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usermane:
Empyree's habitual damage control for Islam and Muslims

Yea, Saudi people no longer represent Islam. Everything good about Saudis is Islam, everything bad about them is not Islam. And anything good in the westerners is not Christianity, but anything bad about them is Christianity.

I know, right? Wait for the destruction of Arabs after they host Mariah Carey and WWE, and what else? Opened cinemas, and ...let women drive? What a load of damage control!

Empiree:
I'm surprised not surprised actually if you recall 4-5 yrs ago during several debates, anything good in Arab world which were cited by some muslims, you, ifean among others would say it was CHRISTIANs and atheists that designed and built them but anything less than that that you dislike are from Arabs/muslims. That they know nothing but terror. Is it not the same thing being played out again?. I really don't want to go into details of this. Now you joined this dude calling us hypocrites when you know deep down the guy is sick ?. I'm really tired of contributions here now especially saying with invitation of Mariah is their destruction. Aren't Saudi authority done worst than that.

Stop this diversion and be sincere for once. 'usermane' made a very valid point which is very consistent with Islamic and Arabian logic. If you find it very hard to decode I will explain it to you:

Anytime the Arab world do something significant, you praise Islam. Anytime they do something bad you never related it to Islam. And for the western nation, anytime they do something good, you never give Christianity any credit for their good deed, but anytime they do something bad, Muslims blame Christianity. This is a simple logic that is hard to understand among the Muslim ummah.

najib632:
I would love to reply you but I have classed you in the same category with tintinz and that other hypocrite true2devil a.k.a. false2god. I Shall not waste my time upon people like you.

Bros take it easy with me; I never offended you. I will sue you for blackmail for calling me 'true2devil' and 'false2god'.

You need not transfer anger and aggression to me. 'usermane' seem to be too hot for you to handle; you have to engage him intellectually instead of dragging me, unnecessarily, into this discussion.

'Kpachara anya' bro!

usermane:
Empyree's habitual damage control for Islam and Muslims



Yea, Saudi people no longer represent Islam. Everything good about Saudis is Islam, everything bad about them is not Islam. And anything good in the westerners is not Christianity, but anything bad about them is Christianity.



I know, right? Wait for the destruction of Arabs after they host Mariah Carey and WWE, and what else? Opened cinemas, and ...let women drive? What a load of damage control!

The bolded summarizes modern Islamic thought masked with hypocrisy,

sagenaija:
Moslem propagandists and apologists like Empiree, Rashduct4luv and co are annoyed by FACTS about Islam for one major reason amongst many others: they have a picture of what they want Islam to be which these facts show as different.

They secretly wish Islam could be whitewashed into a more morally presentable religion. They wish the 'prophet's' life could be cleaned up to make him be above board. They wish all the contradictions in their 'holy' books could be erased.

Unfortunately in the 7th century Arabia people thought differently. They were excited by power lust, Arabian tales (tales by moonlight? ), myths, and other ridiculous issues. Morality, integrity, objectivity and the like were secondary issues to them.

So, they recorded what they thought was the acceptable lifestyle. A lifestyle which in an unenlightened society worked well but which contact with other civilizations prove to be deficient.

As a result many modern day Moslems practice their religion based on their personal preferences. Outwardly they carry on the visible rituals 'expected' of them. But inwardly and privately they live a different life.

Someone asked Empiree why he chose to live in the western world rather than 'developed' middle-eastern countries of which he gave example. Empiree ran away from that question. He knows why he ran away.

Islam's books fit better into film settings like "Alladin". Bringing them into a 21st century setting created a lot of contradictions that many Moslems are unable to resolve. The easiest solution for them then is to ignore the FACTS about their religion - hence the usual refrain "Allah knows best". Yet the same Allah started out by claiming to make things plain. The defence mechanism these Moslem propagandists and apologists seek to use never really solves the problems for them. They only end up living in self denial.

How I wish Muslims can allow the incidents recorded in the hadith to be acted and produced as a home video. It will surely be like either Robin Hood and the adventure of Merlin. All about the big man, uncle Mo', against the Jews, Christians and the polytheist, in constant state of war and conflict. Not to forget about sex slavery among the sahabas and the 'prophet'.

sagenaija:
No Mistake in the Koran by Arab Christians

The following very short video shows how Moslems are more facinated with the chanting of the Koran rather than the content.

They get carried away with Koran chanted melodically that they lose sense of the content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEoUc1OsavA

So hilarious. The guy accepted that it was a quranic recitation because he didn't even understand what the reciter was saying. This is the problem over 85% of Muslims worldwide have. Once they hear an Arabic rhythm it must be a quranic recitation.

sagenaija:
Look at the Moslem man in the video first saying there is no difference in the Koranic version then turning around almost immediately to say that the differences that are there are due to recitations, blal, bla, bla. For goodness sake, if there are differences then there are differences, whatever they are composed of.

