₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
I didn't quote you verbatim. I simply paraphrased your intention to which you agreed that slavery existed before Prophet muhammad. My point is, for the fact that it was not abolish till Prophet muhammad came it means Jews and CHRISTIANs did not abolish slavery.

You 'paraphrased' what I said to give it a completely different meaning and that is dishonesty.

Empiree:
You are being skillful by asking for evidence from your sources. We discussed this with you and ifean some 5 yrs ago that why did slavery disappear from New Testament when it is clearly written is Old Testament and then skipped and reappeared in the time of muhammad?. This is hanky panky.

How is making a simple request being 'skillful'? You will behonest by simply saying 'slavery is never recognized in the new testament scripture'. The romans empire, under the occupoation of Jerusalem in the 50BC to 45AD did not place emphasy of slavery but on colonoization hence it can be said to also have influence on the early muslim community. The europeans went into wholesale and massive slavery when there was a doubt on the human status of black people among the whites and the arabs. Many arabs and europeans doubted if black people were fully human hence did not have moral suation to stop the over 200 years of trans-atlantic slave trade. The european enslavement of black were borne out of economic exploitation of black people while the arab sub-sahara slave trade was born out of religious conviction.

Empiree:
If slavery existed during Jewish reign and during Jesus time why didn't historians pen slave trades in New Testament?. Why did Paul, Peter, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John make references to it when it was obvious they lived during slave era?. It means it wasn't in their best interest.

You cannot make a claim that you are sure of. Let me, for the benefit of the doubt, accept that there was slavery during jesus' era. Unlike mohammed, Jesus never asked his disciples to be attacking 'the infidels' and taking them captives (quran 4:24, quran 8:1).

Empiree:
You can quote Islamic sources all you want. At least there are sincerity that Prophet muhammad (saw) arrived to see slave trade. He didn't start it. He had to deal with what you started. You can not pull this off.

Of course you cant deny that your prophet was a slave merchant; you only want to cement his action by pulling the Jews and the christian into the same evil/error.

Empiree:
You need to give us reason why Bible writers, especially New Testament overwhelmingly skipped slave stories?. This is what I asked you guy 5 yrs ago but you all ignored. So don't ask me to prove slavery from your Christian sources because one of the menaces attributed to Bible is slavery. You can not undo this history

I have no authoirty to do that because since christ never took or own slaves, or any of his sahabas (real men/disciples), it is fair to say that the sunnah of Jesus didnt support or encourage slavery.

Empiree:
This is all I needed. The rest of your ranting is baseless. Now that you have admittedly posted the fact that Jews and CHRISTIANS started trading slaves and they did not abolish it for hundreds of years, we can now begin the process of getting your senses to order, slowly.

First, since you have admitted this fact, you have absolutely no right to speak on Islam and muslims because it was phenomenal you created and you are putting the blame on the one who came much after you?. Your logic is flawed.

So let's begin with Jews first, then to CHRISTIANITY how they started slavery and left the damn thing hanging for Prophet Muhammad (saw) to deal with. For the fact that you have been brainwashed to overlook Jews and Christians inequities on slavery doesn't exonerate you

The was my response below:

The Christians and the Jews did not abolish slavery so this gives Mohammed the legitimacy for slave trading. I hope I have answered your question.

And this is your misquote and twisting (as a typical Muslim):

Now that you have admittedly posted the fact that Jews and CHRISTIANS started trading slaves and they did not abolish it for hundreds of years

You can see how Islamically dishonest you are by claiming that I said the Jews and the christians started trading slaves. I think you need to go and do ablution for allah to wash your lying tongue; wash your tongue 7times and recite alfathiha 17times so that allha may forgive you for this blasphemy.

The Quran asserts that Muhammad was a man who possessed the highest moral excellence, and that alla made him a good example or a "goodly model" for Muslims to follow (Quran 68:4, and 33:21) and being a perfect example to follow his sahabas (all of them arabs) also bought and sold slaves (many of which are blacks). You need to start buying your own slaves now. There is currently as arabian slave market in Libya where the arabs are buying and selling black slaves.

Can you show me a single christian source document where slave trading is sanctioned? I can show you hundreds or ayah, hadith and seerah where you prophet own, bought and sold slaves like cattle. As a matter of fact suunah ibn majjah, in a heading relating to the transdactions and selling of animals, reported that mohammed bought safiyya from one of his sahabas called Dihyah Kalbi after the invasion of khaiber.

It was narrated from Anas that :

The Prophet (ﷺ) bought Safiyyah for seven slaves. (Sahih) (One of the narrators) 'Abdur-Rahman said: "From Dihyah Kalbi.'
sunnah ibn majjah Vol. 3, Book 12, Hadith 2272/

See sahih Bukhari on how mohammed and his bandits captures safiyya:

Narrated Abdul Aziz:
Anas said, "When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, ‘With his army.’) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostle! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’" Anas added: "The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."

Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet. So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, ‘Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.’ He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-Sawaq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walima (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Apostle." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).

You should be ashamed for following this bandit that called himself profit mohammed.

Empiree:
Like I knew it. You didn't disappoint but you can rely on isolated Hadith to prove your points too, right?. Keep deceiving yourself. Question remains. Why did Jews and Christians not abolish slave trade before advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?

Mohammed's enslavement of black people is well documented in the hadith and the seerah and were never recorded in isolation. This is a fact you can never disprove or deny and this also form the basis for the current Afro-Arab relation as we have it today. Blacks, as a result of the actions of mohammed, are still regarded as 'Abd' in all the arab world. It is more honourable to be a black in Europe, the US and even China than to be a black in the arab world. Their hatred for the blacks is a social issue caused by their religion and their prophet and it is unfortunate that you, a blackman, will be here defending your oppressors because of the fact that you were brainweashed into their religion.

Empiree:
A single verse of Qur'an that I quoted earlier dissolves your claim for trying to link Islam and Arab rascism. I am not gonna get into who is more superior in rascism btw Arabs and Whites. One thing I know for sure is you can hardly see Arabs attack Blacks in mass shootings or racial attack in form of verbal or physical abuse on the street. But you can easily see this with White rascists everyday. So I told you before that there are levels of racism. You are obviously becoming anti-Semitic.

You say a single verse absorbed muslims/arabs of racism while we have hundreds of hadith and seerah that promote Arab superiority and black debasement. You ignored your hundreds of hadith and choose a single ayah revealed when your prophet was weak and conciliatory. Current social realities and your hadith proved you wrond and solidify the fact that the arabs are inherently racist as a result of Islam. Can you approach a young arab girl in an islamic world for marriage? Answer a simple 'YES' or 'NO'.

