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AbuTwins:
This is one thing you are fond of. You use your reasoning to interpret. How do you think Allah should have revealed His book?

Oya Muslims Pray like this: as in the Lords prayer which most of your churches has dumped?

Anyways the Hadith has been used to explain your confusion. done with this.

Let me not dwell much on this, it is very clear that it was not Allah that spoke in surah alfathiha. You can do your intellectual gymnastics to explain it away, the fact still remains that alfathia below is not the word of any God but a man praying to his God.

(1) In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

(2) Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds[mankind, jinn and all that exist]

(3) The Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

(4) Master of the Day of Judgment

(5) Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek

(6) Show us the straight path (Islam)

(7) The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace (Muslims), those whose (portion) is not wrath (the Jews), and who go not astray (the Christians).

Since you are not sincere, I need an objective mind to tell me who is talking in the surah above. If for the benefit of the doubt, I remotely agreed that it was Allah speaking in surah alfathiha, it is like me writing a letter to myself and it makes no sense.

Empiree:
Being Arab is not hujjah for Islam

In many Arab countries a child born today is officially registered as a Muslim. Saudi Arabia has this as a state policy. The saudis doesn't accept conversion from Islam to another region, it is even a criminal offense to do that as a Saudi citizen. So it is very safe to say that the Arabs and Islam are like 5 & 6. It is their culture, their way of life.

The Arabs, till today, regard the Blacks as 'Abd' (meaning slaves) the same way the racist whites regard blacks as negroes or Nigga. While a Blackman can sue a whiteman for using a derogatory term (Negro), a black man can't sue any Arab man for calling him an 'Abd' because the prophet of Islam also identified the black people as :Abd'. No sharia court will entertain the case.

Empiree:
How do you divorce a wife in CHRISTIANity according to Jesus?. Please answer this.

My post was not based on interpretation but text. You only quoted one hadith and then arrived at your conclusion. Even Umar (ra)'s triple Talaq was conditioned. As always you have a mission. Again, triple Talaq means there are rules, space and time within each Talaq in a sitting. You can believe what you want to believe.

The only instance divorce is allowed in Christianity, as Jesus commanded, is if formication is involved. If a woman is sleeping outside or the man is having an extramarital affairs, it is spiritually ok for either party to seek divorce if they can't reconcile and forgive each other. According to Jesus, if either party remarries after the divorce it amounts to adultery; both are expected, going by new testament laws, to remain single after the divorce.

You said I quoted only 1 hadith to validate my position, that's true. A lot number of times Muslims have quoted only 1 hadith, without any chain of narration, to validate an argument, especially if their point is favorable to Allah and his messenger but when it goes against Allah and his messenger, it becomes a 'weak or fabricated' hadith. This is hypocrisy!

Empiree:
was he not human being?. My post is clear. It is not debatable, friend.

Your assumption here is that the position of Omar, one of the closest companion of the prophet and the 2nd rightly guided khalifa, must have made a mistake on the issue of the 3talak. If Omar was only human, Mohammed was also human and equally made mistakes on this matter. You seem to understand Islam more than 500million Muslims who still adhere to the principle of 3talak. The fact is that,whichever way you wanna spin it, the 3talak, going by the hadith, is that of sunnah but can be subjected to various interpretations. I have seen first hand where marriages were annulled simply by saying 3talaks.

AbuTwins:
This is the words of Allah teaching us how to praise Him, exalt Him, Glorify Him,...


Allaah, The Lord & creator of Jesus and Muhammad was the one speaking.

There is nowhere al-fathiha indicated teaching Muslims how to pray; this is your interpretation to the surah. Allah could have made it clear that you should pray that way but he never did. The buttomline is al-fathiha was written by man as a prayer, to allah, which shows that the quran is nothing but the work of the medieval Arabs. There is no way you can tell anyone that the quran is the word of allah while the beginning, of the quran, was a prayer of a man to allah and still wants people to believe that allah was the one speaking in surah alfathiha. This can only make sense to you. The best you can do is to explain away this issue by invoking an hadith, a typical escape route.

