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tintingz:
First, every phenomena that occur in this natural world is natural, it's either not yet understood or unknown. There are many phenomena tagged supernatural in the past and now discover it to be natural.

Secondly, generational curses or karma cannot work in an imperfect world, no humans is perfect therefore every human must have done something wrong in their life time and if this is so, humans should be extinct by now or better still there won't be bad things again.

Thirdly, there are no evidence that connects this generational curses or karma, because I'm sick doesn't mean I must have done something wrong to someone or I'm cursed, you can't prove the connection, people only fantasize this with their confirmation bias, an opium they wish for. The fallacy for this is a post hoc fallacy.

Karma or generational will make sense if we're in a perfect world. Unfortunately bad people suffer and good people enjoy, no one is immune to this experience.

I want to ask you a simple questions, do you think you are always 100% correct in your assertions? Is it possible for you to get something wrong while your mind tells you you are correct?

tintingz:
Generational curses or karma are superstitions and nonsensical.

No one has a complete repository of knowledge and for the fact that certain things are beyond human comprehension does not make it false. Not all laws follow natural and scientific laws, we also have spiritual laws that govern the universe. I have a first-hand experience of what I am talking about and would not like go into details because a friend or relative, who might understand, could be reading. There are curses and blessings in life and are controlled by cosmic forces, take it or leave it.

buygala:


Baba paid for Missionary and is expecting the girl to do 'Snake in the monkey shadow'

For those of you who are not in the Olosho Pickup business


'Overnight package' does not mean you are entitled to fvck her until her pussy starts overheating like Corrolla engine wey burn gasket
You are entitled to just one missionary round before bed and one 'good morning' missionary round before she leaves...anything extra is strictly on previous agreement or if she willingly gives you 'Jara'

Missionary style still applies to 'Short time' unless otherwise agreed

The honest truth is that it's my lodge mate in the uni named Cowbell who told me all these things ...but I know you guys will not believe me...

The description is 100% perfect; straight from the horse's mouth. I gbadun your analysis bros.

Empiree:
bring it on but let me tell you that you have successfully hijacked and derailed this thread

Oh I am sorry, I subconsciously followed your sunnah by diverting from the actual discussion.

Empiree:
a white boy rather. My bad. At the end of the day it makes no difference. Anyways for fact that I waited 14 years to tell says a lot. I don't care what anyone thinks.

You are speaking as if you are narrating an hadith without any chain of narration. Who is there to confirm this story and how can a small white boy determine your level of intelligence? If the small boy is a black boy would you have mentioned him to have praised your level of intelligence? I wonder how you speak at times.

The issue I want to reemphasize is that the sunni condemnation of the ashura festival is the admission of guilt and also I saw no reason why the bloody procession has to be practiced outside the Arabian peninsula where the event took place. I understand the barbaric nature of the ashura festival but it is their way of remembering the atrocities of the sahabas against the family of your prophet. It was through the ashura festival that most of us learnt what happened and how Islam split into the sunni and the shia camps.

Empiree:
I knew this. Hahaha see I'm very smart. A white man told me 14yrs ago that I am very smart. you have studied Christianity and you have realized it is nothing but scam That's why you are here to play tricks with us. I have been wondering why you are relatively quiet lately about Christianity. I have long suspected you. Here we go today

You are very childish telling me that a white man told you are very smart. A smart person does not praise himself; other people do your appraisal.

Back to the issue, I tried as much as I can to broaden my knowledge on certain issues so that I can talk and never be bamboozled. How does Islam make sense than other religion? Is it the promotion of slavery by mohammed or the forceful imposition of Islam on the weak and the defenseless (quran 9:28-30)? You said Islam is not scam, I laugh in Chinese. My next post is to help you highlight the scams in Islam.

ok

Empiree:
I know it pains you so much because you have lost everything about Christianity so much that you are incredibly obsessed with Islam.

You are saying it is none of youruba Muslims business and then next time your want to speak about Islam your start bringing this issues up in the future. Don't worry, I get your antics. I know you here for far too long.

I have studied Christianity enough; the next is the sunnah.

AbuTwins:
So if you and Empiree had discussed on this before why bring it up again?

I think you will bring it up next year again with someone else. Nothing will ever satisfy you.

I brought it up because it is necessary for reference purpose in this discussion.