Empiree:
And?. Do you not have worse phrases like these in your Bible?. What's your point?

Do you condemn or condone this islamic racist rant or want to lump Christianity into this mess:

Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us. (Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 69).

Empiree:
And your point is?. Here in your quote he (saw) instructed freeing slave.

Mohammed did not free this slave out of sincerity. He allowed the slave maid to go because she is an arab, an ishmaelite:

...when A'isha (Muhammad's wife) had a maid-slave who was an Arab, Muhammad said to A'isha, `Set this maid free because she is from the children of Ishmael.'" (Ibn Timiyya, Vol. 31, pp. 376-377).

Empiree:
what's your point?. In Sura Al-Imran, Jews were chosen people before the Arabs. Family of Abraham(as) was chosen in the time. Family of Imran was chosen in their time. So what's your point?.

You are gradually coming to your senses; the only flaw here is that you want to create a moral equivalence by bringing the Jews into arab racism which is a typical Islamic argument. When muslims are accused of bad behaviors, like children, point hands on others for equally bad behavior; never take responsibility.

Empiree:
you sure have problem either comprehension or reading. Where is rascism here?. For saying "head like raisin". Guy, if this is what you call rascism, then, Nigeria needs to re-evaluate their educational system. Between, when was the last time you seen a Black man ruled England?. Because you are here castigating Arabs and Islam as if they owe you something?.

You have problems with logic and comprehension. If you use a derogatory term to describe people of other race it is called racism. As simple as that. If I say 'obey your master even if his skin is as white as pig' (in reference to white people) this is racism. I understand that it is a taboo, in islam, to admit that your prophet is wrong and this is one of the reason the arab world is in the current socio-political mess they are today.

Empiree:
since you chose to keep saying this, my question is, how is this your business if govt chose to sponsor Hajj?. Is it your bank account they break into?. I know your end game is about jealousy. Nothing more. You have lost all hopes so your next move is to tactically lure islam with Arab rascism etc. I am sure you are reading some materials somewhere that somehow brainwash you. It is about jealousy because CHRISTIANs can not produce such large gatherings. As for poor people being the most that travel for Hajj, ofcourse majority that will enter paradise are poor.
Hadith

The poor Muslims are admitted into Paradise before their rich by half a day.” (Tirmidhi, Zuhd, 37) Will you explain this hadith?

“The poor believers will enter Paradise forty years before the rich believers.” (see Majmauz-Zawaid, 8/105)

"The poor will enter Paradise five hundred years before the rich." (Tirmidhi, Zuhd 37)

These different narrations may indicate different groups of poor people; it is also possible that these numbers are not exact numbers but indicate a long time.

Everybody who goes to Paradise is rich. Everybody will attain their needs and desires there. However, it is a necessity of divine justice that the degrees and pleasures attained there will be parallel to the degree of worshipping and servitude in the world.

It is my business to campaign against waste of resources to enrich the saudis and the Jews in the name of religious tourism or hajj. No sane nation waste 500 million dollars to impress the arabs and the Jews who still regard the black people as sub-human. Cut the crap with the BS hadith you just posted to console the poor. The saudi royal families have also read it and understood that it is all BS.

Empiree:
Bro, why is your life like this?. This is 21st century, age is INFORMATION.....and you said this knowing too well you are lying?.

[Quran 22:27] "And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage. They will come to you walking or riding on various exhausted (means of transportation). They will come from the farthest locations."

Empiree:
it is pointless arguing with you on this since you ignorantly claimed there is no Hajj in the Qur'an. Therefore, you have no authority to say anything about Hadith.

Oh you have caught a thief and can now shout 'takbir!', 'allahu akbir!', 'takbir!', 'allahu akbir!'. Can you see how low your thinking is? Even if hajj is found in the quran, a pre-islamic pagan rites, it doesnt repudiate that fact that any people going there only go to waste their time and money without gaining anything in return.

Empiree:
Culture in Islam is separate from Arab culture. Arab cultures vary but bcuz most of them are muslims is the reason you can't seem to tell the difference. Who cares about Yoruba religion. Even in Yorubaland, their culture stands out from their religion. It is the people that lumped everything.

For instance we have cultural dances. Muslims, CHRISTIANs, aborisha can all do these dances. Culture is also atttires we wear. But religion is their orisha, egungun, agemo, Oro etc. Whoever fails to see the differences which is what it is in most cases needs serious education. This is why you hear some people say "esin(Islam, Christianity etc does not prevent us from órò ìdílé (yórùbá religion)"

They want to confuse people to think "Oro ìdílé" is culture which you ignorantly fell for. Oro ìdílé is Yoruba religion not culture. You need educational beatdown for failing sociology.

Over 90% of islamic laws are old arabian laws and practices incorporated into islam. Islam is only a unifying factor for warring arabs tribe who are now bound, in unity, by islam. You cannot separate islamic culture from arab culture; they are interwoven. The arabs, prior islam, were slave traders. Mohammed only continue with this culture. The arabs, before islam, perfom hajj, mohammed only continue this tradition. The arabs sabians, before islam, were praying 5 times a day, mohammed only continue with this tradition. They are all the same; mohammed didnt bring anything new to the table except genocide against people with divergent views (quran 9:28-31).

Empiree:
You are anti-Semite. And since you keep saying this, how about you give answer to this age long question asked you guys 5yrs ago and I have asked again 2x in this thread?.

Why did Jews and Christians not abolish slave trade before advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?

By not answering this question shows that you have something to hide. And if it can not be answered then you have no right to say anything about Prophet Muhammad and slavery. You had over 600yrs to abolish this practice before Prophet muhammad came. Run along

You are boring me by calling me an anti-semite, it is like these word is new to you. The Christians and the Jews did not abolish slavery so this gives Mohammed the legitimacy for slave trading. I hope I have answered your question.

More anti-black Islamic rants:

Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.(Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11)

Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.(Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 21, p. 21)

A man of B. al-'Ajilan told me that he was told that Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'There comes to sit with you a black man with long flowing hair, ruddy cheeks, and inflamed eyes like two copper pots. His heart is more gross than a donkey's; he carries your words to the hypocrites, so beware of him.' This, so they say, was the description of Nabtal.[3](Ishaq:page 243

"I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk with the Prophet and listen to him. He would carry what he had said to the hypocrites. Nabtal said, 'Muhammad is all ears. If anyone tells him something he believes it.' Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet and say that he is all ears, say, 'Good ears for you.' For those who annoy the Apostle there is a painful punishment."[3](Ishaq:page 243)

It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.(Ishaq:page 450)

The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’(Ishaq:page 374)

"Abu Darda reported that the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. "(Al-Tirmidhi Mishkat, Vol. 3, p. 117.)

