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IamBlanco:
the later verses of the Quran revealed to mohammed at Medina abrogates the former verses revealed to him while he was at mecca. tell the truth!!! it won't kill you. search for "the Arabian prophet" in YouTube. watch his videos and call in if you wish.

Surah 9 of the quran is the last surah, allegedly revealed in Medina while the first surah is surah 96. This makes the organization and arrangement of the quran troubling.

Mccullum:
As a muslim you must believe in the messages of all prophets of God, failure to accept that means you're not muslim.

true2god:
Where is this written in the quran?

Mccullum:
In Islam, every prophet preached the same core beliefs, the Oneness of God, worshiping of that one God, avoidance of idolatry and sin, and the belief in the Day of Resurrection or the Day of Judgement and life after death. Prophets and messengers are believed to have been sent by God to different communities during different periods in history.

In Islam there is a tradition of prophetic lineage, particularly with regard to the prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) who had many prophets in his lineage - Jesus (Isa), Zakariyyah, Muhammad, David (Dawud)), etc. - through his sons Ismael and Isaac.

The Qur’an says:

The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah—the which We have sent by inspiration to thee—and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein:...

— Quran, sura 42 (Ash-Shura), ayah 13[23]

The Qur’an is a revelation from the last prophet in the Abrahamic succession, Muhammad, and its contents detail what Muslims refer to as the 'Straight path.[19]' According to Islamic belief, every prophet preached Islam. There is an emphasis on charity, prayer, pilgrimage, worship of the one God, and fasting.[20] The Qur’an itself calls Islam the "religion of Abraham" (Ibrahim)[21] and refers to Jacob (Yaqub) and the Twelve Tribes of Israel as being Muslim.[22]

I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT AGAIN AFTER THESE FACTS ABOVE, THANKS

You are yet to provide where it was written, equivocally in the quran, that i must believe in mohammed to be a muslims. You better stop responding if you have no facts to present.

Mccullum:
As a muslim you must believe in the messages of all prophets of God, failure to accept that means you're not muslim.

Where is this written in the quran?

Mccullum:
If you're muslim by birth, are you practicing the religion of Islam now? if your answer is no, you're not a muslim.

I am still a muslim but I do not believe in mohammed. Must I believe in mohammed to be a muslim? According to Islam, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, David, etc, were all Muslims but never seen or believed in mohammed. So I must never believe in mohamed to be a muslim.

malvisguy212:
longest time my brother.

Thanks bro, being a while.

Dpharisee:
It's like the Saudi Prince who murdered his fellow citizen and US journalist Kashoggi wants to take revenge for the Houthi drone attack that cut Saudi oil production by half.
Also the capture of thousands of Saudi soldiers by the Yemeni Houthis also embarrassed him.

Prince Mohammed bn Salman has done a lot of damage to Saudi Arabia in collaboration with his American backers who sold billions of Air Defence Systems that failed to intercept the Houthi drones.
Attacking Iranian tankers will cause significant damage to the ecosystem with oil spillage.

That Prince is currently starving millions of his fellow Muslims in Yemen with a blockade of air, land and sea with NATO support.
Unfortunately, he and his father King Abdulaziz are custodians of the two Holy Mosques in Mecca and Medina with all these crimes against humanity

Sorry bro, you are wrong. The signature here looks like that of the US and Israel.

malvisguy212:
how is he off point ? allow freedom to practices other religion in the Arab world and see if Islam can survived

The Arab muslims will never allow religious freedom in their coutry but will spend millions of dollars promoting Islam in non-muslim country. It is not about religion but cultural and social conquest of non-muslim lands, by the Arabs, using Islam as a means to an end.

Rashduct4luv:
i don't care about your belief or ethics. Go your way and don't disturb me on my way. Your religion may be foreign not mine. Actually religion is not directly our problem in Africa but hypocrisy, double standards and similar vices.

If you are not an Arab and claim to be a Muslim, you are practicing a foreign religion. Your ancestors knew nothing about Islam. You adopted Islam as a result of birth (if your parents are Muslims), or through social or foreign influence.

gaskiyamagana:
As long as you are saying
"Sai Baba, sai Buhari, God bless Nigerian"
You don contribute to moving Nigeria forward.

I am not a Buharist but that does not mean I shouldn't contribute to the progress of this country. I am not a 'sai baba, sai buhari' chorister.

Rashduct4luv:
I decided not to tag you and others and my response was not particularly to you .
I know you are in love with specious argument. We build mosques to pray in and no one should question whoever spends his money the way he feels like, If you have your money build factory. If i have money i will build a mosques, orphanages, Factories, etc in my name.

Dangote has money....factories and supports orphanages, mosques, etc with 10s of millions yearly. And how do you know these guys have not invested in factories or other humanitarian projects?

Whatever we do we will give account.

Live and lets live. We are not China & Japan.

We are trying reason together but you always seem aggressive because of religion. We cannot continue this way, sucking up to foreign religions, while the people remain poor and ignorant. I am not against Islam or Christianity per se but people need start looking beyond religion to solve our problems. We need to be more productive and not more religious. Our society was already morally sound before the coming of Islam and Christianity. Foreign religions do not make us more moral or pious.

