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alBHAGDADI:
Eazymoh rilwayne001 vedaxcool aminusanti udatso FriendNG empiree abdelkabir

Can you guys tell us what an Islamic utopia will look like?

Don't forget to include the 72 Virjinns

These guys are tired of Islam since they can no longer fool the kafirs. With my over 200 Islamophobic videos, the Qur'an, the sirah and the hadith on my laptop, I see no Muslim stand a small chance in fooling a wise kafir and infidel like me, NEVER!

I will never forget this favorite hadith by the prophet of Islam: I have been given the shortest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih bukhari 4:52:220).

OtemAtum:
lying in the name of Socrates? Why?

The guy was just being sarcastic. Of course lying is an Islamic trade mark and one of the 'pillars' of Islam.

aminusanti:
Alhamdulillah am good just got fed up of all this recycled arguments .



Those misquoted verses are simply stating that Allah's promises are always fulfilled and no one could change that.

One could easily change and distort texts by picking up a book and a pen, but they could not change the original true texts and revelations which is with Allah
Removing the words from the books here on earth does not mean that God's words have become totally lost but lost here on earth only.

"The Torah & Gospel REMAIN AS ALLAH REVEALED THEM, AND NO LETTER IN THEM WAS REMOVED. However, the people misguide others by addition and false interpretation, relying on books that they wrote themselves

ALLAH is saying in the verse below the Christians and Jews miss-interpret these 2 books, and go on to make books up which they wrote with their own hands! This is exactly what we Muslims believe, we believe in the true Torah, and the true Gospel and we believe that no one can ever corrupt the true originals. However what they can do is misinterpret the true books, and after this they can go on to write fake books and then claim that the fake books they wrote with their hands are from Allah and are the Gospel and Torah.

«Quran 2:79»
"So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."

What we have today is not a Gospel but GospelS, we do not have the Gospel of Jesus, rather we have the Gospel of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John! Hence the Christians have invented their own books with their hands and claim that these books that were written by men such as Mark and Matthew are from God! Yet we know they are not from God, and we know they are a corrupted distorted version of the true Gospel which was the Gospel of Jesus. The four Gospels we have today were written after Jesus, which were based on many false interpretations and guess-work, which was then written down in ink, and then many claimed that these Gospels were from God.

Clap for yourself because no logical or reasonable person, outside Islam, will believe in your cockk and bull story.

In order for Muslims worldwide to discredit allahh and promote Islam, you claim that the Torah and the injil had been corrupted even when allahh had said his words/books can *NEVER* be corrupted. To escape this problem, Muslims now invented a new lie (Muslims are great inventors of lies and conspiracy theories) that the original copies of the Torah and the injil are in heaven with allahh while the fake copies are with the Jews and the Christians. Where did you get this info from? Is there any Quranic passage or an hadith narration that support this claim? Is this your personal deduction, or is there any 'fatwa' issued by the ulama on this? I need your clarification.

You quoted surah 2 ayah 79 to buttress your points on this. This further exposed your desperation and lies on the subject matter because we kafirs have read your Quran, hadith, the sunbath and the sira hence you cannot easily get away with your lies like before. The ayah you quoted was referring to Abdullah Ibn sa'ad Ibn Abi darh, the half brother of the 3rd khalifa, Uthman Ibn Affan.

Abdullah Ibn sa'ad Ibn Abi sarh was the scribe who usually helped Mohammed to write down any alleged (no proof) revelation he received from an entity whom he called allahh. As a matter of fact, Mohammed allegedly received revelations while Abdullah Ibn Sa'ad wrote some of them down because Mohammed was said to be an illiterate Arabian man. At a time Abdullah Ibn Saad was writing another thing while Mohammed was dictating another thing entirely. When Mohammed discover what he was doing, or he did (he must have asked another literate person to proof-read what Ibn Sa'ad wrote) he (Mohammed) became angry and allahh revealed Quran 2:79 to him. He also revealed Quran 6:93 concerning this incident.

