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tintingz:
Lol, I've told you snakes don't hunt for humans.

Yes, it is on record that large snakes have eaten human in several occasions. Normally lions don't hunt human but have equally eaten human on several occasions.

tintingz:
The Elephants and India part was a sarcasm to your claim, snakes are sacred to anambra people, Elephants are sacred to Hindus, you claim snakes don't hurt anambra people(funny) and I said elephants are friends of Hindus. I don't know how many times I will tell you this, do you have problem understanding a sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum?

Do not muddle things up to cover-up for your mistakes and ignorance. Quality of a good student is humility and readiness to learn and explore certain cultural practices. Pythons and human do share the same habitat harmoniously in Anambra, without any known incidence, for 1000s of years while Burmenese Pythons are threat to both human and the ecosystem. Until you logically explain the rationale behind this opposing and strange relationships, I wont take you serious. You claim that Elephants and human are friends, in India, as a statement of fact (from you) which you later repudiated and turn it into a sarcasm. Someone had already called you out for that misinformation; don't worry about that, you have committed no crime.

tintingz:
Something normal can be dangerous, Christianity dogma is a norm In a society and it is dangerous.

Do you equally imply that atheism can be normal but equally dangerous. Tell me the dangers of Christianity of this modern world and I will list tens of dangers of liberalism/atheism in any society. And FYI, the same west, who you are learning your atheistic values, was built, for thousands of years, on christian values, and not atheistic values.

tintingz:
The early crusaders that invades can back up their atrocities from the Bible, please where is the Atheists holy book these people used for their atrocities? Where is the Atheists book that said they should be killing people?

Atheism is not a religion hence has no religious code. The old soviet union, officially an atheist state, has no religious book but it is the most genocidal and ruthless empire in world history. Under communism, religious people are considered 'enemies of the state' and are marked for extermination. The British has no written constitution but they still maintain law and order. Our traditional African society has no book where laws and orders are written but the community understood the unwritten laws and abide by it, the same way atheist have their unwritten 'religious' codes.

tintingz:
Who created cultures?

You are not kindergarten pupil that is always inquisitive and will always ask his/her mum 'show me my teeth'.

tintingz:
How is homosexuality abnormal when it's part of sexual orientation, so animals that do it are also abnormal?

There is no culture where homosexuality is part of sexual orientation. The word 'sexual orientation' is a new and modern phrase coined by the atheist, the left and the liberals to normalize a socially and biologically abnormal lifestyle.

tintingz:
What do you say about natural disasters, is it abnormal? What about my nipples, is it abnormal for me since It is there for nothing? What about yawning, what is it for?

I am sorry, I don't know if you are taking me on on academic construct or if we are discussing social issues affecting the larger society. I am not here for philosophical or hypothetical discussions but real life challenges affecting the world and the larger society. I don't think I can continue with a mind that has deliberately choosed to be reprobate in the name of atheism.

tintingz:
There are gays that are moral and good than heterosexual people, so I don't understand what moral values they will destroy?

Mad people can be good and very gentle in most cases, that does not make madness normal.

tintingz:
They are not teaching them to be gays but informing them not to be homophobic and not to be depressed when you feel you're gay.

Tailoring an educational curriculum to be sympathetic to gay and transgendered people is a tacit way of promoting the lifestyle to the young and feeble minds. Over 95% of parents do not allow such evil to be taught their young children.

tintingz:
Homosexuality is not taught or is heterosexual taught?

Ok.

tintingz:
They need support, the government is doing it responsibility.

A drunkard who spent all his money on drinks need support. A gambler who wasted all his money on betting needs support. In atheism, according to your logic, one needs not take responsibility for his action. The government would rather be responsible for whatever action you willingly take. I like your logic bro.

tintingz:
What's wrong with abortion?

Check my initial response.

tintingz:
What's the solution to homosexuality?

