zakir Naik is a very brilliant man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gImSY8GtCWo

See an opinion on your 'intelligent man'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBxLk5FhhjE

Empiree:
Dr. Zakir Naik is a very brilliant man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gImSY8GtCWo

I have watched this video before. Being brilliant does not mean one cannot be evil. Hitler and Stalin were also very brilliant and the world recorded them as the most ruthless dictators of the 20th century.

Zakir Naik was here defending himself from all the allegation brought against him; he was not on the law court. He should rather go back to his home country, India, and defend himself if he is not a coward. Mohammed was also prosecuted in India (mecca) and he ran to Malaysia (Medina) where he formed a large army and came back to reconquer India (Mecca). Nothing is stoppin Zakir Naik from forming a large army in Malaysia to come back and conquer India and impose Islam on all of them.

najib632:
This statement is the definition of boastful(arrogantly) ignorance, when I say that you're a daft its not an insult it is a fact.

Let's get your contribution and no insults.What do you have to say?

najib632:
true2devil, your hypocrisy will not allow you to see. You're one of the 6 daftest people i have ever encountered, but that does not apply to Empiree. You're just a racist and blind fault finder.

People reading our post will laugh at your arrogance in ignorance.

Empiree:
I'm I surprised?. See how he's defending Hindus as if he believe in them.

Go and read article 370 of India constitution and then return here with your trash

Hindus, muslims, christians, Jews, shintos, Bhudist,etc are all human being irrespective of their religion. The issue is that among all the religions, Islam is the most oppressive one and you know it. I am not a Hindu and never will I but they have right to exist just as all other people has the right to.

Can you explain 'article 370' in summary?

Cheers01:
You are really doing some good work.

This is the first time I have seen Empiree concede to a superior argument. The evidence was too clear.

Empiree could not defend his idol. Zakir Naik messed up.

The guy Empire is pathetic and almost beyond redemption. How can one look away from Muslims' persecution of others and cry over muslims being persecuted; this is ridiculous. When one compares India with Pakistan, India is treating her muslim minority 1000times than Pakistan treating her Hindu or christian minority. We have thousands of muslims in Indian crikets teams, Bollywood movies and in politics. We have almost zero hindu politician in pakistan and no hindu cricket player in pakistani national team. In 1946 the muslims in India said they cannot exist together in an independent india where hindus are the majority hence a separate country was created for Muslims out of India called PAKISTAN (meaning pure land because the muslims consider the hindus as impure). The muslims in india are given free hands to live a normal live while the hindus are exterminated in pakistan. Part of the free hand the hindus gave india muslims gave birth to Zakir Naik who grew up, in India, and started bashing the hindu-majority India 24/7. You can imagine a christian in pakistan bashing the muslims, head will rolls and blood will flow.

Let us come down to Nigeria. The Igbos are calling for an Independet state of Biafra. Let assume that the Igbos are granted Biafra. The Yorubas do not travel to Igbo land but the Igbos will come to Lagos, after being granted Biafra, to bash and insult Yoruba people. What do you think the Yoruba people will do, keep quiet and become 'mumu'? No. They will react. This is exactly what the Hindus are doing right now after over 70 years of tolerance. Muslims should oppressing other people so that no one will have any need to oppress muslims.

Empiree:
No one is above error. I am yet to watch full speech but I did watch short clip a while back where he gave lecture on Chinese govt's treatments of Uighur muslims and persecution of Kashmir by Indian govt, where he alleged that the most persecuted muslims are chinese muslims and he gave his reason. This may be one of reasons that influenced his alleged hate speech. I can sense this on his eyes. I have tremendous respect for Malaysian Dr Mahathir. and i am not gonna fault his position on Dr. Zakir Naik.

Zakir Naik is an intelligent man and he fully knew what he was doing. This is never a case of an error; Zakir Naik didn't commit any error but a clear case of political incitement of the Malay locals against the Chinese and the Indian minority. Zakir Naik was literally asking the Malays to rise against the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia; you don't have to be very intelligent to grasp this simple logic. As for the muslim minority in china, I remembered when Zakir Naik was asked why saudi arabia never allowed even a singe church in saudi arabia. His response was that islam is true and Christianity is false and he supported that saudi policy. This is problematic for someone who is against the treatment of local chinese muslims while at the same time endorsed saudi persecution of religious minorities, apostates and atheist.