Here is a video of Moslem sheiks reciting the same portions of the Koran and we can hear and see differences in the different versions presented.

Why is it so easy for these Moslem apologists to lie? Is it that they think that as long as they are doing it in the name of Allah or for Allah it is ok?

It is as clear as it can get. Yet Empiree and his diehard friends will still claim otherwise.

The time of Islamic ignorance and deception is over. All their teachings are now accessible on the internet. One of my Muslim friends got depressed when I told him that the sahabas killed the household of their prophet.

Quran version 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_yFQBP1EVY

Different readings of the quran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HErPmKbrkB4

Another video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaOsB2nlzaY

Empire said Islam is a 'Perfect' religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQR2KGpLiA

Still on mary the copt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbMoyJmb7g

The story of mohammed and mary the copt; Islamic perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpQu6eCqObA

sagenaija:
ARROGANCE will vehemently defend the FALSE.

Were the Arabs during the PERIOD covered by the books Moslems?
Was Islam the ruling religion during this period?

Empiree, why is it DIFFICULT for you to accept FACTS and TRUTHS about Islam?
Will they shake your faith?

Even where CLEAR EVIDENCE is provided you always still want to believe the LIE.

This is a crazy logic from this Islamist. Even the 'greatest' prophet Mohammed was a slave owner and trader, why separate slavery from Islam and 'pin' it on the Arabs? The way my muslim brothers defend the indefensible is legendary. The next thing they will do is to bring up the name of one house nigga called Bilal to defend the atrocities of Mohammed.

true2god:
Watching the video now; it is getting very interesting. Nigeria Muslim clown (Nigerian Muslim
heavyweight) and the christian prince. I will make sure I finished all the videos today.

This Ustaz Adegunwa may even be a Nairaland member; I suspect he may even be empire (not sure). LOLLLL

Nigerians showing skills with people who are traditionally knowledgeable in their religion and culture. Even Arab Muslims watching this debate will wonder how stupid black people can be? When Mohammed Hijab and Shabir Yusuf (Arab and Pakistanis scholars in Islam) cannot defend Islam , it is one Oshogbo Yoruba Muslim that knows better than the Arabs and the Pakistanis. I am still laughing at the Yoruba Muslim 'heavyweight champion' disgracing himself on the internet.

sagenaija:
Many Christians have been cautious about this man's claims.
Our God is not the greatest of deceivers, so we don't deliberately
set out to deceive people. We walk by integrity.

Before Ustaz Adegunwa misrepresents facts lets see the videos of his
discussions with Christian Prince:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjxWNwlAIbs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQWjAV_leR8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdfsoc8ROko

Watching the video now; it is getting very interesting. Nigeria Muslim clown (Nigerian Muslim
heavyweight) and the christian prince. I will make sure I finished all the videos today.

This Ustaz Adegunwa may even be a Nairaland member; I suspect he may even be empire (not sure). LOLLLL

Empiree:
^^

See IMAliyu, this is the kind of things I noticed when I first heard about him and then watched some of his videos. It is about twist twist and twist. I am not interested in that kind of thing.

This is why these CHRISTIANs think CP knows a lot. He knows a lot in the eyes of dullards. Thank God you took your time to watch him. You can now testify and let these guys here know his tricks. Same thing with a guy who called himself "Muhammad jimoh" whose audio went viral two weeks ago. He claimed he was imam at a mosque in Lagos. While leading prayer a light appeared and told him he's Jesus. This guy started quoting to deceive people. He read Quran so fluently and eloquently. This kind of thing deceive unsuspecting Muslims and of course CHRISTIANs fall for it just because he speaks Arabic. But the fact is, the guy was investigated by Jamiu Adegunwadegunwa who went to the alleged mosque. There are 3 Imams at the mosque but none of them recognized muhammad jimoh. He misquoted ayat to the point that a muslim needs to cross reference his claims.

May God protect us from these evil people in this tough times.

You guys accuse people of not studying Islam in Arabic but when an Arabic speaker comes into the picture to expose Islam, you complain again. What standard do you want again? I have not heard of the guy Muhammad jimoh but would like to know more about him; will do a look-up on him and see what he got to offer.

One of your guys, in the 'ISLAM FOR MUSLIM' section, confessed of being depressed when he learnt of the atrocities the sahabas (Abu Bakr, Umar ibn Kathab, Uthman Ibn Affan, etc) committed against the household of the prophet of Islam. I hope you guys will not face the same depression when more facts will be exposed concerning your religion.

Nice topic that deserves front page. Can/will Nairaland admin do the needful?

usermane:
Najib invites tru2god to study Islam



Of course, if you believe in hitting misbehaving wives, believe that two different sea waters or salt and fresh water are separated by an inviolable barrier, believe that mountains prevent the earth from shaking, then Islam is the has no fault in it.