AbuTwins:
I don't get you. If it was not a Prophecy then what were they waiting for in the hadith above?

The Romans ware fighting with the Persians and the later was winning.
The Qur'an predicted that Romans would win in the stated years time.

And that happened!

The hadith reads:

Narrated Niyar bin Mukram Al-Aslami:
"When (the following) was revealed: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious in Bid' years (30:1-4).' (al-tirmidi Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3194)

The hadith said the roman had been defeated before the verse was revealed. It is never a prophecy to tell me what had already happened. It is not a prophecy to use a probabilistic event to make a prophecy since the battle between the Persians and the Romans had been swinging from one belligerent to another. And since the quran gave a probable time the Romans with eventually win, is their any secular history to collaborate that claim? Can this event be found in a place like Encyclopedia Britannica or any reputable source outside the quran to collaborate the quranic claims?

As I said earlier, the prophecy you claimed to have fulfilled is not different from what people like T.B Joshua will say today; basing prediction on probability.

AbuTwins:
This is the words of Allah teaching us how to praise Him, exalt Him, Glorify Him,...


Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah Almighty said: I have divided prayer between myself and my servant into two halves, and my servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says ‘all praise is due to Allah the Lord of the worlds,’ Allah says: My servant has praised me. When he says ‘the Gracious, the Merciful,’ Allah says: My servant has exalted me. When he says ‘the Master of the Day of Judgment,’ Allah says: My servant has glorified me and my servant has submitted to me. When he says ‘you alone we worship, you alone we ask for help,’ Allah says: This is between me and my servant, and my servant will have what he has asked for. When he says ‘guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom you have favored, not those who went astray,’ Allah says: This is for my servant, and my servant will have what he has asked for.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 395

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Muslim

My question is this: who is speaking in quran 1:1-7 (al-fathiha)? Your response is very vague and never straightforward. Is it allah that said, in the quran, 'In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds'...If the quran is the word of allah, how can he say that, speaking in a third person?

true2god:
The quote below caught my attention and I think I need to get it clarified. This is never a prophecy becuae the incident had already occurred before the so-called revelation. Please dont make it look as if allah and T.B Joshua are competing for who is the best in terms of giving fake prophecies. See your post and check out the corresponding hadith that nullified your claim.

The Quran foretold many matters of the unseen and made several prophecies that were all fulfilled exactly as they were foretold. For example, the Persians defeated the Byzantines in one of their battles and the Quran recorded this defeat foretelling that the Byzantines would defeat the Persians within three to nine years and this is what actually happened. Allah, The Exalted, Says (what means): [b]{The Byzantines have been defeated * In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome. * Within three to nine years.} [Quran 30: 2-4][/b]

Narrated Niyar bin Mukram Al-Aslami:
"When (the following) was revealed: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious in Bid' years (30:1-4).' - on the day that these Ayat were revealed, the Persians had defeated the Romans, and the Muslims had wanted the Romans to be victorious over them, because they were the people of the Book. So Allah said about that: 'And on that day, the believers will rejoice - with the help of Allah. He helps whom He wills, and He is the Almighty, the Most Merciful (30:4 & 5). The Quraish wanted the Persians to be victorious since they were not people of the Book, nor did they believe in the Resurrection. So when Allah revealed these Ayat, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq, may Allah be pleased with him, went out, proclaiming throughout Makkah: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious, in Bid' years (30:1-4).' Some of the Quraish said: 'Then this is (a bet) between us and you. Your companion claims that the Romans will defeat the Persians in Bid' years, so why have have a bet on that between us and you?' Abu Bakr said: 'Yes.' This was before betting has been forbidden. So Abu Bakr and the idolaters made a bet, and they said to Abu Bakr: 'What do you think - Bid' means something between three and nine years, so let us agree on the middle.' So they agreed on six years; Then six years passed without the Romans being victorious. The idolaters took what they won in the bet from Abu Bakr. When the seventh year came and the Romans were finally victorious over the Persians, the Muslims rebuked Abu Bakr for agreeing to six years. He said: 'Because Allah said: 'In Bid' years.' At that time, many people became Muslims."
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3194

And again if you take a closer look at this hadith, the narrator confirmed that the battle was swinging from one people to another (the persian and the byzantine won and lost many battles because it was prolonged).