Empiree:
However, whether Dr. Zakir Naik was wrong or right on the alleged racial tension, time will tell how Nigerians will react to Chinese taking over Nigeria spaces. We already seeing chinese treating you like trash in your country.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3f4cotrKnQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCk-xhShgEw

On this issue, and on so many issues, Zakir Naik was, and is wrong. You, as an politcal asylum seeker, cannot go to another country and be making a racially insensitive remark, especially by someone like Zakir Naik who has millions of fans and followers worldwide. And as a typical deflector you are, you brougt up the chinese topic on Nigeria's political space. This is complete nonsense. Almost all the Chinese in Nigeria are foreign investors and construction workers. I have many friends with work in Huawei and airtel (both technically managed by the Chinese). The Chinese are the ones constructing your railway from Badagry to CMS (Lagos). I really don't know how far you can go to defend Islam and their apologists.

The inciting and racially-charged Zakir Naik video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6GWGhsXpc

Rashduct4luv:
I am humble.

Qur'an 25:61 Allah says says:

MUHSIN KHAN
Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars, and has placed therein a great lamp (sun), and a moon giving light.

PICKTHALL
Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp and luminous moon.

YUSUF ALI
Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;

MUFTI TAQI USMANI
Glorious is the One who made stellar formations in the sky, and placed therein a lamp (i.e. the sun) and a bright moon.

ABDUL HALEEM
Exalted is He who put constellations in the heavens, a radiant light, and an illuminating moon-

ABUL ALA MAUDUDI(WITH TAFSIR)
(25:61) Most blessed is He Who set a constellation in the heavens,5 and placed in it a great lamp and a shining moon.

DR. MUSTAFA KHATTAB, THE CLEAR QURAN
Blessed is the One Who has placed constellations in the sky, as well as a ˹radiant˺ lamp and a luminous moon.

DR. MUSTAFA KHATTAB
Blessed is the One Who has placed constellations in the sky, as well as a ˹radiant˺ lamp and a luminous moon.

Here the word used to qualify the moon is "muneer" which means "giving light". The translators of the Sahih International used a Qur'an verse to interpret another Qur'an verse which is one of the most subtle way of interpreting the Qur'an.

You tried a lot. kudos. The issue here is that the translators of the quran, who did the sahih international quran, saw it in a different way from you. They are meant to translate and not to interpret the quran using the manuscript available to them. If the manuscript did not read 'derived light' but only 'light' why would they superimposed their interpretation into the translation? This is not a honest interpretation but a subjective one because, except sahih international (the saudi edition), no other translation used 'derived light' for 'nur'. All other passages in the arabic quran where 'nur' appeared were all translated as light. What gives room for this corruption and what did the translators try to achieve by doctoring an arabic meaning to create a theological 'balance'.

If the translators of the quran can be bias in a simple matter like this, what integrity do all other translation of the quran have?

sulasa07:
First,it's only Sahih International that used derived light
Second,the word "Derived" is always in a box.Like this,The moon is a (Derived/Reflecting) Light
Third,the Arabic word Even in Sahih Arabic Quran Recitation Is still Nur.
So,what exactly has changed in the Qur'an.
Let me answer for you,Nothing.So find another thing to say

Do you know why the sahih international used the word 'derived light' instead of just 'light'? This is because the quran had always been wrong by claiming that the moon is a light. The moon is never a light but a dark place. The moon is only illuminated by the sun, at night, the shadow which reflected on the earth surface. The quran got it wrong here and the writters on the quran, in saudi arabia, tried to correct this anomaly by adding the word 'derived' to the word 'light' which makes the sahih international rendition of quran 10:5 different from all other other (honest) translations. While the translators for sahih international tried to do a damaged control for the quran (and allah), it also shows the level of distortion and intellectual dishonesty among the Islamic scholars in Saudi Arabia.

Rashduct4luv:
OK, OK...

Now let me restate the defence.

What is the Arabic word that was mistranslated?
What is the meaning of the Arabic word mistranslated?


Let's start calmly from there.

The arabic word for light is 'nur and all other ayah translated 'nur' as light. Why did sahih international fraudulently translated 'nur' as 'derived light' instead of light? I will tell you the reason if you can be humble.

watch the video again at 1 minutes 25 second. This is what the Malaysian PM who granted him asylum said: Now he is stirring up racial feelings. Who is right, the Malaysian prime minister or the internet trolls? Please note, your starboy, Zakir Naik, wants the Malaysians to start giving the ethnic Indians and the ethnic Chinese the Pakistani treatment of the Hindu and the christian minority. The guy is simply evil and should be deported before he causes a civil war in peaceful Malaysia. I have even forgotten that he is a radical Muslim .

Rashduct4luv:
Please can you get us the translation of John 3: 16 in the over 40 translations of the Bible? Kindly paste it here for scrutiny.

We are most interested in the Arabic word used which does not change. Early translators would have less diction than newer translators.
What is the Arabic word that was mistranslated?
What is the meaning of the Arabic word mistranslated?
Your ignorance is compounded if you can't answer all these questions.

We are discussing the preservation of the quran against distortion and not the bible. If you cant defend the distortions and the misrepresentations in your various qurans then you can simply ignore my post.

