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Empiree:
No. He is not christian nor jewish. He is combination of jew and christian known as zionist. He is a trained Zionist to do what he does for living (anti islam). He doesnt know anything about islam but twist text to confuse weak ones

usermane:
Salaam.

It seem this post might've been inspired by my recent post on effeminate men and emasculate women - 8. Curse & Put out Effeminate men and Emasculate women from your houses, where I explained that the behavior of such men and women may in fact be inborn and it'll be wrong to curse them and kick them out.



We can't take the words of the scriptures as absolute guide. The scriptures are filled with plenty of questionable information. The Qur'an, New Testament and Old Testament all contain ideas that we've quietly rejected.



Homosexuals do not necessarily engage in anal sex. And not all homosexuals are promiscuous & indulge in anal sex with multiple partners.



How then do you explain intersex? Like persons that are genetically males but phenotypically females? There are all kinds of inborn anomalies in sexual orientations in human species, you cannot absolutely overrule the probability that homosexuality is one of these inborn anomalies.

Intersex Explained:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vDVUPjBJiM



That's the thing. Do you believe that the human fetus is ever a blood clot(Qur'an 23:14)? Do you believe that human sexual fluid or gamete comes from between the lower back and the ribs(Qur'an86:6-7)? The Qur'an apparently teaches all these, you don't enforce such teachings, so why enforce the teachings criminalizing homosexuality?



The prophet also told us in hadith that senna is a cure for all diseases and that alcohol is not a medicine. Do enjoin such teachings?

AbuTwins:
Do the People of the Book have a definite definition for a Prophet, Messenger or simple Cleric?


Anyways! In Islam He is a Prophet sent by Allah to the People of Sodom as seen in the first paragraph of the post. You can also see the bolded verses from post. Which people of the Book are we to ask? And are we to ask them if pure water is colorless?

Empiree:
You are shifting goal post. Anyways, whats is your understanding of Q5:51?. If your understanding is what it is, how then can you harmonize and deduce Q5:51 from these other ayat Q3:113 and Q60:8?

Empiree:
kini jagbajagba ti man you nso?. We talking about average citizens you talking about politics/politicians. Who them help?. This lady saw ads and went there for job to put food on her table and to feed family but you talking about politicians?. Where is your humanity?. How I wish I own business in nija. I will employe based on qualifications not religion. The only time you employe Muslims only is something specifically defined for Muslims only like cleaning masjid etc.


Later you will tell me how CHRISTIANs are living and Christlike. Rubbish

Empiree:
bro, I thought you are a realist. Get over religious sentiment. The lady that sent this to me is a family member. You need to condemn wrong when you see one. Wrong is wrong.

This is religious discrimination at job opportunity. This is not a hadith. No wonder there are many Muslims who converted to CHRISTIANITY because of jobs not convictions. Later they start saying they are exmuslims.

Nigeria govt is a bogus. Isn't there laws that protect citizens in this case. What sort of nonesense is this.

Empiree:
See CHRISTIANs in Nigeria. Wallahi, I'm sad at this. Yet they claim Muslims want to islamise Nigeria.

Empiree:
do you agree with their new "religion"?

Empiree:
I am sure many of your fellow christians disagree with you on this. You are less and less sensible these days. What happened to you, bro.

Empiree:
they have embraced Islam and moved to Medina. How you dey bro... Long time

Thanks for confirming apostasy of usermane. Let's hope he comes here and confirms your allegation.

Rashduct4luv:
The First and the Last is Allah! And what dissaster are you talking about?



Who amalgamated it? Who named the book Bible? Why lie the Qur'an recognises Chronicles, numbers, proverbs, Esther...?
Taurah was given to Moses, Injeel to Jesus, Zabur to David and Abraham and a host of others too received revelations.



Where is the Gospel of Jesus himself? Lost. Eye-witness account can only be called narration or Hadith! And you forgot that hear the Bible contains lots of hear-says.

Mr Luke says in Luke 1 vs 1-4
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

Do you know who 'Theophilus' is?



Alhamdulillah, you have let the cat out of the bag.

A Book written in 23yrs will be more authentic, easily preserved, easily memorised, error free than a Book written in 2500yrs as you claimed.
No one has ever memorised the Bible in it's original manuscript form.

As for your claim in red above, Muhammad is unlettered and as such can't read nor write so he would need people to write down the inspiration! Go from the east to the west to the north and south the Qur'an in it's Arabic language is one.

Can you list the authors of the Bible and tell us where the original manuscripts written by the authors are?