So using a stalement in a battle as a prophecy to confirm the validity of the quran is ridiculous. The 'prophecy', with respect to what al-tirmidi penned down as narrated by Niyar bin Mukram Al-Aslami was never a prophecy becauise the issue had occured before the revelation. It is like T.B Joshua saying there will be xenophobic attack in SA, and later it will stop for a while and will start again while the issue is in progress. Read the hadith i referenced closely and carefully.

AbuTwins:
The Noble Quran is the eternal miracle of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) because all the miracles of the Prophets, May Allah Exalt their mention, ended with their death, except our Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) whose miracle is still preserved. This everlasting miracle is The Book of Allah and His Revealed Speech that {Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it} [Quran 41:42]
Allah, The Almighty, Confirms this fact, when He Says (what means):
• {And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Words of Allah.} [Quran 9:6]
• {Those who remained behind will say when you set out toward the war booty to take it, "Let us follow you." They wish to change the Words of Allah.} [Quran 48:15]

Those two verses prove that the Quran is the Words and Speech of Allah, The Almighty, that He Has Revealed to His Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention). Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullaah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported that the Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention) used to invite people to Islam during the Hajj season and would say, “Who are willing to give me asylum so that I can convey the Speech of my Lord, for the Quraysh have prevented me from conveying the Speech of my Lord.” [At-Tirmithi and Ahmad]

Hence, the Quran is the Speech of Allah as unanimously agreed upon by all Muslims.
This fact is supported by several logical and tangible pieces of evidence including the following:
- The polytheists failed to produce a single verse, let alone a single Chapter, or a whole book like the Quran despite the fact that they were utterly determined and extremely motivated to oppose and falsify the call of the Prophet sallallaahu`alayhi wa sallam (may Allah exalt his mention). Furthermore, we must remember that they were the masters of the Arabic language, in which the Quran was revealed. Certainly, this constitutes a definitive proof that the Quran is the Speech of Allah, The Lord of The Worlds, not that of humans.
- The Quran foretold many matters of the unseen and made several prophecies that were all fulfilled exactly as they were foretold. For example, the Persians defeated the Byzantines in one of their battles and the Quran recorded this defeat foretelling that the Byzantines would defeat the Persians within three to nine years and this is what actually happened. Allah, The Exalted, Says (what means): {The Byzantines have been defeated * In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome. * Within three to nine years.} [Quran 30: 2-4]
- The Quran includes many miraculous scientific facts that were only discovered fourteen centuries later. For example, the Quran told us about a barrier separating the salty water from the fresh water not to mix with each other. Allah, The Exalted, Says (what means): {He Released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; * Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses.} [Quran 55:19,20]

After about fourteen centuries, modern science confirmed this scientific fact.
- When one reads the Book of Allah, he goes into a state of peace and tranquility unlike the human speeches or writings. Allah, The Exalted, Says (what means): {Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of Allah. Unquestionably, by the remembrance of Allah hearts are assured."} [Quran 13:28]
- The Quran is also a cure and it expels the devils when it is recited. Allah, The Almighty, Says (what means): {And We send down of the Quran that which is healing and mercy for the believers...} [Quran 17:82]

Of course, it is almost impossible to list all the evidences that prove that the Quran is the Speech of Allah in this article; however, we will conclude with the words of Al-Waleed ibn Al-Mugheerah, who was one of the senior leaders of the polytheists of Quraysh, about the Quran. He said, “What can I say? Whether it is about prose or poetry, or the poems of the Jinns, I possess greater knowledge than any other man. By God! The words spoken by this man cannot be compared with any of the others. By God, his words possess a charming sweetness and a particular beauty. The branches of his speech are laden with fruit while its roots are firmly entrenched in the soil from whence it proceeds. It is superior to all other discourses, and it is not possible for any other discourse to show it in poor light. For a surety it will conquer anything that comes under its own influence!” [Al-Haakim and Al-Bayhaqi]

This is the Quran, the Speech of Allah that has been challenging humankind and proving its inability to produce something to its effect as to its eloquence, wise judgments, and authentic news. The challenge is still valid, and the inability of mankind to face that challenge remains. Thus, the Quran will remain the everlasting Argument of Allah, The Almighty, against all opponents and disbelievers.
The Qur'an is learnt by heart by millions of Muslims worldwide.