Empiree:
Again, your antics will not work. This situation has to do with islamic history, therefore, it is We The Muslims even though it has political undertones. If a conflict has to do with Arabs only I can distinguish that from islam but you can't. So the issue to Imam Hussain Martyrdom has to do with Islam and Islamic history not just arabs.

So go and siddon

The battle of karballa is not a world war but an Islamic civil war between the household of mohammed and the household (including allies) of Abu Bakr. This game of throne has nothing to do with Yoruba or Nigeria muslims; it is the arab's internal affairs and I wonder when we blacks will get this fact. When do you think an Arab man will care about whats happening between various various tribes in Nigeria, either ideologically (like Islam) or politically. They (the arabs) do not care about you, why are you guys crying more than the bereaved? The way some ignorant christians will bother themselves on whats happening between the Jews and the Arabs. It is their problems to sort out. Your 'we' statement, I swear, is ridiculous to an arab man, they don't care about your Islam bro.

Stop thinking like a 'Bilal'.

dominion001:
40k airtime and 10k cash??

Is that not stupidity?

Why not 10k airtime and 40k cash?

This government dey always turn things upside down.

You get sense my guy.

Empiree:
what's your business with Islam history?.

What's your business with trying to link Tatbir with islamic culture?

Tatbir is not mourning but barbaric idiotic act in the name of mourning. Islam had absolutely nothing to do with that.

And finally, this is centuries old discords. We do not need any external body to tell is how to run our shows. There have been improvement within the house of Islam in recent years. Instead of sticking your nose in our affairs, how about you worry about African Christians in South Africa whose lives are in danger at the hands of local Christians?

Sorry bro, who are the 'we' here? You will sound ridiculous and strange to an Arab Muslim for a Nigerian Muslim interfering in their internal affairs. Whats your business with arab fighting each other on who will be the leader of their religion? Your statement 'We do not need any external body' makes it look as if you are part of the equation in their internal struggles for supremacy. The arabs appreciate your accepting and promoting their religion but will find it strange for a blackman saying 'We do not need any external body'. You are an external body on this matter bro, just as I am.

Empiree:
see this clown trying to create discords where there is none. I can see through your antics but guess what?. In Ghanaian accent "it is not gonna werk"

The discorded had already been created, for over 1300 years, by your fellow Arab-muslims. I am only reinforcing the position they created.

AbuTwins:
Alhamdulillah, show us the statistics of Muslims worldwide. It is 1.8 Billion. And we said roughly 2 Billion. Prove us wrong.On our classifiction, Alhamdulillah we are sincere. we classify our Hadiths based on how authentic the matn and isnads are.
Christianity has no authenticity test for their books. Words of disciples, words of unknown people, words of sinners/fool,etc are mixed up with words of Prophets, Words of God. What is the Apocrypha? have you heard of the New testament Apocrypha?

Show us the source from where you get the 1.8 billion figures, a reputable data analysis firm? You provided the information, and not me, and so it is onus on you to provide the source.

On your hadith classification, it is on record that the total number of hadith collected by Imam Bukhari is around 600,000 which was later reduced, by modern-day Muslim, to about 7,275 hadith. Which means that Muslims discarded over 92% of all the materials collected by Imam Bukhari called the hadith. If over 92% of your hadith was initially classified as fake while the remaining 7,275 is confirmed ok, how come the supposedly good hadith (7,275 hadiths) are now further classified as weak, fabricated and strong hadith? This confusion and inconsistencies can make sense to only Muslims.

AbuTwins:
Islam is special. We study both the weak, fabricated and authentic Hadith to preserve our religion in the Pristine state. But not so Christianity. Christianity was never call a religion before.

Islam is special and confusions, lies and fabrications. We have read your books and no hiding place for your lies and brainwashing.

AbuTwins:
Is the difference in a Pillar of Islam or a fundamental aspect of Islam? Some Qur'an verse can have more than one meaning and it is welcomed. Each scholar will provide authentic evidence for his own deductions.

Can you hear what you should said? That quranic verse can have more than one meaning and this also means a single quranic verse can have at least 2 to infinity meanings. This is absurd, for a supposedly clear word of allah, and can only make sense to Muslims only.

AbuTwins:
Mind you the writers of Tafsirs are humans and not angels. Over 1 Billion still take Islam seriously. Millions keep memorising the Qur'an and the Hadiths. How can you say no one is taking Islam seriously? Talk about your Christianity.