Check my initial response.

tintingz:
Any source?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-christian-cakeshop-sued-discrimination
An insidious way of forcing everyone to accept an evil lifestyle that is contrary to a religious belief. You accused Christianity as being dangerous but atheist are suing Christians for refusing to acknowledge your evil lifestyle. Where is ones right to the second amendment and religious freedom when one is forcing you to do a job that your religion forbids? When last did a christian sue and atheist for not believing in Jesus?

tintingz:
I don't get.

Parents have to withdraw their children form schools when atheist and liberals try to change the school curriculum to accommodate gays and transgendered teachings, which are 100% against their beliefs and lifestyles. Parents, to the atheist, has no right to teach their children morals again.

tintingz:
I'm pro free speech, people should have rights to criticize any practice but there are some speech that are illegal in some countries like anti-racial speech, homophobic speech, even anti-religious speech, speech that can cause breach of peace in the society are illegal.

You are not pro free speech hence you sued me for my refusal to bake your 'gay cake'.

tintingz:
I can remember the issue of a woman being sued for speaking against Muhammad.

Off the issue.

tintingz:
You are just grasping at straws, who is destroying family values, so gays don't have family? Who construct marriage?

Your LGBT uncles and aunts, in the west, are destroying the family unit and the conservatives, especially in France, are fighting back.

tintingz:
So what morality do you have for gays?

Think for yourself for once and stop using academic script for public debate.

tintingz:
The point is whether there are gays or not it doesn't affect the development of a society, that's the point.

My last response on this issue. My response is not for you but for others who might be reading so that they can avoid dangerous people like you who have been programmed to destroy and disrupt societal order. 'Gayism' is not a sexual orientation the same way 'Transgendersim' is not a 'biological orientation'; it is rather a lifestyle that people deliberately and consciously choosed to live. A elementary biology has it that mammals are born as either a male or female, and sex is only between a man and a woman. Do not subscribe to the atheist and the liberals views which tend to redefine biology in order to reshape and reprogram the mind of the society, whose mission is the complete social and moral destruction of the society.

Your question:

sulasa07:
Where did you find Apostasy law in Islam, kindly show me

My response:

true2god:
This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

Your adjusted condition:

sulasa07:
Whenever I want to follow capital punishment rulings,I follow Qur'an and there is no place the Qur'an mentioned killing Apostates,so to me,an Apostate has no issue but in most of the Hadiths, Apostates are linked with Treason,and punishment for treason is death

You are changing the goal post. All the 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence unanimously agreed that the penalty for apostasy is death.

sulasa07:
Well,you can't say coz you didn't exist thousands of yrs ago

Has the hadith suddenly become a historical or scientific document? Aside Islam, which other community believes in your hadith?

tintingz:
Of cos you can't deal with logic, you have said it in a thread before. I'm here to criticize your claims and make you use your reasoning.

Don't be intellectually dishonest bro. There is no time in any of my engagement that I tell you I can't deal with logic. I gave you a scenario which involves pythons in a village in Anambra state which are considered part and parcel of the community and are regarded as sacred beings and harmless to man while Pythons elsewhere, like the Burmese pythons, are dangerous and will kill a man if any opportunity arises for that. And I remembered I asked you to logically and scientifically explain, with evidence, what brought about the positive social relationship between the pythons in Anambra state (Nigeria) and what causes the hostility between human and the Burmese python. I can still remember telling you that there are cultural phenomenal that cannot be explained with physical evidence such as the scenario I presented. I can also remember you saying that snakes might be trained and I asked you to provide a community where all snakes are trained to be harmless to human. I can also remember you wrongfully claiming, to nullify my argument that Indians always play with elephants before you were corrected for lying. I never tell you I never used logic bro and, respectfully, I don't think your self-professed atheism make you more logical than an average person on Nairaland.

tintingz:
No where the link said Christianity is seen as abnormal but Of cos the dogmatism of Christianity is dangerous(some are good but humans can be good without them), I said it in my previous post.