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.(Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375)

"Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."(Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 21, p. 21)

"Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."(Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11)

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."(Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161).

Empiree:
Sounds like he (SAW) enslaved people, hun?

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 695 :Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr

The Prophet ordered us to free slaves at the time of solar eclipses.

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 696 :Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr

We were ordered to free slaves at the time of lunar eclipses.




Volume 3, Book 46, Number 697 :Narrated by Ibn 'Umar

The Prophet said, "Whoever manumits a slave owned by two masters, should manumit him completely (not partially) if he is rich after having its price evaluated."

As I said before it is irrelevant arguing with you on this. My question from 5yrs ago which is yet to be answered is, why didn't CHRISTIANITY abolish slavery before advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?. Why waited until modern Western Civilization before you realized you needed to do the needful?.

Quoting isolated hadith does not do justice to the fact that your prophet bought and sold slaves. It does not also nullify the fact that all the black people who came in contact with him were all his slaves. If I have 100 slaves and I free 5 and buy another 10 this will not make me a hero; this is exactly what your prophet did. This is well documented in your hadith.

Empiree:
You are playing race card and it is not gonna work with me. You want to talk about rascism in Islamic world while ignoring rascism in Judeo/Christian world?. How hypocritical is that?. Again, Arabs being rascists has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is Quran and here is what Qur'an says



And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge. [30:22]


“Oh men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware” (Quran 49:13).


I didn't quote Qur'an for you but for our reading audience because I can quote from today till Jesus return it will not make sense to you.

The Arabs are the most racist race on earth and over 90% of them identify with Islam. Have you asked your yourselves the genesis and the reason(s) for high level of racism in the Arab world? You can't because it will condemn your religion and your prophet. An average Arab man has this pride of racial superiority which is rooted in their religious and cultural background. This is the very reason no arab-muslim man will give his daughter to any black muslim in marriage. NEVER! You can deny as much as you can and defend islam as much as you can but try fall in love with an arab lady and see their true colour. You try to exonerate islam from arab racism, you must be kidding me bro! Even your hadith (or seerah) attest to this:

Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us. (Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 69).

...when A'isha (Muhammad's wife) had a maid-slave who was an Arab, Muhammad said to A'isha, `Set this maid free because she is from the children of Ishmael.'" (Ibn Timiyya, Vol. 31, pp. 376-377).

Ali Ibn Abi Talib, said: Verily the Prophet said: God divided the earth in two halves and placed (me) in the better of the two, then He divided the half in three parts, and I was in the best of them, then He chose the Arabs from among the people, then He chose the Quraysh from among the Arabs, then He chose the children of ‘Abd al-Muttalib from among the Banu Hashim, then he chose me from among the children of ‘Abd al-Muttalib, and from them he chose me.[2].(Ibn Sa'd, Vol. 1, p. 12)

Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish." (Sahih Bukhari 9:89:329)

Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said to Abu-Dhar, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin."(Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664).

If you read all these and tell me your prophet is not a racist, who the contemporary Arabs are emulating, then you need check yourself.

Empiree:
Again, your antics will not work. Majority that go to Hajj around the world spend their money.

That 1% of White attend Hajj is very insensible. It is not news that majority of White people aren't Muslim. So what's your point?.

My point is that most people that go for hajj are from poor countries from Africa, the Arab world and south-east Asia, and hundreds of thousands of them go for hajj via government subsidy while many are also sponsored. Why should a reasonable government subsidize the going out hajj? Why should a responsible government sponsor hundreds of thousands of their citizens to go on a religious pilgrimage? This is insanity bro! And FYA, around 2015 the Nigerian government has to lower the exchange rate for people going for hajj while the asked businessmen and manufacturer to seek for Forex at the black market, do you deny this fact or simply ignorant, and you do not understand how macro-economy works?

Empiree:
@bold, you said early church. How's church relate to Jesus?. It is not news that Jesus had nothing to do with church and CHRISTIANITY. All these came much after him. So where did apostles got their lies from?. Underlined is different. Prophet was aware of Hadith. He only ordered not to be recorded. But in your case Jesus knew nothing about you guys.

Sorry bro, using your logic, I can equally say mohammed has nothing to do with hajj because he never asked any Muslim, in the quran, to perform hajj. Nowhere, in the quran, did allah ask Muslims to perform hajj. According to the hadith, many which had been deemed fabricated and weak, hajj is a pre-Islamic pagan practice which has nothing to do will any of the original abrahamic faith. According to Omar Ibn kathab, there is nothing Muslims do during hajj that the pre-Islamic mecccan pagans did not do. Hajj is simply the modern-day pagan practice instituted by pagan Arabs.

Empiree:
trash.... Again, this is another failed attempt to lump Islam with Arab culture. If you have problems with Arabs, I'd advise you to direct your grievances to them. Whites have no specific culture that's why they belong to everyone. They take or adapt to any cultures. As you can see they are in Nigeria now embracing your forefathers religion while they gave you fake religion called CHRISTIANity

They gave you their shakushaku religion and adopted your culture and religion. Why are you still in CHRISTIANITY?. Ogbeni, Soji e

You cannot separate Islam from Arab culture the same way one cannot separate traditional Yoruba religion from Yoruba culture. You need to go back to school and learn sociology. Religion is part and parcel of people's culture which shapes their identity, thought and human behavior.

Empiree:
Your antics will never work. You are becoming anti-Semitic, no doubt. Arabs have their issues and I don't support that. But saying that their rascist culture is rooted in Islam is rather silly.

Why are you still in CHRISTIANITY worshipping religion of your White masters while your White masters are embracing your Yoruba culture and religion?. Guy think! 'soji, maa sun!'

I am saying the fact and it has nothing to do with being anti-semitic. Muslims often try separate Islam from the Arabs, especially when their (arabs) bad behaviors are pointed out, meanwhile most of what they do they get justification from the sunnah of the prophet. Is buying and selling of slaves no longer the sunnah of the prophet? You cant pick and choose what you want to call 'the sunnah'; take all or leave all.