Islamweb.net

The quote below caught my attention and I think I need to get it clarified. This is never a prophecy becuae the incident had already occurred before the so-called revelation. Please dont make it look as if allah and T.B Joshua are competing for who is the best in terms of giving fake prophecies. See your post and check out the corresponding hadith that nullified your claim.

The Quran foretold many matters of the unseen and made several prophecies that were all fulfilled exactly as they were foretold. For example, the Persians defeated the Byzantines in one of their battles and the Quran recorded this defeat foretelling that the Byzantines would defeat the Persians within three to nine years and this is what actually happened. Allah, The Exalted, Says (what means): [b]{The Byzantines have been defeated * In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will overcome. * Within three to nine years.} [Quran 30: 2-4][/b]

Narrated Niyar bin Mukram Al-Aslami:
"When (the following) was revealed: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious in Bid' years (30:1-4).' - on the day that these Ayat were revealed, the Persians had defeated the Romans, and the Muslims had wanted the Romans to be victorious over them, because they were the people of the Book. So Allah said about that: 'And on that day, the believers will rejoice - with the help of Allah. He helps whom He wills, and He is the Almighty, the Most Merciful (30:4 & 5). The Quraish wanted the Persians to be victorious since they were not people of the Book, nor did they believe in the Resurrection. So when Allah revealed these Ayat, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq, may Allah be pleased with him, went out, proclaiming throughout Makkah: 'Alif Lam Mim. The Romans have been defeated. In the nearest land, and they, after their defeat, will be victorious, in Bid' years (30:1-4).' Some of the Quraish said: 'Then this is (a bet) between us and you. Your companion claims that the Romans will defeat the Persians in Bid' years, so why have have a bet on that between us and you?' Abu Bakr said: 'Yes.' This was before betting has been forbidden. So Abu Bakr and the idolaters made a bet, and they said to Abu Bakr: 'What do you think - Bid' means something between three and nine years, so let us agree on the middle.' So they agreed on six years; Then six years passed without the Romans being victorious. The idolaters took what they won in the bet from Abu Bakr. When the seventh year came and the Romans were finally victorious over the Persians, the Muslims rebuked Abu Bakr for agreeing to six years. He said: 'Because Allah said: 'In Bid' years.' At that time, many people became Muslims."
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3194

AbuTwins:
Ahad means One and only! One plural does not exist in Islam and English.

Whatever we do three times was legislated to be done three times. In some there maybe are other options! Like marrying up to 4 wives.

According to muslims, the quran is the word of allah from A - Z; no human words or input are contained in the quran. Well lets look at surah Alfathiha (the opener) to confirm if TRULY the quran is the word of allah:

QURAN 1:1-7: In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds, the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgment.You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help. Guide us along the Straight Path,the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.

Who is the one speaking in the quranic verses above?

Rashduct4luv:
It may be useless in Christianity but not in Islam. The religion of Islam explains even the rudiments of the Islamic tradition.


You know your religion has no code of conduct. Anything goes. So far as you do it for Jesus. How do you Praise/worship the Lord according to Jesus? How do you fast? When do you fast? How do you dress? Unity of worship is zero. etc.

Did Jesus ever sang, dance or clap to music in the Bible? But apparently he had to put his face to the ground in worship.

There has been so much debates in the Churches on many of issues hence the differences in varieties of the Protestant churches. I remember you are the one mentioning Sahih translation of the Qur'an. But as usual hypocrisy will let you overlook the over 40 different translations of the Bible in English.