Abdullah Ibn Saad, upon learning that Mohammed had discovered what he did ran away and went to his step-brother Uthman Ibn Affan to helped him beg Mohammed for forgiveness. Uthman brought him to Mohammed and pleaded that he should be forgiven but Mohammed didn't say a single word. Abdullah Ibn Sa'ad mistook his silence and thought that the prophet of allahh had truly forgiven him hence walked away peacefully. Mohammed became furious with his armies and asked them why they didn't kill him immediately but the soldiers said they didn't get any sign from the messenger of allahh to kill him. Mohammed then scolded his sahabas that a prophet of God does not wink. You can read your Islamic materials 'Al Sirah Al Nawabiya' by Ibn Hisham, chapter IV, paged 57 and 58. Also read 'Al sira Al Halabiya' by Al Halabi, chapter 3, page 90 to have a brighter picture of this incident. Do your research well, get your facts right so that you dont come online to disgrace yourself.

It is ridiculous that allahh, the alleged 'all-wise and all-knowing' would allow human beings, of over 2billion Jews and Christians, to posses a 'corrupted' religious text while he regained the original copy in heaven, according to Muslims. Then allahh is not wise but deceptive.

slimtoney:
You xtians, most of you will spend time attacking Islam and manufacturing lies just to tarnish this perfect faith. I wish you equally spend such time in reading your bible and with open mind read the Quran and then reach a conclusion.

The OP twisted the story and painted the Prophet black to achieve his aim. But wait a minute, all the castigation and blackmails meted on this Great Faith has not been able to stop it from growing. I swear xtianity will die a natural death if it is subjected to half the bashing that Islam has absorbed.

No real Muslim will say ill of Jesus Christ. The Quran revere him and Muslims are commanded to hold him in high esteem.

You will be surprised by the time it dawned on you the rot that have become of the big fraud you called Xtianity, simply because a whole lot of u spend much time castigating Islam than u spend working at your so called faith. I feel sorry for u

Can you confirm where he fabricated lies against your prophet Mohammed?

vedaxcool:
She has acted disappointingly, which clearly shows her personal failings as a person. Not quite different from the case of a gun running cleric or rape the gay away cleric that we hear of. One thing remains funny though that hyppcrites will hold individuals like this misguided lady to high standards but when Apostle Suliemen spends church money on harlots you will hear funny statements like judge not the lord anointed or any other silly sheeple behavior. One thing many nairaland hypocrite muslim haters have proven over and over again ; they hold your every day Muslim to standards higher standards than even their pastors and cleric.

Take it easy bro, you sound 'pained'. What AlBagdadi was simply saying is that millions of Muslims will claim 'religious' in their Muslim countries but will become something else as soon as they get to Europe or the US, which is 100% true. I have witnessed many of such. A friend of mine, a 'tebliq alfa' from kwara state, who went to Germany, for studies, spent his time and energy searching for white German lady to 'harmer' and he even told me this via Watsapp chat. Meanwhile this same guy have memorize so many Quran on his head and always leave his beards unshaved for religious reasons.

So bro, take it easy, I understand your annoyance. Reality might, at times, be hard to swallow and Muslims are human too. Almost on a daily basis the Saudi princesses, on a visit to the US, always arrange for white prostitutes and call girls. They don't preach Islam to those call girls, you surely understood what they do with the call girls.

If the prophet of Islam were alive today, he will surely enjoy himself. I trust my womanizer prophet.

A mosque is an Islamic barracks where the Muslims usually converge before going for war during the time of our prophet Mohammed. Its not easy going from place to place to call Muslims soldiers for war, so their constant presence in the mosque made it easy for the sahabas to converge for any way against the kafirs.

The mosque is also a military planning base where Muslims plan the necessary strategy against the kufar.

It is also a political house where the Imams can incite the citizens against an unfriendly regime. 90% of riots that happens in Muslim world take place immediately after the Friday prayers. The rioters always move from the mosques straight to the street, after they would have be well brainwashed by their Imams and sheiks.

The mosque is also a sign of Arab conquest and imperialism. Anywhere a mosque is built, especially in Europe and America, an Arab cultural center must/will also be built in order to brainwash and convert the local population, the fools and the useful idiots, into Islam. This local converts will be effectively used as a great tool for Islamic propaganda, and at times, as an agent who will push for a change in local laws in order to accommodate Arabic laws and customs in a host, that is non-muslim, community.

In summary, a mosque is a threat to any community/society, in the long run, except the community submit to allahh and his apostle, and then there will be peace in that community. Hence Islam now becomes the religion of peace after all other religions/cultures have destroyed.