AbuTwins:
Is it not hypocrisy when you follow Jesus, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, etc who probably were around almost 2000 years ago and you criticism us for following someone who came 1440 years ago?

Islam is Sunnah. Any culture against Islam is rejected by us.

How many of your cultural traditions do you still retain? Do you still visit fortune tellers, Charms/amulet peddlers, believe in superstitions, etc.
It's our life not yours.

I follow my mum (PBUH) who groomed and taught me morals. Except Jesus, my mum is more important to me than Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, etc. I follow the sunnah of my late mum (PBUH) and my life is very fulfilled as a result.

Rashduct4luv:
When Christians build thousands of seater Churches, most Muslims won't give a damn. I don't know wetin concern them with Mosque.

The Campground on that popular expressway is three million capacity.

Hatred and Bigotry as usual. They will never mind their Biz. They probably think by spreading the BH mantra people will leave Islam.

And if they build factory they will text you about it? Na their money, don't they have freedom anymore?

It's like you guys are getting more and more unreasonable as the day goes by.

Don't be a coward, quote me directly. Check my post and you see me condemning the construction of mega churches. African need big factories and technical schools and not big churches or big mosques.; big churches doesn't lift people out of poverty but only the pastors and the imams benefit. Take a cue from China and Japan.

tintingz:
I can remember a video of Dr. Zakir Naik where someone asked him that most of the discoveries in the Quran if not all were already known or discovered in the past before Muhammad even exist.

Dr. Zakir gave a ridiculous response, his reaction was somehow furious with superiority, I've forgotten what he said. I think I will search for it again.

Doctored Zakir Naik is a bigot and a charlatan who spent all his life career bashing the Hindus and the Christians but will shout 'Islamophobia' anytime Islam is bashed. Also a pseudo scientist who always parrot the popular islamic propaganda 'scientific miracles in the quran' but when his claim is intellectually challenged he will quickly dismiss the person asking the question and go to the next gullible person with a soft question, his answers which are designed to 'waoh' the mostly gullible and semi-illiterate audience.

Sunnah should not be a replacement for people's culture and commonsense. Life should never be made robotic by following the exact thought, words and behavioral pattern of a certain 7th century Arabian desert man.

The way people greet is rather a cultural thing. Every culture has a way of greeting and paying obeisance to the elderly. Life must not necessarily be viewed from the arabian (islamic) lense.

BroOptimist:
Please, provide answers to the questions above and stop displaying your ignorance and hypocrisy here.

What are the questions?

seguntijan:
There is nothing in the Qur’aan that suggests that a man is allowed to bite his wife.
1 – The Qur’aan enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“and live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allaah brings through it a great deal of good”
[al-Nisa’ 4:19]
2 – The Qur’aan explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Baqarah 2:228]
This verse indicates that the man has additional rights, commensurate with his role as protector and maintainer and his responsibility of spending (on his wife) etc.
3 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) spoke beautiful word concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6352; Muslim, 1628.
4 – And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.
What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. From the words of al-Nawawi.
The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.
This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”
[al-Nisa’ 4:34]
If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.
‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]
The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.
And Allaah knows best.

You tried but you are not being completely honest. This is what quran 4:34 (Yusuf Ali) says:

"....As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

I bolded the above for a reason being that even if the wife has done no wrong, the husband is meant to discipline the wife if he 'fears' she will be 'disloyal and ill-conduct'. This is left at the discretion of the husband to determine when he perceived disloyalty from the wife. Islam is never against wife-beating but the translators of the quran put, in parenthesis, 'beat slightly' which is not in the original arabic. Go and read the original arabic text and you will never see the word 'beat lightly' but just 'beat'. It is very ok for a muslim man to beat his disobedient wife. See the sunnah below and have a better understanding of what I am talking about.

Sahih Muslim Book 4, Hadith Number 2127: Narrated by Aisha:
He (The Prophet, peace be upon him) hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'Aisha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it.

Mohammed struck Aisha on her chest which caused her pain, you can now compare this incident with quran 4:34.

tintingz:
Quick answer: Yes.

From the mouth of an ex-muslim? I believe you.

Mayzie:
Weather TB Joshua is legit or fake, e no concern me. The tin wey matter b say, make Christians try read the word of God (The Holy Bible) and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. In that way no fake prophet can deceive us. END OF STORY. �

It ought to be a source of concerning to you when people are being deceived with 'Lying wonders'. Men are so gullible as to assume that miracle is a sign of been from the positive divine power and as such it is our duty to warn the gullible of the dangers of going after so-called miracles from questionable sources.

Why not the largest factory in Africa. China is demolishing churches and mosques and Africa need to do the same thing. Religion should be personal and should never be celebrated as an achievement. What is the economic benefit of the 'largest church and mosques?'. Nothing but brainwashing and adaptation of foreign culture.