So in summary i will reiterate this to you. You don't determine what part of our religion fits in the 21st century for us. We have a constitution in Islam which we follow. Expend your energy on the loopholes in your religion.

You see, being dogmatic does not mean one righteous or religious. Mecca/Kaaba is about 5,000km from Nigeria and will be purely irrational to build a place of convenience (Toilet or bathroom) in a certain way so as to respect a religious site in far away Arabia. Remember, we are still dealing with 'striving to follow the sunnah'.

Empiree:
Nope, it is not binding at all. Umar, in a few cases, ruled the saying of talaq three times in one go as final and annulled the marriage. But he would also flog such men as deterrent punishment. This helped in curbing instances of saying talaq at one go. Certainly, Umar's practice was not a Sharia law. His step was rather an example of hukm al-hakim, or an executive order. His annulment of marriage in cases where men said talaq three times in one go was an exercise of the discretionary power of a ruler. Such executive orders are applicable to particular cases and do not have the status of Sharia law or general rule.

Do you know that Omar is the most intelligent and mostinfluential among the sahabas? Do you know that Omar is well respected such that some of his advise, to the prophet, were revealed as part of the quran? You cannot discount his input in the development of the Islamic thought. It was Omar's input on the quran (9:29) that led to the formulation of the 'pact of Omar'. If Omar granted the '3talak', you can never discount it as not being part of the sunnah of the prophet.

Rashduct4luv:
This is a Sunnah with setting. The toilets then are usually in open spaces. The toilets today have doors and walls hence not applicable.
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But it's still advisable to build loos not facing the Qibla out of respect for our direction of worship.

So building a toilet backing or facing the kaaba is disrespectful; this is strange and equally irrational. What you do here is to reinterpret the hadith which expressly forbade building toilet facing and backing the kabba. So the whole world, according to you and in order to respect the arabs and allah, must design or re-design their toilets so that it doesnt face the qibla. This is a supremacist and crazy sunnah bro which is useless in this 21st century.

Empiree:
I have told you that you don't understand 3 Talaq. It is not pronounced in a sitting. It takes time because there are other considerations you failed to acknowledge with respect to women. I will implore you to stop hate and read Sharia policy from different sources on this issue before you jump the gun.

I remembered when I was a kid my uncles, dad and other imams were discussing this issue and they said Talaq is not I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you and then you send her packing. That's not how it works bro. Whoever you see do that is following his whim.

If this is the case, why is the sunnah of the prophet on this issue of 3talak so confusing and complex that for over 1200years, the ummah had been trying to determine how to manage the 3talak issue? It is not about hate pointing out the issue of 3talak but an attempt to protect women whose emotion and life had been negatively affected by this policy. In many countries the 3talak is still constitutional and are being enforced.

Empiree:
I have told you that you don't understand 3 Talaq. It is not pronounced in a sitting. It takes time because there are other considerations you failed to acknowledge with respect to women. I will implore you to stop hate and read Sharia policy from different sources on this issue before you jump the gun.

I remembered when I was a kid my uncles, dad and other imams were discussing this issue and they said Talaq is not I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you and then you send her packing. That's not how it works bro. Whoever you see do that is following his whim.

Thanks for the rational conversation. I will revisit Nairaland by Friday. You try but.....

Empiree:
a wife has right to divorce. You don't know about Hadith. So it is irrelevant to drag this with a school boy

Sheikh Imran Hussein, an Islamic scholars briefly narrated his matrimonial issue years ago that his first wife sought divorce without any real reason and he let her have her way. That's, scholarship, maturity and understanding of religion. He later found out she was just tired of marriage. She's still not marry again.

Yes I know that women have the right to divorce, but my question is 'are they (women) also entitled to the 3talak policy', according to the sunnah of the prophet?

Empiree:
what's the rest?. You have motives and no matter what I say will fall in your deaf ears. I have just told you that 3 Talaq is not simultaneously pronounced in a single setting. You also failed to consider other Sharia obligations with regards to divorce. You quoted isolated Hadith and you wanted to derive meaning from that.