You are contradicting yourself. Look at your statements, as someone that has logic:

----No where the link said Christianity is seen as abnormal

----Of cos the dogmatism of Christianity is dangerous

Your first statement already contradicts second statement, if truly you are a student of logic and I don't think you go through the link I gave you.

tintingz:
[b]Witch killing, gay execution, killing apostates, slavery, no freedom of speech, women degrading, conquest [/b]etc are dogmas that are dangerous in the society, these are dogmas practiced by Christians in the past.

True, the medieval church committed most of what you accused them of and it is highly regrettable, all of which are against the teaching of Christ. Remember, the regime that commit the highest genocide against people (in this modern era) are Joseph Stalin, 'Bolshevik' Lenin and the Chinese Mao. These people shaped their society with atheistic thoughts and values and any citizen that stood against atheism is regarded as 'enemy of the state' and marked for execution; sent to the gulag. If you judge other by their past, remember that the most ruthless and genocidal dictators the world had offered are all atheist.

tintingz:
You haven't given any logical reason how it's affecting the west.

I have given you reasons why it is affecting the west but you failed to understand. Mass immigration changes the culture of the host country and the possibility of future social unrest is high because of conflicting culture and values existing side by side. And on homosexuality, it an an abnormal sexual orientation that is against reproductive order. There is no any scientific finding/paper that validated it as normal in human. It is rather a lifestyle which is promoted, by the liberals and the atheist, to destroy the moral values of the society. Some primary school curriculum are being designed to teach young mind to be gays, lesbians and chose their sex. If these social engineering is not affecting the social fabrics of the society you need to get education. Do you know how much tax money is being spent on trangerred people, the money that could have been used to take care of the poor in the society? Is it logical for the government to spend public fund on a lifestyle people willingly chose?

tintingz:
Your Bible promote hatred for gays and even ordered them to be killed, is that the ideology the west should keep holding to?

Africans and the Arabs world also promoted the hatred for gays. And to be truthful to you, I hate gays and lesbians and I support any law that will stamp out this evil in the society.

tintingz:
What's so wrong with homosexuality, abortion etc?

Check my post above. On abortion, are you seeking for an answer or a loophole for a future argument?

tintingz:
What solution do you have for homosexuals, any solution?

Are you seeking for an answer or a loophole for a future argument?

tintingz:
I've morality and it's "well being, compassion and empathy", this is what a society needs not some archaic barbaric practices.

If your gay partners are looking for empathy why are they suing because I refused to bake their 'gay' cake? Why are they forcing parents to take their wards away from school because they (the parents) don't want their children to be exposed, at early age, their gay lifestyle? Why the gay people forcing a law to make it a criminal offense for the church to tell their members that homosexual act is evil and against natural laws? You are not seeking empathy but the destruction of family values which makes marriage only between a man and a woman.

tintingz:
You're the one making up conspiracies in your head, please stop this your delusion.

Commonsense are conspiracies to any reprobate mind.

tintingz:
The west have well developed, Africa that frown at most western practices are we developed or going backwards?

The west did not develop because they promoted gays, lesbians, transgender people etc. Russia, China, Japan are well developed without promoting these vices in their society. And FYI, the LGBT movement is less than 20 years and the west had already being fully developed before this current madness. About 25-30 years ago, gays and lesbian are also hunted in the west, whats your point exactly?

sulasa07:
Scientifically impossible indeed,Science that changes like Glo 4G to 3G,and 3G to 4G

Stop being ridiculous. At no time has any man been 60cubit tall.

sulasa07:
Where did you find Apostasy law in Islam, kindly show me

This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle."
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

Rashduct4luv:
What does Paul mean when he said "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death?

What decree? Did he say the decree is only for the Jews?

Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death....

Kindly provide reference for the bolded.

sulasa07:
How is he wrong

Your prophet got it wrong when he said Adam was 60cubic tall. It is scientifically impossible and you should be humble enough to admit that your prophet is wrong here. Remember, your prophet is not God and he can make a mistake; unless you have placed mohammed with the same level with allah.