How many people memorised the Gospel of Jesus in Aramaic?

iRyan:
you aren't the only one who's allowed to be devout or hold on strongly to whatever they choose to believe in. There are thousands of videos on YouTube that point out so many errors or the many things off about Christianity and yet that hasn't shaken the faith of so many christian believers but a Christian comes here, opens a thread pinpointing errors in Islam and expects Muslims to have a change of heart cornering their belief and even goes as far as claiming they are under satanic shackles like wtf. If you as a christian can justify whatever error in your belief that someone points out to you, then a Muslim should also be allowed to justify whatever you deem as inappropriate in his belief.

iRyan:
Religion in general is. It isn't peculiar to Islam alone. Religion and ideologies we were born into exacts a strong hold on you that it is almost impossible to untangle ourselves from their grip. I was Christian before I left so I know what I am talking about. Look at you bashing a diff religion from the one you practice, if I should present to you compelling reasons on why you should quit your religion you prolly won't accede but here you are wanting Muslims to leave their religion cos someone is giving them reasons on why they should leave. If you can't be convinced out of your religion why do you expect others to be convinced out of their own beliefs?

sagenaija:
You've got it. He offers no straightforward answers to questions then turns around to say he has refuted his opponent or talks about repetitive questions.

Only the Moslem mind can see two totally contradictory statements or injunctions in their books and find nothing wrong with that.

"Common sense" or "rational thinking " seem go be far from them. The bottom line is to defend Mohamed at all cost - whether through lies or deceit.

Rashduct4luv:
Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?

Empiree:
No more repetitive questions and answers. I am tired of this. Go back to previous pages where this was answered multiple times. Plus, my screenshots clearly affirmed my point. Help yourself

Empiree:
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.

Empiree:


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/06/06/wwn-at-the-movies-we-review-magdalene-2-direct-provision/

ChristianNorth:
Sunni Islam is a complete joke, a stupid control freak. What kinda nonsense did I just read.

Empiree how do I unread this nonsense? Thank God for Shia Islam.

Empiree:
Apply a little bit of wisdom. So you expect Jesus to go around and killing pigs and breaking crosses?. This is foolishness.

This Hadith is symbolic. It is symbolically talking about end of tyranny who were cursed by Allah and turned to apes and pigs Q 5:60

Apes and pigs mentioned in this Ayah doesn't necessarily mean pigs in literal sense either. It could mean their behaviors. Today they behave like pigs and want the rest of the world to be like them. So Jesus killing pigs symbolises killing the behavioral system of the animal. So sorry, I don't expect him to go around and killing every pig just like when he returns he will break the cross. He will break the cross means bye bye to Christianity. It is a symbol.



Allah knows best
I know you are allergic to this phrase

Empiree:
Still on Surah 66:1-5, The Hadith describing the reason for the revelation of verse 66: 4 of Quran in [url=https://www.Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:/]Sahih Bukhari [/url] Read for yourself. This hadith is true but with understanding (Al-Ahzab 33:28-29), which has related story narrated by Umar bn Khattab(ra) which indicated wives of the prophet(saw) were astonished by luxury stuff.




"I said (to Allah's Apostle) "Invoke Allah to make your followers prosperous for the Persians and the Byzantines have been made prosperous and given worldly luxuries, though they do not worship Allah?' The Prophet was leaning then (and on hearing my speech he sat straight) and said, 'O Ibn Al-Khatttab! Do you have any doubt (that the Hereafter is better than this world)? These people have been given rewards of their good deeds in this world only.' I asked the Prophet".



So Allah SWT revealed the Ayat:

(O Prophet! Say unto thy wives: “If ye desire the world’s life and its adornment, come! I will content you and will release you with a fair release. But if ye desire Allah and His Messenger and the abode of the Hereafter, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good among you an immense reward”) (Al-Ahzab 33:28-29).




The Prophet (SAW) wives did wish for the worldly gains, The Prophet (S) gave them the choice as stated in the Ayat above, but they always chose the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Yusuf Ali even confirms this by saying :


" We now come to the subject of the position of the Consorts of Purity, the wives of the holy Prophet. Their position was not like that of ordinary women or ordinary wives. They had special duties and responsibilities. The only youthful marriage of the Holy Prophet was his first marriage- that with Hadhrat Khadija, the best of women and the best of wives. He married her fifteen years before he received his call to Apostleship; their married life was twenty-five years and their mutual devotion was of the noblest, judged by spiritual as well as social standards. During her life he had no other wife which was unusual for a man of his standing among his people. When she died his age was 50 and but for two considerations, he would probably never have married again, as he was most abstemious in his physical life. The two considerations which governed his marriage later were : (1) compassion and clemency, as when he wanted to provide for suffering widows, who could not be provided for in any other way in that stage of society; some of them like Sauda had issue by their former marriage, requiring protection; (2) help in his duties of leadership with women who had to be instructed and kept together in the large Muslim family, where women and men had similar social rights. Hadhrat 'Aisha, daughter of Hadhrat Abu Bakr, was clever and learned, and in Hadith she is an important authority on the life of the Prophet. Hadhrat Zainab, daughter of Khuzaima was specially devoted to the poor : she was called the "Mother of the Poor: . The other Zainab, daugher of Jahsh also worked for the poor, for whom she provided from the proceeds of her manual work, as she was skilful in leather in leather work. But all the consorts in their high positions had to work and assist as Mother of the Ummat. Theirs were not idle lives, like those of Odalisques, either for their own pleasure or the pleasure of their husband. They are told here that they had no place in the sacred household if they merely wished for ease or worldly glitter. If such was the case, they would be divorced and amply provided for."