Davido also featured R. Kelly in his latest song. No big deal.

plappville:
Have u Not come across NL Muslims defending these verses do not apply today, and that those Muslim's grope Iike ISIS are not true Muslims? Yet in the video I posted. Majority of them are Arab Muslim's. They all agree that murder is OK in Islam. This makes all of them Extremists.

Islam IS a sick ideology that should be eradicated ASAP.

iamgenius:
It's d works of d Jews man, caused by Abdullah bn Sabaa the jew who claimed he has accepted Islam, whereas he didn't truely.

Can you please explain, with authentic references, how a Jewish man caused the 1400 year old religious crisis between the shia and the Sunnis?

lfleak:
no proof.. I repeat.. Gobtards like you should never reproduce .

Sorry, never knew I was wasting my time with a mentally unstable person.

lfleak:
was that suppose to be world war 1?

Yes, that's the original world war 1 fought by Muslims, the shia and the Sunnis. Mohammed's grandchild, hassan, was killed by the Sunnis. Are you this ignorant?

lfleak:
I said your proof or Bleep out!

Ignorant Muslim, go ask your imam or google it. Don't be a lazy student.

lfleak:
war? When did they declared it? Or has war gained a new meaning?..

Who killed Mohammed's grandchildren, hassan and Hussein? Why do the shia celebrate the ashuria festival, to mark the death of imam Ali, the son-in-law of Mohammed? Who killed imam Ali, the 4th rightly guided khalifa?

lfleak:
your proof or find your way out..

Are you a new Muslim or an ignorant Muslim? Don't you trust your hadith and your tasfir anymore?

iamgenius:
When it's clear to every sensible person that those groups were the works of USA, JEWS and its allies.

So even the wars between the shia and the Sunnis, which had lasted for more than 1400 years are works of USA, JEWS and its allies?

Keep deceiving yourself bro.

lfleak:
Aisha was married at the age 9..
That only has made all your note false..

Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 but started sleeping with her when she became 9. Mohammed was merciful to Aisha by not sleeping with her when she was 6.

Truly, Muhammad was a mercy to mankind.

JMAN05:
For once, you ve said something reasonable. Although ur KJV presents it as if teaching was among the error, this is not likely the case.

However, it still doesn't help to support that women can properly/divinely authorised to teach in a church service. It doesn't support the notion that women are authorised to feed the flock. 1pet 5:1,2.

We wouldn't expect that she went to the podium and shouts "brethren, we have a topic titled fornication. God said it is OK to commit immorality". If that's what you think, sorry. Her misleading must have been done when church service is over. Or she may even have followers who dines in her recommended avenue and still attends xten meetings without her being expelled.

At any rate, she isn't a good example to reference.

Can you really 'hear' yourself here? How can you take assumptions as facts in order to present your view? The phrases 'must have been' and 'she may have even' are still guess works by you which hold no water.

She is not a good reference of course, but does not mean there are not thousands of women that are good reference. For the fact that JW held a stereotype view about women, using Paul's letter as an excuse, is not reasonable on the part of JW. And I'm 100% sure that if JW governing body change their view on this issue (especially if the light gets 'brighter') you will comply immediately.

You should learn how to reason independently without always waiting for the 'spiritual meals' from the JW authorities in Brooklyn New York, whose cookings (the doctrines they have shunned out) is subject to changes and modifications anytime, as soon as the 'light becomes brighter'.

JMAN05:
If I list just one watchtower or awake without a Christian bashing, will you accept to be an idiot and a fool? Ur answer.

If you claim to know 95% of our theology, this is a small request. Am waiting...

If you fail to produce any in the next 24 hours will you accept that you are a fool and equally deceptive?

MuttleyLaff:
The eyes are useless when the mind is blind
so I am not surprised you see no support for the obvious in those verses

Of course, it is CLEARLY discussing male and female
Thank God, that, you CLEARLY, at least see it is discussing male and female.

¹¹Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
¹²But I suffer not a woman to teach,
nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence.
¹³For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
¹⁴And Adam was not deceived,
but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
¹⁵Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,
if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Timothy 2:11-15

''I do not permit a woman to... '' is different from ''God doesnt permit a woman to...''
''Woman should not...'' is clearly different from ''woman must not...''
''Let the woman...'' is clearly different from ''Let the women...''