Rashduct4luv:
Does this statement make sense? The Jewish people of the OT is a nation, an ethnic group and not a religious community...

Yet God in the OT saved the People of the Noah in the ark and they are not a religious community.

Yet God saved the people of Moses in the red sea right?

Apart from the Jewish people which other ethnic group exist then?

Which ethnic group exists that was not from the people saved with Noah? Are they not a religious community?

There was no prove that the law of apostasy was only for the Jew.

Jesus
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.''

OT
Leviticus 20:27 "And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail. They should pelt them to death with stones. Their own blood is upon them."

Paul
Romans 1:20-32 ...they knew God,.....and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.....and worshiped and served created things.
Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

No people called the Jewish people at the time of Noah; they never existed. The Jews became a nation after the time of moses when a law was given and a religious structure put in place.

I seriously do not understand all the unrelated verses you are quoting. What we are talking about is apostasy law in Judaism or Christianity which never existed. In today's Christianity or Judaism, there is no penalty for leaving the religions except in Islam.

tintingz:
You're the one creating this conspiracies to suit your fantasy, that's why it's a delusion.

I always try as much as I can to avoid any sort of logical argument with any self-professed atheist because of their occasional inverse logic and moral relativism. I am however tempted a respond to this. I however find it tough to determine whether you are here to learn, argue or boost a personal ego.

tintingz:
Where did Christianity become abnormal in the west or murder become normal in the west? How's is LGBT affecting the west?

See the links below on how the liberal and atheist-controlled polity and the western media portray Christianity as abnormal and dangerous for having a divergent view against the liberals and the atheist view in the west (especially against mass immigration and the LGBT nonsense)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42158770
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/21/church-attacks-home-office-saying-christianity-not-peaceful/
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2019/1/29/uk-christians-dangerous-anti-extremism-measures-threaten-christian-freedom

LGBT is not only affecting the west, it is created to destroy the fabric of the society built on/from a normal nuclear unit. Normalizing and promoting an abnormal lifestyle is designed to destroy any society from its root, which is the family. Have you read where gay couples sued a christian woman because she refused to bake 'wedding' cake for the gay couple? Didn't you hear one of the Democrats presidential aspirants, Beto O'Rouke, threaten christians and churches in the US, if elected, for refusing to accept the LGBT movement? Can you ask you question again: How's is LGBT affecting the west?

tintingz:
The last time I checked, Christianity is still the majority in the west, so where is your claim coming from? The Christianity morality is not an healthy morality just like Islamic morality, they have caused damages in history.

You are gradually removing your mask and I can noW see your face clearly. So the atheist morally is now the healthy morality; what is the world turning into? What is atheist morality? Can you please list them with pride? You mean the morality that promotes and encourages abortion, homosexuality, lesbianism, socially re-engineering the society to accommodate all manners of bestial behaviors. The 'morality' that attacks others (like the ANTIFAs) who refused to bow to their utopian and misguided worldviews?

tintingz:
Kindly stop this conspiracies, it's delusional.

You are either a student who doesn't understand how a society can be internally destroyed, without bombs and guns, or just ignorant of current socio-cultural realities.

sulasa07:
And you have a problem with it

I have a problem with it because your prophet was very wrong here.

tintingz:
What a beautiful delusion.

You usually lack a critical thought without following the 'atheistic' scripts that you have subconsciously rehearsed in all your argument. If you can't see the social engineering and the population replacement, and the powers orchestrating this changes, going on in the west, then you are not as smart as I used to think.

Demmzy15:
The Kafir would divert, he can't defend the Bible. But on Islam, you'll see him drooling like sex-starved baboon. Keferi aiye ati orun

While will I defend the Bible after you have concluded that it is 'corrupt'? I will discuss the 'uncorrupted' quran and your sahih Bukhari and you have to defend it since they are unchangeable words of allah.