Empiree:
I am not bothered by your comment at all. I know this ranting of yours was borne out of irrational hatred for Prophet of Islam, Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (SAW). So, I pass your comment bcuz your case is kettle calling pot black.

You never deny the fact that your prophet enslaved all the blacks that came in contact with him. Can you repudiate this claim?

Empiree:
Common sense is not common. Are Black people the only race on these pilgrimages?. You are definitely losing your senses. I can only agree with you on "pilgrimage" to Jerusalem because there is no biblical injunction that made it part of your religious obligation. Therefore, blame your Black CHRISTIANs and leave Muslims out of this. Muslims have religious obligation to perform Hajj if they can afford it. Your Christian people who make pilgrimage to Jerusalem are only jealous of Islam and Muslims because Nigerian govt funded Hajj. Now that's what I am against. I do not support govt funding religious pilgrimages. If individual saves his money and makes the journey is none of your business and that has nothing to do with GDP. There are millions of muslims in Western world who fund their trip on their own. It has no negative bearing on Western economy. I repeat, you are losing it and jealousy is eating up Christians so badly.

We are talking about racism in the Islamic world against the black people which is over 1400 years. How long will you remain a 'BILAL', a house negro for the Arab masters? Over 95% of people that go for hajj are black Africans/Arabs/South east asians. What's their common denominator? Poverty, bad governmrent, oppression and ignorance. The whites that do hajj are less than 1%, who represents the poster boys for Islam in the western world. Nigeria spend over 160 billion naira (almost 500million dollars) going to Mecca and Jerusalem, is that not stupidity while your Arab slave masters laugh at your back for being gullible.

Empiree:
"in the act of apostle". What has that go to do with Jesus?. Did Jesus write Acts of Apostle"?. Did he give you order to make pilgrimage as religious rite to Jerusalem?. Are you following Jesus or are you following Ethiopian Eunuch ?. Who's ignorant now?

Act of the apostle is the record of the activities of the early church, just as you have your seerah which documented the life of your prophet. Did your prophet write the seerah and the hadith you guy always quote? The Jews and the christians had been performing pilgrimage long before mohammed was born.

Empiree:
what you seen is what you know. There are Black who married Arabs. Percentage might just be very low. I am aware of Arab rascism. But don't mistake this for Islam which you are trying to do. It is not gonna help you.

Guy chill, no any arab man can give out his daughter to you black man in marriage, except you are the governor of your state. The arabs would rather kill their daughter rather than allow her marry a blackman. This is racism embedded in arabic culture garnished by the sunnah of your prophet for the hatred of the black people who he saw and used as slaves. If you travel to either the US or Europe today, there is a 95% chance that you can marry a white lady but if you go to to the arab world, it is suicidal for a blackman to attempt to marry their women. Try it when next you travel to any arab nation and come and tell me the result.

Empiree:
Besides, this comparison of your gets k-leg. Are you now defending White just to make a point?. Have you ever heard of different levels of rascism?. Just because many Black marry white doesn't mean there aren't White rascism. They have their rascism on other levels. What do you hear on tv about rascism the most, Arabs?. Many recent White supremacists terrorist attacks were carried out by White CHRISTIANs rascists against Blacks and Mexicans. You need a reality check

Oh, racism has level according to you. While the arabs is 95%, the white is 5%. Can you mention any black millionaire in the arab world? It is not possible because the arab-muslim will never allow that. How many blacks do you have in the saudi royal family after 100 years of being in power? Zero.

Guy think! 'soji, maa sun!'.

Empiree:
you think everyone commenting here is well?. They can't discern religion from culture and people. Arabs and Whites have always been rascists and stupid.

I thought I have retired you from Nairaland 'Islam for Muslims' section; so you are still hanging by the thread. Your prophet is a racist and a slave trader as long as it is documented in your hadith and your seerah that he enslaved all the black people that came in contact with him.

Empiree:
Hajj is less than a month. What's that gotta do with Arab stupidity?. Muslims are there to fulfill Allah's injunctions nothing more.

Arabs are not stupid but black people are for following a man that enslaved their ancestors (Mohammed ibn Abdullah). If the Arabian prophet enslaved black people, how do you want the contemporary Arab-Muslims to regard you as a full human?

Empiree:
We need to be careful of atheists and CHRISTIANS. This is one of their tactics. They delibrately want to confuse ignorant muslims to think Islam is only for Arabs therefore going for any religious activities makes them subservient to Arabs. You can see that from true2god's comments. The guy is losing his senseless lately. He's on the outskirt of CHRISTIANITY and 50% atheist. CHRISTIANs and CHRISTIANITY never had anything to do with Jerusalem. For this reason true2god is right about his uncle.

I don't have to be a fool to be a christian. Going on a religious pilgrimage and wasting economic time and monetary resources is a crime against humanity. Black people should be ashamed of themselves for spending their meagre resources on religious pilgrimage to the Arab and the Jewish world. I am a christian but I use my commonsense. How can a sane country be spending 10-12% of their GDP on religious pilgrimage?

Empiree:
CHRISTIANs go to Jerusalem was borne out of jealousy for Islam and muslims. We as muslims have nothing to do with Arab rascism and Prophet Muhammad (saw) was not rascist.

You must be ignorant. Haven't you read about the Ethiopian Eunuch who made a religious pilgrimage to Jerusalem, in the act of the apostles (written over 500 years before the quran), and was witnessed by and Baptised by Philip, one of the apostles of Jesus christ? The Christians do not make it a religious jamboree, like Muslims, while going to Jerusalem. The Christians, had been going on pilgrimage to Jeruslam over 400 years before Mohammed was born. Why I am even arguing with you? I have forgotten that all the biblical prophets and Jews are now Muslims.

Empiree:
The same way Arabs maltreat black muslims is the same way White Jews maltreat Black Jews and Black Christians

The Arabs maltreated black people by following the way of the prophet. The last time I checked my cousin is married to a white lady in the US and I know of many black people married to white women. I have never seen any single Yoruba-muslim man married to an Arab lady because the Arabs consider it an insult, an embarrassment and a humiliation for their daughter to marry blacks. Who are the racist here? The Arabs or the whites? You can only see black people getting married to arab women by doing an extensive google search.

Kuginzi:
A Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari states that the Kaaba was the First Mosque on Earth, and the Second Mosque was the Temple in Jerusalem.

Who built the kaaba? When was the Jerusalem second mosque built, before or after the death of Mohammed? Please provide source/evidence.

pazienza:
That wouldnt have saved Biafra.