Who was this woman? Who was this man?

All the nouns and pronouns used, there in 1 Timothy 2:11-15, are in singulars (e.g. woman, man & she)
Also ''they'' is a singular pronoun
Evidentally, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is, Pqul addressing a localised anonymous couple (i.e. unidentified husband & wife) issue
and far from the truth, is it oe Paul proposing a global ban on learned women from teaching privately or publicly

If right now, you still don't understand this, then as we live in hope....pray, maybe one day, you will.

As a side note,
I dont know the reason why Paul seems to hold Priscilla in a higher esteem than he does her husband (e.g. 2 Acts 18:18-19, Timothy 4:19 and Romans 16:3)
He even has a pet name for Priscilla.

Back on track, but you have right to your Men's Club, where women are expected to be seen and not heard

I'm really thrilled by your great mastery of English language and the way you easily analysed Paul's mindset concerning 1 Timothy 2: 11-15. God bless you my 'Oga', 'tuale' Sir, my respect.

If JMAN05 cannot still see his futility at misinterpreting and misrepresenting Paul's real intent, with respect to the subject matter, then he is not ready to learn. And it is unfortunate that JW members are rigorously groomed to reject any argument, belief and/or doctrine that run contrary to JW's officially sanctioned doctrine presented as 'the Bible truth', even though JW doctrines are continually opened to modifications with the excuses that 'the light is getting brighter'.

JMAN05:
The congregation was execrated for allowing her to teach.

You are being disingenuous bro. Jesus never condemned Jezebel because she was a woman, but because she was a false prophet leading the people of God astray with formication and all forms of unrighteousness. Read the verse again:

Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.

If you want to be fair, you will agree that, just like we have false Prophetesses (females), we also have false prophets (males). Have we seen male pastors, teachers, publishers doing wrong in the church, sleeping with female church members? Yes. Can we then conclude that all male pastors, prophets, etc are false teachers or prophets? No.

So your using Jezebel as a basis for your argument is wrong and illogical.

Jesus didn't not rebuke her congregation because she (Jezebel) taught, but because she was a false prophetess who caused the fall of servants of God through immorality.

JMAN05:
1tim 2:11-12

11 Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but she is to remain silent

This is an auto-response without any logical input.

I ask you once again, what are the circumstances that led to Paul writing this letter to brother Timothy? If you believe in the premise of cause and effect, you will understand that Paul's advise to Timothy is not a random letter to him. What brought about that scenario?

My second question, are all Paul's letter inspired?

JMAN05:
Again, you are ill-informed.

You know me too well that I have over 95% knowledge of JW theology. We didn't start debating religion recently. I ask you again, why is it convenient for JW to bash Christians (or what you guys call the Christendom) without having the same moral courage to bash Islam? And I challenge you once again, can you give me a single watchtower or Awake! publication without any Christian bashing?

I await your response.

matterarising:
She was never a Muslim. She did not have a true relationship with Almighty Allah. If you're Muslim with deep experience with Allah and teachings of the great prophets u will never leave the awesome feelings and benefit. pls don't call the lady a Muslim because she was never one. Pls NOTE, Islam is not a religion, it is life itself. May the peace of Allah be with u all

Why is it that anytime a Muslim abandon allahh and his messenger you guys will shout 'HE IS NEVER A MUSLIM'? I'm sure if Mohammed come back and tell you that Islam is a fraud that he and his companions formed, you guys will still say Mohammed is not a Muslim.

This lady's entire family are Muslims, what other proof do you want?

Empiree:
why is her age matters to you?. I'm absolutely under no obligation at any point to tell you anything about this. If you want to research you are free to do that.

Aisha's age (ra) at the time she married and the time she died is irrelevant to the cause (s) of Islam. Help youRSELF frido

Aisha's age when married the prophet of Islam is important because she set the standard for age limit (for girls) for marriage in Islam. The actions of Mohammed is the sunnah and, according to Islam, Mohammed can do no wrong.

As for her death, you said she died at the age of 63 and I asked you to show me an authentic Islamic source which proves that she died at 63. Though I have no interest in the age she died, I only asked because of your claim that she died at the age of 63.

Empiree:
whats the definition of hadith?. Have you ever read someone who said "i died at the age 70"?.