Rashduct4luv:
Why not dissect the Bible verses i quoted instead of using diversion tactics? Why are apostasy laws in the OT?

The Jewish people of the OT is a nation, an ethnic group and not a religious community like we have in Islam. There apostasy law is for the Jewish people ONLY and the Jews never ask any people to join their religion, unlike mohammed.

salam8528:
Arabs are not poor but the European made them poor, for example, Irag, Syria and Libya where am doing well until European use some scrupulous element among them to cause confusion in their country. just view their economy decades ago and u will understand what am saying.

If you don't put your house in order a stranger will destroy it. It is a known fact that Arabs are tribal people who often fight each other for territorial benefit. The west unfortunately exploited this weakness to their advantage. As bad as the west is, the cannot exploit a united adverary like China, Iran, North Korea or Russia. Aside from Irag, Syria and Libya, which are in crisis, all other Muslim nations (except the oil-rich gulf states) are very poor and backward. Without oil and gas, Saudi arabia and qatar will be using camel and horse for car race. Stop tempting me bro.

Demmzy15:
Honestly, it's paining me you don't have sense

Calm down bro. Everyday 'nobe' fight.

Rashduct4luv:
Now tell us scriptural why you follow the Sunnah of your mum?

Sahih true2god VOL 1, BOOK1, HADITH 101: Narrated Joy Oluwaseun Akintunde,

Our mum (PBUH) used wake up early in the morning to gather the family for early morning prayer. She will always read from the book of Psalms and after the reading she will call upon our eldest brother, Oluwasegun Akintunde, who will lead the prayer and worship section.

This is the scriptural way I follow the sunnah of my mum (PBUH).

Rashduct4luv:
Does not matter if some Muslim figures do it. What is halal and Haram has been specified in our Books....brb

Ok bros. I understand you better.

In Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, book 55, #543,

Narrated Abu Hurayrah:

"The prophet, peace be upon him, said:
'Allah created Adam, made him 60 cubits in height..'"

The prophet of allah really got it right, Adam was 60 cubit tall.

I hope we can also discuss 'the scientific miracles in the hadith'. I will post some 'scientific miracles' in the hadith as rasool 'rightly' educated the sahabas.

usermane:
You didn't mention the Zionists or Jewish supremacists. The primary enemies of Christians are not liberal atheists. They are Jewish, of course not all Jews, but Talmudic Jews, Jewish supremacists. It is time for Christians to stop speaking of Judea-Christian values and supporting Israel.

I think you are right, the reason I mentioned the Rothschild (Jewish) role in the destruction of the west. They control CNN and other major media network who are aggressively promoting the moral, economic and the political destruction of the west.

I think there is an attempt by some political elements (the atheist left and the liberals) in the US and Europe to destroy the west. It is possible that the sins of the west has become so great that the great empire is about to be overthrown. What seems as evil (like homosexuality, lesbianism, transgender, bestiality, murder, etc) are normalized now and even well protected. The west is currently facing a serious social engineering process whereby Christianity is seen as abnormal while atheist and LGBT group are now normalized, and Islam is highly promoted (in the west) to counter and destroy christian values, upon which the west was built.

The cosmic forces that controls the universe, to me, will destroy the west because of their evils, wars, exploitation of the poor, slavery and Neo-colonization of in/of the so-called third world countries. Just as all great powers (the old Babylon, the old Egypt, the old assyrians, the roman empire, etc) had fallen, the west is also in decline morally hence, as part of God's punishment, Islam might take over the west in the future. The recent LGBT-CNN Democrat National Convention presidential debate will give one an insight into what the future holds for the US and the west in general.

There is no stopping of Muslim migration into the west; it is part of the grand plan for the future destruction of the west. The west created a humanitarian disaster in the Muslim world in order to fill Europe with Arab/Persian population. It a a sort of population replacement strategy being employed by the 'Soros' and the Rothschild-controlled western 'democracy'.