Najib is a big joke. I ignored his invitation because he will teach the ignorant kafir a sanitized Islam. Muslims hate hearing a bitter truth about their religion and their only response is usually violence, threat of violence or abuse. My Muslim neighbour was shocked that his kafir neighbour was schooling him about Islam and he stopped greeting me 'good morning bros' and I don't care about his feelings but will continue telling him the truth.

tintingz:
You don't get the satire?

Actually the boiled egg part is not in the Qur'an but a satire to expose and criticize the Quran challenge nonsense and ridiculousness.

I didn't even take note that it was a satire. Thank God I even downloaded the video, I will rewatch it now.

tintingz:
Tafseer of glorious Surah Fa'Qaaf are coming in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgnVr1Eg_Yo


Interview base on the Surah.

https://medium.com/abdullahsameer/interview-with-the-writer-of-surah-fa-qaaf-47b851b64ca9

This is so damn hilarious.

Wasted my data watching this video. How can a boiled egg be a miracle from god and at the same time making a challenge to produce any book like the Quran? Well, the Quran is a compilation of poems, so-called divine poems, composed by illiterate Arabs in the 7th century.

Empiree:
All your posts simply made me laugh especially highlighted places. You dont deserve proper reply bcuz i can see insecurity and desperation flowing in your posts. This statement perfectly fit your delusion.




"As AlBa.qir once said "His (true2god) brain fluctuates, sometimes he sounds brilliant, sometimes he sounds stark ignorant". To me, he sounds stupid and silly most of the time"

Lest I forget, thanks for acknowledging these facts:

You can't bear witness for a dead man (Mohammed) you never met or seen in your life. If you go to a law court to bear witness, the lawyer will ask you the relationship you have with the plaintiff or the defendant.

Why call your fellow man 'Mr Qattala' (Mr Killer)?
That title is only reserved for Allah's messenger.

OK, what's the economic, social and scientific benefit of learning Arabic at this age? Instead of you teaching people how to make money and be successful in life you are teaching them Arabic language and culture?

It's like you have a PHD in 'International Diversion' from the university of Medina.

If you don't know a thing you can simply use the standard Islamic sentence of 'Allah knows best'.

Hope your day is good. Alihamdu lie!

Empiree:
I thought you were smart. As smart as you are you could still say this nonsense in 2019?



In this case, a fellow who said this was always right. I will continue to post it anytime you make dumb post.



"As AlBa.qir once said "His (true2god) brain fluctuates, sometimes he sounds brilliant, sometimes he sounds stark ignorant". To me, he sounds stupid and silly most of the time"

Are you losing steam? I need a national response from you and not this tantrum you are throwing around. Can you bear witness for someone you never saw or met (using shahada as a case study)? 'Allah knows best' is acceptable if you don't know what to say.

IMAliyu:
If you want to go down the linguistical angle I'll go there.

Arabic text:
أشهد أن] لا إله إلاَّ الله و [أشهد أن ] محمد رسول الله ]
English rendering:
[ I testify that ] there is no god, but Allah, and [ I testify that ] Muhammad is the messenger of All-llah.

Source: https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada

And the Dictionary meanings of "testify" are

1.To make a declaration, or give evidence, under oath.
2.To make a statement based on personal knowledge or faith.
And it's synonym is "bear witness"

Bros go and rest, you make no sense.

tintingz:
Do you have proof on what causes sexual orientation?

And why does homosexual behavior exist in the animal kingdom?

I don't have scholarship in 'sexual orientation' because there is no any academic research that proof the causes of sexual orientation, however human is naturally 'wired' to be attracted to the opposite sex and to have intercourse with the opposite sex. This is how, for thousands of years, social interaction between opposite sex plays out for human reproduction and a healthy society. Homosexuality is against human socio-reproductive nature and culturally a taboo almost in all traditional African society.

Human beings are higher animals and not beast that acts with animalistic instincts. Comparing human beings with animals to justify homosexual behaviours is akin to placing human intellect, wisdom and understanding with that of animals. The argument that some animal display homosexual behaviours is a new age study to justify homosexual behaviours. We must learn to separate human behaviors from animals because, to me, it is a complete debasements to human being to start comparing their sexual orientations to justify unnatural reproductive human behavior.

Can you allow your siblings to go into homosexuality so as to allow them 'express their sexual orientation'?

sagenaija:
In Islam logic is turned upside down.
Imagine witnessing to something you were never part of.
Maybe they should modify the shahada to read: "... ... and I SUBMIT to Mohamed's teachings who was his prophet". But of course it's not just a matter of ACCEPTING Mohamed's teaching as coming from Allah, they MUST BELIEVE IN THE PERSON OF MOHAMED himself. And these same ones want to tell us they believe in Allah ALONE?