I expected you to tell me something like this:

sahih bukhari volume 10, book 10, hadith number 419: As narrated by Abdul-empire Ibn Liar:

After the death of the apostle of allahh (peace be upon me), the Muslims embarked on a battle against the people of kalalma and allahh gave them victory against the infidels of kalalma. After the battle of kalalma, the wife of the prophet, Aisha bint Abu Bakr died at sixty three years of age.

This is what I expected you to give me and not an excuse. The above is my personal hadith for the wife of the prophet, the mother of believers.

Give me an hadith that says Aisha died at 63.

Empiree:
And when she grew up, why didnt she talk about it?. She lived until 63yrs old.

Can you show us any hadith that claimed she was 63 yrs when she died?

plainbibletruth:
Over 80% (eighty percent ) of Islamic texts are about Mohamed; NOT ALLAH!

Islam is mostly about Mohamed.

What kind of person was this MOHAMED?
That is what this book set out to do.

Islam is 90% Mohammed, 5% allahh and 5% the rest of the 'prophets' who Muslims shamelessly claimed as theirs.

plainbibletruth:
Empiree & yourself should note this:


If you would rather go with Mohamed - who without cause ruthlessly attacked and plundered others, took men, women, and children as slaves, giving the female slaves to his soldiers as their property and his soldiers using the slaves for their sexual pleasure; slave women who were allowed to be raped because they were seen as mere property - Than the Prince of PEACE - Jesus Christ, the choice is yours. But THE DIFFERENCE IS CLEAR!

Here is one who was morally bankrupt (unless you can PROVE this wrong ) and the other - Jesus Christ - who was "holy, blameless, unstained [by sin], separated from sinners and exalted higher than the heavens;" (Hebrews 7:26).

One was NOT SURE where he and his followers would end up. The other is the author and provider of eternal life and CONFIDENTLY DECLARED so.

The CONTRAST is unmistakable to common sense; even by Islamic evidence alone.

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28

Let the understand the barbarities in Islam.

Muslims don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible but rather the non existence Isa of the Koran.

alBHAGDADI:
Empiree aminusanti udatso FriendNG rilwayne001

You mean your Muslim girls will allow me suck their breasts 10 times a day if I tell them that they are tempting to me?

No wonder Muslims like Islam

They are probably embarrassed by the suckling thing ordered by their prophet but they will always have an escape route: they will call it FAKE HADITH.

lfleak:
your last line shows your pain, you are so pained Islam has gained ground and spreading to all corners.. Self destruct? Lol! Go check on your brothers, they all atheists now.. Tell me who is destructing? Meanwhile both of you are ignoring the question..

Which questions are you hammering on?

Empiree:
he's trying to trick you. I know him well and I know how to handle him . He's full of WAYO. If you are not careful he's going to make you hate yourself. He can't dare me though.

Ask him what is "bible studies" (where verses or passages of bible are explained) to them is derived from and from whose authority?

WAYO as in what? Is it a crime for me to articulate my argument properly? When you can't handle the truth you call it WAYO.

Attacking me personally cannot help you and has never helped anyone. You need to take a second look at your Islamic source documents and see that its full of fraud and has nothing to do with allahh and Mohammed. I have provided an hadith which proved that even your present Koran is the idea of Abu Bakr and Omar, and was compiled by uthman, the 3rd khalifa.

In your mosques and madrasas you were told that allahh handed over the Quran to Mohammed which you believed since your childhood days hence find it hard to believe that no allahh handed over any Quran to Mohammed. You need not believe me, but believe in your sahih bukhari, sahih Muslim and the sunnah of Abu dawood and Ibn majjah which all claimed that Quran is the work of the 1st to the 3rd khalifa.

See what Aisha herself said about your Koran, which you all claimed God personally sent down to Mohammed. Sunnah Ibn majjah hadith number 1944:

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed 1 , and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Lookup the above hadith, even allahh cannot protect your Koran from an ordinary goat and what the you guys are telling is that 'THE QURAN IS PERFECT'.

Perfect ko, prefect ni! Mtcheeeeewww. Oshi ati iranu.

lfleak:
the bolded! And u will teach me Islam? Nah no way..

I will teach you your religion if you open your mind. No shame in seeking knowledge from a strange source.