The writers of the tafsir are meant to have a better understanding of the exegeses of the quran more than an average Muslim on the street. If they cannot agree on a common interpretation of verses on the quran how can an ordinary muslim on the street claim to understand what Islam is all about. It is like the blind leading the blind. Memorizing the quran does not signify it divine nature, the same way over 300million singing, of hand, 'Billy Jean' by Michael Jackson does not make Michael Jackson songs divine. The Japanese does not memorize the quran but they are far more morally and technically better than 99% of Muslims worldwide. So whats your point exactly?

AbuTwins:
It seems you just googled out this part!

Bring out what each Tafsirs say in details and copy out the Qur'an verses 66-1-6 out for analysis.

Check my old post; Empiree and I discussed this issue early this year.

AbuTwins:
I think you need to tell us which translation of the Qur'an you are using to justify your nonsense ideology.

Here are three translations of the same verse: Bayt al Haram is the Sacred House of Makkah

MUHSIN KHAN
O you who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the Symbols of Allah, nor of the Sacred Month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlanded people or animals, etc. [Marked by the garlands on their necks made from the outer part of the tree-stems (of Makkah) for their security], nor the people coming to the Sacred House (Makkah), seeking the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when you finish the Ihram (of Hajj or 'Umrah), you may hunt, and let not the hatred of some people in (once) stopping you from Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help you one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

PICKTHALL
O ye who believe! Profane not Allah's monuments nor the Sacred Month nor the offerings nor the garlands, nor those repairing to the Sacred House, seeking the grace and pleasure of their Lord. But when ye have left the sacred territory, then go hunting (if ye will). And let not your hatred of a folk who (once) stopped your going to the inviolable place of worship seduce you to transgress; but help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty. Help not one another unto sin and transgression, but keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is severe in punishment.





Apparently the site you copied this from are as ignorant and erroneous as you.
Once again Bayt in Arabic means House. And the house here is Ka'bah in Makkah.

MUHSIN KHAN
And (remember) when We showed Ibrahim (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, [La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Islamic Monotheism], and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to Allah), and make prostration (in prayer, etc.);"

PICKTHALL
And (remember) when We prepared for Abraham the place of the (holy) House, saying: Ascribe thou no thing as partner unto Me, and purify My House for those who make the round (thereof) and those who stand and those who bow and make prostration.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And [mention, O Muhammad], when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, [saying], "Do not associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who stand [in prayer] and those who bow and prostrate.



What does Messiah mean?

Dictionary says:

noun
1.
the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2.
a leader regarded as the savior of a particular country, group, or cause.

So if Jesus is the Messiah then did he come only to deliver the Jewish nation as in 1 above or as a saviur of the lost sheep of Israel as in 2 above?

Muhammad as well as Jesus are Prophet and Messenger as the Qur'an says Allah appointed them as Messengers.
The Scripture given to Jesus was Injeel.

Your Bible claim Jesus read the Torah in the Synagogue.

You seem to deliberately avoided this point:

It is shocking when muslims accused others of disunity when they cant even agree on what is written in their own books. 10 different scholars with ten different interpretation of Islamic religious text. 5 different tafsir with 5 different interpretations. The tafsir of Ibn kathir and the tafsir of Jelalyn diametricxally disagreed on quran 66:1. If you own tafsir can disagreed and your hadith also disagreed on the event that led to quran 66:1, how do you want anyone to take Islam serious?

AbuTwins:
I am greatly bewildered to read this. God saw the mistakes in the law He made and decided to create another law right?

This reminds me of God repenting.
Does God repent?

Twice the Bible says that God repented for something he had done in the past (Genesis 6:6-7 and 1 Samuel 15:11), and at least eleven times it says he repented or would repent of something he was about to do in the future (Exodus 32:12-14; 2 Samuel 24:16; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Psalm 106:45; Jeremiah 4:28; 18:8; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13-14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:9-10; 4:2).

Nevertheless, the Bible also says that God will not repent. For example, Psalm 110:4 says,

The Lord has sworn; he will not repent: “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
And Ezekiel 24:14 says,

I, the Lord, have spoken; it shall come to pass, I will do it, I will not go back, I will not spare, I will not repent; according to your ways and your doings I will judge you, says the Lord God.” (See Jeremiah 4:27-28.)

What do you think?

2. Why reference to Israel/Judah/Egypt? Are you from these provinces?

AbuTwins, you are now using Empiree's template; divert and avoid the issue at hand. What we are discussing is 'striving to follow the sunnah'. I will address your concern please keep to the topic.