Furthermore, Yusuf Ali states:


" They(wives of the prophet) were all well-doers. But being in their exalted position they had extra responsibility, and they had to be specially careful to discharge it. In the same way their reward would be "great", for higher services bring higher spiritual satisfaction, though they were asked to deny themselves of the ordinary indulgences of this life".

Empiree:
Let's analyse what your problem. It is official we have put to rest Hafs and Warsh. Thats out of the way. Now we are dealing with Q66 v 1 in connection with hadith you believe is attributed to the ayah. Let's for the sake of this argument assume it is about about honey but about women.

Oh so you are muhadith now right?. You in the position to tell us which hadith was spoke by prophet now?...continue.




Okay, so your issue with our prophet(saw) is that he slept with a slave or kept breaking his promises?. I am trying to figure out where you stand and what you stand to gain here. Without wasting much time, regardless of what you preconceived notion is, you seem to assume that Mariyahwas his "sex object"?. Well, whatever the secret was, what is clear was that we have evidence that Muhammad(pbuh) married Mariyah. There are sources that tell us that Mariyah was married to the Prophet. So whatever they did was their business.


Here is a documented text to prove this:




The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) contracted some of his marriages for sociopolitical reasons. His principal concern was the future of Islam. He was interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. That is why he married the young daughter of Abu Bakr, his First Successor, and the daughter of `Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through marriage to Safiyyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mariyah, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. It was also a gesture of friendship with a neighboring king that Muhammad married Zaynab who was presented to him by the Negus of Abyssinia in whose territory the early Muslims found safe refuge





Ibn Kathir is quoted to have said:



Maria al-Qibtiyya (may Allah be pleased with her) is said to have married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and certainly everyone gave her the same title of respect as the Prophet's wives, 'Umm al Muminin' 'Mother of the Believers'. Muhammad must have come in contact with many of these Copts and listened to their stories. Muhammad's friendship to Christians of Coptic faith is reflected in many aspects of his life. He is known to have had cordial relations with the Negus of Abyssinia, as indicated by the fact that he advised his followers at a time of persecution to flee there. He married a Coptic wife named Mariya, and he is reported to have advised his followers to be especially kind to the Copts of Egypt, considering them his in-laws.


(R.H. Charles, "Vitae Adae et Evae," The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha [Oxford, 1963] Volume 2, p. 294)



Other non Islamic sources list Mariya as the Prophets spouse:

http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/NorthernEurope/f110.htm

http://www.peterwestern.f9.co.uk/maximilia/pafg887.htm#26206



Interestingly you discarded Bukhari here because it doesn't suit you, right....continue



I am not done yet on Q66:1 since you chose to bring it up.

true2god:
Sorry bro, during the time of Mohammed there is no any single sahaba that have all the Quran on his head, none, because the Quran had not been codified as a single book as we have today. The compilations and codification was done by Othman ibn affan (over 20 years after the death of Mohammed). In one of the hadith, an ayah was found with only ONE man (and no other person has the ayah except him) and he even threatened not to release it but did for the sake of Allah and his messenger. Not all ayah were committed to memory; some where written on Camel skin, leaves, bones, cloths, etc while some committed few random ayah to memory. And many of the sahabas that committee these few random ayah to memory were killed in the battle of yamama which galvanized the compilation of the Quran as a single text to avoid further loss of the Quran.

This informant is in your sahih bukhari (sahih bukhari 6:61:509).

Empiree:
Fabrication! Common sense didnt tell you that if sheep ate verse of Quran written on a paper, did sheep also eat that same verse from people's memory?. Quran was committed to memory as it was revealed before written down Use your brain.

And @bold, do you even believe in Muhammad's Quran you are asking for?. I guess not

Empiree:
Ask any muslim to recite surah ikhlas for you offhand. He/she will recite exactly what is in the Book. Ask he/she to write it down in arabic, he/she won't fail to do so. I am not talking about lazy muslim. I am talking about learned ones.