What would have saved Biafra was striking the deal with USSR to enable them use their superior navy to secure the coast of Niger Delta and prevent Nigerian soldiers from attacking, seizing, and terrorizing those communities into turning against Biafra in place of becoming exterminated by the genocidal Nigerian Army.

That's what would have saved Biafra. Ojukwu underestimated the importance of those coasts to Biafra. He miscalculated the British. He emotionally thought that the Christian British would surely not support the genocidal Islamic led Nigerian Army. He was too young and had little understanding of the world politics and wouldn't allow the elders counsel him.

100%. You are right!

Homosexuality is the cause of insecurity in the North -- Emir of Gwandu.

Kingosytex:
God bless Rev. Chris Oyakhilome.


God bless Pastor Benny Hinn.


God bless all his servants spreading the good news of the kingdom.

May God bless my hustle too. We (they) are all hustlers.

promise4040:
Afonja will always be afonja. Did pastor Adeboye think Nigeria won't come out strong when Goodluck Jonathan was the president? He encouraged 1 million members of his church for a peaceful protest against Goodluck but has been hailing Buhari even though the country has collapsed under his watch. May God forgive you.

One of the cabals that forced Goodluck Jonathan out of office. We know them.

Gudiza:
Bro, it's not funny anymore. The colonials defeated the africans militarily & economically, but the icing on the cake for them was spiritually/culturally. This idea made africans unconsciously throw away their primary belief systems where they came first to adopt secondary ones which placed them beneath others. The consequences of that is most devastating. Africans were lost and became like children without direction, waiting for the arabs/european to tell us what to do. Till today, these foreign powers believe (cos we accepted in the past) that it is their god given right to dictate to africans who our leaders should be, what we need, who we should align with etc. If you refuse to be spiritually fooled, they cause military problems for you.

The experiment worked so well i'm sure some of the whites are still amazed we have assimilated these fake doctrines so well that it runs on autopilot! Our preachers are the main beneficiaries of this farce today. We cannot continue to be hypnotised, there is a global awakening today, .

This is the summary of how African people were relegated both morally and spiritually. There was a stiff competition between the Arabs and the Europeans on who will outdo each other for the control of the soul of the black race. While the Europeans seem to have given up, or stopped, this spiritual conquest (it was no longer useful as a result of modern technology), the Arabs, having lost out in the game of modern science and technology, cling onto Islam as a last resort for the continual conquest and subjugation of the black race. While the European whites exploit our resources using their military and technological power, the Arab whites exploit us culturally using their religion as a weapon. We are fighting a serious battle on two fronts.

Why is China and Japan progressing? They don't have to deal with Anglo-american economic imperialism or Arabs religio-cultural invasion. These twin evil will destroy any race or power that crosses their path which we Africans are currently suffering. No race/nation can be conquered from within until they are conquered from without (outside).

Gudiza:
Of course, as YOU refuse to have sense, sense will depart from your abode permanently.

You see these idiots breaking their necks, rushing to some 'unholy' land to offer rituals and dash away your money for a religion that disregards them. They enslaved you and maltreated you, if you are not inferior how do you go back to your slavers for spiritual guidance?

Here, we will also have no peace and development for the black race because unfortunately, these muslim non-negro sellouts as well as their negro slaves are hell bent on making slaves of the rest of us.

Reminds me of a nigerian christian who went to jerusalem sometime in the 90's. In the course of his pilgrimage, he met with a jewish rabbi who completely failed to understand their mission. The man was honest and told them about who 'jesus' really was. He came back labeling the jews as ignorant for denouncing their own saviour.
My response to him was, you think you know jesus better than them? If the natives denounce him who then exactly is promoting him?

Just like that, any white man strolls into africa. They abuse the locals and get away unscathed why? because they see him as a 'saviour' race.

My uncle, early this year, wanted to brainwash me into going to Jerusalem with him. I asked him why and his response was that prayers are being answered very fast in Jerusalem. I looked at and smile but pretended as if I agreed with him because I don't want to expose his ignorance. I told him I would prefer going to the US than Jerusalem and he started preaching to me. This is what extensive brainwashing has done to many of us.

This supremacy is rooted in their religion which taught them that their WHITE prophet own so many BLACK slaves and compensated then with one house nigga called BILAL. who they now use as a propaganda tool to push that religion in black Africa. The Arab-Muslims can NEVER stop being racist because they already have been made to understand, in their religion and culture, that blacks are spiritually and naturally slaves to the Arabs.

Go ask the Sudanese for more answer.

Black people will remain backward and underdeveloped if we continue being foolish. How many Saudi citizens or Jews have we even seen in the 'Osun Oshogbo' festival? The last time I checked it was zero. However, poor African and south east Asian nations, instead of using their meagre resources to develop their nations and improve the standard of living of their people, will spend billions of dollars on religious tourism in Mecca and Jerusalem and come back to their country to psychologically oppress the poor masses who cannot and will never afford the trip.

Africans may never have sense if they refuse to learn that they have been scammed, big time, by the Arabs and the Jews who are pushing their culture on us while we still, indirectly, pay for this cultural destruction we are experiencing. African countries should ban hajj and all forms of foreign religious pilgrimage which, for over 100 years, have never served us any good. Look at Japan and China, they are too smart for all this nonsense and they don't have to deal with this colossal waste of money and time.

awgumayor:
Gov Okowa is very intelligent. He knows that without this development, some of the dialects in anioma will go extinction as pigin English is dominating the region.

This trend is happening in all Igbo land where it has become a stigma if ones children speak Igbo language. This issue need to be addressed so that our local language don't go into extinction. The homes and the schools must reinforce the importance of their children learning their local dialects and the unifying central Igbo language. Almost all the Arabs I came across in Europe speak Arabic beside English or French. This is the only way the next generation can pass the torch to another generation and the language and the culture will be preserved.

helinues:
And you pretended as if you never mentioned me being mischievous earlier.. So nothing happened?

My apologies!

helinues:
The language is being introduced in all schools.. Are the Anioma the only tribe in Delta state?

You sound confused

Cool then, I thought the Igbo language is to be taught only in Anioma land and not all Delta schools. However, the fact still remains that the people who the Governor is talking to hear are the Aniomas and the same people clamoured for Igbo language to be taught in their schools. I don't think the Isokos, the Urhobos and the Ijaws of Delta state are into this 'project:.

helinues:
Not a bad idea.