Rashduct4luv:
Don't act dumb. Fortune telling is anti-Islam and it is part of culture Islam prohibits.

“Whoever goes to a fortune-teller and asks him about something, his prayer will not be accepted for forty nights.” Narrated by Muslim (2230).

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has intercourse with a menstruating woman or with a woman in her back passage, or goes to a fortune teller and believes what he says, has disbelieved in that which Allaah revealed to Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).” Narrated by Abu Dawood (3904), al-Tirmidhi (3904) and Ibn Majaah (936); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah.

I know it is cultural but Islam forbids it.
So i wonder where you hear there's fortune tellers widely spread in mecca.
Moreover, witches are to be killed in an Islamic state.

Lest I forget, hope you are aware that Muslim marabouts also have a mystic tradition of copying out some ayah from the Quran, use a black ink to write same on a black slate (small black board), and after a while wash the ink off and pour the water in a bottle. The 'Islamic' water is poured inside a bottle and the clients (mostly Muslims) are asked to drink the water with a given prescription on how they should use it. if this is not a dark art if wizardry what will you call it? And most Alfas (Islamic clerics) involved in this trade are also into fortune-telling, palm-reading and preparing of amulets and most of them are alhajis who have gone for hajj. Many hausa and Fulani-muslim 'Okada' riders use these charms preparer by the clerics. How dare you, knowing fully well that Muslims are more guilty in patronizing the dark arts, tell me that fortune-tellings and charms are exclusive to African traditional religion when most of these practices are from the Maghreb and the Arab world (the real Islamic States)?

Rashduct4luv:
When i mentioned that there is no Christian country/state. What i actually meant was a country/state being rule partly or wholly with the Qur'an and Sunnah. All your write up above is of little concern to me. There are countries/provinces that use Sharee'ah whether wholly or partially and there is none that uses your books. I think i am OK.

Apostasy is part of Islam and there's no compulsion in religion. The law has been there from the start of Islam and will be there till Allah wills.

It is hypocrisy when you guys claim Muslims are terrorist but your book contain verses that can be termed "kill the infidel" verses and apostasy verses! So much of a double standard

Deuteronomy 17

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Deuteronomy 13 Apostasy in the Bible

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.

Or Numbers 31, where God commands the Israelites to attack Midian and kill all the men, all the married women and all the male children but to keep the virgin females as the spoils of war and distribute them among the soldiers. The reason offered for that barbarism? Two Midianite women had allegedly “tempted” two Israelite men to worship other gods.


The China you keep mentioning is a case study that proves terrorism is not a function of religion.

NOL2dworld

The Arab world is still 500 years backward, check your Islamic calendar and see for yourself. Their thinking is still primitive hence they still view religion as a means to an end (since they can never cope with modern science and technology). They only see religion as their only trump card to play in the game of who controls the state and it resources hence are ready to kill anybody that leaves Islam (world's largest political party).

salam8528:
And was causing the migration, is it not the same people u called kafir? And the natives converting is anyone forcing them. Pls stop contradicting yourself. Leave or take it Islam is growing fast and u can't stop a moving train. Germany will never give anybody anything for free, u work for what u eat, stop misleading people plsss

Poverty in Africa and the Arab world is one the root causes of the migration. For the Arabs, their migration is primarily for future Islamic takeover and secondarily for a better life.

Rashduct4luv:
So you dress like her too? And since you use PBUH for your mum, that means she is dead too right?

So much of being too quick to type trash.

My mum (PBUH) is late and what's wrong if I use PBUH for my mum? Can you show me where it is written in the Quran that PBUH must only be used for Mohammed?

You asked if I dress like her, that is a silly question. How do you want me to dress like my mum, being a man? I am not a 'Bobrisky' bro, I only follow the good deeds of my mum (her sunnah) and thank God I learnt from her (PBUH).