AbuTwins:
So inadvertently, the law that was not to be abolished was then abolished due to an unforeseen reason. Fine. Does God lack foresight?

Also it was an eye for an eye before. But Jesus said turn the other cheek for another slap. Why was this abolished too?

The new testament dispensation replaced the old covenant. God saw the difficiency in the law and decided to make a new covenant with the house of Jacob. The old covenant was a shadow of thing to come which was made manifest after the appearance of the holy 'son of man':

Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
— Jeremiah 31:31–34 (the prophecy).

But now Jesus has obtained a superior ministry, since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
— Hebrews 8:6–13 (the manifestation)

AbuTwins:
Na'am bro, i had to use a lesser figure cos i know they can start an argument with that. We have roughly 2 Billion muslims worldwide out of which i believe 50% would recite Fatiha daily.

Muslims and fake statistics are like bread and butter. Where do you get the '2billion' muslims figure? Is it inclusive of the Muslims from the time of mohammed till date? Anyway, I am not shocked. A religion that categorized their religious text, the hadith, into weak, strong and fabricated (and the fabricated, the weak and the stong still found in the same volume or spiral bind) can and should never be taken seriously by rational people.

AbuTwins:
Christianity has been rebranded and it keeps getting rebranded. They have no constitution. And the holy spirit they claim keeps separating them. The Bible as it is today has immense issues both with its isnad and matn.
You will see them arguing over a simple thing as "is Alcohol permissible in Christianity" and similar issues.

It is shocking when muslims accused others of disunity when they cant even agree on what is written in their own books. 10 different scholars with ten different interpretation of Islamic religious text. 5 different tafsir with 5 different interpretations. The tafsir of Ibn kathir and the tafsir of Jelalyn diametricxally disagreed on quran 66:1. If you own tafsir can disagreed and your hadith also disagreed on the event that led to quran 66:1, how do you want anyone to take Islam serious?

Empiree:
There is nothing devout about these clowns. This is a misguided practice and has basis.

Their scholars have warned them about this nonesense before. Those countries simply need to sign strong legislation to criminalize this idiocy

They will continue to do it in remembrance of the atrocity the house of Abu Bakr committed against the house of your prophet. The house of Abu Bakr, and most of the so-called sahabas, killed and destroyed the legacy your prophet built, killed his household, and you want them to forget and move on. Ashura is here to stay until the sunnis apologize to the shia for their crime against humanity.

What benefit is this fruit to this people?


Saudi will send $200million to build Wahabbi styled mosques to indoctrinate the locals and prepare them for chaos in the near future while sending a fuit that has little benefits to the people for consumption



Show me one Industry or Housing Estate Saudi Arabia has built for the North. None. They will rather fund terror groups like BH to further their Sunni Wahhabbi agenda

Saudi Arabia to build factories? Never happened and will not happen. They would rather build mosques for more converts and brainwashing of the locals for future hajj customers.

AbuTwins:
Jesus forbid divorce. But Moses Permitted it. I taught Jesus never came to abolish the law but to fulfill it?

Jesus said 'divorce was permitted because of the hardness of human heart'. In the beginning it is not according to God's plan for couple to divorce and Jesus came to reinforce that position. Christ came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it and what does it mean to fulfill the law? To bring the law according to God's plans and desires and not according to His (God's) permissive will. God hates divorce but permitted it because of the hatred and hardness in the heart of a man.

Empiree:
Sorry bro, this doesn't make sense bcuz you dont apply any biblical laws. You go to secular court or common law to dissolve marriage. And your so called "church marriage" is still secular .So it is irrelevant to quote Jesus when in reality you dont follow him.

Secular court is meant to accommodate all, irrespective of your religious affiliation. There is nothing like 'church marriage' in the bible. What the bible recognized is traditional marriage because 'church marriage' is bida or innovation. And you know that both the Christians and the Muslims do traditional wedding according to ones customs and tradition. I seriously dont understand your point here.

AbuTwins:
OK. That's your own delusion.

1 Billion keep reciting it over 17times daily and has memorised it. The seven oft-repeated verses. I think you are jealous. This is unlike the lord's prayer or Psalm 23 that is going extinct.

The number of people reciting it does not mean nothing because over 80% of humanity never recited it and nothing have changed. My contention here is that it was not allah that spoke in surah alfathiha, while muslim claimed that the quran contains 100% the words of allah. How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? Bro, it makes no sense to over 80% of humanity that never accepted Islam but your delusions will sure make sense to you.