Why studying foreign language like French, German without learning local neighbors language?

How is the Anioma (Igbo people) studying the language of their neighbour? How can a people who choose to study their native language officially become 'their neighbour'? You sound mischievous I swear.

Empiree:
As i said before, I don't blame you because you have ulterior motives. It is not your fault. So for saying I don't have scholarship, how relevant is that when some statement in Hadith are blasphemy and you want to impose that on me just because I don't have the scholarship?. Who told you that scholars don't make mistakes?. And who told you that all Islamic scholars accept this Hadith even if it is in Sahih Bukhari or Muslim?.

Almost all the Islamic scholars I have engaged accept the hadith as sahih, except you (who is never an Islamic scholar). You are only appealing to emotion as far as this issue is concerned. What will Imam Bukhari or Imam muslim gain by writing an hadith which revealed Mohammed as someone having a mental issue? If you go to youtube, there are many video where many scholars explain these scenario; some were honest with it. Your emotional appeal will never change what had been documented about your prophet for over 1300 years.

Empiree:
A Hadith in Sahih Bukhari with sounds chain narration is only authentic through its isnad but doesn't mean it is true. Now here is verse of Qur'an that refuted this Hadith that magic was placed on the prophet to the point of not knowing what he was doing.

You are contradicting yourself. One time you claim an hadith is sahih if there are multiple chains of narrations, the condition which the hadith on the mental state of your prophet fulfilled. You cannot be using the 'bait and switch' strategy anytime you see what you don't like in the hadith. You gotta set a standard or reject all the hadith narration completely.

Empiree:
So when you recite the Qur'an, [first] seek refuge in Allah from Satan, the expelled [from His mercy. Indeed, there is for him (Satan) no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord. Sura 16 vs 98-99

This instruction is for the sahabas while they are reciting the quran because the prophet of islam believed that satan has no power over believers (the companions inclusive). However this does not, in anyway, refute the fact that Mohammed suffered mental illness at a time. If you go through the seerah by ibn ishaq, similar issue was recorded on the mental state of your prophet. Ibn Ishaq (an arab man), Imam Bukhari (from uzbekistan) and Imam Muslim (am arab man) cannot all be wrong while your are right (a yoruba man).

Empiree:
No amounts of scholarship can refute this ayat of Quran. No amounts of Hadith can sit in judgement over these ayat of Qur'an. This is true scholarship. You will reject this Ayah and rely on the Hadith because it suit your motives. Again I don't blame you because your quoted our secondary source.

So again, no scholars can refute these ayat I just quoted. If the Ayah says average righteous Muslims can not be overpowered by Satan or devil, how could Satan or devil had power over the greatest of all creations, Nabi Muhammad (saw)?. Think buddy, think. Sometimes our scholars stop thinking and accept everything in the Hadith because it is inside Sahih Bukhari. So Satan is devil and devil works alongside magic. So no way do I believe that magic was used on the prophet to the point of not knowing what he was doing. This statement is Haram and blasphemy. It casts massive vote of no confidence in Allah who sent His prophet Muhammad (saw). Now it may be true that evil people used magic or tried to harm the prophet. I don't have problem with this. But my position is magic didn't work on him at all.

Your position is your personal opinion that fully contradicted your hadith and old Islamic traditions. Seek knowledge from your scholars and stop arguing over what you cannot logically defend. This incident concerning your power was written black and white in almost all your Islamic traditions.

Empiree:
And finally, another evidence to prove that the Hadith about magic on the prophet is false for saying he didn't know whether he did something or not is this verse of the Quran


O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.


See clearly this Ayah says God protected Nabi Muhammad from mankind i:e evil people needless to say devil. And nabi Muhammad (saw) delivered the message. So this Hadith is false. You can go ahead and still believe it. That's your problem not mine. So if we are to use the Hadith at all it is only for educational purposes not aqeeda (belief). Educational purposes in the sense of relying on Allaah to ward off evil. That's not. Notting more.

The hadith is not for educational but for theological purpose. It is always heartbreaking to learn an unacceptable truth concerning a man you hold in high esteem from childhood. However no matter the academic gymnastic you want to employ, the truth remains your prophet was noticed to be behave strangely by his wife and his companion.

Empiree:
leave the messanger and learn from his message. I'm sure you watched and heard what he said about hajj and all God's prophets. That's the most important part. Whatever beef you have with him for calling him a tout is btw you and him

I don't even know the dude, but of course he is not polished enough to be a religious ambassador for Islam. All I see is a hustler who try to make a name for himself since religious marketing is one of the most profitable enterprise, and especially when a Muslim makes attacking the bible a trade. The story, in the mouth of Muslim apologist, is always sweet especially when attacking the beliefs of the Christians. My thinking was that he did a comprehensive teaching on the history of kaabba, traceable to Abrahim and Ishmael, using Islamic, secular and anthropological evidences to buttress his point. This is what he never did hence I can only take him as a charlatan. Besides, I don't know whether the facebook video is a lecture or a 'showmanship' to advertise himself and his travel experience to his gullible audience because the whole stuff was poorly organized and at the end of the day cannot be said to achieve any objective as side from fans 'hallowing' him along. If this is the best Yoruba muslims can produce then it shows the level of our intellectual capability as a people.

CAVEAT: DO NOT FORWARD A STUPID VIDEO AGAIN.

Empiree:
Study your old testament that you have abandoned. I gave you video to watch which explained this subject in details using your Bible but you ignored.

This guy is talking like Wasiu Ayinde who, while singing, will tell us stories of how he eat indomie in ontario, then travel to ottawa, from then move to montreal. He is typical local Yoruba man complaining of how much he spent on roaming, complain about IMO, complain about inability of watsapp call, and how he went from dubai to saudi. You are not serious for referring me to this link to waste my data. He is even speaking like a polished NURTW Yoruba thug. FYA, we have millions of educated and polished Yoruba people that I respect but this guy is a tout in the name of Islam.

Empiree:
no, don't rope me into something else. I believe in Hadith but I just don't believe everything therein is valid. There is nothing like magic casted on the prophet to the point of not knowing what he was doing. This is blasphemy that needs to be removed. This is why I don't really blame you. It is just one of the many hearsays and corruptions added. No prophet of God was inflicted with magic to the point of not knowing what they were doing. This allegation amounts to massive vote of no confidence in God. Therefore, I dismiss this nonesense.