Rashduct4luv:
Don't act dumb. Fortune telling is anti-Islam and it is part of culture Islam prohibits.

“Whoever goes to a fortune-teller and asks him about something, his prayer will not be accepted for forty nights.” Narrated by Muslim (2230).

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has intercourse with a menstruating woman or with a woman in her back passage, or goes to a fortune teller and believes what he says, has disbelieved in that which Allaah revealed to Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).” Narrated by Abu Dawood (3904), al-Tirmidhi (3904) and Ibn Majaah (936); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah.

I know it is cultural but Islam forbids it.
So i wonder where you hear there's fortune tellers widely spread in mecca.
Moreover, witches are to be killed in an Islamic state.

I know that fortune-telling is forbidden in most major religions but you talked as if it is only associated with African tradition. And I am telling you that many Alfas, Islamic clerics, are fortune-tellers as well, unless you want to feign ignorance, and they are well patronized. The Saudis may officially condemn fortune-telling but they have so many fortune-tellers and marabouts, all of who claimed they are Muslims, who our politicians always patronized. As a matter of fact Muslims patronize fortune-tellers than any other religious group, so don't sound as if we Africans are the guilty ones here.

fortran12:
What would Jesus do if presented with the opportunity of sex for marks? I am sure he would pass. But i am 100000 % sure of what Mohammed would have done!

Judge a religion by the principals of that religion n not the followers.

Insightful analysis and comparison. Of course we all know who will fail the test:

[quran 33:50] O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

[quran 33:51] You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing.

[quran 33:52] Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses.

The most privileged prophet.

tintingz:
And to think of it, i use to think he's intelligent in philosophical argument when I was a Muslim but now he's not even close to intelligent when it comes to philosophical argument. I've not seen him in a philosophical debates with non-muslims. He's good at giving some cliché answers to cliché questions.

He's just a show-biz person.

He is a show-biz guy, Islamic mega-star who won a very lucrative 'Islamic' prize in Saudi Arabia, for him being a pseudo Islamic intellectual who can't even speak Arabic, the standard requirement for being an Islamic scholar. As a persona non grata, he was declared wanted, in India, for promoting religious conflict and terrorism. Luckily for him, the Malaysian PM (the smart Saudis rejected him) granted him asylum but he started, in Malaysia, preaching hatred, the same offense he committed in India.

Rashduct4luv:
That can't happen. You want us to be like you Christians with no country/State?

We follow Islamic law till death.

Have you heard of 'Lawrence of Arabia'? FYI, all the current Muslim countries and the entire Arab world was created by the Christian west. No single modern Arab nation that was not created by the Christian west, including your Saudi Arabia. The British installed the current Royal family , the Al-saud family, ruling Saudi Arabia. Before 1900, no country that is called Saudi Arabia.

Thank God that you have also confessed that the Arabs will never allow religious freedom. Do you still think that Islam is the religion of peace? Will Muslims still condemn China for giving them a small dose of their own medicine?

Rashduct4luv:
Do your parents and you still visit fore tune tellers and charm peddlers?

Saying my ancestors knew nothing about Islam is a mistake. My Dad is a Muslim. My Dad's Dad was an Imam....

Almost all religions do fortune-telling, including Islam. Many Alfas are also into fortune-telling. Fortuna-telling is not a religion but a dark art associated with virtually every culture worldwide. You seriously have a little understanding of how your immediate environment works else you won't ask this question. I am not promoting fortune-telling but to make you understand that fortune-telling is not exclusive to Africa traditional religion. Even the arab-muslims do it and many Nigerian politicians visit marabouts anytime they visit mecca for hajj. Do you seriously mean you are not aware of this?

danjumakolo:
I heard the current PM in Britain has Turkish roots.Is that true

I can't really say if it is true or not but personally I don't think so. It is easier for a Turkish to be the Chancellor (Prime minister) of Germany than to be a mayor in Britain.