Predator1:
The Quran as you posted is not edited.
You posted translations of the Book by several translators in English. The Quran has been translated to virtually all languages and you cannot expect 2 people translating the same book to give the same translation due to so many words to pick from.
The Quran in question is the Quran in the original arabic form as was revealed

Do you mean these 2 translations have the same meaning?

Sahih intenation (quran 10:5):

It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know

Yusuf ALI (quran 10:5):

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.

Empiree:
See this brother quick to post negative news about this great man, Zakir Naik. He cleared the misconceptions and apologize in this video below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CqCb9B3vs

The so-called 'great man' who said, in malaysia, that Malaysian hindus can never loyal to the Malaysian authorities but to the Indian authorities. Ironically, this man is an Indian causing division in a country that have him asylum; working against his own country. Anyway he is a Muslim who is loyal only to the saudis and the ummah.

Hausaman:
The only holy book that is yet to be edited like others. We all know how often some holy books are edited like novels.

The quran has been edited numerous times, especially to conform with modern science. Let us look at various quranic renditions of quran 10:5 and check if there are adjustments, editions or revisions. Remember, the quran made a claim that no one can change the words of allah (quran 6:115).

Sahih intenation (quran 10:5):

It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know

Yusuf ALI (quran 10:5):

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand.

M. H. Shakir (quran 10:5)
He it is Who made the sun a shining brightness and the moon a light, and ordained for it mansions that you might know the computation of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create it but with truth; He makes the signs manifest for a people who

Ahmed Ali, 2001 (quran 10:5)
It is He who gave the sun its radiance, the moon its lustre, and appointed its stations so that you may compute years and numbers. God did not create them but with deliberation. He distinctly explains His signs for those who can understand.

If you look at the different transalations, the most dishonest among all of them is the official saudi edition, sahih international. Why? They translated the moon as 'the derived light' while most translations called moon' a light'. Why did they do that, I mean mistranslated the quran? This is because the moon itself is completely dark and do not have any light. Meanwhile allah called the moon 'a light' which is wrong. The saudi government has to publich another quran to comply with modern science by translation the verse as 'the moon, a derived light'.

This is one of the few dishonesty in Islam and the attempt by the scholars to misinterpret a verse in the quran to give it another new meaning.

The best muslim preacher at it again, sparking racial tension in malaysia after he was declared a persona non grata in his home country India. Watch below sahih Zakir Naik.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWs5O2yJKGI

Empiree:
you are still being dishonest. Just admit the fact. I helped you elaborated your intention. Did Jews and Christians abolish slavery or not?.

Nothing bad elaborating my point but don't misquote me to misrepresent my points. What you did is written in black and white and you need to admit your error and apologize for misquoting me to drive home your false argument.

Empiree:
Oh please, don't turn this to race sh!t. This is part of your skill and the same skill used by White slave masters to shield Christianity. They used the word "colonization" which is euphemism for slave trade. They use "European/Roman Empire" which is euphemism for Christians/Christianity. Don't play smart with me. This is why they become secularized so that blame is not placed on their religion. But thank God from your write-up you admitted the so called Roman Empire (Christian Empire) involved in slave trade. If slavery existed in the period of Jews why didn't historians make Jesus reference to it?. Are they saying slavery didn't exist in his time?. Bro, wake up. They sidelined Jesus from the history of slave trade. It is glaring.

Black Africans are not the only race colonized but they are the only race enslaved by the whites and the arabs in wholesale. In the latter period of the 15th and the 16th century the western powers colonized blacks, arabs and asians but the only race enslaved are the black race. So your argument of lumping and equating slave trade with colonization does not make sense. I dont know if you have eye or comprehension problem, this is what I wrote earlier:

The romans empire, under the occupoation of Jerusalem in the 50BC to 45AD did not place emphasis of slavery but on colonization.

Empiree:
redherring

This is shirk! How can you say the statment below is redherring:

You cannot make a claim that you are not sure of. Let me, for the benefit of the doubt, accept that there was slavery during Jesus' era. Unlike mohammed, Jesus never asked his disciples to be attacking 'the infidels' and taking them captives (quran 4:24, quran 8:1).

Empiree:
they started it or not?. You can't jump from A and then blame Z for stupidity A created. Why didn't Jews and Christians abolish slavery before Muhammad (saw) came?. That's the question

Go and read secular history. Slavery was never started by the Jews and the Jews were not declaring jihad against the infidels in order to capture men as slaves and women as sex slaves (quran 8:1, quran 4:24). These are what Mohammed and his bandits (sahabas) did. There is no any record that Jesus or his sahabas took slaves or raided 'khaiber' to capture people and take war booty, the way Mohammed and his fellow bandits did. The wnites christians and the arab muslims (including mohammed) are evil for taking slaves and exploiting them.