Can anyone become a Moslem by belief in Allah ALONE and not ADDING Mohamed? This is another question Empiree DARE NOT answer. He can't even address the implications of that question.

Mohamed is in the grave and Moslems worship him daily. Jesus, who their own books claim is ALIVE with God is relegated to obscurity. That is logic turned upside down.

Still mysterious how this people think. How can you bear witness to what you are not part of or privy to? This guys have been thoroughly brainwashed by the Arabs.

IMAliyu:
The pot calling the kettle black.
I could make the same argument. That you believe in Jesus and maybe follow his teaching and claim he is the son of God, but have you met him to confirm that?

The atheists make the claim that he never existed and all stories about him are made up by people. So how do you know or prove he was real to even claim he is Lord?

You act like an atheist when it's convenient, but turn into a Christian apologist later.
On a different thread you made a claim and when ti.ng.inz called you out to defend your point, you never replied. So don't try to act like you have intellectual superiority over Muslims.
I've been trying to not get involved, but I've had enough of this sh!t.

Do you understand English language at all? There is a difference between 'bearing witness' and 'having a belief'. While the former is an objective and factual statement, the latter is subjective and open to objections. I can bear witness that June 12, 2019, was a public holiday in Nigeria, because the Federal government declared it as one, and it was a national reality, but I can't bear witness as to when the British stepped their foot on Nigerian soil. This is simply because I do not know or I am not sure, even if it was written in a book, history is always revised and rewritten.

I can declare a belief in Allah because belief is synonymous to faith but I can't bear witness to Allah's existence because I never met him personality to validate his existence. This same logic can be applied to Christianity as well. You only bear witness to an event you are 100% sure of, or you are a participant. Bearing witness that there is no God but allah and that Mohammed is his messenger can land you into trouble if you are asked to defend this claim in a court of law.

Empiree:
All your posts simply made me laugh especially highlighted places. You dont deserve proper reply bcuz i can see insecurity and desperation flowing in your posts. This statement perfectly fit your delusion.




"As AlBa.qir once said "His (true2god) brain fluctuates, sometimes he sounds brilliant, sometimes he sounds stark ignorant". To me, he sounds stupid and silly most of the time"

I know you are feeling me bro, just appreciate and move on. Can you bear witness to/for someone you don't know personally, you never met and you can never meet? This is simple logic and I'm very sure you know the answer but, out of religious zeal, you can never be truthful. How can you bear witness that Mohammed is Allah's messenger when you never have any personal contact with him?

Shahada is nonsenses and a fictitious declaration of witness out of sheer ignorance. Can you bear witness that I am military man, even if I tell you I am one, since we never met or seen each other? Apply logic bro!

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T6to7Rs2W8

The guy recited the shahada 'bearing witness there is no God but allah' and equally 'bear witness that Mohammed is allah's messenger'. So what must I do now, bear witness too? Do you know what it means to bear witness? You can only bear witness for who you know personally; a family member, a friend, a colleague or relative. You can't bear witness for a dead man (Mohammed) you never met or seen in your life. If you go to a law court to bear witness, the lawyer will ask you the relationship you have with the plaintiff or the defendant. What relationship does the guy have with Mohammed to bear witness that 'he is allah's messenger'?

At times you guys throw commonsense out of the window in the name of religious zeal. As I quoted earlier, and I repeat, 'You can tell a Muslim that fire is hot , but if the Qur'an says it is not , they will continue to burn themselves . They get an "A" for dedication , but an "F" for Logic'

Empiree:
Mr. Qattala, here is a video you can learn arabic from. Help yourself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNe4NCGNYpA

Why call your fellow man 'Mr Qattala' (Mr Killer)? That title is only reserved for Allah's messenger.

You want us to go into Arabic class? OK, what's the economic, social and scientific benefit of learning Arabic at this age? Instead of you teaching people how to make money and be successful in life you are teaching them Arabic language and culture? This same people, who have learnt Arabic as almajiri in the North, are over 80% destitute. Abeg stop this silly joke.

Empiree:
this proves nothing. BH first started by being trained in Sudan by christian authority like Jerry Ghana. They have scholarship as well. They speak arabia and read Quran. So what's their achievement?. none

Stop making a dangerous claim in order to make a point. What has Jerry Ghana got to do with Boko Haram? You are very dangerous for making this type of accusation.

You don't need to blame the Sudanese for the monster you created at home. I am even diverting again, from the discussion, through your diversionary tactics. It's like you have a PHD in 'International Diversion' from the university of Medina.

You said Christian Prince knows nothing about Islam, will you say 'sorry' for lying and misleading your fans? I know you won't because you are too arrogant to do that. Stop lying in order to make a point, if you don't know a thing you can simply use the standard Islamic sentence of 'Allah knows best'.