What scholarship and authority do you have in Islamic theology to determine which hadith should be dismissed and which is to be accepted? You are not a scholar and have no authority in Islam. What about the Sirah that said your prophet was tormented with evil jinn during his childhood? Demonic oppression had been associated with your prophet from childhood to adulthood:

Narrated 'Aisha:
that Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy) ...
Narrated Hisham's father: 'Aisha said, "Allah's Apostle was bewitched, so he invoked Allah REPEATEDLY requesting Him to cure him from that magic)." Hisham then narrated the above narration. (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400).

Mohammed's childhood according to seerah rasool allah (by ibn Ishaq page 71-72):
"Some months after our return he and his brother were with our lambs behind the tents when his brother came running and said to us, ‘Two men clothed in white have seized that Qurayshi brother of mine and thrown him down and opened up his belly, and are stirring him up.’ We ran towards him and found him standing up with a livid face. We took hold of him and asked him what was the matter. He said, ‘Two men with white raiment came and threw me down and opened up my belly and searched therein for I know not what,’ so we took him back to our tent.
His father said to me, ‘I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears.’ So we picked him up and took him to his mother who asked why we had brought him when I had been anxious for his welfare and desirous of keeping him with me. I said to her, ‘God has let my son live so far and I have done my duty. I am afraid that ill will befall him, so I have brought him back to you as you wished.’ She asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her. When she asked if I feared a demon possessed him, I replied THAT I DID. She answered that no demon had any power over her son who had a great future before him, and then she told me how when she was pregnant with him a light went out from her which illumined the castles of Busra and Syria, …"

So Mohammed's encounter with demonic entities, including the false angel jibril is not new. His wife and waraqa only mistook the demon for an angel, at the cave of Hirah.

Empiree:
I just told you that your tricks don't work. find something else to say.

Which trick are you talking about? It seems you have fully lost confidence in your hadith. If you disregard the hadith you devalue islam.

Empiree:
no, we talking about questionable Ahadith that disregards Quran

Questionable hadith is subjective. To some it is authentic, while to others they are fabricated. It depends on the camp you follow.

Empiree:
Barcelona kó. Bartholomew ni

Why are you calling the biblical Baca Mecca? You are being intellectually dishonest by making this wrong equivalence.

Empiree:
are those revelation?.

They are the deeds and actions of your prophet which make up the sunnah. The sayings and actions of your prophet are considered a standard for all Muslims to follow and you cannot discount the hadith because it was narrated that your prophet was mentally unstable at a point in time. This should be a cause for concern instead of this denial and deflections.

Empiree:
sorry bro, I don't believe in hearsays. From Quran point of view about magic story is questionable. From our point of view Allah can test any of His servants and this doesn't in any way amounts to deficiencies on the part of His servant. Nabi Ayyub (as) was afflicted with sickness for 7 yrs. It was Allah who caused his sicknesses and it was Him was removed them. It was His test and trial time.

Did Ayyub(Job), a while prophet not have remedy to remove what befell him?. He knew it was trial from his Lord and he accepted his fate. So where exactly are you driving at

The hadith is all about hearsays and gossips that are hard to authenticate and this is the foundation of modern Islam. Without these hadith, or hearsays by a 'so so' companion quoting another 'so so' companion, Islam has no doctrine to stand on. You have to accept this reality and move on, this is ISLAM 101.

Empiree:
You will never understand. How would you understand when clearly you have diluted versions of historic prophets?. The fb page is actually a video explaining your bible verses with respect to the first house of worship which is Baca/Mecca (Psalms 84:6 as well as The Holy Quran in verse 3:96.) mentioned in both OT and Quran. But i understand why you don't get. If you dont understand all prophets were muslims and prayed as muslims pray, obviously you can not understand all prophet did tawaf.

Baca is not only Mecca but Barcelona. The same supposedly corrupt book Muslims will be scanning to find Mohammed and Mecca in it; this is pure comedy and confusion. Psalm 84:1-end has nothing to do with the head office of idol worship, Mecca. Stop following Zakir Naik in his ignorance who also 'discovered' Mohammed in the song of solomon.

Rashduct4luv:
If you see any bitterness kindly ignore it.

I will ignore any bitterness from you. My advise for you though; dont kill yourself over an Arabian ideology. It doesn't worth it.

Rashduct4luv:
I know you are aware Muslims worship one God Allah who created death! He is Eternal with no beginning nor end! Why claim Muslims worship graves when Allah is in the heavens?

If muslims worship one God I am not sure as a result of the special relationship between Allah and Mohammed. While an average Muslim claim to worship one God, they mention the name of Mohammed than Allah, and mention Mohammed's name in every of their prayer. The Islamic concept of monotheism is unique in the sense that Muslims subconsciously hold Mohammed in a high esteem like Allah. And in the quran, it is always 'Allah and his messenger'

Rashduct4luv:
What percentage of Shiites are Muslim? or what fractions of Muslims are shiites?

About 15% of muslims are shia, that's about 230 million people. They are huge!

Rashduct4luv:
I have pointed it out before and i keep doing that.

Ok, your opinion.

Rashduct4luv:
I am a Muslim. Can i as a Muslim determines how you interpret your ideology? Our Hadiths are Classified and authenticated to separate the tradition of Islam from falsehood something that does not exist in Christian-hood. Even if Paul talks, it is the word of God. Even if Onan spill sperm and God killed him for that it is still the word of God. Lot's daughters made him drunk and slept with him by night in turns. God blessed them with kids from this. And it was from this filthy genealogy Christ came. This is the word of God.
The hadiths has been checked and the transmitters double checked. When their is fault(s) with an hadith depending on the severity of the fault(s) then the hadiths is classified Fabricated, weak, Hassan or Saheeh.

Islam is not a rocket science bro. All Islamic books can be bought and read privately and are also available on the internet. So 'kini' big deal. As par the issues you raised against the Bible, they are incident that happened and are recorded so that we don't make the same mistake. Both good and bad incidents are recorded for us to take corrections and guide.

Rashduct4luv:
Can you tell me statistically what %age of Muslims worship graves? This is not cherry picking as is found in your books! It is sanity plus authentication!

I dont know because I don't have the data. However, it is a valid religious practice among the shia and the sunnis, while doing hajj, also offer prayers at the grave side of your prophet.

Rashduct4luv:
Who Started the Islamic Hajj rights? Ibrahim and Ismaeel. Were they Jews, Chriatians or Muslims or Idol worshipers? In the end you will dodge the questions asked and bring out another slate and the argument never ends. The truth stares at you in the face but you keep evading it.