BroOptimist:
Alas! You're a Muslim, but Mohammed (PBUH) is not your Prophet , right? Definitely, you're NOT a Muslim in any manner. Do you believe in oneness of Allah? Do you observe 5-time daily prayers? Do you fast during Ramadan? If you do all those above mentioned, who taught you how to do them, if truly you are still a Muslim

My friend, eschew being deceived and bambozzeld. No Islam, no Paradise!

According to Islam all man is born a muslim so that makes me a muslim. I am a muslim but I dont believe in mohammed as a messenger; I believe in God alone. I dont follow religion blindly but God and I like doing good to my fellow man.

BroOptimist:
Lol. I laugh in Chinese. What ignorance and hypocrisy! Anyway, you said " though a very very insignificant number of natives do convert and most later leave ". It is better for you to have a rethink and come to Islam before it is too late and stop deceiving yourself.

I am already a Muslim but Mohammed is not my prophet. Lobatan!

TheExecutioner:
Yes I have heard that line before. Apparently Arabic is the only language where the entire meaning of a sentence is completely reversed when you translate it into another language

Lolll. You understand that gimmick; a perfect excuse that we hear so often. Apparently allah understands only arabic.

tartar9:
...but you'd readily accept such claims made against a pastor you dont like such as T.B Joshua.
Yes,K.F Kumuyi tried molesting me few years ago but I burnt him with the fire of the holy ghost!

Divide and rule. TB is a known demonic man and no one has ever molested you. Stop this Islamic lies.

TheExecutioner:
I also have copies of the complete Sahih Hadith collections, whether Sahih Al Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Al Tirmidhi Sirat Rasul Allah Al Tabari, Tafseers etc

You can understand Islam if you only read these books in Arabic (According to Shabir Yusuf).

tartar9:
All this fake pastors,reminds me when kumuyi once tried molesting me
may God save his church.

Which of the Kumuyi? Is it the DeeperLife's Kumuyi? I am 1000000% sure you are lying here, except it is the Kumuyi in your school or neighbourhood.

Rashduct4luv:
Off point as usual. Thank you for marking a register on my thread.

Good morning Rashduct4luv. I 'no fit' argue today. Today is my day for a sombre reflection, and how I can contribute to move this country forward.

Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah, you are now well known on our thread.

A Notorious lying arrogant Christian Islamophobe. Empty vessels they say sounds the most!

Good morning bro, hope you enjoyed your weekend.

This man is deceptive and very demonic; no doubt about that. I only pity his customers (congregation)

abdullahi45:
Hello bro. I am not here for your intellectual romance. I have gone through most of your conversation on Nairaland, and I have come to realise that no matter how much truthful explanation is given to you, you won't still accept the truth. Like you have programmed your mind to just debate, but not accept the truth when it surfaces. Religious matt
ers are beyond that bro. You can change your ways it will be altruistic for you, I mean debate with an open mind and be ready to admit and accept the truth when glaring. Peace he unto you.

Thanks bro. 'Truth' is subjective though.

Demmzy15:
It's obvious you didn't read my reply as I showed that the verse is a problem for you because it nullifies the accounts of Like, Mark and Matthew. And again, the John being referred here is 'John the Apostle' and not 'John the Evangelist' the writer of the Gospel. There's no account from John the Apostle, if you witnessed something, you ought to report it.



Bro, you need to stick to the Bible and not outside sources. I have outside sources which mentions that the people thought it was Jesus but another man just as the Qur'an mentioned. It's funny you're quoting from the Talmud, a book known to have cursed Jesus and his mother. The writers of the Talmud were people who hated Jesus which makes sense that they thought he was crucified whereas God answered his prayer and he was saved from death.



Look at my own scriptural evidences too:

1. Gospel of Basilides:

He appeared on earth as a man and performed miracles. Thus he himself did not suffer. Rather, a certain Simon of Cyrene was compelled to carry his cross for him. It was he who was ignorantly and erroneously crucified, being transfigured by him, so that he might be thought to be Jesus. Moreover, Jesus assumed the form of Simon, and stood by laughing at them. Kelhoffer, James A. (2014).
Conceptions of "Gospel" and Legitimacy in Early Christianity. Mohr Siebeck. p. 80. ISBN 9783161526367.

2. Second Treatise of the Great Seth

For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death... It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns... And I was laughing at their ignorance.
Ehrman, Bart (2003). Lost Scriptures. Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 82–86.

3. Acts of John

“Therefore I have suffered none of the things which they will say of me: that suffering which I showed to you..., I wish it to be called a mystery. For what you are, you see that I showed you; but what I am, that I alone know, and no one else… As for seeing me as I am in reality, I have told you this is impossible unless you are able to see me as my kinsman. You hear that I suffered, yet I suffered not; that I suffered not, yet I did suffer, that I was pierced, yet was I not wounded; hanged, and I was not hanged; that blood flowed from me, yet it did not flow; and, in a word, those things that they say of me I did not endure, and the things that they do not say those I suffered.”

Chapter 101 as translated by Bart Harman

I leave it at here, and besides some Early Christian sects believed Jesus was never crucified like the Ebionites.

And can you explain to me why the crucifixion is even necessary? Why even after dying you still consider Jesus to be God

Why are you quoting drunkards and atheist to validate your argument?