At least try to be fair to yourself.

The so-called isolated hadith is sahih so it has a great authority. As for 3talak, is it also applicable to the women? Can the women say the 3talak to divorce their husband?

Rashduct4luv:
True2god is a bigoted Christian who will never see anything good in Islam. Some people are so devilish that all they look for in life are devils like them.
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Some Sunnah are to be followed in an Islamic state. Some Sunnahs are general while others have a particular setting!
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Talaq mentioned three times counts as one and is revocable. The wife still goes through the waiting period in the husbands house...
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At least you mentioned some countries practicing some forms of Sunnah. Which country uses the OT or NT as their sole constitution?
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Why not mention General Sunnahs like 5times daily prayers. Fasting in Ramadan, Zakat. Etc.

Sunnah is sunnah, both the rational and the irrational ones. Once you admit that some sunnah of the prophet are very irrational then we will negotiate but for now I will concentrate on the sunnahs that suit me. This is another funny sunnah:

Narrated Abu Aiyub Al-Ansari: The Prophet said, “While defecating, neither face nor turn your back to the Qibla but face either east or west.” Abu Aiyub added. “When we arrived in Sham we came across some lavatories facing the Qibla; therefore we turned ourselves while using them and asked for Allah’s forgiveness.” (Sahih Bukhari 1:8:388).

So before a muslim use the toilet, he must have a compass, according to the sunnah, so that he doesn't face or back the kaaba. This is one of the sunnah that a pious muslim must follow religiously.

Empiree:
You are ólódó. You just don't understand what you quoted. 3 Talaq is not pronounced 3 times in a single sitting. This case was treated dinner I was a child. However, men will always be men when they wanna be selfish. 3 Talaq stretches for long periods of time at different times. Those Asian subcontinent have issues

The pakistanis and the Saudis do not understand the concept of 3talak but you do but never bothered to fully explain the rational and its importance in a marital and social relationship. Anyway, the issue of the 3talak is not the only sunnah of the prophet that does not make sense, how about the rest that I listed?

Empiree:
what do you understand about "3 talaq"?. Can you explain to us?

See below one of the hadith that validated this sunnah of the prophet:

Sahih Muslim 9:3493

Abu al-Sahba' said to Ibn 'Abbas: Enlighten us with your information whether the three divorces (pronounced at one and the same time) were not treated as one during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr.

He said: It was in fact so, but when during the caliphate of 'Umar (Allah be pleased with him) people began to pronounce divorce frequently, he allowed them to do so (to treat pronouncements of three divorces in a single breath as one).

A Muslim man merely telling his wife: 'Talaq! Talaq!! Talaq!!!' is enough for the man to divorce his wife in line with the sunnah of the prophet. He can say it via text message, Facebook, twitter or Instagram, the intention remains the same: I DIVORCE YOU.

nemesis8u:
Don't post false info

In India triple talak is banned and carries a 5 year jail term.

Soon sharia will be banned too , under uniform civil code law , every citizen irrespective of their religion will be bound by one law only

Allahu Akbar! I don't know that India has finally banned 3talak, one of the sunnah of the prophet. Two years ago it was being debated in their national assembly. Good news for India and bad news for the ummah. Saudi Arabia will never ban 3talak; they would rather remain barbarians than abandoning any sunnah.

Empiree:
my posts are meant to put in check. I ask again, tell us which muslim nation practice what you mentioned?. If they don't, just as much as you also have shamelessly abandoned your old ways which doesn't conform with modern norm, then you have no reason to criticize Islam. You chose and pick Sunnah you wish to criticize. That's too bad.

India Muslims, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, etc still practice triple talak, wife beating in accordance with the sunnah (Quran 4:34), hating the kafir, wearing trousers according to sunnah, keeping long beards according to the sunnah and even darkening the forehead as a sign of religious piety, also according to the sunnah of the prophet.

And as for asking the kafir to pay the jjzya and taking them as slaves and sex slaves, the ummah cannot fulfil this sunnah because the kafirs are now more powerful (militarily) than the ummah.