Associating Abraham and Ishmael with hajj is haram bro. Except what you are fed in your mosque and madrassas, no any record existed that Abraham built the kaaba. Where is Jacob in this kaaba drama? So only Abraham and Ishmael built and worshiped at the kaaba while Isaac (Ishmael's brother) stayed away playing football. Islamic stories and plagiarism didnt jive and didnt make sense.

Empiree:
funny thread

I personally do not believe nabi muhammad was affected by magic in anyway or form. If magic was placed on nabi muhammad (saw) was the reason for revelation of surat Falaq and Nas, could Allah not revealed these surat without reference or incident to the prophet?. We have several other evidences in the Quran pointed to the fact that righteous servants could not be affected or touched by such evil needless to say prophet of God. However, the story of bewitchment or magic is only acceptable to me on the condition that Allah willed it to happen. No more story. But to conjure stories that Nabi muhammad did not know what he was doing to the point that he could remember this and that is blasphemy as recorded in the hadith. I am not part of that. This is the very reason I reject the hadith in question. This has nothing to do with shia or sunni or this and that. This is simply a matter of concern. Hadith can never sit in judgment over Quran. Therefore Quran says nabi could not be overpowered by magic and the likes. So definitely, there is some sort of hanky panky to the story narrated int he hadith.

You may not like to hear that your lovely prophet was affected by black magic but that is the truth. The people that lived with him, like Aisha, said he was afflicted with black magic, both in sahih Bukhari and sahih muslim, and you are here arguing unnecessarily. Even sirah rasool allah confirmed that he was also afflicted with jinn of foul spirit, during his childhood but you are here arguing and denying the testimonies of the sahabas. Do you know more than mohammed's companions and his wife Aisha?

Empiree:
Do not give room to non-muslims to mock the holy prophet. The story in the hadith is questionable. Don't just believe it just because it is in Sahih hadith or graded sahih. @true2god, you should know by now that you have no case against nabi Muhammad(saw). If you think you can make fun of him, I am just wondering how the heck in the world human beings lasan lasan overpowered your God almighty, spat on him, nailed him and ultimately killed him. This is very much humiliating compared to so called magic story. At least nabi muhammad is not God. but your God which should be all powerful and all wise was overpowered by his own creations. Why type of fvkery is that

Don't accuse me falsely; all my points are from the hadith and I didnt compile or write the hadith, nor did any Nigerian did. If you find any issue about your prophet very embarrassing and disturbing, open your mind and see the truth. Your attempt at writing off the narrations in the hadith concerning the mental state of your prophet is dead on arrival; it is no longer a secret that your prophet had a mental issue during his lifetime. Accept this simple fact and move on.

Rashduct4luv:
Abeg wetin be your problem? Why can't you do your Christianity in peace? Was Jesus in the Bible consistent? He save people in the OT by blood sacrifice but na human sacrifice fit do am for NT. How do you define paganism? Human sacrifice or Cattle Sacrifice? Jesus Christ of the Bible was never the same yesterday & today. He supported and permitted so many killings, rapes/ forceful marriages in the OT but he changed in the NT. Who is now switching on like Electric current. I can give you the verses for all these crimes if you need them.

What is this one saying? Why are you so bitter?

Rashduct4luv:
The shia, till date, till worship at the grave of the prophets; it is part of their religious beliefs. Catholics genuflects to the alter of Jesus & Mary and request Mary(Mother of God as they call her) and saints to pray for them but how does this affect MFM? Hypocrisy is worrying you. Does Shia represent Islam?

I have already condemned the shia and the catholics on this. While the catholics didnt practice grave 'worship' according to the sunnah of Jesus, the shia claim to do that by following the sunnah of mohammed.

Rashduct4luv:
One lie can be a Mistake but your lies is getting out of hands. You really need to repent

Point out my lies; i am ready to be corrected.

Rashduct4luv:
Visiting the Prophet’s Mosque is an act that is Sunnah; it is not an obligatory action and has nothing to do with Hajj, nor is it an action that is required in order for Hajj to be complete. All the ahaadeeth which say that it is connected to Hajj or that say that visiting the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is connected to Hajj are fabricated and false. Whoever travels to Madeenah for the purpose of visiting the Mosque and praying therein, his intention is acceptable and his efforts will be rewarded. Whoever travels there only for the purpose of visiting the graves and seeking the help of their occupants, his intention is haraam and his actions are reprehensible. It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not travel to visit any mosques except three: al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah], this Mosque of mine [in Madeenah] and al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1189; Muslim, 1397.

It was narrated from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The best places to which a person may travel are this Mosque of mine, and the Ancient House (i.e., the Ka’bah).” Narrated by Ahmad, 3/350; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 1648.

Who are you to determine which hadith is authentic and which is fabricated? As for your information, both the so-called fabricated and the authentic hadith are in the same book, why pick and choose, from the hadith, as if you are picking tomotoes in a basket? Some islamic scholars see nothing wrong in 'grave worship' and your opinion, on this issue, does not represent the Muslim ummah's official doctrine.

Rashduct4luv:
The Hajj rites started from Ibrahim and his son Ismail. So the question is faulty in and of itself. Ibrahim and Ishmael were what? Jews/Christians/Muslims?

The hajj rite is a pre-Islamic idolatrous practice among the meccan polytheist. Almost what is done in hajj together is done by the meccan polytheist. The Saudis only invoke Ibrahim into this practice to give it a level of acceptance among the Jews and the Christians. 'All na washy washy!'

Empiree:
it is waste of time trying to explain color to the blind.

You nothing to explain other than that your prophet was inconsistent.

Empiree:
keep deceiving yourself. Visitation to the graves is universally acceptable regardless of religious beliefs. Whoever worships the graves that's their problem. And what constitutes "worship of the graves" according to you?

I am not disputing this claim. My concern is some Muslims and Christians (especially Catholics) venerating the dead at the grave and even turning graveyards a place or worship. The shia hadith sees no problem with this practice.

Empiree:
I should waste my time with you?. Hell, no. Help yourself. I believe this is the link where he explains links between Kaaba and all God's prophets

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=480328262752637&id=1408022469436535&anchor_composer=false

Facebook page/post cannot be used as religious authority. Nowhere in christian or jewish theology is marwa and tarfa, kissing the idolatrous black stone, stoning an imaginary devil in mecca, etc is condoned. This practices are considered idolatrous, which the herbalist you made reference to rightly identified.