All sunnah is sunnnah because the sunnah of the Islamic prophet has no old testament or new testament sunnah hence they are belong to the same category.

Empiree:
You should be asking yourself why your are so concerned about Islam and it's Sunnah?. Sunnah your are trying to relegate we practiced by ancient Christianity as well. So what's your point?. Who outside what you mentioned today?.

Kettle says pot is black, abeg, what difference does it make. Go back to your Christian Sunnah in the first pic

We are talking about 'striving to follow the sunnah' and you are diverting issues as if you just got a job at LASTMA. Tell us the benefits of the sunnah in 2019 or keep kwayet.

Empiree:
and this dude abandoned Jesus Sunnah in the old testament but trying to frustrate muslims. I wonder why you abandoned your biblical Sharia laws. Too shameful to apply them in modern era?

We are talking about the sunnah of the Islamic prophet and not the sunnah of Jesus. You have started again with your diversion. Face the topic bro and tell us how the sunnah is still relevant in this robotic age.

AlBaqir:
How's Sunnah not applicable in this modern era?

These are the few reasons:

1). Collecting jizya from the dhimmi (Quran 9:29).

2). Forbidding the dhimmi from repairing old churches or building new ones.

3). Drinking camel urine to solve malaria problems are prescribed by the holy prophet.

4). Beating wives to maintain domestic discipline (Quran 4:34).

5). Wearing trousers not touching the angle; a common practice among the 'tabliqs'.

6). Triple talak to divorce a Muslim woman.

7). Taking sex slaves slaves and transacting on slaves.

. Fighting for the sake of Allah and his messenger.

9). Hating the infidels for the sake for Allah. etc.

There are more I can't highlight now for the sake of time and convenience.

Ndlistic:
Nigerian Muslim Clerics Seen Dancing Naira Marley's Soapy Dance!!!

These are funky Alfas who give no damn to any sunnah.

The so-called sunnah is no longer applicable in this modern era. You cannot live the life of an illiterate arab man in this 21st century.

Mustsucceed:
Darling ,make no mistake ,Muslims are never tenants .

So the muslim migrants own Norway (the landlord in this case) while the muslim ladies (the tenants in this case) are the owners of Norway. You guys should stop this supremacist mindset that makes others to hate you. A muslim friend of mine, who migrated to Austria some 4 years back, was very shocked with the way the Austrian kafir (christians and atheist) treated him very nicely and showed him love. What did he do? He wasn't happy because they are not muslims and he made up his mind to skip school and start doing dawah to convert the Austrians to Islam. When hunger 'hammered' in school and was about to be deported, he jettisoned his evil idea and started living a normal life to survive in Austria. Muslims hardly appreciate any good the kafir do to them just as mohammed did not appreciate the good the meccan polytheist did to him before he plotted to overthrew them and intalled islam on the population. Muslims are generally ungrateful hence no one trust them again even if they are sincere.

Mustsucceed:
The apology should come from the prince not the mosque Islam has been existing for over a thousand years before he was born so HE SHOULD HAVE KNOW OUR LAWS.

also he should fire his protocol officer it was the job of the officer to have reminded him on do' and dont's

Every political officer ,royalty member is coached on the norms and customs of the area he is visiting so whose fault is it if he wasn't ?

Yes, as a supremacist muslim, the landlord (the Prince here) SHOULD HAVE KNOW YOUR LAWS (the tenants muslims) before coming to the house of the landlord. The landlord should have understood the value systems of the tenant before accommodating the tenant. Can you see how foolish this logic is?

Afonja007:
go to saudi arabia and practice your religion as you want or rather go to afganistan pakistan Somalia this countries pratice undiluted Islam,Saudi Arabia refused church to be build in their country then these useless women will not go to saudi

Hijra (migration) is part of Islamic religion whereby they (muslim ummah) migrate to the land of the kafir for future conquest (politically, demographically or militarily). The religion and culture that migrate most is the Arab cuture and religion.